Greek Government Press Briefing, 01-01-16

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 16 Ianoyarioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Se ligh wra, meta thn oloklhrwsh twn syzhthsewn toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias me ton Proedro ths Gioygkoslabias k. Kostoynitsa poy episkeptetai thn Ellada, qa arxisoyn oi synomilies me ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo, sto Megaro Majimoy. Qa proboyn se dhlwseis. Antilambaneste oti qa syzhthqei olo to fasma twn qematwn poy apasxoloyn tis dyo xwres. Alla, pera apo ta dimerh, qa syzhthqoyn kai qemata eyryteroy endiaferontos gia thn perioxh twn Balkaniwn. H Ellada, apo thn prwth stigmh, exei deijei me th qesh ths oti h Gioygkoslabia qa prepei na epanelqei, na epanentaxqei sth megalh eyrwpaikh oikogeneia. Qa prepei na stamathsoyn oi periorismoi, aytoi poy yparxoyn shmera se kapoio baqmo, prokeimenoy na mporesei h Gioygkoslabia, jepernwntas thn krish na symbalei sthn oikodomhsh ths neas Eyrwphs, afoy kai h idia ginei apodekth se ayth thn oikogeneia. Oi dimereis sxeseis Elladas-Gioygkoslabias einai para poly kales. Asfalws, h shmerinh episkech kai oi syzhthseis qa symbaloyn sto na diathrhqoyn oi sxeseis se ayto to poly kalo epipedo kai bebaiws oi hgetes twn dyo xwrwn kata th synanthsh toys qa diagracoyn thn poreia twn dyo kratwn pros to mellon.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

BITALHS: Me aformh tis prohgoymenes epishmanseis gia th Gioygkoslabia, qa hqela na sas rwthsw dyo pragmata: Ean h ellhnikh pleyra skeftetai na proteinei kapoio diko ths ekproswpo gia ton OASE kai deyteron, ean epishmws h gioygkoslabikh pleyra exei diamhnysei oti einai dyskolo na apodexqei kapoia ellhnikh protash poy fainotan na exei diamorfwqei gia to qema toy OASE...

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti prin episkefqoyn thn Ellada o k. Kostoynitsa kai o k. Sbilanobits, o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths Gioygkoslabias, eixan thlefwnikh epikoinwnia me ton Ellhna ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn, thn perasmenh Paraskeyh, enocei ths episkechs sthn Ellada twn hgetwn ths Gioygkoslabias. H qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs exei diamorfwqei kai einai h telikh, oson afora to zhthma ayto, na mhn proteinei Ellhna, prokeimenoy na analabei th qesh toy ekproswpoy toy OASE sto Beligradi. Sto plaisio toy eswterikoy koinotikoy syntonismoy yphrje epikoinwnia toy Ellhna ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, me toys synadelfoys toy ths Portogalias kai ths Italias. H qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs einai na protaqei Portogalos paragontas, prokeimenoy na analabei ayth th qesh. H Ellada, meta tis synennohseis poy eginan sto plaisio aytwn twn syzhthsewn, qa diekdikhsei allh qesh sthn E.E. Kriname oti einai pros to symferon ths xwras mas na proxwrhsei se ayth th qesh, na kanei ayth thn epilogh. Allwste, oi sxeseis Elladas-Gioygkoslabias, opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, einai se poly ychlo epipedo. Ara, o diaylos epikoinwnias akomh kai stis pio dyskoles stigmes htan anoiktos, poly perissotero twra h epikoinwnia ayth einai gonimh. Telikws, enw den exei teqei opoiodhpote qema -epanalambanw- apo thn pleyra ths gioygkoslabikhs hgesias, h ellhnikh kybernhsh ekane ayth thn epilogh me gnwmona to eqniko symferon kai me dedomeno oti oi dimereis sxeseis einai se para poly ychlo epipedo. Ara, oson afora tis dimereis sxeseis, mikrh qa htan h symbolh ean proxwroysame sthn epilogh enos paragonta apo thn Ellada gia mia tetoia qesh. Enw, h epilogh enos Ellhna paragonta se mia allh qesh sthn E.E., me thn yposthrijh kai allwn xwrwn ths E.E., yposthrijh h opoia ejasfalisthke sto plaisio aytoy toy eswterikoy koinotikoy syntonismoy, opws eipa prin, pisteyoyme oti einai poly pio wfelimh kai xrhsimh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, diaceydete oti eixate ypodeijei gia na paei ekei o k. Rontos kai oti arnhqhke o k. Kostoynitsa;

REPPAS: Eimai safhs se ayto ta opoio eipa kai to epanalambanw gia na mhn yparxei paranohsh: H ellhnikh kybernhsh pragmati ekane skeceis gia thn topoqethsh enos paragonta apo th xwra mas se ayth th qesh. H ellhnikh kybernhsh, thn teleytaia periodo, edw kai arketes hmeres, exei diatypwsei thn telikh qesh ths, ekane thn telikh epilogh ths, meta apo synennohsh kai me alles koinotikes xwres, epikoinwnhse me synadelfoys toy o idios o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Papandreoy, na mh diekdikhsei h xwra mas ayth th qesh. Milaw gia diekdikhsh (as moy epitrapei h lejh ayth). Qa analabei paragontas apo th xwra mas mia allh qesh sthn E.E., me thn yposthrijh kai twn allwn xwrwn. Gia th qesh ayth h Ellada qa yposthrijei ton paragonta poy qa ypodeijei h Portogalia. Pisteyoyme oti ayth einai mia lysh poy antapokrinetai, toso sta symferonta ths xwras mas, enw den blaptei kai tis dimereis sxeseis, oso kai sthn anagkh h Ellada na diekdikhsei mia allh qesh sto plaisio ths E.E. se eyqeto xrono.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh o k. Rontos blaptei, opws fainetai, ta symferonta ths xwras mas, qa parameinei sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn;

REPPAS: O k. Rontos exei symbalei ta megista sthn prowqhsh ths politikhs ths xwras mas, toso sto plaisio ths gioygkoslabikhs krishs, oso kai sthn eyryterh prospaqeia, sto plaisio dhladh ths eyryterhs politikhs gia thn anasygkrothsh twn Balkaniwn. Exei anagnwristei o rolos toy. Pisteyoyme oti h mexri twra paroysia toy sto pleyro toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn einai apolytws wfelimh kai gia to ypoyrgeio kai gia thn kybernhsh kai gia th xwra, kai bebaiws qa synexisei na askei ta kaqhkonta toy.

KARAKWSTAS: Mhpws mesolabhse kati kai allajame th stash mas; Hrqh h ellhnikh ypochfiothta jafnika, enw arxika den...

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, oydepote teqhke qema ellhnikhs ypochfiothtas. Ayto to opoio sthn pragmatikothta synebh, einai oti arxikws yphrjan skeceis, sxediasmoi kai ekdhlwsh proqeshs gia mia tetoia epilogh. Alla, bebaiws, den htan oi telikes apofaseis. Meta apo nees syzhthseis, sto plaisio toy YPEJ, apofasisthke pws h kalyterh epilogh einai ayth sthn opoia katelhje telika h ellhnikh kybernhsh, na yposthrijei ton ypochfio apo thn Portogalia.

KARAKWSTAS: Ayto akribws erwtw, k. Ypoyrge, ti mesolabhse, wste na metabaloyme...

REPPAS: Neoteres skeceis.

MPEKAS: Poia allh qesh qa diekdikhsei h Ellada;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti sto plaisio ths E.E. paramenoyn polles qeseis pros kalych. Toso h Portogalia, oso kai h Italia, exoyn dexqei pws h ellhnikh kybernhsh mporei na ypodeijei -kai qa yposthrijoyn oi xwres aytes- to diko ths paragonta gia na analabei mia tetoia shmantikh qesh sthn E.E.

MPEKAS: Poia einai...;

REPPAS: Den egine syzhthsh gia sygkekrimenh qesh. To qema ayto einai anoikto pros syzhthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mas eipan, dhladh, qa sas dwsoyme allh;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, den exoyn kapoia qesh oi xwres aytes, wste na mporoyn na miloyn me ayto ton tropo. Den exoyn kati na dwsoyn. Sas eipa oti, sto plaisio toy koinotikoy syntonismoy, ginontai aytes oi synennohseis. Panta ginontan kai pantote ginontai.

MPOTWNHS: Den topoqethqhke telika o k. Aggeloydhs. Ayto shmainei oti "perase" toy k. Flwridh;

REPPAS: Ayto shmainei oti o Prwqypoyrgos, se synennohsh me ton ypoyrgo Politismoy, katelhjan sto symperasma oti einai katallhlos gia na analabei ayth th qesh o k. Ejarxos. O ypoyrgos ekane diafores protaseis. O Prwqypoyrgos kai o ypoyrgos symfwnhsan kai analambanei kaqhkonta o neos G.G. Aqlhtismoy.

ARGYROS: Protiqetai h kybernhsh na ferei mia diatajh, h opoia na kaqorizei poios einai o basikos metoxos se ena MME kai me ti pososto kai an qa epitrepetai, katw apo ayto to pososto, na analambanei erga apo to Dhmosio;

REPPAS: Ayto to qema exei apotelesei antikeimeno syzhthshs se ena pedio poly megalhs shmasias gia th Dhmokratia mas, opws einai ayto ths leitoyrgias twn MME kai ths sxeshs twn idiokthtwn kai twn metoxwn toys me etairies poy analambanoyn erga, promhqeies gia logariasmo toy Dhmosioy h parexoyn alles yphresies sto Dhmosio.

Me to isxyon kaqestws, akomh kai mia metoxh na exei kapoios se ena MME, den einai dynato na exei estw kai mia metoxh se mia etairia h opoia analambanei, fer` eipein, dhmosia erga. Zoyme se mia aneptygmenh oikonomia me thn kefalaiagora ths na exei mia ekplhktikh anaptyjh ta teleytaia xronia. Para polles etairies einai eishgmenes sto Xrhmatisthrio. Den einai dynato na yparxei elegxos gia to an enas poliths, opoiosdhpote poliths, kai malista en agnoia toy -giati gnwrizete para polloi ependytes apeyqynontai stoys xrhmatistes poy empisteyontai na ependysoyn xrhmata toys- diaqetei estw kai mia metoxh enos MME poy einai sto Xrhmatisthrio kai taytoxronws, na exei estw kai mia metoxh toy se mia etairia poy analambanei dhmosia erga, h opoia epishs einai sto Xrhmatisthrio. Ayth h symptwsh twn dyo idiothtwn sto idio proswpo, dhladh, toy metoxoy enos MME kai toy metoxoy mias ergolhptikhs etairias, mporei na odhghsei se emplokh olo to systhma, en agnoia kai twn idiwn twn etairiwn, alla, syxna, kai aytoy akomh toy legomenoy metoxoy, giati metoxos eisai, akomh kai an exeis mia metoxh. Ara, loipon, einai ena qema to opoio h Eqnikh Antiproswpeia prepei na to ejetasei, sto plaisio ths syzhthshs gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos kai bebaiws ekei qa diatypwqoyn oi apoceis. Kai pisteyw oti h proseggish kai apofash ths Boylhs, qa einai tetoia, wste na diasfalisei ta agaqa ths Dhmokratias, na mhn noqeyetai to Politeyma. Apo thn allh, omws, na mh dhmioyrgei ypermetroys periorismoys, oi opoioi den synantwntai poyqena sthn Eyrwph, ston prohgmeno kosmo sth leitoyrgia twn epixeirhsewn, oi opoies prepei na anaptyssontai bebaiws sto plaisio toys ygioys antagwnismoy, xwris tetoioy eidoys problhmata.

ARGYROS: Mhpws etsi anoigoyme mia porta, giati eixame to problhma me ta aparadekta prostima, mhpws twra...

REPPAS: Se kamia xwra ths Eyrwphs, afoy qetete ayto to qema, den isxyoyn aytoi oi periorismoi. Den antilambanomai giati h Ellada na einai mia xwra deyterhs kathgorias, se sxesh me tis alles eyrwpaikes xwres, mia xwra h opoia emmesws na omologei oti den mporei na dienerghsei antikeimenikoys diagwnismoys, anoiktoys dieqneis diagwnismoys, opoy me bash sygkekrimenoys kai diafaneis oroys proserxontai kai pairnoyn meros se aytoys toys diagwnismoys diafores etairies -kai anadeiknyetai o pleiodoths h o meiodoths, analogws toy xarakthra toy diagwnismoy- kai prepei na pame se tetoioy eidoys periorismoys, oi opoioi pera apo ena orismeno shmeio, pisteyoyme oti oxi mono den bohqoyn thn epixeirhmatikh drasthriothta, alla antistrateyontai kai ayto to nohma kai to periexomeno ths Dhmokratias, afoy steroyn apo diaforoys polites th dynatothta na anaptyjoyn mia drasthriothta thn opoia dikaioyntai na exoyn. H Ellada den mporei na ejasfalisei ayth th diafaneia; Pws to epitygxanoyn oi alles xwres ths Eyrwphs; Kai skefteite oti yparxei ena praktiko problhma. Gia na anaferw ena paradeigma, kapoios dikos moy sympatriwths, o opoios zei se ena xwrio sthn Arkadia, exei ena mikro poso apo tis oikonomies toy, anaqetei se ena sympatriwth toy, ton empisto toy xrhmatisth, na ependysei ayto to poso sto Xrhmatisthrio. Kai o xrhmatisths, en agnoia bebaiws toy xwrikoy ej Arkadias poy den gnwrizei ta toy Xrhmatisthrioy, den gnwrizei kan poies etairies einai eishgmenes sto Xrhmatisthrio, toy topoqetei ta xrhmata ayta, agorazontas diafores metoxes. Kai mporei sth desmh twn metoxwn poy agorase o xrhmatisths, gia logariasmo toy sympatriwth kai filoy toy poy toy empisteyqhke ayto to xrhmatiko poso, na perilambanontai metoxes poy anhkoyn se ena MME kai se mia ergolhptikh etairia. Aytos o xwrikos ej Arkadias, einai metoxos enos MME kai metoxos mias ergolhptikhs etairias. Ayto odhgei se emplokh to systhma. H ergolhptikh etairia, loipon, den mporei na analabei dhmosio ergo, afoy exei enan tetoio metoxo. Poly perissotero...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den mporei na einai agroths kai na exei metoxes sta ergolhptika erga.

REPPAS: Giati; Einai synhqes fainomeno.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia na analabeis dhmosia erga, prepei na diaqeteis terastia etaireia.

REPPAS: Asteieyeste, profanws kai lypoymai poy to antimetwpizete etsi. Sas lew oti ayto to fainomeno, sthn epoxh poy oi etairies einai eishgmenes sto Xrhmatisthrio, einai diadedomeno. Mporei o opoiosdhpote na exei metoxes mias ergolhptikhs etaireias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gi` ayto syzhtame, twra;

REPPAS: Ma, to qetei o k. Argyros.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Allo syzhtame, twra.

REPPAS: O problhmatismos poy teqhke, loipon, gia na doyme poies einai oi logikes proseggiseis einai toytos: An qa prepei na prosdioristei h ennoia toy basikoy metoxoy o opoios odhgei se aytoy toy eidoys toys apokleismoys. Ayto to qema, omws, qa antimetwpistei sto plaisio ths anaqewrhshs toy Syntagmatos kai efoson epikrathsei h qesh peri basikoy metoxoy, qa akoloyqhsei bebaiws nomoqetiko plaisio, sto opoio qa prosdioristei to sygkekrimeno pososto. Ayto, omws, einai ena qema -epanalambanw- anoikto, gia na mhn yparxoyn paranohseis. Sas ejeqesa, omws, thn katastash pws akribws exei, giati prepei na miloyme th glwssa ths logikhs. Exoyme fqasei na paralogizomaste, otan anaferomaste se ayta ta qemata.

ARGYROS: H dikh sas protash gia poio pososto qa einai;

REPPAS: Den tiqetai qema, ayth thn wra, gia pososto. Prwta apo ola, qa prepei h idia h Boylh, sto plaisio ths anaqewrhshs, na katalhjei sthn telikh qesh ths. Den tiqetai twra qema posostoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gi` ayto qa milame twra; Mhn krybomaste pisw apo to daktylo mas. Jerete giati sas rwtw.

REPPAS: Milame, loipon, opws swsta lete ki eseis emmesws, giati ayto lete, gia toys basikoys metoxoys, aytoys poy ephreazoyn th leitoyrgia twn Meswn. Den miloyme gia ekeinon apo to Aigio, to sympatriwth sas, poy exei parei liges metoxes...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto einai, gi` ayto syzhtoyme...

REPPAS: Nai, alla to Syntagma kai o nomos, me th shmerinh diatypwsh toys, problepoyn apokleismoys kai gi` ayto to sympatriwth sas apo to Aigio poy exei ena poly mikro ariqmo metoxwn se ena MME kai taytoxronws ena poly mikro ariqmo metoxwn se mia ergolhptikh etairia. Aytos einai metoxos se ena MME kai se mia ergolhptikh etairia. O nomos h to Syntagma, kata th shmerinh diatypwsh, meta thn epejergasia toy dhladh sthn armodia epitroph, den problepei sygkekrimeno pososto. Den diaxwrizei to megalometoxo apo to mikrometoxo. Apo th stigmh poy eisai metoxos, eisai metoxos, eite exeis mia metoxh, eite exeis liges, eite polles metoxes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Balte ena pososto.

REPPAS: Ayto eqese o k. Argyros, ayto leme kai emeis. Symfwneite kai xairomai pragmatika poy to lete.

GKOGKAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an sxetizetai ayth h ejelijh poy afora ton k. Ronto me thn anabolh ths episkechs toy k. Poytin sthn Ellada.

REPPAS: Sas eipa poia einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs gia to sygkekrimeno qema kai poia einai h antidrash ths gioygkoslabikhs kybernhshs, h opoia den exei qesei kanena qema, opws den exei qesei tetoio qema kai opoiadhpote allh kybernhsh. Ara, den mporei na sysxetizetai to ena qema me to allo.

GKOGKAS: Eipate oti den yphrje epishmh ypochfiothta ths Elladas. Apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, omws, oxi monon eixe anakoinwqei h ypochfiothta toy k. Rontoy, alla eixe dhlwqei oti yposthrijh se ayth parexei kai h Rwsia. Telika, ti apo ta dyo isxyei;

REPPAS: Antilambaneste pws den mporoyme na syzhthsoyme dhmosiws ola osa syzhtoyn oi ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn h oi epikefalhs twn diaforwn kratwn stis metajy toys epikoinwnies. Kata ta alla, epanalambanw, oti yphrje sthn arxh h skech, na ypodeixqei enas Ellhnas paragontas, o k. Rontos, gi ayth th qesh. Neoteres, omws, skeceis poy ekane h ellhnikh kybernhsh thn odhghsan se ayth th nea epilogh.

GKOGKAS: Dhladh, to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn anakoinwnei skeceis;

REPPAS: Thn proqesh toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn anakoinwsan. Dhlwsan oti prokeitai na prowqhsoyn ena sygkekrimeno stelexos toy ypoyrgeioy gi ayth th qesh. Epikrathsan alles neoteres skeceis.

SOYRMELH: Teleytaiws, synelhfqh sth Gallia enas Oykranos podosfairisths me ellhniko diabathrio kai epishs xqes to brady arxise na ginetai ereyna gia enan Kolombiano poy kai aytos exei ellhnikh yphkoothta. Gia ton Oykrano h gallikh astynomia eipe oti to diabathrio einai plasto. Gia ton Kolombiano ereynatai to qema. Emeis, to diereynoyme kai apo alloy, alla rwtame ki esas mhpws eiste enhmerwmenos gia to qema.

REPPAS: Den mporw na jerw ti diabathrio ferei o termatofylakas ths gallikhs omadas.

SOYRMELH: Poies einai oi ereynes poy kanoyn oi ellhnikes arxes gi aytes tis ellhnopoihseis kai poy brisketai ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. An kapoios exei ena plasto diabathrio se mia jenh xwra kai to diabathrio ayto to plasto symbainei na einai ``ellhniko'' tis ereynes prepei na tis kanei h jenh xwra poy synelabe to sygkekrimeno plastografo h ton feronta plasto diabathrio. Fantazomai oi gallikes arxes na dieykrinisoyn, pws akribws exei ayth h ypoqesh me tis ereynes poy qa diejagoyn.

SOYRMELH: Qa hqela na mas peite an dexthkan kapoies aithseis synergasias oi ellhnikes arxes apo tis gallikes arxes gia to qema ayto.

REPPAS: Den mporw na mpw se leptomereies. Ayto afora tis armodies yphresies twn dyo kratwn. Nomizw oti einai logiko na perimenei kaneis oti oi gallikes arxes qa apeyqynqoyn stis ellhnikes yphresies, prokeimenoy na antlhsoyn plhrofories.

MAYRIDHS: Eipate oti o Prwqypoyrgos syzhta twra me ton k. Kostoynitsa. Qa hqela na mas peite ti syzhthse o Prwqypoyrgos, to prwi, me ton k. Dafermo;

REPPAS: O k. Dafermos ekane dhlwsh, meta th synanthsh toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo. H syzhthsh dihrkese peripoy mish wra. Ton enhmerwse gia ta problhmata poy antimetwpizei sth leitoyrgia ths ayth h anejarthth Arxh, prokeimenoy o Prwqypoyrgos na symbalei gia na jeperastoyn ta problhmata ayta. Oles oi anejarthtes arxes epeidh einai neopageis qesmoi sthn patrida mas antimetwpizoyn diafora problhmata, poy aforoyn thn ypodomh, th stelexwsh kai ton proypologismo toys. Tetoia qemata syzhthsan.

MAYRIDHS: Syzhthsan gia to qema twn taytothtwn;

REPPAS: Sas diabebaiw oti ayto den htan antikeimeno syzhthshs, giati ayta einai qemata politikhs ta opoia antimetwpizei h kybernhsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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