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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 1 Dekembrioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalo mhna.

Opws gnwrizete o Prwqypoyrgos symmetexei sth synodo Organwtikoy toy PASOK, opoy milhse kai h omilia toy einai sth diaqesh sas.

Stis 14.30, sto Megaro Majimoy, qa exei synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Giwrgo Papandreoy. Stis 6 to apogeyma qa synergastei me ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo kai ton k. Papantwnioy kai mia wra argotera qa dexqei ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Albanias k. Meta, o opoios brisketai sthn Ellada.

Sas anakoinwnw, epishs, oti th Deytera (4/12) episkeptetai th xwra mas o Proedros ths Boylgarias k. Stogianof, o opoios stis 12.30 qa synanthqei me ton Prwqypoyrgos, qa toy parateqei geyma, sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn toys. Oi dyo politikoi qa proboyn se dhlwseis.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxei kapoia epistolh paraithshs toy k. Papantwnioy;

REPPAS: To akoyw apo esas. Fantazomai oti kai o k. Papantwnioy apo esas qa to maqei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den qa to maqei apo emena. Yparxei dhmosieyma kai gi ayto rwtaw. Den to eidate; Apo mena perimenate;

REPPAS: Kyriolektika apo esas, giati proswpika eseis, alla kai oi synadelfoi sas anafereste se ayto. Kai den to kanete gia prwth fora. Kalo einai na apofeygete thn epanalhch aytwn twn poly tetrimmenwn epinohsewn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den moy apantate. Yparxei dhmosieyma poy anaferei oti exei steilei ston Prwqypoyrgo epistolh paraithshs.

REPPAS: O k. Papantwnioy qa to maqei apo tis efhmerides kai apo esas oti einai apostoleas tetoias epistolhs!

KALARITHS: O k. Papandreoy qa milhsei telika sto Synedrio poy ginetai gia thn Albania sto Kaboyri;

REPPAS: Sas eipa xqes oti o k. Papandreoy problepetai na milhsei shmera sthn hmerida poy diorganwnetai apo to THIN THANK me thn onomasia RAD CORPORATION kai me th syndromh toy Idrymatos Kokkalh poy leitoyrgei sto Xarbarnt. Sto Synedrio poy diorganwnetai gia tis albanikes pleiochfies h meiochfies @to Synedrio ayto exei titlo ``Oi Albanoi ws pleiochfies kai meiochfies''- den prokeitai na milhsei o k. Papandreoy.

KALARITHS: Einai ston katalogo twn omilhtwn.

REPPAS: Aplws, o k. Papandreoy, efoson to programma toy to epitrecei, qa pareyreqei sth dejiwsh poy qa doqei to apogeyma. Kai milw gia to programma toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, giati opws sas eipa to apogeyma o Albanos Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei ton k. Shmith kai sth synanthsh ayth qa einai parwn kai o k. Papandreoy.

KALARITHS: Gnwrizete an qa erqei o prwhn ekproswpos toy UCK, o k. Qatsi;

REPPAS: Gnwrizw oti sto Synedrio ayto, opws allwste sas eipa kai xqes, symmetexei o Slobakos ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, ws ekproswpos toy Genikoy Grammatea toy OHE gia ta Balkania. Symmetexoyn, epishs, ekproswpoi allwn kybernhsewn. Symmetexei o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn ths omospondiakhs kybernhshs ths Gioygkoslabias, o k. Slibobits. Symmetexoyn Serboi poy ekproswpoyn thn koinothta toys sto Kossyfopedio, Serboi toy Mayroboynioy. Symmetexei o k. Koysner kai einai piqano na labei meros o k. Roygkoba kai o k. Qatsi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Papandreoy ``kophke'' apo toys omilhtes meta to qorybo poy dhmioyrghqhke;

REPPAS: O k. Papandreoy, o,ti kai na kanoyn kapoioi, den ``kobetai'' me tipota, an krinoyme apo tis prwtoboylies poy analambanei kai thn poly ychlh dhmotikothta poy exei!

PAPADOPOYLOS: H aytoktonia toy Sfhnia, pera apo to synaisqhmatiko xarakthra, janafernei sthn epikairothta th diakinhsh kefalaiwn kai pros to Xrhmatisthrio kai sto stadio ths proeggrafhs kai se oles aytes tis nomismatikes, xrhmatisthriakes leitoyrgies kai qa hqela na moy peite, se politiko epipedo, pws antimetwpizei ayth thn katastash h kybernhsh. Mhpws exoyme kai alles aytoktonies me alloys paragontes mias tetoias ypoqeshs h kai allwn periptwsewn. Yparxei kosmos poy daneisthke polla lefta apo thn trapeza.

REPPAS: Einai ena teleiws diaforetiko zhthma. Pisteyw oti, me aformh ayto to tragiko gegonos, qigete ena genikotero, alla pantws diaforetiko zhthma. Gnwrizete pws, ayth thn wra, einai se ejelijh h ereyna, prokeimenoy na diapistwqoyn oi synqhkes katw apo tis opoies synebh ayto to gegonos. Pisteyw oti den epitrepetai na prokaloyme kai na synthroyme mia syzhthsh, ean den exoyme na prosqesoyme kati, me logo xrhsimo kai oysiastiko, prokeimenoy na fwtisoyme ayth thn tragwdia. Mexri na oloklhrwqei h ereyna kai na exoyme ypoch mas tis synqhkes gi` ayto to tragiko gegonos, kalo einai na eimaste pio metrhmenoi, pio sygkrathmenoi. Ayto to dromo epilegoyme emeis. Ola ta alla qemata, asfalws, pantote einai pros syzhthsh sthn hmerhsia diatajh gia th leitoyrgia toy Xrhmatisthrioy, ton tropo me ton opoio oi etairies antloyn kefalaia apo thn agora, mesw ependytwn. Einai qemata ta opoia pantote exoyn thn ajia kai th shmasia toys, alla syzhtoyntai me analogo tropo, sto plaisio kyklwn poy exoyn th sxetikh armodiothta. Den einai qema ayths ths aiqoysas kai pantws den einai qema toy parontos gia na syzhthqei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Safws den eimaste oyte astynomikoi, oyte oikonomikoi syntaktes. Egw qelw mia politikh apanthsh apo ayto to symptwma to opoio paroysiasthke kai to opoio dinei anaglyfa thn eikona diakinhshs kefalaiwn.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti an mpoyme se mia tetoia syzhthsh, tote eyqews mporei na ephreasoyme th leitoyrgia toy Xrhmatisthrioy sth mia h thn allh kateyqynsh. Einai kati poy prepei na apofygoyme.

PAPADOPOYLOS: O dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Elladas den to apefyge, xqes, kai ekane kai paraineseis, anakoinwse kai metra, edwse symboyles, k.t.l.

REPPAS: Ayth einai h armodiothta toy dioikhth ths Trapezas ths Elladas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Se oikonomiko epipedo. Egw sas rwtw se politiko.

REPPAS: Se politiko epipedo, epimenw oti gia to tragiko ayto gegonos qa prepei na oloklhrwqei h ereyna kai mexri tote, parakalw na eimaste sygkrathmenoi kai prosektikoi. Isodynamei me tymbwryxia -epanalambanw- to na prokaloyme kai na synthroyme mia syzhthsh me epikentro ayton ton tragiko prwtagwnisth. Kata ta alla, sto plaisio ths oikonomikhs politikhs, h kybernhsh exei parei prwtoboylies kai qa synexisei na pairnei, prokeimenoy na qwrakisei thn oikonomia, na diasfalisei thn anaptyjh ths xwras kai bebaiws na einai apolytws diaygeis oles oi synallages, eite entos toy Xrhmatisthrioy, eite se sxesh me ayto. Ayth einai h qesh ths kybernhshs kai se ayth paramenoyme. Den komizoyme glayka eis Aqhnas.

ALEJAKH: Proxqes to brady, ston "ANT1", o k. Pagkalos, anaferomenos sto Xrhmatisthrio, eipe metajy allwn oti "edw exoyn doqei para poly megala kefalaia, ta opoia den exoyn ependyqei mexri twra kai qa prepei na doyme kapoia stigmh ti ginetai me ta kefalaia ayta, ta opoia den jeroyme, oyte poy ependyqhkan, oyte poy briskontai". Genikws, edwse thn aisqhsh oti yparxei ena megalo zhthma apo ta kefalaia ayta toy Xrhmatisthrioy.

REPPAS: Eimai bebaios oti ayth th qesh den thn akoyte gia prwth fora ki eseis. Ara, den antilambanomai giati epanerxeste se ayto to qema. Profanws, epeidh diatypwse mia tetoia qesh o k. Pagkalos. Ayto einai poy exei gia sas endiaferon, giati exw apanthsei se sxetikh erwthsh palaiotera. Oson afora tis apoceis poy diatypwnontai gyrw apo ayta ta qemata, oles exoyn qesh se mia dhmosia syzhthsh, idiaiterws gia qemata poy prokaloyn ena genikotero endiaferon. Kai bebaiws, h kybernhsh ola ayta ta qemata ta exei antimetwpisei me analogo tropo. @Opoy xreiazetai -epanalambanw- na paroyme epiprosqetws metra kai prwtoboylies, qa tis analaboyme.

ALEJAKH: Sto limani yparxei poly bary klima, meta thn aytoktonia toy Sfhnia. Mhpws, o Prwqypoyrgos me ton ypoyrgo Emporikhs Naytilias skeftontai na paroyn kapoia metra, wste na allajei to klima;

REPPAS: H politikh mas sto xwro ths Emporikhs Naytilias exei ejaggelqei kai qa efarmostei, opws exei ejaggelqei. Eimaste topoqethmenoi ametakinhta yper ths apeleyqerwshs sthn aktoploia. Pisteyw oti einai mia politikh poy antapokrinetai sto symferon twn ergazomenwn se ayto ton tomea kai to symferon twn politwn poy dexontai tis yphresies poy prosferoyn oi etairies poy drasthriopoioyntai ston tomea ayto kai bebaiws antapokrinetai sto dhmosio symferon.

Me aformh, omws, thn erwthsh sas, sas enhmerwnw oti yparxei anakoinwsh poy ekdoqhke apo to ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias kai anaferetai sthn apwleia enos ergazomenoy sto neoteykto ploio "Knwsos Pallas", to opoio eprokeito na egkainiastei xqes. Prepei na sas pw oti to tragiko ayto symban elabe xwra thn periodo poy to sygkekrimeno ploio ekteloyse ena dokimastiko tajidi kai enw briskotan akoma ypo italikh shmaia. Apo tote -den mpainw twra se leptomereies, einai sth diaqesh sas, omws, ola ta stoixeia- exoyn ginei oles oi energeies pros tis politikes, astynomikes kai dikastikes yphresies ths Italias, alla kai ths Elladas. Exoyn anoixtei fakeloi, exoyn sxhmatistei dhladh dikografies, prokeimenoy na ereynhqei ayth h ypoqesh apo tis armodies yphresies. Den dikaiologeitai, loipon, ayth h kritikh poy diatypwnetai apo kapoioys peri dhqen prospaqeias na sygkalyfqei to gegonos h peri adiaforias gia thn tyxh aytoy toy anqrwpoy. Ta stoixeia, me hmeromhnies, ariqmoys kai onomata, einai sth diaqesh sas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: O xronos ths apwleias toy anqrwpoy aytoy einai eylogos gia thn enhmerwsh ths koinhs gnwmhs; Meta apo poses hmeres oi arxes enhmerwsan epishmws thn koinh gnwmh;

REPPAS: H koinh gnwmh den gnwrizw ean yphrxe logos na enhmerwqei. Den synhqizetai enw mia ereyna einai se ejelijh, h kratikh yphresia na ekdidei anakoinwsh. Ayto to opoio ginetai pantote einai na kinhtopoioyntai oi yphresies poy exoyn th sxetikh armodiothta. Oi yphresies, loipon, kinhtopoihqhkan apo thn prwth stigmh.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Pote to emaqe ayto to gegonos h ellhnikh kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Stis 11 Noembrioy me shma, to opoio perielambane th dhlwsh toy ploiarxoy kai enw -epanalambanw- to ploio briskotan akomh ypo italikh shmaia, egine gnwsto oti xaqhke o Gewrgios Kampoyrhs. Prepei na sas pw oti enhmerwqhkan h italikh astynomia, h topikh dikastikh arxh sthn Italia kai h armodia eisaggelikh arxh ston Peiraia. Epishs, prosklhqhkan sth Dieyqynsh Naytikhs Ergasias oi syggeneis toy oi opoioi enhmerwqhkan. Proshlqan sthn yphresia, kai malista synodeyomenoi apo oikogeneiako toys filo anwtato ajiwmatiko toy Polemikoy Naytikoy, eyxaristhsan gia thn enhmerwsh poy eixan kai gia th frontida twn yphresiwn, prokeimenoy na diapistwqoyn oi synqhkes ths apwleias toy Kampoyrh. H ereyna synexizetai. Ola ayta, loipon, exoyn ginei kai einai adikaiologhth h kathgoria poy diatypwnetai apo kapoioys oti yphrje adiaforia.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Thn kybernhsh poios qa thn ekproswphsei sthn khdeia toy Sfhnia;

REPPAS: Stis periptwseis aytes, gnwrizete oti kaqenas einai eleyqeros na symmetasxei. Den yparxei apofash ths kybernhshs gia ton orismo epishmoy ekproswpoy ths.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Sthn epwnymh kataggelia, h opoia egine gia to symban sto opoio anafereste, ginetai anafora gia tetrahmerh kaqysterhsh se o,ti afora thn enhmerwsh twn syggenwn toy, gia enhmerwsh h opoia den egine armodiws apo tis yphresies, oi opoies exoyn ayth thn armodiothta, alla apo anwnymo thlefwnhma, to opoio dexqhkan syggeneis mesa apo to ploio. En pash periptwsei, einai mia epwnymh kai epishmh kataggelia@

REPPAS: H kritikh ayth entopizetai stis eyqynes poy exei h etaireia, h opoia den enhmerwse toys syggeneis. Ayto einai to shmeio ths kritikhs. Kata ta alla, omws, dinetai h entypwsh oti oligwrhsan h adiaforhsan oi armodies yphresies, enw ayto den exei symbei. Kai o projenikos limenarxhs ekei kai oi yphresies toy ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias kai toy Limenikoy Swmatos edw, exoyn kanei apo thn prwth stigmh oles tis endedeigmenes energeies. Ayto prepei na einai safes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qelw na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh qa kleisei thn O.A.

REPPAS: Xqes, apanthsa kai pisteyw oti h apanthsh moy htan analytikh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxei synexeia, giati bghke o ypoyrgos kai eipe oti den yparxoyn lefta sta tameia ths O.A. Qa thn kleisei kai qa thn poylhsei meta;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti oydeis kai poly perissotero o armodios ypoyrgos, eqese pote tetoio qema. H O.A. qa synexisei na leitoyrgei. Oydeis qelei na apajiwsei thn O.A. poly perissotero otan epikeitai mia diagwnistikh diadikasia gia th metabibash toy elegxoy ths etaireias. Ayto to opoio, omws, einai monodromos -to exoyme pei kat epanalhch ayto- einai toyto: H etaireia qa prepei na pwlhqei, toylaxiston kata thn pleiochfia ths, me thn apodosh kai ths dioikhshs, toy elegxoy dhladh ths epixeirhshs sto idiwtiko kefalaio, giati ayto antapokrinetai sto symferon ths etaireias, thn epibiwsh kai thn anaptyjh ths se ena idiaiterws antagwnistiko periballon.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa pwlhqei me ``ptwxeysh''; Qa ptwxeysei kai qa pwlhqei;

REPPAS: Biazeste k. Stamatopoyle.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws qa ginei to ``jepoylhma'', lew;

REPPAS: H diadikasia qa ginei me apolyta diafanh tropo kai me timhma, to opoio antapokrinetai sthn ajia ths etaireias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Makari na ginei ayto.

REPPAS: Ma, prepei na bohqhsete ki eseis dhmioyrgwntas to katallhlo klima. Giati otan den oloklhrwnetai mia tetoia diarqrwtikh allagh -kai anaferomai sthn periptwsh ths EAB- etsi ki alliws kathgoreitai h kybernhsh. Otan oloklhrwnetai mia diarqrwtikh allagh, pali kathgoreitai apo kapoioys, monima antipoliteyomenoys, h kybernhsh kai to armodio ypoyrgeio, gia diaforoys logoys. Kaqe fora krinontai oloi ekeinoi oi paragontes, opws einai metajy twn allwn to timhma, kai efoson einai symferontes, tote oloklhrwnetai h diarqrwtikh allagh. Ayto qa ginei kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

KOYRTAKHS: Gnwrizete ean exei programmatistei tajidi toy yfypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Oikonomias k. Fwtiadh, sthn Ispania kai synanthsh toy me th basilissa Sofia;

REPPAS: Exete megalh fantasia!

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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