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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 29 Noembrioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YFYPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

THLEMAXO XYTHRH

Geia sas.

H apwleia kaqe anqrwpinhs zwhs einai ena qlibero gegonos, dramatiko otan prokeitai peri aytoktonias, opoios kai an einai o logos. Profanws, diereynwntai oi synqhkes katw apo tis opoies synebh to gegonos.

Qelw na eyxhqw xronia polla se dyo efhmerides poy giortazoyn shmera, h mia eji xronia kykloforias kai h allh ena xrono. Na ta ekatosthsoyn!

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: H kybernhsh exei ypoch ths kapoio kainoyrgio stoixeio se sxesh me to nayagio toy ``Samina'', poy na exei prokycei tis teleytaies hmeres;

XYTHRHS: Oxi. Yparxei h gnwsth diadikasia, opws jerete, sth Dikaiosynh.

GARGALAKOS: Yparxei h plhroforia oti dekades boyleytes toy PASOK poy diafwnoyn me tis diadikasies idiwtikopoihshs ths Olympiakhs, qa kataqesoyn erwthsh ston Prwqypoyrgo, an den thn exoyn kataqesei hdh. Exei kapoio sxolio h kybernhsh;

XYTHRHS: Den exei katateqei tetoia erwthsh. Einai, omws, sth diadikasia ths Boylhs, einai dikaiwma twn boyleytwn na erwtoyn kai twn ypoyrgwn na apantoyn.

GARGALAKOS: Yparxei to ejhs zhthma omws: H kybernhsh dexetai symboyles kai dieqnwn oikwn, alla kai anqrwpwn ths agoras na proxwrhsei pio grhgora tis diarqrwtikes allages. Ean, loipon, yparxei tetoia antidrash se kaqe prowqhsh, opoiasdhpote diarqrwtikhs allaghs, mesa apo thn idia thn koinoboyleytikh omada toy PASOK, tiqetai to politiko erwthma, an h kybernhsh qa mporesei na ylopoihsei to kybernhtiko ergo kai to programma ths.

XYTHRHS: Prwta ap` ola, to keimeno ths erwthshs, ean to diabasete, einai ena keimeno erwthshs kai tipota parapanw. Den pairnei qesh, rwta. Kai deyteron, h politikh ths kybernhshs sto qema ``Olympiakh'', einai gnwsth. Qa ginei apokratikopoihsh kai qa diasfalistoyn oi ergazomenoi sthn etaireia.

ALEJAKH: Den dhmioyrgei kapoio zhthma sthn kybernhsh epeidh einai perissoteroi apo 40 oi boyleytes poy ypografoyn ayth thn erwthsh; Den einai enas kai dyo, einai para polla atoma.

XYTHRHS: Einai mia diadikasia poy ginetai sth Boylh. Den dhmioyrgei kanena zhthma. Ean deite to keimeno @den jerw ti exete ypoch sas@

ALEJAKH: Den exoyme dei to keimeno.

XYTHRHS: Epomenws, qa elega na mhn yperballoyme.

MPOTWNHS: An akoysa kala, se kapoia synenteyjh sas, xqes, xarakthrisate ton tews ``sygxrono Elgin''. Mporeite na mas ejhghsete, ti ennoeite me ayto;

XYTHRHS: Asfalws, akoysate kala. Se mia synenteyjh moy, se radiofwniko staqmo, apokalesa, ontws, ton tews basilia ``sygxrono Elgin''. Kai ayto milwntas gia to gegonos ekeino -poy kalo einai na to qymomaste- poy syndeetai me th metafora enos oloklhroy qhsayroy apo to Tatoi sto ejwteriko. Sas qymizw: Dekapente ntalikes. Mia arxaiologikh syllogh, h opoia apoteleito apo 890 antikeimena proistorika, klasikhs, rwmaikhs kai byzantinhs epoxhs. Arxaiologikh syllogh me antikeimena poy breqhkan sthn Arxaia Dekeleia. Panw apo 1000 @1200 pinakes, xalkografies, liqografies kai pinakes megalwn Ellhnwn kallitexnwn. Spaqes kai alla keimhlia toy 1821, ta opoia kai ayta efygan apo thn Ellada. Megalh syllogh eikonwn toy 16oy , 17oy kai 18oy aiwna. Kai taytoxrona peripoy 18.000 palaia biblia, megalhs istorikhs ajias. Aytos einai o logos gia ton opoio apokalesa ton k. Glijmpoyrgk ``sygxrono Elgin''. Ta symperasmata einai dika sas kai toy ellhnikoy laoy.

MPOTWNHS: An ayta poy lete twra bghkan paranoma, tote giati epetraph na fygoyn apo thn Ellada; Giati, an efygan kalws, den yparxei problhma.

XYTHRHS: Dystyxws! Kai ayto epishs den to qymomaste. Kybernhsh tote htan h kybernhsh Mhtsotakh. Efygan ayta me th bohqeia ths kybernhshs Mhtsotakh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Tote, otan eginan ayta, otan empainan sta konteiner, den egine elegxos apo kratikoys ypallhloys, apo ypallhloys ths Arxaiologikhs Yphresias; Eginan tetoioi elegxoi; Exete ypoch sas;

XYTHRHS: Ayto einai akomh xeirotero, giati deixnei thn epishmothta me thn opoia ola ayta efygan sto ejwteriko.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epishma efygan kai me th sfragida toy kratoys@

XYTHRHS: Einai akomh xeirotera.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Orismenoys pinakes toys ebgalan kai toys afhsan sthn akrh@

XYTHRHS: Ayto einai se baros ths kybernhshs ths epoxhs ekeinhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sas lew oti merikoys pinakes toys ebalan sthn akrh gia argotera, na elegjoyn h na toys krathsoyn edw. Aytoi oi pinakes xaqhkan. Exete ypoch sas poy einai; Gnwrizete to gegonos; To praktiko poy ypegrafh thn epoxh ekeinh to exete ypoch sas; Giati gia na fygoyn ayta, yparxei ki ena praktiko, analytiko.

XYTHRHS: To praktiko anaferei thn posothta kai ta antikeimena poy sas anefera.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: An ayto qewreitai eqnikos qhsayros, exei to dikaiwma h kybernhsh na to diekdikhsei;

XYTHRHS: Thn epoxh ekeinh eixe ginei prosfygh, akribws gi` ayto to qema, alla akomh @apo thn epoxh ekeinh- agnoeitai h tyxh ths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo poion eixe ginei h prosfygh tote;

XYTHRHS: Apo ton k. Tsobola, poy htan tote boyleyths sto ellhniko Koinoboylio.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Na epanelqw sto qema twn 40 kai pleon boyleytwn kai na rwthsw to ejhs: Exei ginei gnwsto kai den einai plhrofories oti oi boyleytes antapokriqhkan sto kalesma twn syndikalistwn ths Olympiakhs kai kateqesan h kataqetoyn ayth thn erwthsh ston armodio ypoyrgo. Yparxei, loipon, enas xarakthras @epitrecte moy thn ekfrash- politikoy ``beto''. Ayto den problhmatizei thn kybernhsh, dedomenoy oti qa mporoysan kai dyo kai treis boyleytes na kataqesoyn thn erwthsh. O ariqmos einai 40 kai pleon. Den sas problhmatizei;

XYTHRHS: Sas parapempw se ayta poy sas eipa. Einai h diadikasia poy ginetai sth Boylh, me tis erwthseis, me tis ypografes twn boyleytwn. Einai mesa sta dikaiwmata poy exoyn oi boyleytes. Tipota perissotero kai tipota ligotero.

MOYRTZHS: Oi 40 jeroyn poso stoixise @ki eseis an gnwrizete- h Olympiakh ston Ellhna forologoymeno;

XYTHRHS: Ola ayta qa ta apanthsei sth Boylh, symfwna me th diadikasia, o kaq` ylhn armodios ypoyrgos. Qa milhsei ektenws, sthn apanthsh toy pros toys boyleytes.

MPOTWNHS: O k. Abramopoylos qa kanei komma, se ena mhna, se treis, se tesseris mhnes, pantws qa kanei. Ayto toylaxiston fainetai. Sas apasxolei to pososto poy qa xasei to kybernwn komma apo ena tetoio endexomeno; Pws qa to antimetwpisete;

XYTHRHS: Kat` arxhn, thn anakoinwsh toy kommatos fantazomai oti den qa thn kanete eseis, thn perimenoyme apo ton k. Abramopoylo@

MPOTWNHS: Pros Qeoy!

XYTHRHS: Qa sas elega oti parakoloyqhsa kai tis dhlwseis toy k. Abramopoyloy, kai th synenteyjh toy, kai th synenteyjh toy Arxhgoy ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs k. Karamanlh, o opoios kai dhlwse oti o k. Abramopoylos proerxetai apo th Nea Dhmokratia. Ayto einai mia alhqeia, bebaiws. To mono poy den eipe einai oti to fainomeno Abramopoyloy kai h dhmioyrgia kommatos, opws diafainetai, apo ton k. Abramopoylo ginetai akribws, epeidh yparxei krish hgesias sth Nea Dhmokratia. Kai ayto den fainetai mono apo tis kinhseis toy k. Abramopoyloy, fainetai epishs, ton teleytaio kairo, apo th grammh poy dinei sth Nea Dhmokratia, oxi o arxhgos ths, o k. Karamanlhs, alla o k. Mhtsotakhs. Ayto synebh kai sto qema ths legomenhs basilikhs perioysias. Taytisthke to komma ayto me tis apoceis toy k. Mhtsotakh. Ayto synebh kai se alles periptwseis, opws einai h syzhthsh gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos sth Boylh. H krish ayth, loipon, hgesias sth Nea Dhmokratia dinei to periqwrio na yparjei, endexomenws, ena allo komma apo ton k. Abramopoylo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den apanthsate sthn erwthsh. Sas rwthse to PASOK an to problhmatizei. Eseis apanthsate gia th N.D.

XYTHRHS: Sthn erwthsh apanthse o idios o Proedros ths N.D., o opoios dhlwse oti o k. Abramopoylos anhkei sth N.D. proerxetai apo th N.D. Epomenws, to problhma einai toy eyryteroy synthrhtikoy xwroy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Allo sas rwthse.

XYTHRHS: Den afora to PASOK. Afora ton eyrytero synthrhtiko xwro.

KWNSTANTHS: Sth proxqesinh synedriash, omws, toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy, melh toy, opws o k. Kaklamanhs, o k. Skandalidhs, o k. Benizelos, ferontai na dhlwsan oti afora kai to PASOK to endexomeno idryshs kommatos apo ton k. Abramopoylo. Ekfrazontai, dhladh, pleon foboi kai apo to diko sas xwro, oti qa exei dieisdytikothta kai se esas. Ti apantate se ayto;

XYTHRHS: Den jerw ti syzhthsan sto E.G. Den hmoyn parwn, oyte ta praktika exw dei.

KWNSTANTHS: Gi ayto eipa ``ferontai''.

XYTHRHS: Se kaqe periptwsh, h dhmioyrgia h h prosexhs dhmioyrgia h h endexomenh dhmioyrgia enos neoy kommatos apo to shmerino Dhmarxo Aqhnaiwn k. Abramopoylo, qa dwsei profanws labh se polles syzhthseis, apoceis kai topoqethseis. Epanalambanw oti afora kyriws ton eyrytero synthrhtiko xwro h yparjh aytoy toy kommatos kai den afora to PASOK kai th dhmokratikh paratajh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, legetai, omws, oti kykloforoyn polles plhrofories, symfwna me tis opoies syzhtoyn me ton k. Abramopoylo kai boyleytes toy PASOK.

XYTHRHS: Oloi syzhtoyme me ton k. Abramopoylo. Einai o Dhmarxos Aqhnaiwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Syzhtate ki eseis;

XYTHRHS: Ki egw syzhtw me ton k. Abramopoylo. Eimaste malista kai filoi. Prepei na sas pw oti hmastan gia prwth fora ypochfioi kai oi dyo to 1993 kai gnwristhkame se ekeinh thn proeklogikh periodo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti syzhtate dhladh;

XYTHRHS: O,ti syzhtw kai mazi sas.

ALEJAKH: Exoyme toys saranta kai pleon boyleytes toy kybernwntos kommatos poy kataqetoyn ayth thn erwthsh. Xqes, to brady, eixame treis boyleytes poy den chfisan to arqro 30, gia ta texnika paixnidia, sto forologiko nomosxedio. Epishs, exoyme olh thn eikona poy exei dhmioyrghqei me to qema toy k. Papantwnioy. Olh ayth h eikona synolika problhmatizei ton Prwqypoyrgo; Mhpws symbainei kati me thn kybernhsh;

XYTHRHS: Qelw na sas pw oti me ayta poy anaferate, moy perigracate pws leitoyrgei h Dhmokratia kai to Koinoboylio. Kai ayto einai swsto na ginetai etsi opws ginetai. Kai deyteron, mias kai anafereste ston k. Papantwnioy, prepei na sas pw, gia o,ti grafetai, pws den yparxei qema me ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Oikonomias. Kai ayto qelw na einai kathgorhmatiko.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati eiste sthn anagkh na apanthsete gia ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Oikonomias; Symbainei kati;

XYTHRHS: Giati anefere ton ypoyrgo sthn erwthsh ths h ka Alejakh. Kai gia ola ayta ta opoia grafontai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, den kindyneyei apo ti; Ti den isxyei; Kai ayta ta pragmata giati grafontai; Qelei h kybernhsh na ton paei alloy;

XYTHRHS: Anaferomai se ayta ta opoia grafontai kai genikotera sto klima to opoio anefere h synadelfos sas. Kai lew oti den yparxei qema gia ton k. Papantwnioy, o opoios einai ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias gia polla xronia kai malista petyxhmenos. H kybernhsh exei thn oikonomikh ths politikh. Kai opws gnwrizete kai gnwrizoyme, kai sthn Ellada kai sto ejwteriko kai sthn Eyrwph kai stoys Dieqneis Organismoys, h oikonomia eixe qetikes epidoseis kai synexizei na exei tetoies epidoseis.

ALEJAKH: Den eystaqoyn, dhladh, ta dhmosieymata oti o Prwqypoyrgos zhthse ejhghseis apo ton k. Papantwnioy gia to Xrhmatisthrio kai gia thn poreia twn idiwtikopoihsewn;

XYTHRHS: O Prwqypoyrgos syzhta me toys ypoyrgoys toy gia ola ta qemata ths armodiothtas toys. Pisteyw oti ayto ekane kai me ton k. Papantwnioy.

MPEKAS: Poy prosefyge o k. Tsobolas gia to qhsayro toy Tatoioy;

XYTHRHS: Sthn ellhnikh dikaiosynh, sthn eisaggelia Aqhnas.

MPEKAS: H kybernhsh skeftetai na prosfygei pali gia to qhsayro;

XYTHRHS: H kybernhsh exei mprosta ths twra na antimetwpisei, se eji mhnes, opws gnwrizete, to qema ths eyloghs apozhmiwshs pros ton tews. Qa yparjei apo to Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio h telikh apofash gia to qema ayto. Ekeino poy hqela na dhlwsw -epeidh anakyklwnetai synexws to qema me diafora- einai oti kanena ``spitaki'', h ``spitakia'', den anhkoyn ston tews. Epishs, kanena kommati edafoys den anhkei ston tews. To qema einai -kai monon ayto- h eylogh apozhmiwsh poy orizetai apo to Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio. Kai ayta giati plhrwnoyme emeis thn aneparkeia twn kybernhsewn ths N.D. kai ths dejias, apo to 1974 ews shmera. Kai mporw na eimai kai pio sygkekrimenos ean qelete.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Pente xronia sxedon poy einai kybernhsh to PASOK, giati den ecaje na brei ti ginetai h ti egine h prosfygh toy k. Tsobola; Gia ta xrhmata toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy prokeitai !

XYTHRHS: Fobamai oti ayta efygan nomimws, opws eipwqhke, me thn eyqynh ths tote kybernhshs, to opoio opws katalabainete thn epibarynei akomh perissotero.

MPEQANH: Eipate gia aneparkeia twn kybernhsewn ths N.D. Aytos o qhsayros, ola ayta ta xronia, briskotan ekei; Milame gia anektimhta kommatia. Eipate gia pinakes, gia erga, gia ena qhsayro. Briskotan sto Tatoi aytos o qhsayros;

XYTHRHS: Malista.

MPEQANH: Den yphrxe apo kanenan prosbash sto Tatoi; Anarwtiemai, giati den egine kati, na parei enan dhmosio xarakthra to idryma ayto;

XYTHRHS: Yphrxan ekei. Apo to nomo toy 1994 kai meta yphrje h apallotriwsh ths apokaloymenhs basilikhs perioysias. O nomos toy 1994 apallotriwnei th ``basilikh perioysia''. Ayth h apallotriwsh ginetai dekth apo to Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio. Ayto to opoio symplhrwnei to Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio einai gia thn eylogh apozhmiwsh. Den milaei gia kamia epistrofh perioysias. Merikoi kanoyn sygxysh se ayta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh milate gia aneparkeis kybernhseis, bazete kai thn kybernhsh sthn opoia meteixate ki eseis; Giati ekane kai h kybernhsh toy PASOK syzhthseis me ton ``kyrio''@

XYTHRHS: Eipa tis ``aneparkeis kybernhseis ths N.D.''.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Aytes oi kybernhseis toy PASOK poy ekanan syzhthsh me ton tews, htan eparkeis kai eixan erqei se symfwnia;

XYTHRHS: Bebaiws. Kai ayth h symfwnia, h prosymfwnia gia na eimaste akribeis, htan na epistrafei ston tews 1,5 stremma apo to Tatoi, poy shmaine enan platy diadromo perij twn tafwn. Ayto kai mono. Olh h allh perioysia perierxotan sto Dhmosio. Ayth thn prosymfwnia, den thn ypegrace, dystyxws, h kybernhsh Mhtsotakh, h opoia hrqe amesws meta tis politikes ejelijeis kai thn ptwsh ths kybernhshs toy PASOK. Alla, toso o tews , oso kai o k. Mhtsotakhs, qewrhsan oti htan kalytero na ftiajoyn mia kainoyrgia symfwnia, epwfelesterh gia ton enan kai gia ton allo kai proxwrhsan se mia kainoyrgia symfwnia, h opoia epikyrwqhke me to nomo toy 1992. Nomos o opoios akoloyqws kriqhke antisyntagmatikos. Kai den katalabainw to logo giati o nyn arxhgos ths N.D, o k. Karamanlhs, sthrizetai panw se ena nomo antisyntagmatiko. Kai se ayto kanei laqos. Den epitrepetai.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Eipate ``enas nomos epwfelesteros kai gia ton enan kai gia ton allo''. Ti ennoeite gia ton k. Mhtsotakh;

XYTHRHS: O k. Mhtsotakhs, bebaiws, den qewrhse profanws eparkh thn prosymfwnia poy eixe kanei h kybernhsh toy PASOK. Ekane mia allh symfwnia, sthn opoia pareixe ston tews poly perissotera, syn ta konteiners, ta opoia eipame.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Ayto einai epwfelestero gia ton tews Gia ton k. Mhtsotakh poy einai to ofelos;

XYTHRHS: Den jerw. Mporei o k. Mhtsotakhs na pisteye oti xrwstaei ston tews. Alla, ean xrwstaei o k. Mhtsotakhs, de shmainei oti xrwstaei o ellhnikos laos.

KARGOYDH: Epeidh, gia prwth fora apo epishmo bhma katametroyntai oi eqnikoi qhsayroi, oi opoioi eklaphsan apo thn Ellada@opws eseis eipate@

XYTHRHS: To ypenqymizw. Ayta exoyn grafei. Sas parapempw sta protera.

KARGOYDH: Moy kanei entypwsh, pws otan mia ellhnikh kybernhsh, toy k. Mhtsotakh en prokeimenw, einai synenoxh gi ayth thn kloph, h dikh sas kybernhsh ths katalogizei ``aplh aneparkeia''. Moy kanei entypwsh, eilikrina!

XYTHRHS: O ellhnikos laos, omws, ayth thn kybernhsh toy k. Mhtsotakh thn katadikase stis ekloges poy eginan amesws meta.

EYSTAQIOY: Giati h kybernhsh h to ellhniko dhmosio den plhrwnei ena khpoyro sto Tatoi kai ton plhrwnei o tews, me apotelesma na to epishmainei ayto;

XYTHRHS: Ayto to jerete eseis;

EYSTAQIOY: Nai, sth synenteyjh toy eipe oti plhrwnei ton khpoyro. Kai ayto to stoixeio qa to proskomisei kai sto Dikasthrio. Etsi eipe.

XYTHRHS: Na zhthsei apozhmiwsh kai gi ayta poy plhrwnei ston khpoyro.

Eyxaristw poly.

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