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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 21 Noembrioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Ayth thn wra o Prwqypoyrgos exei synergasia me toys ypoyrgoys Aleko Papadopoylo, Taso Giannitsh kai ton yfypoyrgo Dhmhtrh Qano gia qemata koinwnikhs politikhs, idiaiterws thn politikh ths kybernhshs enantia sth ftwxeia kai ton apokleismo. Meta th synergasia ayth o Prwqypoyrgos qa dexqei to neo ypoyrgo Politismoy Eyaggelo Benizelo.

Opws gnwrizete, xqes, synedriase stis Bryjelles to Symboylio Ypoyrgwn Gewrgias ths E.E., sto opoio symmeteixe kai o Ellhnas ypoyrgos Gewrgias Giwrgos Anwmeriths. To apogeyma qa ginei syskech sto Ypoyrgeio Gewrgias, sthn opoia qa paroyn meros oi ypoyrgoi G. Anwmeriths, N. Xristodoylakhs, oi yfypoyrgoi Fwths Xatzhmixalhs, Milena Apostolakh, Xristina Spyrakh kai h genikh grammateas Katanalwth Xristina Papanikolaoy. Sth syskech qa syzhthqei to sxetiko qema ypo to fws twn apofasewn poy elhfqhsan xqes stis Bryjelles. Meta th syskech, peripoy stis 18.30, qa akoloyqhsei synenteyjh Typoy.

Gnwrizete thn apofash poy elhfqh xqes sto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn Gewrgias. Pisteyoyme oti h E.E. qa prepei na deijei @ayto qa kanei h Ellada- idiaiterh prosoxh sthn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei. Qa ejetasoyme th dynatothta na analaboyme kai alles prwtoboylies, me stoxo pantote thn prostasia ths ygeias toy polith-katanalwth. Ta metra poy exoyn lhfqei sthn Ellada briskontai, mporei na pei kaneis, sthn prwth grammh se eyrwpaiko epipedo. H xwra mas qa ejantlhsei ola ta periqwria poy ths parexei h koinotikh nomoqesia, prokeimenoy, pera apo thn entatikopoihsh twn elegxwn, na prostateysei to katanalwtiko koino.

Me aformh th syzhthsh h th mh syzhthsh xqes sthn E.E. gia to keimeno ths etairikhs sxeshs E.E.-Toyrkias, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh paramenei sth qesh poy exei diatypwsei apo thn prwth stigmh. Den apotelei problhma gia mas h xronikh metaqesh ths syzhthshs, eite gia to Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn, poy qa synelqei stis 4 Dekembrioy, eite gia argotera, sto plaisio kapoias allhs koryfaias Diaskechs ths E.E.. Ayto poy mas endiaferei @kai eimaste ametakinhtoi apo th qesh ayth- einai oti to Kypriako kai oi ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis apoteloyn ek twn wn oyk aney stoixeia se ena tetoio keimeno etairikhs sxeshs E.E.-Toyrkias. Qa prepei se ayto to keimeno na apotypwnetai kai na anadeiknyetai to gramma kai to pneyma ths apofashs poy elhfqh prin apo ena peripoy xrono sto Elsinki. H apofash ayth antapokrinetai sto koino symferon twn xwrwn ths E.E. kai ths Toyrkias. Qewroyme oti oi opoies antidraseis ekdhlwnontai apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias deixnoyn oti kapoioi sthn Toyrkia den qeloyn thn proseggish ths sthn E.E.. Giati to keimeno ths etairikhs sxeshs poy prokeitai na apofasistei den mporei para na antapokrinetai sta symferonta toso twn xwrwn-melwn ths E.E., oso bebaiws kai ths Toyrkias.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Giati h Gallia ypekyce stis apeiles ths Toyrkias kai den proxwrhse se ayto to keimeno; Ti stoxoys ejyphretei h Gallia;

REPPAS: Den einai swsto na miloyme gia apeiles ths mias pleyras kai gia ypoxwrhsh ths allhs. H gallikh Proedria, opws allwste eixe to dikaiwma, proteine th xronikh metaqesh ths syzhthshs gia to qema ayto. Epanalambanw oti den egine epi ths oysias syzhthsh gia to keimeno ths etairikhs sxeshs E.E.-Toyrkias sth xqesinh synedriash. Emeis den exoyme kanena logo na arnhqoyme h syzhthsh ayth na ginei se ena epomeno stadio kai sygkekrimena stis 4 Dekembrioy. Exoyme diatypwsei th qesh mas kai paramenoyme se aythn. Ayto einai to shmantiko, to oysiastiko. Pisteyoyme oti h E.E. einai etoimh na epanalabei ayto poy me eyqynh apofasise sto Elsinki. Ena keimeno, dhladh, etairikhs sxeshs poy qa antapokrinetai sta symferonta ths Eyrwphs kai ths Toyrkias.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o Prwqypoyrgos menei, feygei; Ti ginetai, giati blepoyme kapoia dhmosieymata poy anaferontai se ayto. Ta eipe ayta ta pragmata; Kai an ta eipe, giati ta eipe; Ti fobatai;

REPPAS: Den antilambanomai se ti anafereste. O Prwqypoyrgos exei eklegei apo ton ellhniko lao kai exei analabei desmeyseis apenanti ston ellhniko lao gia na efarmosei sygkekrimenh politikh. H kybernhsh mas, me epikefalhs ton Kwsta Shmith, me orizonta tetraetias, qa ejantlhsei oles tis dynatothtes, kataballontas thn analogh prospaqeia, prokeimenoy na antapokriqei sthn empistosynh poy mas edeije, gia mia akomh fora, o ellhnikos laos. Kata ta alla, epeidh diapistwnw na yparxei kapoia syzhthsh, oson afora dhlwseis h qeseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, moy dinete thn eykairia na pw, me aformh thn erwthsh sas, oti ayth h synergasia, poy ginetai mia fora thn ebdomada, den synista politiko organo. Asxoleitai mono me texnika, organwtika qemata poy aforoyn thn yposthrijh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto programma toy. Me ayth thn ennoia, loipon, den qa mporoyse mia tetoia syzhthsh @opws exw pei kai alles fores- na ginei sto plaisio mias tetoias synergasias.

MIXAHL: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean gia thn kybernhsh h apofash antikatastashs toy k. Pagkaloy shmainei oti kleinei o kyklos ths anoxhs gia opoiesdhpote dhlwseis poy akoygontai apo to xwro ths kybernhshs kai toy kommatos gyrw apo thn politikh ths.

REPPAS: Ayta ta qemata ta exoyme syzhthsei polles fores. O Prwqypoyrgos einai ekeinos poy exei thn apokleistikh armodiothta na apofasizei gia to poia qa einai h synqesh ths kybernhshs, ths opoias einai Proedros. Ayth thn entolh thn exei apo ton ellhniko lao. H apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy afora mia sygkekrimenh energeia. An exete eseis ypoch sas energeies tis opoies mporoyme na ypoqesoyme h na syzhthsoyme twra, prodikazontas to mellon, qa moy dwsete th dynatothta na kanw ki egw analoges ektimhseis kai na sas apanthsw poies einai oi endexomenes antidraseis. Pisteyw, omws, oti ayto den einai qema syzhthshs twra. Exoyme mia sygkekrimenh energeia, thn opoia ekrine, ajiologhse o Prwqypoyrgos, o opoios kai elabe th sygkekrimenh apofash poy gnwrizete. Ayto einai to qema kai tipota allo.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ypoyrge, to an h syzhthsh apo kapoies pleyres synexizetai einai gia ton ejhs aplo logo: Giati o k. Pagkalos, eipe osa eipe, ta ajiologhse o Prwqypoyrgos opws mas eipate kai elabe tis apofaseis toy. Omws, ayth h stash fainetai na einai merolhptikh. Alla stelexh eipan paremferh pragmata kai den yphrjan oi analoges antidraseis apo thn pleyra toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

REPPAS: Se aythn akribws thn erwthsh apanthsa xqes.

MIXAHL: Ma, den kleinei h syzhthsh@

REPPAS: Den sas empodizei kaneis na kanete ta sxolia poy qelete sto Meso poy ergazeste kai na anaferete ola ayta poy kai shmera anaferate. Asfalws, den kleinei ayth h syzhthsh. Poios mporei na sas epibalei na stamathsete na milate gia ena qema poy eseis qewreite oti endiaferei thn koinh gnwmh kai poy eseis to anadeiknyete kai kala kanete apo th dikh sas pleyra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes mas eipate oti o k. Pagkalos, ws melos ths kybernhshs, symmeteixe stis apofaseis olwn twn organwn. O k. Pagkalos, omws, dhlwse xqes, paradidontas to ypoyrgeio, oti pote o Prwqypoyrgos h o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn den ton rwthsan h den phre meros se kapoia syskech gia thn ejwterikh politikh.

REPPAS: O k. Pagkalos htan kai einai melos toy E.G. toy PASOK. Symmeteixe stis synedriaseis toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy kai gnwrizete, epishs, oti eixe episkefqei kai ton k. Papandreoy, ws boyleyths, palaiotera kai syzhthsan qemata ejwterikhs politikhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den ton ediwje ws boyleyth, ws ypoyrgo ton ediwje o k. Shmiths. Ws ypoyrgos meteixe sta organa ayta poy epairnan tis apofaseis gia thn ejwterikh politikh; O idios leei oti "den meteixa".

REPPAS: Oi synedriaseis toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy ginontai me th symmetoxh twn melwn toy, opws kai oi synedriaseis toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy ginontai me th symmetoxh twn melwn toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes, egine mia protash apo ton k. Karamanlh na ginei syzhthsh sth Boylh gia to Kypriako. Ti apanta h kybernhsh;

REPPAS: O k. Karamanlhs exei steilei sxetikh epistolh ston Prwqypoyrgo. O Prwqypoyrgos, opws prepei allwste, qa apanthsei me dikh toy epistolh ston arxhgo ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs. Ayth thn wra, den epitrepetai na prokatalaboyme th qesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, opws qa apotypwnetai sto periexomeno ths apanthtikhs epistolhs toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw rwthsa an dexetai;

REPPAS: Einai toso dyskolo na katalabete thn apanthsh poy edwsa;

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Eipate, prohgoymenws, anaferomenos stis fraseis toy k. Shmith, opws toylaxiston anaferontai se kapoia shmerina dhmosieymata, oti sto plaisio toy "prwinoy kafe" den qa mporoyse na ginei mia tetoia syzhthsh. Diaceydete, dhladh, oti o k. Shmiths eipe aytes tis fraseis stoys stenoys toy synergates kai sta melh poy phran meros, xqes se ayth th synergasia;

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin kai hmoyn safhs oti den egine tetoia syzhthsh.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia th xqesinh dhlwsh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy, se o,ti afora thn apomakrynsh toy k. Pagkaloy.

REPPAS: Einai dhlwsh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy. Exei thn oysia kai thn ajia ths. Den qa metatrapoyme se krites kai baqmologhtes twn dhlwsewn twn synadelfwn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Proqesh ths kybernhshs einai na lhfqoyn metra ektos E.E. gia to qema twn trelwn ageladwn;

REPPAS: Einai ena poly dyskolo problhma. Gnwrizete, allwste, oti metajy twn allwn, sto xqesino Symboylio Ypoyrgwn Gewrgias apofasisthke na klhqoyn ekeines oi xwres poy eixan monomerws labei kapoia metra, opws h Ispania, h Italia kai h Aystria, na anakalesoyn aytes tis apofaseis toys. Qa prepei na proxwrhsoyme me gnwmona thn prostasia toy polith-katanalwth. Na laboyme kapoia metra, peran twn oswn mexri twra exoyn lhfqei, pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Gia paradeigma, mporoyme na apagoreysoyme teleiws -kai ayto den apofasisthke xqes- thn eisagwgh ageladwn gia anaparagwgh. Na apagoreysoyme th xrhsh enterwn eisagwghs apo th Gallia sth xwra mas, kati poy exei, hdh apofasisei h Gallia gia logoys dikhs ths prostasias. Kai ayto den apofasisthke xqes. Mporoyme na to apofasisoyme gia th xwra mas. Yparxei, loipon, mia gkama metrwn, ta opoia mporei na lhfqoyn, xwris na erqoyme se antiparaqesh me toys kanones poy diepoyn th synergasia twn xwrwn ths E.E., sto plaisio leitoyrgias ths eyrwpaikhs agoras. Den prepei, omws, na agnooyme oti yparxei problhma kai prepei na prostateyoyme toys katanalwtes.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Epeidh tis teleytaies hmeres einai arnhtikes oi synedriaseis toy Xrhmatisthrioy, yparxei proqesh ths kybernhshs na parembei;

REPPAS: Kamia dynatothta parembashs den exei h kybernhsh. Den prepei na exei kai den prepei na epidiwkei na exei, giati kati tetoio qa katelye thn aytonomia ths leitoyrgias toy Xrhmatisthrioy. To Xrhmatisthrio einai enas qesmos poy exei toys dikoys toy kanones, basei twn opoiwn leitoyrgei. Prepei na sebastoyme ayth thn aytonomia toy. Mh me kaleite, loipon, na kanw dhlwseis, oi opoies -estw kai meta apo ermhneia toys- mporei na qewrhqei oti ephreazoyn th leitoyrgia toy.

PAPADOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh exei deijei endiaferon gia th grhgorh oloklhrwsh ths diadikasias gia to nayagio toy ``SAMINA''. Exei perasei polys kairos, alla akoma den exoyn bgei, to anakritiko grafeio h kapoioi ekproswpoi ths etaireias. Eiste ikanopoihmenoi apo thn poreia twn anakrisewn;

REPPAS: Pragmati, h ypoqesh ayth einai metajy ekeinwn, gia tis opoies prepei, to syntomotero dynato, oi ereynes na odhghqoyn se oloklhrwsh, xwris ayto bebaiws na apobei se baros ths oysiastikhs prospaqeias na anazhthsoyme kai na broyme thn alhqeia. Ayto to qlibero atyxhma, gnwrizete, oti exei orismena idiaitera xarakthristika, pragma to opoio dyskoleyei thn oloklhrwsh ths pragmatognwmosynhs. H anakrish diejagetai apo Efeth anakrith kai den mporei na parembei opoiosdhpote allos se ayto to ergo. Sas metaferw, omws, thn plhroforia, oti gia thn ypoqesh ayth, prepei na ginei pragmatognwmosynh, me epistameno tropo. Kai edw synantwntai diafora empodia, dyskolies. Ayto einai kati poy odhgei se mia sxetikh kaqysterhsh. Ean den yphrxe anagkh pragmatognwmosynhs ta pragmata qa eixan ejelixqei pio grhgora.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Nai, alla paroysiazetai mia anish metaxeirish apenanti stoys syntelestes@

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti den prepei h epitaxynsh twn diadikasiwn aponomhs dikaiosynhs na apobainei se baros ths oysiastikhs prospaqeias gia thn anazhthsh ths alhqeias. Xwris thn oloklhrwsh ths pragmatognwmosynhs den einai dynato na oloklhrwqei h anakrish. Etsi krinoyn aytoi poy asxoloyntai me to qema. Ayto prepei na to sebastoyme.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qa to sebastw kai qa to krathsw giati o xronos exei diarkeia !!!

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti ayto den ejartatai apo thn kybernhsh. Sas apantw ek meroys ths kybernhshs, alla ayto den ejartatai apo thn kybernhsh.

MOYRTZHS: O Prwqypoyrgos einai eyxaristhmenos apo thn politikh poy askei o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn kai to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn; Giati ayth h drasthriothta dhmosiwn sxesewn den exei bgalei poyqena. Oi Toyrkoi phran ta Strobilia, sthn Kypro kai eginan orismenoi bhmatismoi, opws p.x. diaforoi modistroi na paroysiazoyn ``ntefile'' sthn Kwnstantinoypolh h h leinti Antzela, na paroysiazetai se thleoptika kanalia ths Toyrkias.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti, apo th mia, h epikoinwnia Elladas-Toyrkias exei dieyrynqei se polloys tomeis: Se epipedo epixeirhmatiko, kallitexniko, politistiko h kai se epipedo epikoinwnias proswpwn. Ayto einai kati to opoio asfalws den apofasizetai apo thn kybernhsh. Deixnei, omws, ton tropo me ton opoio polites h foreis kai apo tis dyo xwres antilambanontai to mellon twn sxesewn Elladas-Toyrkias. Ayto den prepei na to agnooyme. Giati dhmioyrgei ena klima, to opoio, katw apo orismenoys oroys kai proypoqeseis, ajiopoioymeno mporei na odhghsei se qetika apotelesmata. Sth dhmioyrgia, dhladh, enos alloy klimatos sxesewn synolika metajy Elladas kai Toyrkias. Oson afora thn ejwterikh politikh ths xwras mas, asfalws, eixame shmantikes epityxies. H apofash ths Synodoy Koryfhs sto Elsinki, peripoy ena xrono prin, orioqetei th sxesh E.E. me thn Toyrkia kai pisteyw oti einai mia koryfaia apofash gia thn E.E., alla kai gia th xwra mas, giati periexei qeseis poy aforoyn eyqews ta eqnika symferonta kai ta kyriarxika dikaiwmata mas. O k. Giwrgos Papandreoy einai ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, synexizei na einai kai kata koinh anagnwrish askei ta kaqhkonta toy me apolyth epityxia. Ayto kai mono dinei apanthsh sto erwthma sas. H apanthsh einai mia: Oti o Prwqypoyrgos asfalws einai ikanopoihmenos. Xwris ayto na shmainei oti efhsyxazoyme kai oti qewroyme pws exoyme petyxei toys stoxoys mas kai den exoyme pleon logo na kataballoyme prospaqeia. Antiqetws, h prospaqeia mas ginetai pio entatikh. Oi synqhkes einai dyskoles se aythn thn perioxh. Sygkroyontai megala symferonta. Oi isorropies einai eyqraystes. H Ellada, ws xwra ths Notioanatolikhs Eyrwphs, me aytoys toys geitones, se ayth thn perioxh, qa prepei na kataballei pollaplasia prospaqeia sthn askhsh ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths, se sxesh me thn prospaqeia poy prepei na katabalei mia allh xwra poy brisketai se mia allh perioxh ths Eyrwphs. Se ayth th dyskolh perioxh, h Ellada, askei to rolo ths me tropo epoikodomhtiko, diasfalizontas ta symferonta ths.

MOYRTHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, epi toy shmeioy poy eipate oti o k. Pagkalos eixe episkefqei ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn. O k. Pagkalos opws anaferei sth synenteyjh toy eixe systhsei ston k. Papandreoy na zhthsei apo thn Toyrkia kata thn episkech toy sthn Agkyra tria qemata, dhladh, na epanaleitoyrghsei h Sxolh ths Xalkhs, thn aktoploikh syndesh Lhmnoy-Imbroy kai na doqei oikodomikh adeia gia anegersh ktirioy ths presbeias sto oikopedo@

REPPAS: Ayta ta qemata einai gnwsta kai apoteloyn antikeimeno endiaferontos stoys xeirismoys poy kanei to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, poly prin ta qesei o opoiosdhpote. Yphrxan ws qemata, ta opoia antimetwpise o k. Pagkalos, ws ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn.

MOYRTHS: O k. Pagkalos leei, epishs, oti o k. Papandreoy ta eqese kai aporrifqhkan apo thn Toyrkia. Isxyei ayto;

REPPAS: Parabiazete anoiktes portes. Ayta ta qemata den teqhkan tote gia prwth fora. Tetoia qemata apasxolhsan to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn apo thn epoxh poy htan ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn o k. Pagkalos kai apasxoloyn to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Einai gegonos oti h antidrash ths Toyrkias se ayta ta qemata den einai eynoikh, xwris ayto na shmainei oti h qesh ths Toyrkias den ajiologeitai, den krinetai, den kaythriazetai. Den mporei, omws, ayth h qesh ths Toyrkias na odhghsei se ``pagwma'' twn sxesewn kai ths prospaqeias poy kataballetai gia beltiwsh twn sxesewn twn dyo xwrwn.

KAPPOS: Synexeia sto idio qema. Efoson o k. Pagkalos den einai melos ths kybernhshs pia, exei apopemfqei, h kybernhsh exei thn proqesh na akoyei h na dexetai thn kritikh apo atoma me thn empeiria toy k. Pagkaloy;

REPPAS: H mexri twra dikh sas empeiria sas se poio symperasma odhgei;

KAPPOS: Rwtw.

REPPAS: Asfalws, h kybernhsh exei anqektikothta kai oxi mono gia na akoyei kritikh. Exw pei, kat` epanalhch, oti oxi mono qeloyme na syzhthsoyme, alla akomh kai na sygkriqoyme kai na sygkroystoyme me ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs sto pedio ths pragmatikhs politikhs. Kai otan syzhtoyme ta politika zhthmata ths xwras h ta problhmata poy apasxoloyn toys sympolites kai mesa sto Kinhma mas -kai gnwrizete prosfata organwsame dyo diaskeceis me periexomeno ta qemata Ergasias kai Ygeias, antistoixws- oles aytes oi apoceis diatypwnontai eleyqera, analytika, se diaforoys tonoys, me stoxo th synqesh toys poy pantote epitygxanetai. Ayth einai h ajia kai h dynamh ths leitoyrgias toy PASOK.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Pws qa antidrasei h Ellada sth nea askhsh poy kanei h Toyrkia sthn Kypro, me thn onomasia "Tayros", kata thn opoia, seira pollwn toyrkikwn polemikwn aeroplanwn, qa prosgeiwqoyn sto paranomo aerodromio Tympoy; Sthn oysia ola ayta ginontai paroysia ychlotatwn stratiwtikwn ajiwmatoyxwn ths Toyrkias, poy parabiazoyn ton enaerio kypriako xwro, paranomwntas;

REPPAS: H kypriakh Dhmokratia kai oi dynameis ths einai se epafh me tis armodies yphresies twn Enoplwn Dynamewn ths xwras mas, alla kai tis diplwmatikes yphresies. Eimaste se etoimothta na antimetwpisoyme kaqe proklhsh. Asfalws, h askhsh ayth, h opoia bebaiws den ginetai gia prwth fora, mporei na pei kaneis oti epibarynei thn atmosfaira kai malista se mia periodo, poy prokeitai na jekinhsei enas neos gyros synomiliwn gia to kypriako zhthma kai syzhteitai h etairikh sxesh E.E.-Toyrkias.

H proklhtikh stash ths Toyrkias einai ena arnhtiko shmeio gia tis diaqeseis ths apenanti kai sta dyo ayta qemata, ta opoia einai se ejelijh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia toys panhgyrismoys twn Toyrkwn gia thn apopomph toy k. Pagkaloy.

REPPAS: Exw pei kai allh fora -kai epanalambanw- oti den einai dynato na epiballei kaneis periorismoys -etsi to antilambanomai kai me to qesmiko rolo moy- se dhmosieymata. Oi efhmerides einai eleyqeres na grafoyn o,ti qeloyn. Apo ekei kai pera, qelete th qesh mas; O k. Pagkalos einai enas shmantikos paragontas ths politikhs zwhs ths xwras mas. Exei prosferei polla sthn patrida mas kai qa synexisei na prosferei polla sthn Ellada, dioti exei aytes tis dynatothtes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai kati akoma: Eipate prohgoymenws, gia to qema toy "Samina" oti qa prepei na proxwrhsoyn to syntomotero oi ereynes kai den mporei kanenas na parembei. Den exoyn ginei parembaseis kai apo ton k. Papoytsh kai apo esas stoys dikastes; Pws qa proxwrhsei h ereyna, otan ginontai parembaseis;

REPPAS: Den exei ginei kamia parembash sto ergo opoioydhpote dikasth@

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den sxoliazoyme edw@

REPPAS: Kanete terastio laqos. Kai apanthsame, kat` epanalhch, se sxetikes erwthseis. Oydepote aytoboylws anaferqhkame sto qema ayto. Anaferqhkame, apantwntas se erwthseis h dhlwseis poy ekanan paragontes ths antipoliteyshs, eite sth Boylh, eite sto plaisio allwn diadikasiwn, opws einai h kaqhmerinh syzhthsh edw. Oydeis parenebh sto ergo opoioydhpote dikastikoy leitoyrgoy. O eisaggeleas oloklhrwse to ergo poy qewrhse oti eprepe na kanei kai to ergo ayto to eqese ypoch twn kata to Syntagma kai to nomo armodiwn organwn. Ara, loipon, den yparxei opoiadhpote parembash. Kai lypoymai, giati ginetai prospaqeia apo thn pleyra ths antipoliteyshs@

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis den eipate oti poinikopoieitai h politikh zwh;

REPPAS: @na synthrhqei ayth h syzhthsh, xwris na yparxei antikrisma alhqeias. H qesh poy ekfrasame einai mia politikh qesh, h opoia exei genikh isxy. Apo ekei kai pera, einai aytonohth alhqeia. Kaqenas exei tis armodiothtes toy, kineitai entos sygkekrimenoy pedioy armodiothtwn. Oydeis mporei na parembainei stis armodiothtes enos alloy tomea.

Gnwrizete oti h dikastikh ejoysia einai aytonomh, einai anejarthth. Oi dikastes exoyn apo to Syntagma katoxyrwmenh thn proswpikh kai leitoyrgikh anejarthsia toys. Den tiqetai, loipon, opoiodhpote tetoio qema. Ola ta alla, ws kritikes h kataggelies, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti epanerxontai ws ek perissoy, alla sigoyra ek toy ponhroy. Kalo einai ayta na apofeygontai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai giati bghkan oi dikastes kai diamartyrhqhkan tote;

REPPAS: Den jerw an exoyn ginei onomastikes anafores. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite stoys syndikalistikoys foreis twn dikastwn poy milhsan. Giati den milhsan oloi oi syndikalistikoi foreis. Kai ayto den prepei na to parablepete. Yparxoyn foreis -kai malista, aytoi ekfrazoyn thn pleiochfia twn dikastikwn leitoyrgwn- poy den proebhsan se dhlwseis. Rwteiste aytoys poy milhsan na sas poyn se poioys anaferontai, giati egw den eida onomata.

Sas eyxaristw.

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