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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 22 Noembrioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Qa moy epitrecete na anaferqw eisagwgikws se dyo-tria qemata.

Prwta ap` ola, sas enhmerwnw oti o Prwqypoyrgos esteile ston Arxhgo ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs thn apanthtikh epistolh, me anafora sta qemata poy qigei sthn epistolh toy o k. Karamanlhs. H epistolh ayth qa doqei sth dhmosiothta shmera. Qa thn exete ki eseis sth diaqesh sas. Epishmainetai h anagkh na epideixqei ypeyqynothta kai na anadeixqei h diaqesh enothtas twn politikwn dynamewn ths xwras, afoy ta dyo qemata sta opoia kai o k. Karamanlhs anaferetai einai se ejelijh. H sygkyria einai krisimh. Oi diapragmateyseis gia to Kypriako prokeitai na jekinhsoyn ton epomeno Ianoyario. Oi diapragmateyseis, oson afora to teliko keimeno ths etairikhs sxeshs E.E. @ Toyrkias einai se ejelijh. Ayto poy exei shmasia einai, oi politikes dynameis ths xwras @kai ayth thn politikh qesh prokrinei h kybernhsh- me ypeyqyno kai epoikodomhtiko tropo na syzhtoyn ola ta qemata, xwris omws na afhnoyn to paramikro periqwrio se tritoys kai sthn Toyrkia, na ekmetalleyontai kai na ajiopoioyn tis opoies diaforetikes ektimhseis gia epimeroys tomeis yparxoyn, prokeimenoy etsi na blaptoyn ta eqnika mas symferonta. H prospaqeia poy kanei h ellhnikh kybernhsh pisteyoyme oti briskei antapokrish kai se ayto to klima kineitai kai h apanthsh poy dinei o Prwqypoyrgos. Allwste, o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn exei enhmerwsei kat` epanalhch thn Epitroph ths Boylhs kai einai sth diaqesh twn ekproswpwn twn kommatwn. Alla kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos einai sth diaqesh twn arxhgwn twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs, na synanthqei kai na syzhthsei mazi toys, me tropo ypeyqyno kai epoikodomhtiko, ta synafh qemata.

Oson afora thn ejelijh sto qema twn booeidwn, ths asqeneias poy exei prokycei, gnwrizete oti egine, xqes, ektetamenh anafora sta metra poy lambanei h ellhnikh kybernhsh apo ton armodio ypoyrgo, meta th syskech. H politikh ths kybernhshs entassetai sto plaisio twn metrwn poy apofasise h E.E.. Symplhrwnei kai ejeidikeyei ta metra ayta. Lambanoyme, me dikh mas prwtoboylia, epiprosqeta metra. Anaferomai se dyo: Sthn apo 1/1/2001 epektash toy elegxoy sta booeidh poy qewreitai oti anhkoyn sthn kathgoria ychloy kindynoy, poy exoyn hlikia anw twn 30 mhnwn, enw apo thn 1/7/2001 h epektash toy elegxoy aytoy qa einai plhrhs, qa afora, dhladh, to synolo twn booeidwn hlikias anw twn 30 mhnwn, prokeimenoy etsi apo ta prosferomena se ayth thn periptwsh mesa, ta test poy mporei na ginoyn, na eimaste sigoyroi oti oi polites-katanalwtes qa xrhsimopoioyn kreata ta opoia einai apolytws katallhla. To lew ayto, giati meta th syzhthsh poy egine sto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn Gewrgias sthn E.E., h Ellada einai metajy twn poly ligwn xwrwn ths E.E. poy asxoleitai toso entona me to qema ayto kai proxwra sth lhch newn metrwn, prokeimenoy etsi na diasfalisoyme apolytws thn ygeia twn katanalwtwn, na prostateysoyme toys polites.

Qa moy epitrecete, telos, na kanw mia anafora stis ejelijeis ths ellhnikhs oikonomias gia thn opoia eixame egkwmiastika sxolia kai ekqeseis, toso apo ton OOSA, palaiotera, oso kai apo to DNT, prosfata. Epishs, analogh qesh diatypwnei h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph. Menw @kai periorizomai se ayto- sta shmeia ekeina ths ekqeshs toy DNT poy metajy twn allwn anaferontai sthn eparkeia ths dhmosionomikhs politikhs poy akoloyqei h xwra mas, me apotelesma, meta apo dekaeties, o Proypologismos toy kratoys na einai pleonasmatikos. Epishs, einai shmantiko na tonistei to shmeio ekeino ths ekqeshs toy DNT poy anaferetai stis braxyproqesmes prooptikes ths ellhnikhs oikonomias gia tis opoies leei oti einai oi kalyteres edw kai polla xronia, giati h taxeia anaptyjh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias prepei na qewreitai dedomenh, efikth. Tonizetai oti me tis baseis poy, logw ths oikonomikhs politikhs thn opoia akoloyqhse h kybernhsh, exoyme qesei, oi stoxoi mporei na epiteyxqoyn apolytws, opws akribws aytoi perigrafontai ston Proypologismo poy exei katateqei kai prokeitai na syzhthqei.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: Qelete na sxoliasete ena zhthma poy teqhke mesa apo tis tajeis ths Neas Dhmokratias kai afora to endexomeno prowrwn eklogwn, me thn aitiologia oti h kybernhsh ayth adynatei na prowqhsei thn politikh ths;

REPPAS: H Nea Dhmokratia zhtaei ekloges; Fainetai pws ayto einai to programma ths N.D. Elpizw sto programma ths, h N.D. na mh symperilabei kai th qesh na allajoyme to lao! Gnwrizete oti h kybernhsh exei nwph th laikh entolh, tetraetoys isxyos. Qa ajiopoihsoyme ayth th xronikh periodo, opws kaname allwste mexri twra, prokeimenoy na odhghsoyme th xwra se peraiterw anaptyjh kai proodo. Pisteyw oti einai katanohth h prospaqeia ths N.D. na apoprosanatolisei thn koinh gnwmh, giati oso perna o kairos toso perissotero qa apokalyptetai oti den diaqetei programma kai qeseis gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn poy apasxoloyn th xwra. Kata ta alla, apeyqynomenos sta stelexh ths N.D. qa toys elega na koyrastoyn, prospaqwntas na katartisoyn epiteloys ena programma gia ta qemata poy apasxoloyn th xwra kai as mhn koyrazontai, perimenontas na koyrastoyme emeis kai o ellhnikos laos apo th diakybernhsh toy topoy!

PAPAHLIOPOYLOS: Pote qa katateqei to nomosxedio gia to ergasiako kai an qa teqei apo ton Prwqypoyrgo qema kommatikhs peiqarxias;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei kai sta dyo skelh ths erwthshs sas, kat` epanalhch. Einai qema ligoy xronoy h kataqesh toy nomosxedioy sth Boylh. H kybernhsh epiqymei thn prowqhsh toy nomosxedioy, th syzhthsh kai chfish toy, to syntomotero dynato. Oson afora to allo qema poy qesate, epanalambanw oti den mas exei apasxolhsei opoiodhpote sxetiko zhthma. Oi boyleytes einai aytoi poy analambanoyn thn eyqynh ths chfoy toys. Apo ekei kai pera, otan erqei h wra ths syzhthshs toy sxetikoy nomosxedioy, qa gnwrizete poia qa einai h telikh qesh mas.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h Ellada dexthke to symbibasmo poy epiteyxqhke metajy twn ``15'' gyrw apo to keimeno ths etairikhs sxeshs, sto opoio symperilambanontai anafores sto Kypriako kai stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis, ws proypoqeseis kai ws zhthmata poy prepei h Toyrkia na antapokriqei sthn poreia pros thn entajh ths. H qesh ayth einai gia thn Ellada, gia thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, adiapragmateyth;

REPPAS: Exw tonisei, kat` epanalhch, apantwntas se sxetikes erwthseis oti einai ek twn wn oyk aney stoixeia toy keimenoy ths etairikhs sxeshs, h anafora sto Kypriako kai tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis, etsi opws kai ta dyo qemata ayta dialambanontai sto keimeno poy apofasisthke sth Synodo Koryfhs toy Elsinki. Paramenoyme se ayth th qesh. Eimaste ametakinhtoi, to eipa kai xqes. Pisteyoyme oti h E.E. qa deijei thn idia ypeyqynothta poy edeije kai sto Elsinki otan apofasize to sxetiko keimeno, metaferontas twra sto keimeno ths etairikhs sxeshs to gramma kai to pneyma ths apofashs poy elhfqh sto Elsinki.

MIXAHL: Mexri stigmhs, den exoyme dei kapoia ypanaxwrhsh apo toys "15", para to gegonos oti anablhqhke h syzhthsh gia tis 4/12, den apokleietai, omws, na ekdhlwqei. Se tetoia endexomena, h kybernhsh qewrei oti einai gi` aythn qema kai askhshs beto tyxon periptwsh aithmatos allaghs twn dyo shmeiwn, poy kai twra pali mas eipate;

REPPAS: Epanalambanw oti paramenoyme ametakinhtoi sth qesh poy exoyme diatypwsei. Sta qemata taktikhs, den xreiazetai na milhsoyme me perissoteres leptomereies, ayth thn wra. Pantws, exoyme dhlwsei oti h xronikh metaqesh ths syzhthshs gia tis 4/12 h kai gia meta, einai qema poy den mas apasxolei. Den exoyme kamia antirrhsh gi` ayto. Oi qeseis poy exoyme diatypwsei exoyn ginei dektes, exoyn symperilhfqei sto keimeno, to opoio ayth thn wra yioqetei h E.E. kai einai qeseis stis opoies paramenoyme mexri teloys.

MPOTWNHS: Exete kapoio sxolio gia thn kinhsh poy qa kanei h N.D. mesa sthn ebdomada, na kanei aithsh gia th systash Diakommatikhs Epitrophs gia to porisma Ntogiakoy;

REPPAS: Idoy h Boylh, idoy h syzhthsh kai h antiparaqesh!

KAPPOS: Anaferqhkate, prohgoymenws, sta egkwmiastika sxolia twn Ekqesewn toy OOSA. Mia allh parametros aytwn twn Ekqesewn einai oysiastika mia ekqesh gia paratash ths ftwxeias. Qa hqela na mas peite, ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, poio einai to xronodiagramma lhjhs ths litothtas;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, den dexomai ton oro poy xrhsimopoieite. Giati, apo ta idia ta stoixeia, prokyptei ayjhsh toy eisodhmatos twn ergazomenwn, twn Ellhnwn politwn, pragma to opoio diaceydei ton isxyrismo sas. Kata ta alla, pragmati yparxoyn polles epishmanseis se ayth thn Ekqesh. Metajy twn allwn, epishmainetai h anagkh peraiterw fileleyqeropoihshs sthn agora ergasias. Ayto shmainei pws ta metra poy exei parei h kybernhsh, oi protaseis mas, opws aytes apotypwnontai sto sxetiko nomosxedio gia ta ergasiaka zhthmata, diasfalizoyn ta kekthmena twn Ellhnwn ergazomenwn, to eisodhma toys, to kaqestws ergasias toys, pragma to opoio qa prepei na ektimhqei apo toys ergazomenoys kai apo thn ellhnikh koinwnia sto synolo ths. Emeis, asfalws, oles aytes tis epishmanseis poy ginontai apo megaloys jenoys Organismoys, egkyroys kai eidikoys gia ta qemata ayta, tis ajiologoyme. Kata ta alla, omws, sxediazoyme kai efarmozoyme thn politikh mas me gnwmona to symferon ths xwras kai twn Ellhnwn ergazomenwn. Ayth h apodeijh periexetai sto nomosxedio, to opoio aytes tis hmeres syzhteitai.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ayta ta qetika poy ypogrammizontai sthn Ekqesh, qa ta ajiopoihsei twra h kybernhsh h sto mellon; Gia na ginw pio sygkekrimenos, leei p.x. gia apeleyqerwsh toy katwtatoy orioy twn misqwn kai gia meiwsh twn dapanwn. Problepontai ayta ta dyo stoixeia h qa ta melethsete twra kai qa ta efarmosete toy xronoy, sthn epomenh eisodhmatikh politikh;

REPPAS: Polla apo ta metra poy proteinontai, exoyn yioqetei. Proxwroyme se meiwsh twn dapanwn kai ayto fainetai apo to oti exoyme th dynatothta na paroysiasoyme enan Proypologismo, o opoios qa einai pleonasmatikos. Bebaiws, to synolo twn epishmansewn poy ginontai apo toys jenoys Organismoys, lambanetai ypoch. Apo ekei kai pera, analogws twn proteraiothtwn poy emeis qetoyme -oi proteraiothtes aytes exoyn kaqara politiko xarakthra- sxediazoyme kai efarmozoyme mia politikh, me gnwmona to symferon twn Ellhnwn ergazomenwn. Giati, prepei na epityxoyme thn oikonomikh anaptyjh me taxeis ryqmoys, alla taytoxrona na diasfalisoyme kai thn koinwnikh synoxh. Qa prepei na ayjhsoyme ta kondylia poy diatiqentai gia ependyseis. Gnwrizete oti ta posa poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas gia thn epomenh periodo, logw kai toy G' K.P.S., einai poly megala kai ayto apotelei ena poly qetiko paragonta. Apo thn allh, omws, qa prepei na sygkrathsoyme tis dapanes gia na mhn exoyme anazwpyrwsh toy plhqwrismoy. Ola ayta h kybernhsh ta staqmizei kai katalhgei se metra ta opoia, opws toylaxiston mexri twra exei apodeixqei, einai pros ofelos ths ellhnikhs oikonomias.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Epimenw, oxi gia na kanoyme ejeidikeymenh syzhthsh sta oikonomika, politika sas to qetw to qema. Giati o synadelfos, sas to eqese kai enoxlhqhkate apo ton oro "oti akoloyqeitai mia allh politikh litothtas". H Ekqesh leei na pagwsoyn, kata kapoio tropo, oi misqoi. Jeroyme, omws, oloi mas oti diaferoyn oi misqoi kata 70% apo toys antistoixoys misqoys sthn Eyrwph. Politika, loipon, h kybernhsh qa prowqhsei kapoio metro, enocei toy proypologismoy@

REPPAS: Apantwntas sto synadelfo sas prin, se sxetikh erwthsh, eipa oti o tropos me ton opoio xeirizomaste ayta ta qemata, einai kai h kalyterh diaceysh otan sthn Ellada kapoios na milaei gia litothta. Giati, an akoloyqoysame pragmati tis ypodeijeis aytwn twn Organismwn, poy zhtoyn peraiterw fileleyqeropoihsh sthn agora ergasias kai pagwma twn apodoxwn -pragma to opoio den yioqetoyme kai den einai h politikh poy akoloyqoyme ayth poy ypodeiknyoyn- tote, pragmati, qa mporoyse kapoios na mas krinei arnhtika. Emeis, gnwrizete, akoloyqoyme mia politikh, opoy, metajy twn allwn, pairnoyme ypoch mas thn anagkh na enisxysoyme opwsdhpote ta katwtera eisodhmata me ayjhseis poy einai sto orio h kai panw apo to epipedo toy plhqwrismoy. Ayto ginetai. Ara, loipon, ajiologoyme oles aytes tis protaseis. Alla, h politikh poy efarmozoyme, prosidiazei stis idiaiterothtes ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai einai symfwnh me ta symferonta twn Ellhnwn ergazomenwn. Ayth einai h epilogh poy kanoyme.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Pws antimetwpizei h kybernhsh thn piqanh episkech toy Papa sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: Exei apanthsei se sxetikh erwthsh o k. Aqanasakhs. O Papas einai eyprosdektos sthn Ellada, exei thn idiothta Arxhgoy kratoys. Den einai dynato h kybernhsh na qesei opoiodhpote qema, thrwntas arnhtikh stash se ena tetoio endexomeno.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Gnwsth h apanthsh toy k. Aqanasakh, alla yparxei plhroforia shmera oti to Megaro Majimoy problhmatizetai gi ayth thn episkech, gi ayto kai epanerxomai.

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti o Arxhgos enos jenoy kratoys einai eyprosdektos sthn Ellada, oti den qetoyme opoiodhpote qema. Asfalws, oi leptomereies gia to endexomeno mias tetoias episkechs qa prepei na syzhthqoyn apo tis armodies yphresies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia to qema twn prowrwn eklogwn eipate oti h kybernhsh exei prooptikh tetraetias," opws kaname mexri twra". Exete ejantlhsei pote thn tetraetia;

REPPAS: Eipa oti qa ajiopoihsoyme thn epomenh xronikh periodo, opws kaname mexri twra. Kai bebaiws eipa oti h entolh toy ellhnikoy laoy einai nwph kai einai entolh tetraetoys isxyos. Kai ta dyo antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta. Kai bebaiws, qa oloklhrwsoyme th qhteia mas. Oi epiloges poy kanoyme panta -epanalambanw- exoyn gnwmona to symferon ths xwras, thn prooptikh ths xwras. Gnwrizete poioi einai oi logoi ekeinoi oi opoioi ypagoreysan na proxwrhsoyme se ekloges mia orismenh xronikh stigmh, prin apo thn oloklhrwsh ths tetraetias, thn prohgoymenh periodo. Ayto, omws, to opoio epishs prepei na exete ypoch sas einai oti kaqe fora eimaste synepeis stoys stoxoys poy ejaggeilame kai qesame ws proteraiothtes mas kai sthn epiteyjh aytwn twn stoxwn. Gi ayto akribws, allwste, o ellhnikos laos mas empisteyqhke kai pali th diakybernhsh ths xwras.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Twra poy ginetai ``mpaxalo'' sthn kybernhsh, sto PASOK mesa, den yparxoyn logoi gia na ginoyn ekloges;

REPPAS: Eseis xrhsimopoieite aytes h alles paromoies lejeis, edw kai para polla xronia. Kai telika blepw @.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai egw dikaiwqhka kai eginan oi ekloges@

REPPAS: @oti ayto poy eseis lete oti xarakthrizei th qhteia ths kybernhshs, odhgei to PASOK sto na kerdisei tis ekloges. Fainetai oti ayto poy blepete eseis den to blepei h pleiochfia toy ellhnikoy laoy. @

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws den to blepete eseis mono;

REPPAS: @enw, h N.D., h opoia dia stomatos toy k. Liaph, den exei programma, den exei politikh, den eggizei to lao h odhgeitai se peraiterw aposynqesh -prosfato einai to arqro toy- menei monimws sthn antipoliteysh, odhgoymenh kata th dikh sas ektimhsh apo epityxia se epityxia! Exei mia epityxhmenh qhteia sto xwro ths antipoliteyshs!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia thn oikonomikh politikh poy eipate ``pros to symferon ths xwras, pros to symferon twn ergazomenwn'': Xqes, sthn epitroph toy PASOK eji-epta boyleytes antedrasan kai eipan oti den yparxei koinwnikh politikh. Ti exete na apanthsete;

REPPAS: Oi sygkekrimenoi boyleytes diatypwnoyn tis apoceis toys. Exoyn eklegei me th shmaia kai to programma toy PASOK. Sthrizoyn thn kybernhsh kai opws sto parelqon polloi diaceysqhkan perimenontas apo boyleytes toy PASOK na strafoyn enantion ths kybernhshs, thn opoia sthrizan kai sthrizoyn, to idio qa diaceysqoyn kai twra kai sto mellon. Kapoioi prepei na stamathsoyn na paizoyn to rolo ths Kassandras.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw lew gia toys boyleytes, ti apantate;

REPPAS: Stoys boyleytes toy kommatos mas qa apanthsw; Se esas apantw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Aytoi ta lene, den ta lew egw. Aytoi lene oti o Shmiths den exei koinwnikh politikh. Giati diamartyrontai;

REPPAS: Ayth einai dikh sas ekdoxh. Gia ton tropo me ton opoio ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys, afhste toys idioys na miloyn. Den exoyn orisei esas ekproswpo toys kai mh dinete, sas parakalw, ayth thn ermhneia, kanontas diermhneia twn oswn lene.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den kanw ermhneia. Aytoi ta lene@

REPPAS: Gnwrizoyn oi boyleytes, opws gnwrizei kai o ellhnikos laos, poia einai h politikh poy akoloyqei h kybernhsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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