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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 20 Noembrioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Qa sas enhmerwsw en taxei gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy tis epomenes hmeres.

Ayth thn wra o Prwqypoyrgos synergazetai me ton Ypoyrgo PEXWDE K. Laliwth, gia qemata armodiothtas toy.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, qa dexqei to Grammatea ths K.E. toy PASOK K. Skandalidh. Argotera, stis 12 to meshmeri, qa synergastei me toys ypoyrgoys Al. Papadopoylo kai T. Giannitsh kai ton yfypoyrgo D. Qano, gia qemata poy aforoyn to legomeno dixty koinwnikhs prostasias kai thn politikh kata ths ftwxeias kai toy apokleismoy. To brady, stis 20.15, qa pareyreqei se dejiwsh pros timhn twn Enoplwn Dynamewn ths xwras. Argotera, stis 21.00, qa pareyreqei sto proedriko Megaro, sto deipno poy paraqetei o Proedros ths Dhmokratias pros timhn toy Proedroy ths Armenias k. Kotsarian, poy episkeptetai thn Ellada.

Thn Tetarth, stis 10 to prwi, qa dexqei se synergasia ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy. :Argotera, stis 12 to meshmeri, qa exei synomilies me ton Proedro ths Armenias, ston opoio qa paraqesei kai geyma.

Thn Pempth, stis 10 to prwi, qa dexqei ton ekproswpo ths DOE k. Rongk, o opoios episkeptetai thn Ellada. Einai programmatismenh episkech, edw kai kairo, opws gnwrizete. Argotera, stis 10.30, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qema syzhthshs thn politikh toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs, se diaforoys tomeis. Anaferw xarakthristika ena qema poy exei prokalesei to genikotero endiaferon kai einai sxetiko me ta oikonomika twn kommatwn. Thn idia hmera, stis 6 to apogeyma, o Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrei, opws gnwrizete, gia to Zagkremp, opoy organwnetai h Diaskech ths E.E. kai kratwn twn Dytikwn Balkaniwn. H Diaskech qa ginei thn Paraskeyh.

Thn Paraskeyh to brady, sto plaisio toy gyroy twn eyrwpaikwn prwteyoyswn, qa episkefqei th xwra mas o proedreywn ths E.E., Gallos Proedros k. Sirak, ston opoio o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos qa paraqesei deipno.

To Sabbato, stis 7 to apogeyma, o Prwqypoyrgos qa pareyreqei sthn ekdhlwsh, sto Panepisthmio Aqhnwn, sthn opoia o Proedros ths Ellhnikhs Dhmokratias K. Stefanopoylos anagoreyetai se didaktora toy Panepisthmioy Aqhnwn.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: O k. Rongk monos toy qa erqei;

REPPAS: O k. Rongk qa einai epikefalhs antiproswpeias ths DOE, prokeimenoy na syzhthsei me toys armodioys ths xwras mas ta ths proetoimasias ths Elladas gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes toy 2004.

PAPPA: O k. Pagkalos, sthn teleth paradoshs, eipe oti den mporei na dexqei oti h synenteyjh toy dikaiologei paromoia apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai oti pantws o Prwqypoyrgos qa prepei na ejhghsei giati ton apepemce. Exete kapoio sxolio gi ayto;

REPPAS: H qesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai safhs. Sth dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy periexontai oi apanthseis se ola ta erwthmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ews twra mas legate oti o kaqe ypoyrgos ejefraze tis apoceis toy, kaqe kommatiko stelexos ejefraze tis apoceis toy. Exoyn pei xeirotera apo ayta poy eipe o k. Pagkalos kai den eixe kanenas apopemfqei apo ypoyrgos. Ti allaje kai o Prwqypoyrgos ton ediwje;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti oi ypoyrgoi, ws melh mias kybernhshs, exoyn ypoxrewsh na kinoyntai sto plaisio ths politikhs poy exei apofasistei sta kybernhtika organa. O Prwqypoyrgos einai ekeinos poy exei thn eyqynh sxhmatismoy ths kybernhshs, einai aytos poy einai armodios na krinei kai na epilegei, ana pasa stigmh, thn, kata th gnwmh toy, pio katallhlh synqesh ths kybernhshs. Ayto to dikaiwma askhse o Prwqypoyrgos. Epanalambanw oti h dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai periektikh kai dinei apanthseis se ola ta erwthmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos, nomizw, oti sth synenteyjh poy eixe dwsei, thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, eixe pei xeirotera pragmata. Eixe amfisbhthsei ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo. Den ton enoxlhse ayto;

REPPAS: Einai h dikh sas ermhneia. Epanalambanw oti o Prwqypoyrgos sth dhlwsh toy exei dwsei apanthseis sto diko sas erwthma kai se ola ta erwthmata poy htan dynato na gennhqoyn. Qa elega oti edwse ek prooimioy apanthseis se ola ta erwthmata.

GEROPOYLOS: Se allo qema. Kata kairoys epanerxontai ston jeno Typo senaria gia filojenia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn se allh xwra. Prosfata h efhmerida @Los Angeles Times@ ekfrazei anhsyxia gia ta qemata ths tromokratias se o,ti afora th diorganwsh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004 kai malista kanei protaseis gia th filojenia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn se alles poleis, nomizw sth Seoyl h sto Los Antzeles. Exete kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: Sthn apanthsh moy epikaloymai ayta poy eipe sthn prosfath Genikh Syneleysh twn Eqnikwn Olympiakwn Epitropwn o idios o Proedros ths DOE k. Samarank, o opoios, metajy twn allwn, anefere oti oi Olympiakoi Agwnes toy 2004 qa diejaxqoyn sthn Aqhna kai qa einai apo toys pio epityxhmenoys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Epityxhmenoi Olympiakoi Agwnes mporei na ginoyn, asfalws, efoson kai ston tomea ths asfaleias ejasfalisoyme oles tis proypoqeseis, wste na mhn prokycei to paramikro problhma. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h xwra mas exei ypogracei mnhmonia synergasias, sxetika prwtokolla, me 35 xwres kai me tis HPA, prosfata, gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn ston tomea ayto. H xwra mas synergazetai me alles xwres apo tis opoies exei ypodexqei symboyloys, eidikoys empeirognwmones epi twn qematwn aytwn, poy parexoyn th gnwsh poy exoyn, prokeimenoy na proetoimastoyme oso ginetai kalytera. Exoyme katartisei ena strathgiko sxedio gia ta qemata asfaleias, to opoio exei ypoblhqei kai sthn Epitroph toy 2004, alla kai sth DOE kai exei apospasei kolakeytika sxolia. To dhmosieyma ayto einai atyxes, giati kanei mia anepitrepth syndesh, metajy twn allwn, anamesa se ena tromokratiko ktyphma poy eplhje mia oikogeneia kai thn epikefalhs toy 2004, poy kata koinh omologia, me th sthrijh olwn, kataballei megalh prospaqeia, prokeimenoy h xwra mas na antepejelqei epajia se ayth th megalh proklhsh, th diorganwsh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004. Tetoioy eidoys dhmosieymata yphrjan sto parelqon kai isws epanalhfqoyn. Ayto sto opoio mporei kapoios na odhghqei, ws teliko symperasma, einai oti oxi h alhqeia, alla h skopimothta kai h ypokrisia einai to yliko poy xrhsimopoieitai gia tetoia dhmosieymata, poy bebaiws ta apodokimazoyme.

MIXAHL: Apo o,ti diabasame dyo einai oi basikoi logoi poy o k. Shmiths phre thn apofash apopomphs toy k. Pagkaloy: H diafwnia toy k. Pagkaloy me thn kataqesh toy nomosxedioy gia tis ergasiakes sxeseis kai h akoloyqoymenh ejwterikh politikh. Peripoy tis idies, omws, apoceis ejefrase kai o k. Benizelos, me pio prosektiko tropo. Synepws, den synista diafwnia kai h apoch toy k. Benizeloy;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai safhs. To lew ayto kai epimenw, giati o k. Pagkalos htan ypoyrgos poy symmeteixe stis diadikasies twn organwn opoy elhfqhsan oi sxetikes apofaseis. O k. Benizelos den eixe tis analoges desmeyseis. Htan boyleyths thn prohgoymenh periodo. Alla, epeidh prepei na melethsete oloi tis synenteyjeis poy, kata kairoys, exoyn dwsei kybernhtika kai kommatika stelexh, sas lew oti yparxei mia diafora metajy twn oswn exoyn eipwqei gia ta idia qemata apo kybernhtika h kommatika stelexh. Ayto ajiologhse o Prwqypoyrgos kai phre th sxetikh apofash.

MIXAHL: Na symperanw apo thn apanthsh sas pws, ean kai o k. Benizelos epanalabei thn idia topoqethsh toy, twra poy einai ypoyrgos, qa exei thn idia tyxh toy k. Pagkaloy;

REPPAS: Parablepete ayto poy eipa sto telos. Oti an melethsete to synolo twn synenteyjewn poy exoyn paraxwrhqei apo kybernhtika kai kommatika stelexh, qa entopisete tis diafores tis opoies kai o Prwqypoyrgos ajiologhse gia na labei thn apofash poy elabe.

MIXAHL: O k. Pagkalos eipe ayta poy eipe kai o k. Shmiths phre thn apofash poy phre. Ton enoxlhsan alles topoqethseis stelexwn toy PASOK; Dioti, egw metrhsa toylaxiston 42 sta kyriakatika fylla.

REPPAS: Exete ypoch sas th sygkekrimenh epilogh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Pisteyw oti h epilogh ayth dinei kai thn apanthsh sta erwthmata sas. Apo ekei kai pera, to fainomeno twn dhlwsewn h ths paraxwrhshs synenteyjhs apo paragontes ths dhmosias zwhs ths xwras, logw twn pollwn MME poy yparxoyn sth xwra mas, einai ena oxi apla synhqismeno, alla ena kaqhmerino fainomeno. Qa deite, loipon, oti, idiaiterws sta kyriakatika fylla, diatypwnontai polles apoceis gia diafora qemata apo paragontes olwn twn kommatwn h kai pollwn koinwnikwn forewn. Ayto einai stoixeio ths dhmokratias mas. Apo ekei kai pera, ekeinoi poy exoyn mia orismenh eyqynh kai armodiothta gia th leitoyrgia sygkekrimenoy organoy -kai sth dhmokratikh politeia mas h kybernhsh einai koryfaio organo- einai kai ypeyqynoi na pairnoyn sygkekrimenes apofaseis. Pisteyw oti o Prwqypoyrgos askhse ayto to dikaiwma.

MIXAHL: Ws Dhmhtrhs Reppas, melos ths kybernhshs, pisteyete oti o k. Shmiths den mporei na einai kai Prwqypoyrgos kai Proedros toy PASOK;

REPPAS: To qema ayto to exei antimetwpisei to PASOK, oxi mia, alla arketes fores kai exei dwsei apanthseis. Den gnwrizw ti einai ayto poy exei allajei. Alla, ola ayta ta qemata to PASOK, poy einai ena komma dhmokratiko kai leitoyrgei syllogika, mporei na ta antimetwpisei me ton kalytero tropo kai twra kai sto mellon. Kai qa ta antimetwpisei, bebaiws, pros ofelos toy ellhnikoy laoy kai gia to symferon ths xwras. Giati, aytos einai o gnwmonas twn epilogwn kai twn apofasewn kaqe kommatos. Ta kommata den yparxoyn gia ton eayto toys. Den einai aytoskopos h leitoyrgia enos kommatos. Einai to meson, einai to "ergaleio" gia thn proodo ths xwras.

FILHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean o k. Benizelos qa parameinei eishghths ths pleiochfias gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos.

REPPAS: Einai ena qema to opoio qa syzhthqei kai qa antimetwpistei tis epomenes hmeres. Gnwrizete oti den exei programmatistei akomh h enarjh twn syzhthsewn sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos. Einai mia apofash poy qa lhfqei tis epomenes hmeres. Giati, peran twn opoiwn typikwn logwn yparxoyn, antilambaneste pws mporei na prokycoyn kai praktika problhmata. Kai ayto, epeidh apo th mia, o k. Benizelos qa exei ena ypoyrgeio me shmantiko ogko doyleias kai apo thn allh, qa prepei na einai parwn kai sth Boylh, kata th diarkeia aytwn twn syzhthsewn. Pantws, einai kati poy den apokleietai.

FILHS: Pote qa katateqei to nomosxedio toy k. Giannitsh kai pote qa prowqhqei gia chfish sth Boylh;

REPPAS: O k. Giannitshs, sto plaisio twn dikwn toy armodiothtwn, exei oloklhrwsei th doyleia poy eprepe na kanei. To nomosxedio ayto einai sth diaqesh twn allwn synarmodiwn ypoyrgwn kai twn forewn ths Politeias poy meletoyn ta nomosxedia, opws einai h Kentrikh Nomoparaskeyastikh Epitroph. Ara, einai qema ligoy xronoy h prowqhsh toy nomosxedioy sth Boylh. H syzhthsh kai h chfish toy sth synexeia, qa synarthqei me to pws akribws ejelissontai oi ergasies ths Olomeleias ths Boylhs kai poia einai ta qemata poy prepei na antimetwpisei. Ayto, bebaiws, qa prosdioristei, meta apo synennohsh me ton Proedro toy Swmatos. Panta etsi ginetai.

FILHS: Dhladh, qa ginei meta ton Proypologismo;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti o stoxos ths kybernhshs -apo thn prwth stigmh to tonisame ayto- einai enas kai paramenoyme ametakinhtoi se ayto: Na prowqhqei, to syntomotero dynato, pros syzhthsh ayto to nomosxedio.

FILHS: Qa teqei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias gia ayto to nomosxedio;

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei pali se sxetikh erwthsh. Sas eipa oti den prepei na syzhtoyme me ypoqeseis, ayth thn wra, ena qema poy qa apasxolhsei th Boylh. Otan syzhthqei sth Boylh, qa gnwrizete poia qa einai kai h qesh ths kybernhshs, oxi mono epi ths oysias, alla kai epi twn diaforwn organwtikwn kai diadikastikwn zhthmatwn, ta opoia einai synafh.

FILHS: Thn prohgoymenh fora eixate pei oti den tiqetai tetoio qema. Twra to afhnete ligo anoikto.

REPPAS: Oxi. Paramenw sthn apanthsh poy edwsa thn prohgoymenh fora. An nomizete oti yparxei diafora, mhn protrexete. Sas parapempw se ekeinh thn apanthsh.

FILHS: H synenteyjh Pagkaloy den prodiagrafei mia analogh stash;

REPPAS: O k. Pagkalos einai stelexos prwths grammhs kai einai melos toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy toy PASOK.

FILHS: Pote problepetai h kybernhsh na prowqhsei sth Boylh tis ryqmiseis poy aforoyn thn allagh ths nomoqesias gia thn antimetwpish ths tromokratias;

REPPAS: Exei sygkrothqei, edw kai kairo, Epitroph apo eidikoys empeirognwmones kai ekproswpoys ypoyrgeiwn, prokeimenoy na melethsoyn to qema kai na diatypwsoyn thn telikh protash toys. Den to exoyn kanei akomh, alla pisteyw oti ayth thn periodo anamenetai na oloklhrwqei h ergasia ths Epitrophs. Anamenetai, loipon, h diatypwsh ths protashs ths gia ta qemata ayta.

FILHS: O k. Laliwths, xqes se synenteyjh toy, zhthse o Proedros ths Boylhs na kalesei enan ekdoth gia na epibebaiwsei tis apoceis poy exei enorkws kataqesei, gyrw apo tis dosolhcies toy me ton k. Mhtsotakh. Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean eseis ws Ypoyrgos Typoy, qa zhthsete peraiterw dieykriniseis apo ton en logw ekdoth.

REPPAS: O Proedros ths Boylhs einai aytos poy mporei na analabei opoiadhpote sxetikh prwtoboylia kai ston tomea ayto. Oi epiloges poy exei kanei, mexri twra, apodeiknyoyn oti endiaferetai, metajy twn prwtwn ekeinos, gia na yparjei plhrhs diafaneia sta qemata poy aforoyn tis sxeseis twn epixeirhmatikwn paragontwn h twn ekdotwn eidikotera, me to politiko systhma ths xwras. H prwtoboylia anhkei ston k. Kaklamanh.

FILHS: Giati oxi se esas;

REPPAS: Hmoyn safhs se ayto poy eipa.

FILHS: Eipate "den qelw", den eipate giati.

REPPAS: Exei diatypwqei, edw kai xronia, sygkekrimenh kataggelia. To na klhqei o k. Alafoyzos na epanalabei ayto to opoio exei pei, den einai arketo. Ayto poy, isws, prepei na ginei kai se ayth thn kateyqynsh, an qelei o Proedros ths Boylhs mporei na analabei prwtoboylia, einai na yparjei mia peraiterw diereynhsh gia to pws exei to qema stis leptomereies toy, pragma to opoio ekfeygei apo tis armodiothtes mas. Afora ton politiko kosmo sto synolo toy.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na jerw ean alhqeyei, k. Ypoyrge, oti h ERT qa periorisei toys radiofwnikoys staqmoys kai na mas plhroforhsete pws ejelissetai to qema ths xorhghshs twn adeiwn kai triton, ti metra qa labete eseis, ean asxoleiste kaqoloy me tis paralhceis kai tis kathgories enantion toy k. Mpatatoydh, sxetika me th drasthriothta toy ston ekdotiko xwro.

REPPAS: Oson afora to prwto qema, den tiqetai zhthma meiwshs toy ariqmoy twn radiofwnikwn programmatwn ths ERT. Ean anafereste sth syzhthsh poy proklhqhke prosfatws me aformh ta programmata sta braxea kymata, dhladh ta radiofwnika programmata gia toys Apodhmoys apo ton radiofwniko staqmo ths Qessalonikhs, qa sas pw oti htan aney logoy ayth h syzhthsh, doqentos oti den egine tipota allo para metafora toy pompoy ekpomphs shmatos toy sygkekrimenoy radiofwnikoy staqmoy, apo thn Peraia, se mia allh perioxh, sthn Aylida Qessalonikhs. Kai ayto egine, epeidh akribws xrhsimopoioyntai pleon pompoi megalyterhs entashs apo toys palaioys kai aytoi oi pompoi den mporoysan na einai sthn perioxh ths Peraias, poy htan egkatesthmenoi oi palaioi, giati qa dhmioyrgoysan paremboles stis leitoyrgies toy aerodromioy ths Qessalonikhs. To programma gia toys Apodhmoys synexizetai kanonika, opws mexri twra. Den allaje tipota ws pros ayto. Giati diatypwqhke mia apoch oti odhgoymaste se kleisimo toy radiofwnikoy staqmoy h se syrriknwsh toy programmatos gia toys Apodhmoys. Ayto den eystaqei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kai oxi mono gi` ayton, alla kai gia alloys@

REPPAS: Ayto den eystaqei. Den antimetwpizetai tetoio qema.

Oson afora th xorhghsh adeiwn se radiofwnikoys kai thleoptikoys staqmoys, eixa thn eykairia na milhsw me leptomereies stoys synadelfoys sas poy kalyptoyn to radiothleoptiko reportaz, thn prohgoymenh ebdomada. Exoyme desmeyqei oti sto telos aytoy toy mhna-arxes toy epomenoy, afoy oloklhrwqei -kai htan mia epiponh, prwtognwrh doyleia ayth poy ginetai sthn patrida mas- h meleth toy synoloy twn fakelwn poy exoyn katateqei apo toys endiaferomenoys na paroyn adeia gia leitoyrgia thleoptikoy staqmoy sth xwra mas epixeirhmaties, oi fakeloi aytoi qa prowqhqoyn sto ESR gia tis dikes toy energeies.

Oson afora toys radiofwnikoys staqmoys, prokeitai na synedriasei to ESR gia na ejetasei to sxetiko qema me tis adeies poy prepei na xorhghqoyn se radiofwnikoys staqmoys sto Nomo Attikhs. Ayrio synedriazei gia na oloklhrwsei thn apo meroys toy epejergasia kai na labei, isws, sxetikh apofash gia toys fakeloys poy aforoyn th xorhghsh adeiwn se radiofwnikoys staqmoys sto Nomo Qessalonikhs.

Oi prokhryjeis gia toys alloys Nomoys ths xwras -epeidh gia toys radiofwnikoys staqmoys oi adeies einai topikhs embeleias, oxi eqnikhs h perifereiakhs, opws symbainei me toys thleoptikoys staqmoys- qa prepei na exoyme xartes syxnothtwn apo to ypoyrgeio Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn. Me thn pyknothta poy erxontai, me to ryqmo poy katartizontai oi xartes, qa proboyme stis antistoixes prokhryjeis.

Oson afora to teleytaio qema sto opoio anaferqhkate, prepei na sas pw oti treis einai oi periptwseis poy antimetwpisame sto plaisio efarmoghs toy nomoy 2644/1998 gia thn paroxh syndromhtikwn radiothleoptikwn yphresiwn. Hdh, exei oloklhrwqei apolytws h diadikasia gia ton prwto endiaferomeno kai ekpempetai programma, sto plaisio ths gnwsths se esas, me to logotypo NOVA, platformas, opws onomazetai. Deyterh periptwsh poy antimetwpisame einai ayth ths etaireias INTERACTIVE, toy epixeirhmatia ston opoio anaferqhkate, opoy meta apo elegxo toy ESR, elegxo epi ths oysias toy fakeloy toy sygkekrimenoy epixeirhmatia kai th diatypwsh symfwnhs gnwmhs toy ESR, proxwrhsame sth xorhghsh ths sxetikhs adeias kai meta thn pareleysh peripoy eji mhnwn proxwrhsame sth synach ths symbashs paraxwrhshs, opws problepei o sxetikos nomos, me thn analhch ek meroys toy endiaferomenoy epixeirhmatia, olwn twn desmeysewn kai ypoxrewsewn poy problepei o nomos. Epeidh eida sxetika dhmosieymata poy anaferontai sto qema ayto, prepei na sas pw oti den antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia. Leptomereies mporei na einai sth diaqesh pantos endiaferomenoy.

Yparxei kai h trith periptwsh toy epixeirhmatikoy omiloy me to onoma ``ALFA CHFIAKH SYNqESIS'', toy opoioy exei ejetastei o fakelos apo to ESR. Exei diatypwsei th symfwnh gnwmh toy to ESR. Apomenei stis dikes mas yphresies na oloklhrwsoyn to ergo toys, prokeimenoy na xorhghsoyme thn adeia, opws problepetai se prwto stadio, kai en synexeia na proxwrhsoyme sth sxetikh synach ths symbashs paraxwrhshs, metajy toy Dhmosioy kai toy sygkekrimenoy idiwth epixeirhmatia. Etsi exoyn ta pragmata sto sygkekrimeno ayto tomea.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qa exete ypoch sas ayta poy diatypwse se synenteyjh toy o k. Mpakoyrhs. Me thn eykairia poy ayto to qema erxetai sth dhmosiothta, qa hqela na mas peite, ean h kybernhsh h h Epitroph 2004, exei dwsei apozhmiwsh ston k. Mpakoyrh kai ean exei lhfqei h telikh, h oristikh apofash gia th misqodosia twn stelexwn poy parexoyn tis yphresies toys sthn Epitroph 2004.

REPPAS: Ayta ta qemata ta antimetwpise h Epitroph 2004 se synergasia me thn hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Politismoy. Exoyn antimetwpistei ta qemata ayta. Kalo einai na koitajoyme mprosta, na proxwrhsoyme, mhn koitazoyme pros ta pisw. Dhlwseis h synenteyjeis paragontwn poy synebalan qetika me th dikh toys paroysia, kapoia stigmh, se ena posto, pisteyw oti einai xrhsimes se ena baqmo. Apo kei kai pera, den wfeloyn, giati ayto to opoio prepei na kanoyme, einai na enteinoyme thn prospaqeia mas, na synexisoyme thn proetoimasia ths xwras mas, wste na organwsoyme toys kata to dynato kalyteroys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Ayto exei shmasia gia mas. Na koitame mprosta, mh dinoyme maxh opisqofylakhs.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Th lejh ``dieyqethsh'' mporeite na moy thn ermhneysete; Lete ``dieyqethqhkan ta qemata''.

REPPAS: Antimetwpisthkan, eipa. Den eipa ``dieyqethqhkan''.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Oi misqoi oristikopoihqhkan; Doqhkan ta 400 ekatommyria;

REPPAS: Gnwrizw oti gia to qema ayto yphrje epikoinwnia kai ena eidos symbibasmoy, metajy toy ypoyrgeioy Politismoy kai toy sygkekrimenoy paragonta, prokeimenoy etsi na antimetwpistoyn oi oroi ths symbashs, poy eixe ypografei sthn arxh, otan epilexqhke o sygkekrimenos sympoliths mas gia th qesh ayth.

ANTYPAS: Otan paraithqhke h ka Laioy -exei diafora bebaia ayto apo thn apopomph- eixate pei oti qa synexisei na prosferei tis shmantikes yphresies ths apo th qesh ths boyleytoy Epikrateias. Qa hqela na mas peite ean isxyei to idio gia ton k. Pagkalo, ean mporeite na kanete thn idia dhlwsh .gia ena istoriko stelexos toy PASOK. Kai mia deyterh erwthsh, pote qa synedriasei to E.G. toy PASOK;

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa kai hmoyn safhs. O k. Pagkalos einai ena stelexos prwths grammhs kai melos toy E.G. To E.G. einai anwtato kommatiko organo. Exei eklegei apo thn K.E. sto E.G. o k. Pagkalos kai asfalws, pera apo thn idiothta toy boyleyth, ws melos toy E.G. toy PASOK, exei shmantiko rolo na diadramatisei.

KWSTANTHS: Kata th shmerinh teleth paradoshs kai paralabhs, o k. Pagkalos eipe oti ejefrase aytes tis apoceis gia ta ergasiaka, epeidh einai melos toy Syndikalistikoy Kinhmatos kai ws prwhn ypoyrgos twn Ejwterikwn, ola ta alla poy eipe gia ta eqnika qemata. Kai eipe epishs, oti pote den eklhqh na pei thn apoch toy, an kai exei xrhmatisei epi seira etwn ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, gia ta eqnika qemata. Qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: Epeidh ta idia pragmata ta eixe pei kai se mia thleoptikh synenteyjh toy, prin liges hmeres, giati epilexqhke h sygkekrimenh stigmh ths apopomphs toy kai den egine nwritera. Kai epiprosqetws, qa apotelei, pleon, prokrima gia ton Prwqypoyrgo, ean opoiosdhpote ypoyrgos ekfrazei kapoies diaforetikes apoceis, na apopempetai;

REPPAS: Se ola ayta exei apanthsei o Prwqypoyrgos me th dhlwsh toy.

PAPPA: Akoysa ola ayta poy apanthsate gia to nomosxedio gia ta ergasiaka. Qa hqela na rwthsw ean anhsyxei thn kybernhsh oti yparxoyn diaforopoihseis stelexwn kai allwn melwn toy E.G. kai ypoyrgwn, oson afora to ergasiako nomosxedio. Yparxei, loipon, kapoios problhmatismos, na to janadeite, na paei isws pisw, na synexistei o dialogos;

REPPAS: O problhmatismos ths kybernhshs monoshmanta anaferetai sthn yparjh problhmatwn sthn ellhnikh koinwnia, metajy twn opoiwn shmantiko einai ayto ths anergias. Ayto apasxolei thn kybernhsh. Mas anhsyxei otan oi apofaseis poy kata kairoys exoyn lhfqei, den odhgoyn se syrriknwsh toy posostoy anergias sth xwra mas. Qa prepei oloi na symballoyme, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme ayto to problhma kai na ejaleicoyme ayth th mastiga. Se ayth thn kateyqynsh kinoyntai oi epiloges ths kybernhshs. Me gnwmona ayto to stoxo kai mono, kanoyme tis epiloges mas. Eipame oti, mexri thn teleytaia stigmh, peran toy koinwnikoy dialogoy, eimaste etoimoi na dexqoyme opoiadhpote epoikodomhtikh protash kai na thn ajiopoihsoyme. Alla, qa prepei na kanoyme kati twra. Den mporoyme na anabaloyme gia argotera thn anagkh poy yparxei na drasoyme apotelesmatika shmera. Giati, oso kaqysteroyme, toso pio dyskolo qa einai na antimetwpisoyme ayrio ena problhma, to opoio, en tw metajy, qa exei perissotero diogkwqei. Ayto einai to nohma ths taktikhs poy akoloyqoyme kai sto sygkekrimeno tomea.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me ton k. Pagkalo symfwnhse apolyta o Proedros ths GSEE k. Polyzwgopoylos, o opoios einai kai melos ths K.E. Na perimenoyme oti qa diagrafei ki aytos;

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei se ola ayta ta qemata toses fores, poy kalo einai na mhn epanerxontai pros syzhthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto egine xqes. Me ayta poy eipe symfwnei apolyta me ta oso eipe o k. Pagkalos.

REPPAS: Einai aperioristo dikaiwma toy. Kai gnwrizete poly kala, oti o k. Polyzwgopoylos, kata kairoys, eite ws Proedros ths GSEE, eite ws stelexos toy PASOK, exei diatypwsei tis apoceis toy, oi opoies akoygontai pantote me megalh prosoxh.

FILHS: Isxyei pantote h dhlwsh toy k. Xristodoylakh poy ekane thn Paraskeyh, symfwna me thn opoia h Ellada den prokrinei thn epibolh monomerwn metrwn gia thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos twn "trelwn ageladwn".

REPPAS: Ayto, pragmati, einai ena megalo problhma. Mporei na pei kaneis oti o entopismos ayths ths nosoy se booeidh, exei dhmioyrghsei ena klima panikoy. Gnwrizete oti h Monimh Epitroph Kthniatrwn ths E.E., thn prohgoymenh Paraskeyh, den katelhje se mia sygkekrimenh qesh. Shmera, synedriazoyn oi ypoyrgoi Gewrgias twn xwrwn ths E.E.. Pisteyw oti qa katalhjoyn se ena plaisio sygkekrimenwn metrwn poy qa lhfqoyn apo oles tis xwres ths E.E. gia na antimetwpisoyme to problhma. Emeis exoyme entatikopoihsei toys elegxoys, exoyn lhfqei mexri twra metra gia thn prostasia toy polith, toy katanalwth. Giati, h prostasia toy polith einai to stoixeio poy kyriarxei sthn politikh mas. Gia na diasfalisoyme, loipon, th dhmosia ygeia, exoyme parei metra sto plaisio ths E.E. kai eimaste etoimoi na paroyme kai alla, efoson ayto einai aparaithto. Antilambaneste, omws, oti oi apofaseis poy prepei na paroyme ston tomea ayto, efoson den prokycei koinh politikh meta apo th shmerinh synedriash twn ypoyrgwn Gewrgias, einai ena qema poly dyskolo, toylaxiston oson afora toys xeirismoys. Giati, h epibolh kapoiwn perioristikwn metrwn enantion allwn xwrwn, mporei na odhghsei aytomata se ena faylo kyklo lhchs antimetrwn apo ekeines tis xwres se baros ths dikhs mas xwras.

FILHS: To exoyn kanei dyo, toylaxiston. H Ispania kai h Italia.

REPPAS: To gnwrizw. Einai xwres poy synoreyoyn kai antimetwpizoyn se ejairetiko baqmo to sxetiko problhma. Eimaste ki emeis etoimoi na paroyme ta sxetika metra, alla qa prepei na staqmisoyme oloys toys paragontes, prokeimenoy na petyxoyme to stoxo mas kai na mhn odhghqoyme se ena faylo kyklo.

FILHS: Ayta ta metra qa lhfqoyn apo kapoio kybernhtiko organo, thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph;

REPPAS: Qa lhfqoyn apo kybernhtiko organo, to armodio ypoyrgeio h thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, analogws...

FILHS: Poio einai to armodio ypoyrgeio;

REPPAS: Armodio einai to ypoyrgeio Gewrgias. O k. Xristodoylakhs, o opoios epopteyei toy eniaioy forea elegxoy trofimwn, ws ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs, exei thn eyqynh syntonismoy aytes tis hmeres, epeidh apoysiazei sthn Eyrwph o k. Anwmeriths. Aytes tis hmeres einai stis Bryjelles, opoy symmetexei se diafores diaboyleyseis poy ginontai sto plaisio ths E.E. Apo ekei kai pera, ola ayta qa ta antimetwpisoyme me kaqaro mati, afoy oloklhrwqei to Symboylio Ypoyrgwn Gewrgias poy ginetai shmera kai gnwrizoyme poy odhgeitai. An exoyn lhfqei apofaseis gia metra, qa symmetexoyme sth lhch kai efarmogh twn metrwn aytwn. An oxi, qa antimetwpisoyme to endexomeno, na analaboyme monoi mas sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies.

FILHS: Poies einai oi ellhnikes qeseis poy proballontai shmera sth Synodo twn Ypoyrgwn Gewrgias; Ti zhtaei h Ellada; Oloi milane gia mia koinotikh parembash@

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti sto plaisio aytwn twn syzhthsewn, diatypwnontai diafores apoceis. Enw syzhteitai ayto to qema -to opoio einai to kyrio qema poy apasxolei kai emas kai alles xwres ths Eyrwphs shmera- taytoxrona, sthn idia hmerhsia diatajh, perilambanontai kai alla qemata. Kai oi syzhthseis aytes pairnoyn to xarakthra mias oionei diapragmateyshs. Gi` ayto, akribws, qa prepei na exei thn aparaithth eyelijia kai o Ellhnas ypoyrgos Gewrgias poy symmetexei se aytes tis syzhthseis. Kai pantws, h opoia dikh mas stash, kaqorizetai me basiko gnwmona thn prostasia toy Ellhna polith-katanalwth. Mhn perimenete apo emena na anakoinwsw -den to gnwrizw, allwste- leptomereies.

FILHS: Mas lete oti kanoyme "trampa" peripoy me thn etairikh sxesh. Ayto lete, alla qemata syzhtoyntai shmera. Ti alla qemata;

REPPAS: Kanete terastio laqos. Paranohsate. An den to diatypwsa kala, zhtw sygnwmh. Alla, nomizw oti eseis bgalate laqos symperasma. Eipa sthn idia atzenta, sthn idia hmerhsia diatajh syzhtoyntai kai alla qemata sto plaisio toy Symboylioy Ypoyrgwn Gewrgias. Kai sas lew oti to qema ayto gia ta booeidh tiqetai kata proteraiothta men, alla ektos hmerhsias diatajhs sto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn Gewrgias, opoy alla qemata einai programmatismeno na syzhthqoyn edw kai kairo.

Sas eyxaristw.

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