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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 4 Oktwbrioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Opws gnwrizete brisketai se ejelijh h synedriash ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK, h opoia arxise tis ergasies ths me omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai Proedroy toy Kinhmatos K. Shmith.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KOYIN: Pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti tis teleytaies hmeres ta MME kai kyriws h thleorash exei metatrapei se atypo dikasthrio, oson afora thn ypoqesh toy tragikoy nayagioy;

REPPAS: Ta MME kai idiaiterws ta legomena qerma, dhladh ta hlektronika MME, prepei na prosferoyn antikeimenikh enhmerwsh stoys polites poy parakoloyqoyn ta programmata toys. H akribeia twn oswn proballontai, o tropos me ton opoio proballontai ta qemata, mporei na apotelesoyn antikeimeno elegxoy apo to ESR, sxetika me thn thrhsh twn kanonwn dhmosiografikhs deontologias. Epeidh akribws ta programmata ayta aforoyn mia tragwdia me polla qymata kai taytoxrona aforoyn mia ypoqesh h opoia ereynatai, gia to qema ayto exei diatypwsei qesh kai o Dikhgorikos Syllogos Aqhnwn. Th qesh ayth prepei oloi na melethsoyme, giati den einai dynaton oi diadikasies na metatopistoyn apo toys foreis poy exoyn th sxetikh armodiothta, th Dikaiosynh, sto xwro ths enhmerwshs me ayton ton tropo. Ta MME prosferoyn enhmerwsh. Den dikazoyn kai den ekdidoyn apofaseis. Apofaseis ekdidei h Dikaiosynh. Epanalambanw oti o tropos me ton opoio parexetai h enhmerwsh afora to leitoyrghma twn idiwn twn dhmosiografwn, twn stelexwn twn MME kai, bebaiws, yparxei baqmos elegxoy poy afora to ESR kai einai sxetikos me thn thrhsh twn kanonwn ths dhmosiografikhs deontologias.

GARGALAKOS: Xqes, eidame ton nyn ypoyrgo Emporikhs Naytilias kai ton prokatoxo toy na ejerxontai apo to Megaro Majimoy kai apo tis ekaterwqen dhlwseis bgainei ena klima mias asynexeias sthn kybernhtikh qhteia. Eidame, dhladh, ton nyn ypoyrgo Emporikhs Naytilias na diaxwrizei kata kapoion tropo tis eyqynes toy se sxesh me ton prokatoxo toy, les kai alloy eidoys kybernhsh anelabe pro pentamhnoy kai allh htan prin. Exete kapoio sxolio ep` aytoy;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh toy PASOK asfalws exei synexeia. Exei sygkekrimeno programma gia oloys toys tomeis kai bebaiws kai gia thn emporikh naytilia. To 1996 to PASOK me thn chfo toy ellhnikoy laoy anelabe kai pali th diakybernhsh ths xwras. To 2000 h kybernhsh toy PASOK kriqhke apo ton ellhniko lao kai anelabe jana kaqhkonta diakybernhshs. Se ayth thn epityxh ekbash ths eklogikhs anametrhshs, anamfibola symbolh exei, se ena orismeno metro, kai o mexri tote ypoyrgos Emporikhs Naytilias. Oloi mazi, me syllogikh prospaqeia, petyxame na fqasoyme sto apotelesma poy me thn chfo toy diamorfwse o ellhnikos laos, o opoios gia allh mia fora aneqese sto PASOK th diakybernhsh ths xwras. O k. Papoytshs anelabe meta tis ekloges na synexisei to kybernhtiko ergo sto xwro ths naytilias. Exei analabei shmantikes prwtoboylies sthn kateyqynsh peraiterw beltiwshs ths politikhs sto xwro ths emporikhs naytilias. Pisteyoyme, apolyta, oti o k. Papoytshs ergazomenos gia ton koino skopo, sto plaisio ayths ths syllogikhs prospaqeias, qa symballei wste na exoyme mia analogh eklogikh epityxia kai to 2004.

MIXAHL: Me aformh me ayto to teleytaio poy eipate qelw na sas rwthsw, sthn periptwsh poy o ellhnikos laos stis epomenes ekloges, opote ki an ginoyn, sto telos ths tetraetias den sas krinei gia mia nea qhteia, shmainei oti exoyn apotyxei oi en logw politikoi;

REPPAS: Qa syzhthsoyme twra gia to ti qa apofasisei o ellhnikos laos to 2004 gia to PASOK kai thn kybernhsh; Ena tetoio endexomeno den mporei na to syzhthsoyme twra. Sas eipa poia einai h dikh moy pisth kai se poia kateyqynsh ergazomaste oloi.

MIXAHL: Xqes, bghke stoys thleoptikoys staqmoys o efoplisths k. Agoydhmos, o opoios eipe oti exei paragkwnistei apo to shmerino PASOK, giati aytos htan toy papandreikoy PASOK, oti esteile epistoles ston k. Shmith mesw toy Grammatea toy Kinhmatos k. Skandalidh kai oti aytes oi epistoles, ap` o,ti o idios eipe, briskontai sta xeria toy k. Kosmidh kai den exoyn apanthqei. Qelw na rwthsw an exei labei o Prwqypoyrgos tetoies epistoles -h estw o k. Kosmidhs- kai an prokeitai na apanthsei;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola ayto apodeiknyei oti o kaqenas ekfrazei eleyqera tis apoceis toy, oti sth xwra mas exoyme eleyqerotypia. Ayto einai mia tranh apodeijh. Kata ta alla, bebaiws, epeidh o kaqenas ekfrazei eleyqera tis apoceis toy mporei na leei ayta ta opoia leei, analambanontas kai thn eyqynh twn legomenwn toy. Emeis, den einai dynato na sxoliazoyme, na apantoyme se idiwtes, epixeirhmaties, se foreis kai paragontes poy diatypwnoyn tis dikes toys apoceis, thn ekdoxh toys gia diafora qemata. Ayto poy anaferate gia to sygkekrimeno paragonta h opoiondhpote allon mporei na apotelesei stoixeio enos ylikoy, to opoio tiqetai ypoch twn organwn ths Dikaiosynhs, prokeimenoy na ajiologhqei kai na lhfqoyn apofaseis. Polla legontai aytes tis hmeres sta MME. Den einai dynato na ginoyme syzhthtes se ena tetoio plaisio anazhthshs eyqynwn kai me ayton ton tropo.

Oson afora to qema twn epistolwn poy eipate, epistoles exoyn stalei kai ston Prwqypoyrgo kai se melh ths kybernhshs h alla kratika stelexh apo polloys paragontes. Ayto poy qetw einai oti ola ayta poy legontai -kai legontai me anaptyjh isxyrismwn se mia orismenh kateyqynsh- mporei na apotelesoyn stoixeia ta opoia ta armodia organa mporoyn na ta sysxetisoyn me thn ypoqesh poy apasxolei ayta ta organa ths Dikaiosynhs kai na ta ajiologhsoyn.

KWSTANTHS: Pws sxoliazete th shmerinh topoqethsh toy boyleyth X. Kastanidh poy, afoy eipe oti h katastash den einai aplws dyskolh, einai dramatikh, sth synexeia anefere oti sygkroysthkame me agrotes kai ekpaideytikoys kai den kaname to idio me ta oikonomika symferonta kai prepei na to kanoyme. Eipe, epishs, oti aytos den qa symbibastei kai den qelei na yparjei mia poreia httas. Pws to blepete eseis;

REPPAS: Einai oi apoceis toy k. Kastanidh. Kaqe boyleyths, sto plaisio ayths ths synedriashs, ekfrazei tis dikes toy apoceis. Exei ayto to dikaiwma. To oti leitoyrgoyme dhmokratika fainetai apo to oti th synedriash, poy einai akomh se ejelijh, einai eykolo na thn parakoloyqhsete ki eseis. Ayto akribws deixnei oti to PASOK einai ena komma me apolyth eswkommatikh dhmokratia.

KWNSTANTHS: Symmerizeste kapoies apo tis apoceis toy;

REPPAS: Asfalws, den symmerizomai aytes tis apoceis oyte ws proswpo, oyte ws ypoyrgos kai ekproswpos ths kybernhshs. Qa anaferw mono ena paradeigma, to opoio afora to diko mas tomea: Gnwrizete oti enocei ths anaptyjhs epixeirhmatikwn drasthriothtwn ston tomea twn syndromhtikwn radiothleoptikwn yphresiwn, qesame ena orismeno plaisio kai den epitrecame thn anaptyjh aytwn twn drasthriothtwn me tropo asydoto. Kai gnwrizete oti h kybernhsh kai o omilwn eisprajame tote thn kritikh kai dexqhkame thn epiqesh sygkekrimenwn oikonomikwn paragontwn, sygkekrimenwn idiwtikwn symferontwn me anakoinwseis ston Typo. Exei janasymbei pote ayto; Exete dei pote toso shmantikes "ypografes" -as tis xarakthrisw etsi- na epitiqentai se ypoyrgo kai kybernhsh; Anefera mono ena paradeigma. As mhn eimaste, loipon, toso apolytoi. Kaqenas, bebaiws, leei thn apoch toy, alla h alhqeia prepei na anazhteitai me basanistikh prospaqeia.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eseis, ws ypoyrgos Typoy, problhmatizeste gi` ayth thn katastash, gia th mh thrhsh ths dhmosiografikhs deontologias kai an skefteste na symbalete me orismena metra;

REPPAS: Emeis exoyme diatypwsei ena plaisio arxwn kai kanonwn. O kwdikas dhmosiografikhs deontologias afora, prwta ap` ola, toys leitoyrgoys twn MME. Sto plaisio toy nomosxedioy gia to ESR qa deite oti, metajy twn allwn, periexontai diatajeis poy anaferontai ston aytoelegxo kai sthn aytodesmeysh twn MME, prokeimenoy na throyn aytoys toys kanones. Peran aytoy, gnwrizete, fer` eipein, th shmansh twn thleoptikwn programmatwn poy exoyme eishghqei. Kai xairomai giati efarmozetai ayto to metro, edw kai arketoys mhnes, apo ta hlektronika Mesa Enhmerwshs. Exoyme kaqierwsei, epishs, ena baqmo elegxoy, o opoios anaferetai stis armodiothtes toy ESR, to opoio epilambanetai tetoiwn qematwn. Pisteyw, omws, oti kamia diadikasia dioikhtikoy elegxoy den qa dwsei apotelesmata, an oi idioi oi leitoyrgoi, se kaqe tomea kai sto sygkekrimeno xwro twn MME, den analaboyn tis eyqynes toys kai den thrhsoyn tis desmeyseis toys.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Mhpws, omws, yparxei mia oysiastikh elleich enhmerwshs h paraplhroforhshs ek meroys ths kybernhshs gia orismena qemata, opote qa exoyme ta apotelesmata ayta poy exoyme;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti kaqe mera, metajy twn allwn, syzhtoyme edw arketh wra, apantoyme se erwthseis. Polles fores tiqentai erwthmata, dinontai apanthseis, alla aytes oydepote anadeiknyontai h dhmosieyontai. Ara, den antilambanomai giati tiqentai oi erwthseis, afoy den prokeitai na xrhsimopoihqei to periexomeno twn apanthsewn. Den exw kamia eyqynh gi` ayto. Oyte mporoyme na epibaloyme periorismoys h na prokatalaboyme ta MME, pws qa proballoyn ena qema. Einai diko toys dikaiwma.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Proxqes, me diabebaiwsate, apantwntas se erwthsh moy, oti to ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias ekane o,ti htan dynato gia na enhmerwqoyn oloi oi foreis gia thn aposyrsh twn 60 ploiwn. Egw, anagkastika, ekana reportaz ston Peiraia kai eida oti apo to YEN den bghke kanena deltio poy na enhmerwnei, prwtistws, to epibatiko koino twn Kykladwn h toy Aigaioy, oti qa ginoyn@

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eseis moy eipate oti enhmerwse toys foreis. To koino to enhmerwse;

REPPAS: Enhmerwse toys epixeirhmatikoys foreis, aytoys stoys opoioys apeyqynetai to ypoyrgeio, prokeimenoy na metaskeyasoyn ta ploia toys. Opws sas eipa tote kai epanalambanw, h teleytaia ypomnhsh egine thn 1h Septembrioy 2000.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Oi polites enhmerwqhkan;

REPPAS: Deltio Typoy, dhmosia anakoinwsh, isws na mhn yphrje.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Nai, alla etsi ginetai gia ola ta qemata.

REPPAS: Den qa antidikhsoyme. Ki emeis exoyme shmantikes elleiceis ston tomea ayto, giati ginontai shmantika pragmata, ta opoia den exoyn thn analogh dhmosiothta. Den einai dynato na ta gnwrizoyn oi polites, poly perissotero den ta gnwrizoyn oyte kan oi anqrwpoi twn MME. Kai etsi den exoyme thn analogh probolh twn qematwn aytwn.

KALARITHS: O k. Soymakhs eipe xqes, meta th synanthsh toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo, oti kata th diarkeia ths qhteias toy dexqhke isxyres pieseis apo symferonta, stis opoies antistaqhke. Enhmerwqhke o Prwqypoyrgos, h kybernhsh se ti akribws anaferotan;

REPPAS: O k. Soymakhs ekane ayth th dhlwsh. Anaferetai sth diarkeia ths dikhs toy qhteias. Anefere tis prwtoboylies poy phre kai ta apotelesmata. Shmera o Prwqypoyrgos ekane mia poly syntomh anafora, me endeiktikh -qa moy epitrecete na pw- xrhsimopoihsh stoixeiwn, ariqmoy ploiwn, ta opoia mphkan ayth thn periodo me poly mikrh hlikia sthn Emporikh Naytilia. Kata ta alla, gnwrizete poly kala -to exw pei allwste, einai genikh qesh ayth- oti pantote askoyntai pieseis apo idiwtika symferonta, ta opoia qeloyn ryqmiseis yper toys. Alla, h politikh den einai dynato na xeirizetai, para mono me gnwmona to dhmosio symferon, tetoioy eidoys ypoqeseis. Kai ayto ginetai se kaqe periptwsh.

BIDALH: O symboylos toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn k. Rontos brisketai sto Beligradi. Jerete apo pote ki an exei kapoia sygkekrimenh apostolh kai sygkekrimenes epafes;

REPPAS: O k. Rontos, gnwrizete oti exei xrhsimopoihqei se apostoles sth Gioygkoslabia toso kata thn periodo ths megalhs krishs, oso kai sth synexeia. To ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, mesw toy k. Rontoy, exei synexh epikoinwnia me tis politikes dynameis sth Gioygkoslabia. Prospaqoyme na symballoyme sthn kateyqynsh yperbashs ths krishs poy talanizei th filh xwra. H prospaqeia poy kanei h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei anagnwristei apo to synolo twn politikwn dynamewn ths Gioygkoslabias. Opws kai dieqnws exei anagnwristei h prospaqeia kai o qetikos rolos ths xwras mas se ayth thn kateyqynsh.

BIDALH: Se epafh kai me thn pleyra Milosebits;

REPPAS: Sas lew oti yparxei epikoinwnia me oles tis dynameis. H ellhnikh kybernhsh, me diaforoys tropoys, epikoinwnei me tis politikes dynameis sth Gioygkoslabia. Pisteyoyme oti oi politikes dynameis ths Gioygkoslabias einai aytes poy me cyxraimo kai ypeyqyno tropo mporoyn, pairnontas tis sxetikes prwtoboylies, na odhghsoyn se yperbash ths krishs. Den prepei na kleisoyme tis portes se kamia eykairia, wste na epanelqei h omalothta kai na dromologhqoyn dhmokratikes ejelijeis sth Gioygkoslabia.

KANELLOPOYLOS: O k. Rontos stis metakinhseis toy xrhsimopoiei ellhniko diabathrio;

REPPAS: Exei teqei, kat` epanalhch, analogo qema gia synergates toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Prepei na sas pw oti h ekproswphsh ths kybernhshs ginetai egkyrws apo ton k. Ronto. Den ektelei proswpikh apostolh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti o Prwqypoyrgos anefere posa kainoyrgia karabia mphkan. Anefere se posa sapiokaraba doqhke adeia skopimothtas;

REPPAS: Qa kanete mia mikrh ypomonh mexri to apogeyma, poy qa syzhthqoyn me perissoteres leptomereies ta synafh qemata, sto plaisio ths "Wras toy Prwqypoyrgoy". Prepei na sas pw oti h emporikh naytilia sth xwra mas, h opoia bebaiws antimetwpizei problhmata, einai mia drasthriothta poy afora ena megalo tmhma toy ellhnikoy plhqysmoy. Qa prepei na diafylajoyme ta symferonta ths xwras kai ta symferonta ths emporikhs naytilias. Den xreiazetai na rixnoyme to liqo toy anaqematos. Yparxei mia tragwdia. Eimaste oloi sygklonismenoi kai lyphmenoi gi` ayto. Den einai omws aytos o kalyteros tropos antimetwpishs toy problhmatos poy proekyce.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate, prohgoymenws "panta yphrjan idiwtika symferonta poy piezan". Ti ennoeite; Ton k. Sfhnia;

REPPAS: Ennow oti sthn eleyqerh agora, sto plaisio toy antagwnismoy, poy polles fores einai kai aqemitos, askoyntai pieseis apo idiwtika symferonta -to exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos, oloi to gnwrizoyme ayto- se mia orismenh kateyqynsh. H politikh den einai dynato na diaxeiristei th sygkroysh h tis antiqeseis twn idiwtikwn symferontwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia to sygkekrimeno epixeirhmatia lew: Pieze; Giati aytos leei oti den pieze, toy ta edine o Soymakhs monos toy.

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei se ayto. Eseis bebaia exete thn ekdoxh sas. Ayta, bebaiws, einai qemata ta opoia mporeite na grafete me ton tropo poy eseis ta antilambaneste. Exoyme apolyth diafwnia se ayto.

KOYIN: Eipate oti o k. Rontos den ektelei proswpikh apostolh. Ayto shmainei oti h Ellada exei analabei diamesolabhsh;

REPPAS: To ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, to opoio exei thn eyqynh ths analhchs sxetikwn prwtoboyliwn, exei dieyqynth ton k. Ronto, o opoios exei apokthsei shmantikh empeiria, einai enas ajiopistos synomilhths twn ekei politikwn dynamewn.

KOYIN: Yparxei epishmh ellhnikh diamesolabhsh; Steilate ton k. Ronto@

REPPAS: Den gnwrizete oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh, o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, exei analabei sxetikes prwtoboylies; Sto plaisio aytwn twn prwtoboyliwn, ajiopoieitai o k. Rontos.

SOYRMELH: Gia to prohgoymeno qema poy rwthse o k. Papadopoylos: ti mesolabhse kai xreiazetai dikasths toy Efeteioy gia na analabei thn anakrish;

REPPAS: Opws, isws, gnwrizete kai kata thn omilia toy sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada shmera, o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke kai pali sto qema toy xronoy poy mesolabei, mexri thn ekdosh twn dikastikwn apofasewn. Exoyme, kat` epanalhch, qesei to qema ths taxyterhs aponomhs dikaiosynhs sth xwra mas. O Prwqypoyrgos anakoinwse, shmera, oti o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs analambanei sxetikh nomoqetikh prwtoboylia, prowqei dhladh diatajh sth Boylh me thn opoia, se qemata meizonos shmasias poy prokaloyn ena eyrytero endiaferon, exoyn ej antikeimenoy mia barythta, qa prepei na ginoyn allages oson afora thn poinikh dikonomia, na analambanoyn tis anakritikes energeies dikastika organa ychloteroy epipedoy, apo o,ti symbainei shmera. Efetes. Mia ypoqesh einai kai h sygkekrimenh, h naytikh tragwdia.

SOYRMELH: Nai, alla ayto einai prohgoymeno. Eipe oti qa to kanei o k. Staqopoylos@

REPPAS: Exete apolyto dikio. Gi` ayto, akribws, sthn epikoinwnia poy eixe tis prohgoymenes hmeres o Prwqypoyrgos me ton eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy, ekdhlwse to endiaferon na parakoloyqhsei proswpika pws ejelissetai h ypoqesh ayth, wste na lamcei h alhqeia, alla mesa se problepto xrono. Mhn exoyme epanalhch fainomenwn opoy polles ypoqeseis, stis opoies anaferqhke o Prwqypoyrgos, paramenoyn ekkremeis, xwris na exoyn ekdoqei dikastikes apofaseis, me apotelesma na diatypwnontai diafora sxolia.

SOYRMELH: Me sygxwreite, epeidh qa to analabei proswpika, to analambanei o efeths;

REPPAS: Sas lew oti synedriazei h Olomeleia twn Efetwn toy Efeteioy Aigaioy gia na antimetwpisei kai ayto to qema. Ginontai, dhladh, xeirismoi, analambanontai prwtoboylies, wste na mhn epanalhfqoyn fainomena toy parelqontos, sxetika me megalh xronikh kaqysterhsh. Ayto prepei na to antimetwpisoyme, idiaiterws gia qemata poy exoyn idiaiterh barythta.

KOYIN: Opws thn tromokratia;

REPPAS: An yparxei tetoio qema, bebaiws einai kai ayto poly shmantiko. Ola ayta ta qemata, einai poly shmantika. Alla ayta, antilambaneste pws qa ta antimetwpisoyn, sto plaisio ths neas ryqmishs, ta idia ta dikastika organa. Den to ryqmizei ayto to qema h kybernhsh. Mporei na pairnei prwtoboylies o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, alla ta dikastika organa einai ayta ta opoia epilambanontai.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kati paremferes. Gia tis ypoloipes, alles, aples ypoqeseis toy kosmoy poy xronotriboyn sta dikasthria, den qa labete kapoia pronoia ws kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti exei ginei ena terastio ergo, oson afora thn ktiriakh ypodomh twn dikasthriwn sth xwra mas kai th stelexwsh twn yphresiwn twn dikasthriwn. Pragmatika einai megalos o ariqmos twn ypoqesewn poy ekkremoyn. Ayto den mporei na antimetwpistei me allon tropo, oyte mporeis na epibaleis to ryqmo me ton opoio enas dikasths meleta th dikografia poy toy exei anateqei kai ekdidei thn apofash toy. Einai kati poy den mporeis na epibaleis, kati poy den mporeis na parembeis.

Sas eyxaristw.

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