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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 2 Oktwbrioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Kat` arxas na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy ayths ths ebdomadas.

Ayth thn wra dexetai to proedreio ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK, enocei ths synedriashs ths.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, qa einai parwn sthn ypodoxh twn Olympionikwn sto aerodromio ths Aqhnas. Organwnetai mia semnh teleth. Sth 1 meta to meshmeri qa dexqei se synergasia ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Giwrgo Papandreoy. To apogeyma, stis 6.30, qa synergastei me ton Ypoyrgo Emporikhs Naytilias Xrhsto Papoytsh.

Thn Tetarth, stis 10 to prwi, qa synedriasei h K.O. toy PASOK. To apogeyma, sth Boylh, o Prwqypoyrgos qa apanthsei, sto plaisio ths ``Wras toy Prwqypoyrgoy'' se erwthseis poy exoyn ypoblhqei apo toys arxhgoys twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs, me qema thn prosfath naytikh tragwdia. Argotera, stis 8 to brady, problepetai kat` arxas synedriash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy toy PASOK.

Thn Pempth, opws exoyme anakoinwsei, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, me antikeimeno syzhthshs ta qemata poy aforoyn thn politikh sto xwro ths emporikhs naytilias. To apogeyma, stis 7 h wra, o Prwqypoyrgos qa dexqei se synergasia thn epikefalhs toy Organismoy ``Aqhna 2004'' k. Aggelopoyloy.

Thn Paraskeyh, stis 10 to prwi, qa dexqei ton k. Tsatso kai ton k. Mprok. Einai oi dyo eyrwboyleytes poy exoyn chfistei apo to Eyrwkoinoboylio gia na symmetasxoyn sth diadikasia ths Diakybernhtikhs. Argotera, stis 12.30, me omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai Proedroy toy PASOK qa jekinhsei h Synodos ths K.E. toy Kinhmatos, h opoia qa synexistei kai qa oloklhrwqei to Sabbato.

Sas enhmerwnw, epishs, oti oson afora to Gioygkoslabiko o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy exei thlefwnikh epikoinwnia me omologoys toy allwn xwrwn ths E.E.. Idiaiterws brisketai se diarkh epafh kai se syntonismo me ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths Gallias, h opoia opws gnwrizete askei thn Proedria ths E.E. ayto to ejamhno, kaqws kai me ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths Rwsias k. Ibanof. Oi syzhthseis toys peristrefontai gyrw apo th syntajh enos mnhmonioy, enos keimenoy yposthrijhs ths Gioygkoslabias, prokeimenoy na bgei apo thn krish. H basikh idea poy periexetai sto keimeno ayto einai h apostolh empeirognwmonwn, paragontwn ajiopistwn, parathrhtwn gia na ginei mia epanakatametrhsh twn chfwn ths prosfaths eklogikhs anametrhshs sth Gioygkoslabia. O rolos ths Elladas kai toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn einai shmantikos, sthn kateyqynsh na jeperastei h krish sthn perioxh kai idiaiterws sth Gioygkoslabia, opws ayth ekdhlwqhke, me ta xarakthristika dhladh poy phre meta thn anakoinwsh twn eklogikwn apotelesmatwn.

Oson afora thn apergia twn odhgwn twn bytioforwn, o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias probainei se sxetikes dhlwseis. Ayto poy arkoymai na pw twra einai oti h apergia ayth einai adikaiologhth. Prepei na laboyme ypoch mas oti me tetoioy eidoys kinhtopoihseis blaptetai to koinwniko synolo, poly perissotero otan basika aithmata poy eixan diatypwqei ikanopoihqhkan apo thn kybernhsh.

-Anaferomai sthn enarjh syzhthshs gia thn antimetwpish kai epilysh qesmikwn zhthmatwn.

-Anaferomai sth meiwsh twn telwn kykloforias kata 50% gia ena xrono.

-Anaferomai sth dhmioyrgia enos neoy plaisioy gia thn ananewsh toy stoloy, xwris omws na doqoyn nees adeies. Kai, bebaiws,

-Anaferomai sthn prospaqeia poy kanei h kybernhsh na sygkrathsei thn timh twn kaysimwn. Fainetai oti ayth thn ebdomada qa exoyme mia meiwsh ths timhs twn kaysimwn kata 10 draxmes to litro, pragma to opoio asfalws qa exei th qetikh epiptwsh toy kai stis metafores.

H kybernhsh, h opoia syzhta me toys ekproswpoys twn apergwn, epiqymei na breqei mesa apo synennohsh mia lysh, prokeimenoy na mhn parataqei h apergia kai einai etoimh na analabei prwtoboylies kai ola ta anagkaia metra gia na diasfalisoyme thn omalh metafora twn proiontwn. To qema ayto afora olh thn ellhnikh koinwnia.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

FILHS: Sxetikws me to qema poy exei syntarajei to panellhnio, me to nayagio, qelw na sas rwthsw an synista kata th gnwmh ths kybernhshs barytath ameleia to gegonos oti eprepe na yparjei ena nayagio gia na ejaireqoyn apo toys ploes mia seira apo ploia, opws leei shmera me anakoinwsh toy to YEN. Eprepe na pnigei o kosmos gia na bgoyn ektos ayta ta ploia;

REPPAS: Den exei kamia sxesh to ena qema me to allo. H sysxetish poy ginetai einai atyxestath, giati symfwna me koinotikh odhgia, gia qemata sxetika me thn pyrasfaleia twn ploiwn @idiaiterws me to qema ayto sxetizetai h koinotikh odhgia- to Ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias apo to 1998 exei ekdwsei sxetiko P.D., prokeimenoy na enarmonistei to eqniko dikaio me to koinotiko. Tote oristhke katalhktikh proqesmia h 1h Oktwbrioy toy 2000. Mexri ayth thn hmera qa eprepe ta ploia na exoyn proxwrhsei stis anagkaies metatropes, prokeimenoy na prosarmostoyn se ayta poy problepei to koinotiko plaisio sto sygkekrimeno tomea. Den afora h odhgia ayth h o elegxos poy egine @kai bebaiws qa epanalhfqei- synolikws ta qemata asfaleias gia th dromologhsh twn ploiwn aytwn. Afora sygkekrimena epimeroys qemata poy epanalambanw antimetwpizontai sto plaisio ths koinotikhs odhgias kai toy sxetikoy P.D.. H hmeromhnia ayth einai gnwsth edw kai para poly kairo stoys endiaferomenoys, toys epixeirhmaties. Exei ginei kat` epanalhch ypomnhsh oti h proqesmia ayth lhgei thn 1h Oktwbrioy toy 2000. Teleytaia ypomnhsh egine thn 1h Septembrioy, toy mhna poy molis elhje. Ayto deixnei me ton kalytero tropo oti den prepei na sxetizetai to tragiko gegonos me ayth th diadikasia. Ta ploia poy exoyn ypostei ayto ton elegxo kai diapistwqhke oti ysteroyn kai ara qa prepei oi ploiokthtes toys na proboyn stis anagkaies metatropes katanemontai se treis kathgories.

-Einai ta ploia poy ejyphretoyn dieqneis grammes, opws ayth pros thn Italia h megales grammes toy ejwterikoy, opws ayth sthn Krhth.

-Einai ta ploia genikws ths aktoploias sto Aigaio kai,

-Einai ta ploia poy ekteloyn ``topikoy xarakthra'' dromologia.

O elegxos, loipon, qa ginei me th symplhrwsh 20hmeroy apo shmera, opws akribws eixe anakoinwqei eyqys ej arxhs, prokeimenoy etsi na pistopoihqei an exoyn ginei oi metatropes sta ploia kai mporei na xrhsimopoihqoyn. Den exei @apo ta stoixeia poy sas anefera to antilambaneste ki eseis- kamia sxesh h tragwdia me ayth th dioikhtikh energeia poy einai se ejelijh.

FILHS: Yposthrizete, dhladh, oti h hmeromhnia ayth htan gnwsth edw kai dyo xronia;

REPPAS: Yposthrizw oti h hmeromhnia ayth htan gnwsth stoys endiaferomenoys poly prin exoyme ayth th naytikh tragwdia.

FILHS: Dhladh, to Ypoyrgeio edwse paratash peripoy@

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti h teleytaia ypomnhsh egine thn 1h Septembrioy.

FILHS: Yposthrizete oti to Ypoyrgeio gnwrize oti ta ploia ayta, akatallhla piqanon, den eixan ta anagkaia gia thn pyrosbesh mesa poy problepoyn oi kanones ths E.E., oti ayta ta ploia ekinoynto apo to 1998 mexri shmera;

REPPAS: Gia ola ayta ta qemata mporw na anaferw polla stoixeia. Den qa to kanw giati h syzhthsh poy qa ginei thn Tetarth sth Boylh, opoy o idios o Prwqypoyrgos qa apanthsei se erwthseis twn politikwn arxhgwn gi` ayto to qema, qa einai apokalyptikh. Sas lew kai pali oti den exei kamia sxesh to ena qema me to allo. Sas lew, epishs, oti ta metra asfaleias, ta opoia qa prepei na xarakthrizoyn ta ploia poy xrhsimopoioyntai, eixan elegxqei. Ayta ta epiprosqeta metra poy aforoyn orismenes leitoyrgies sta ploia symfwna me osa problepei h koinotikh odhgia, qa eprepe na lhfqoyn mexri thn 1h Oktwbrioy toy 2000. Ayto ginetai twra. Se ayth th fash eimaste.

FILHS: Dhmosieymata pollwn efhmeridwn, sxedon toy synoloy toy ellhnikoy Typoy, epimonws kanoyn logo gia mia periergh diaplokh ths etaireias MINOAN LINES me to PASOK kai proswpika toy k. Soymakh ws Ypoyrgoy Emporikhs Naytilias. Ayto poy lene, synoptikws, ta dhmosieymata kai eyqews to katonomazoyn einai oti h MINOAN LINES exei kapoioy eidoys oikonomikh diasyndesh me stelexh h me to idio to PASOK. Ti apantate;

REPPAS: Ola ayta einai aparadekta kai adikaiologhta, poly perissotero otan den tekmhriwnontai kai legontai me tropo aneyqyno kai me profanh skopimothta. O k. Soymakhs sth diarkeia ths ypoyrgikhs qhteias toy synebale sthn ananewsh toy stoloy twn ploiwn. Ta stoixeia kai gia to qema ayto qa doqoyn sth dhmosiothta, gia na antilhfqoyn oloi oti meta apo dekaeties o stolos mas ananewqhke se ikanopoihtiko baqmo sta xronia ekeina poy o k. Soymakhs qhteyse ws Ypoyrgos Emporikhs Naytilias.

Oson afora ta sxolia poy diatypwnontai gia tis proswpikes sxeseis poy exei, gia th filojenia ths opoias etyxe prepei na sas pw oti ola ayta einai anypostata. Oyte episkefqhke orismenes perioxes, oyte filojenhqhke se spitia. Ola ayta einai ektos pragmatikothtas. Legontai me tetoio tropo poy asfalws odhgei se spilwsh enos proswpoy kai ayto den prepei na to epitrecoyme sth dhmokratia mas. An exei kapoios kati sygkekrimeno kai tekmhriwmeno qa to akoysoyme me megalh prosoxh. Alla, epiteloys kapoioi parasyrontai monimws @kai ayth einai h monimh epwdos toys- apo fhmes h apo sxolia poy kykloforoyn aneyqyna kai gnwrizete poly kala poies synepeies exoyn tetoioy eidoys syzhthseis. Kalo einai loipon na mhn emplakoyme se ayto to paixnidi, giati bgainei xamenh kai h dhmokratia mas. Oloi bgainoyn xamenoi apo to xeirismo toso sobarwn qematwn me ayto ton epipolaio tropo.

FILHS: H kybernhsh gnwrizei an diakekrimena stelexh toy PASOK exoyn epixeirhmatikh@

REPPAS: Apanthsa se ola ayta ta aparadekta kai o tropos me ton opoio apanthsa htan safhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti o k. Soymakhs synebale sthn ananewsh. O k. Soymakhs to antiqeto ekane. Synebale, wste na paroyn ta ploia megalyterh proqesmia. Gia poia ananewsh lete;

REPPAS: Poia einai h erwthsh poy kanete;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lete oti o k. Soymakhs synebale sthn ananewsh.

REPPAS: Na kanete to sxolio, otan grafete sthn efhmerida sas. Mporeite na diatypwsete mia erwthsh. Sas lew, loipon, oti yparxoyn stoixeia ta opoia deixnoyn oti, kata th diarkeia ths qhteias toy, eixame, meta apo polla xronia, shmantikh ananewsh toy stoloy twn ploiwn sthn ellhnikh aktoploia. Ola ayta, einai sth diaqesh pantos endiaferomenoy. Ara, loipon, h "kritikh" h opoia diatypwnetai einai ektos pragmatikothtas, xwris antikrisma alhqeias. Eimai safhs se ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Soymakhs htan o ypoyrgos poy phge sthn E.E. kai zhthse na ginei to orio apo 27 se 35 xronia;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti h E.E. den exei qesei orio hlikias twn ploiwn. Mia meleth einai se ejelijh, opws plhroforoymai, gia to meso oro hlikias twn ploiwn se diafores xwres. Prepei na sas pw oti, otan oloklhrwqei h meleth ayth, tote qa deite kai pali oti oi kathgories poy apeyqynontai den einai kai aytes dikaiologhmenes. Kata ta alla, gnwrizete oti qa apanthsei o Prwqypoyrgos gia ayta ta qemata, thn Tetarth to apogeyma, sth Boylh, sto plaisio ths "Wras toy Prwqypoyrgoy". Epishs, thn Pempth, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgikoy Symboylio, prokeimenoy na labei shmantikes apofaseis. Ola ayta ta qemata, loipon, qa mas apasxolhsoyn tis epomenes hmeres. Kai tote -exete ligo ypomonh- qa deite oti polla pragmata einai poly diaforetika apo o,ti kapoioi nomizoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kaqhmerina bgazoyn mesa apo to karabi pnigmenoys. Posoys prepei na bgaloyn gia na analabei kapoios thn politikh eyqynh kai na paraithqei; Yparxei eyaisqhsia se kanenan;

REPPAS: Yparxei lyph kai eyaisqhsia. Kai ayto to apodeiknyoyme me to na prospaqoyme na kanoyme th doyleia mas me ton kalytero tropo. Pragmati, qa epixeirhsoyn oi dytes twn swstikwn synergeiwn na mpoyn sto gkaraz toy ploioy kai na doyn an ekei exoyn egklwbistei atoma. O apologismos einai tragikos. Den yparxei periqwrio, syzhtwntas gi` ayto to qema, na epidiwjoyme th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn. Den yperaspizomaste tipota, den kataggelloyme tipota. Qeloyme na oloklhrwqoyn oi ereynes, to syntomotero dynato. Na fanei poioi einai oi ypeyqynoi, na analaboyn tis eyqynes toys kai na toys apodoqoyn me dikaio, alla aysthro tropo, oi eyqynes aytes. Apo ekei kai pera, gnwrizete poly kala pws h politikh, sto xwro ths emporikhs naytilias, diaxronika, einai krisimh gia thn patrida mas. Ta qemata ayta, allwste, h kybernhsh qa ta antimetwpisei kai sto plaisio syzhthshs sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Bgainoyn kai dikoi sas boyleytes, opws o k. Lianhs, poy leei oti yparxei politikh eyqynh. Gi` ayto rwtw, ypebale kaneis paraithsh;

REPPAS: Xairomai poy symfwneite me ton k. Lianh. H qesh ths kybernhshs einai ayth, opws th diatypwsa kai thn prohgoymenh ebdomada.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxei politikh eyqynh;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se ayto, kat` epanalhch. Poia politikh eyqynh exei o ypoyrgos Emporikhs Naytilias poy den exei kamia anamijh se ena tragiko symban; Poia einai h anamijh toy; Einai adikaiologhto na syzhtoyme me ayto ton tropo. Kai xarakthrisa, sto plaisio sxetikhs syzhthshs, se erwthsh poy eixe qesei synadelfos sas, anqrwpoqysies aytes poy zhtoyntai. Den to qymaste; Giati epanerxeste, loipon;

TAKHS: H ka Aggelopoyloy dinei, shmera, mia synenteyjh sto "Eqnos" kai leei oti Olympiada, me ryqmoys dhmosioy, den ginetai, afhste mas na kanoyme th doyleia mas emeis poy jeroyme kai afhste tis memcimoiries kai ola ayta. O Prwqypoyrgos, opws mas eipate, exei ranteboy me thn k. Aggelopoyloy, thn Pempth to apogeyma. Ti perimenei apo ayto to ranteboy; Ti qa qesei sthn k. Aggelopoyloy kai ti prokeitai na dexqei apo aythn, an gnwrizete;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti se kaqe xwra thn Olympiada diorganwnei mia Epitroph, poy analambanei me aytonomia kai plhreis armodiothtes na ferei se peras ayto to shmantiko ergo. H Olympiada toy 2004 apotelei eqnikh ypoqesh gia th xwra mas. Mas afora oloys. Oloi prepei na symballoyme. Bebaiws, ton prwtagwnistiko rolo ton exei h Organwtikh Epitroph. To kratos -olo to kratos, oxi mono h kybernhsh- einai sth diaqesh twn anqrwpwn ekeinwn poy exoyn analabei tis sxetikes armodiothtes, prokeimenoy na eimaste etoimoi, apo thn apoch ths ypodomhs, ths texnikhs, alla kai ths dioikhtikhs, gia na organwsoyme mia artia Olympiada. H syzhthsh, h opoia qa ginei kata th synanthsh, antilambaneste, pws qa einai mesa se ena klima synergasias, giati o skopos einai koinos.

TAKHS: Nai, alla den einai momfh ayto poy leei h ka Aggelopoyloy;

REPPAS: Kamia momfh den einai, epanalambanei to aytonohto. Gnwrizete poly kala oti kamia xwra den diorganwse Olympiada, mexri twra, xwris na exei systhsei organwtikh epitroph gia thn antistoixh Olympiada. Ayto ginetai kai sthn patrida mas.

TAKHS: O k. Pagkalos, prin ligh wra, syzhtwntas an qa prepei na ginei Ypoyrgeio Olympiadas kai ola ta sxetika, eipe oti kata th gnwmh moy qa prepei na katarghqoyn diafora ypoyrgeia kai to prwto poy qa prepei na katarghqei einai to ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti to ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias, gia mia xwra me ta xarakthristika ths dikhs mas, einai neyralgiko ypoyrgeio. Kai bebaiws, kaqe xwra diarqrwnei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio ths, me bash tis koinwnikes, oikonomikes kai alles idiaiterothtes poy exei. Ara, se mia xwra opws einai h dikh mas, to YEN exei th qesh toy.

KOYIN: Prin apo dyo ebdomades, otan hmastan se mia allh krish, eixate xarakthrisei thn eikona ths kybernhshs oti den htan h kalyterh. Thn eikona ths kybernhshs, shmera, pws qa thn xarakthrizate;

REPPAS: Giati epanerxeste, diatypwnontas erwthseis twn opoiwn thn apanthsh mporeite na dwsete monos sas; Sas lew, loipon, oti antimetwpizoyme mia naytikh tragwdia kai to mono poy mporw na sxoliasw, me aformh thn erwthsh sas, einai toyto: Einai pragmatika ejw apo kaqe politikh deontologia kapoioi na epixeiroyn na kerdoskophsoyn politika, basizomenoi se ena tragiko gegonos. An oi elpides toys, na antiparateqoyn pros sthn kybernhsh, basizontai se tragika gegonota, antilambaneste pws ypotimoyn th nohmosynh kai twn politwn, alla ayto deixnei pws ypotimoyn kai tis dikes toys dynameis.

MPOTWNHS: O Synaspismos kai to KKE zhtoyn pro hmerhsias diatajews syzhthsh gia to nayagio. Alla kai o k. Karamanlhs dhlwse oti den exei antirrhsh, h erwthsh na metatrapei se mia tetoia syzhthsh. Pws apantate;

REPPAS: Oi politikoi arxhgoi exoyn kataqesei erwthseis kai thn Tetarth, sto plaisio ths "Wras toy Prwqypoyrgoy", qa ginei syzhthsh gia to qema ayto sthn opoia qa paroyn meros oloi oi politikoi arxhgoi.

KYRIAKIDOY: Den einai pia mono o Typos poy syzhta to endexomeno na afaireqoyn oi Olympiakoi Agwnes apo thn Ellada, alla akoysame kai melos ths Epitrophs I.O.C na leei oti oi Olympiakoi Agwnes qa protimoyse na epistrecoyn pali sto Sidnei. Yparxei ayto to endexomeno;

REPPAS: Me kaleite na sxoliasw ti epiqymies kai protimhseis exoyn diaforoi paragontes. Sas lew oti emeis etoimazomaste gia thn Olympiada toy 2004. H Olympiada ayth einai eqnikh ypoqesh gia th xwra mas. Afora ton kaqena mas. Qa synergastoyme oloi, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme ton koino skopo: th diorganwsh ths kalyterhs Olympiadas poy egine pote.

KYRIAKIDOY: Epishs, akoysthke apo to Sidnei, oti h ka Aggelopoyloy einai dysaresthmenh kai apeilei pali me paraithsh.

REPPAS: Den exei kanei kamia tetoia dhlwsh h nyjh h ka Aggelopoyloy. Parakalw, ena qema poy exei ena xarakthra eqniko, prepei na to antimetwpizoyme basizomenoi se ayta poy ypeyqyna legontai kai na mhn aixmalwtizomaste apo fhmes h apo syzhthseis oi opoies den exoyn sobaro periexomeno.

MPOYRDARAS: An katalaba kala, sthn erxomenh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy qa lhfqoyn apofaseis, basei meleths apo diafores epitropes, gia qemata ths emporikhs naytilias. Wstoso, ektimate oti proeklogika kai sto programma poy katateqhke apo pleyras toy kybernwntos kommatos, ypogrammizotan oti yparxei sygkekrimeno sxedio kai sygkekrimenh politikh gia ton eksygxronismo ths naysiploias. Ti mesolabhse kai ayto to sxedio, poy yphrxe proeklogika, den teqhke amesws se efarmogh;

REPPAS: To sxedio ayto to opoio proeklogika eixame ejaggeilei, yphrxe kai yparxei kai apotelese th bash, panw sthn opoia anaptyxqhkan oi syzhthseis me tis epitropes stis opoies symmeteixan kai ekproswpoi twn allwn forewn. H kybernhsh exei thn protash ths. Pisteyw oti einai ypeyqyno ayto poy ekane h kybernhsh, na qesei tis protaseis ypoch twn forewn, twn ergodotwn-idiokthtwn kai twn ergazomenwn, prokeimenoy na katalhjoyme se omofwna porismata. Ypo to prisma, loipon, twn syzhthsewn kai twn porismatwn sta opoia katelhjan oi dyo aytes epitropes, qa syzhthsei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, thn Pempth. Sas eipa kai pali, oti ayth thn periodo htan, etsi h alliws, programmatismeno na synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai na labei apofaseis gia qemata emporikhs naytilias. Ayth h tragikh symptwsh, asfalws, dinei enan allo xarakthra. Alla, telos Septembrioy me arxes Oktwbrioy, htan h proqesmia poy eixe teqei, prokeimenoy na kataqesoyn to porisma toys oi epitropes. Ayto, loipon, qa apotelesei kai to antikeimeno ths syzhthshs, me bash thn protash poy ekane h kybernhsh kai tis apofaseis poy elhfqhsan, sto plaisio leitoyrgias aytwn twn epitropwn, wste na diamorfwsoyme ena plhres plaisio gia thn emporikh naytilia sth xwra mas.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Kat` arxhn, qa hqela na rwthsw -bebaia, synagetai ej oswn eipate- oti h kybernhsh einai poly eyxaristhmenh apo th qhteia toy k. Soymakh sto ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias kai thn apodosh toy ergoy toy. Einai etsi;

REPPAS: O k. Soymakhs eixe mia kalh qhteia. Mh me rwthsete giati de symmetexei sto neo kybernhtiko sxhma, giati ayto exete sto myalo sas. Eixe mia kalh qhteia, o peiraikos laos to anagnwrise ayto. O Prwqypoyrgos sygkrothse ena neo ypoyrgiko sxhma, symfwna me tis epiloges poy ekeinos dikaioytai na kanei, enocei mias neas periodoy.

KANELLOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos protiqetai, nomizw oti mono o idios exei to dikaiwma, basei toy arqroy 142 toy Kanonismoy ths Boylhs, an den kanw laqos@

REPPAS: Apanthsa se ayto prin. H dynatothta poy dinetai na symmetasxoyn sth syzhthsh oloi oi politikoi arxhgoi kalyptei kai ayth thn ajiwsh, thn protash toy k. Karamanlh.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Einai allh koinoboyleytikh diadikasia;

REPPAS: Eseis anafereste sto arqro toy Kanonismoy ths Boylhs, to opoio sxetizetai me thn anakoinwsh epi epikairoy qematos apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs, opoy dinetai h dynatothta stoys politikoys arxhgoys na laboyn to logo. Prepei na sas pw oti afoy kai oi treis politikoi arxhgoi ths antipoliteyshs exoyn kataqesei sxetikh erwthsh gia thn ``wra toy Prwqypoyrgoy'', oloi qa laboyn to logo kai h syzhthsh qa exei analogo xarakthra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Periorismenos qa einai, omws..

REPPAS: Kanenan periorismeno xarakthra den qa exei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Periorismenos den qa einai, k. Ypoyrge; Me thn epikairh erwthsh, periorismenos qa einai.

REPPAS: Exei ena analogo xarakthra. An h kybernhsh xrhsimopoioyse to arqro 142 A@ , prokeimenoy na kanei thn anakoinwsh kai na laboyn to logo oi politikoi arxhgoi, ti diaforetiko qa synebaine;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den symmetexoyn twra;

REPPAS: Den symmetexoyn alloi. Oi politikoi arxhgoi exoyn kataqesei erwthsh kai qa laboyn oloi to logo.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Meta th synedriash toy Y.S. , opoy qa exoyn lhfqei kai oi apofaseis gia thn politikh topoqethsh sth Naytilia, mhpws o Prwqypoyrgos qelhsei na epanelqei sto qema ayto kai th diadikasia ayth, prokeimenoy na ginei pio analytikh h syzhthsh.

REPPAS: An o Prwqypoyrgos exei logoys na to kanei, na eiste sigoyros oti qa to kanei. Dioti kaqe prajh mas, kaqe energeia mas prepei na exei enan sygkekrimeno gnwmona: To symferon toy koinwnikoy synoloy. An pragmatika ayto apaitei to symferon toy koinwnikoy synoloy, qa ginei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Poio einai to idiaitero stoixeio twn shmerinwn kai twn dhlwsewn poy kanate meta to atyxhma gia na enisxyqei h ajiopistia twn oswn mas lete edw; To lew giati exw kai mia proswpikh..

REPPAS: Kanete erwthseis krisews.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Oxi, den einai krisews, parakalw poly.

REPPAS: Krisews einai. Diatypwste thn erwthsh sas;

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eipate prohgoymenws, apantwntas ston k. Filh - htan epimeroys qema, alla gia na moy apanthsete- oti htan gnwsto kai oti eprepe 30 Septembrioy na teleiwsei ayth h istoria me ta ploia poy den dieqetan ta mesa pyrosbeshs. H kybernhsh, kaqe mera, leei oti einai kybernhsh toy polith k.l.p. Bghke kapoia anakoinwsh apo to YEN poy na enhmerwnei toys nhsiwtes oti stis 30 Septembrioy den qa kykloforhsoyn ayta ta ploia; Kai giati synedriase to Sabbato to brady o ypoyrgos me toys synergates toy kai den synedriase kapoia allh hmera;

REPPAS: O ypoyrgos exei kaqe logo na synedriazei, opote krinei anagkaio na synedriasei. Mhn kathgorhsoyme toys ypoyrgoys giati synedriazoyn hmeres kai wres poy den einai synhqismeno@

PAPADOPOYLOS: Mhn ypotimate thn erwthsh moy.

REPPAS: Den thn ypotimw. Eseis ypotimate emena me ayta poy qetete me tis erwthseis sas, ypotimate thn apanthsh moy.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ma, moy lete oti h diadikasia egine ajiokratika, xwris na ypologizete thn koinh gnwmh@

REPPAS: Ypologizoyme thn koinh gnwmh.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Pws; Yparxei anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy;

REPPAS: Me epistoles apo to YEN kai malista epanalambanomenes eixan enhmerwqei oi foreis oti exei teqei ayth h proqesmia, entos ths opoias qa prepei na symmorfwqoyn. Ayta einai gnwsta.

BITALHS: Anagkastika epanerxomai se ena qema poy exei anoijei. Exei apasxolhsei thn kybernhsh h thn exei problhmatisei, ap` osa legontai kai grafontai, to gegonos oti telika exei dhmioyrghqei mia etaireia h opoia katexei to monopwlio stis aktoploikes sygkoinwnies, se synqhkes malista eleyqeroy antagwnismoy;

REPPAS: Qa sas parapemcw stis apofaseis poy qa parei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Gia to qema ayto syzhthsame kai thn prohgoymenh ebdomada kai edwsa apanthseis. H agora, bebaiws, einai eleyqerh, o antagwnismos einai eleyqeros. O antagwnismos prepei na einai ygihs kai h agora leitoyrgei me kapoioys kanones, den einai asydoth. Den mporei na parembei kaneis se aytes tis leitoyrgies. An yparxei kati poly sygkekrimeno -opws kathgoria, kataggelia- parakalw na teqei ypoch mas.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Eipate oti h agora einai eleyqerh kai einai swsto ayto poy lete. Wstoso, tis adeies tis xorhgei to YEN. Giati eipate oti kaneis den mporei na parembei. Einai etsi h oxi;

REPPAS: Ola ayta qa ta syzhthsoyme sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Ginetai poly logos gia thn arsh toy prostateytismoy. Qa prepei na sas pw oti ta qemata ayta, ta opoia einai synqeta, prepei na ta antimetwpizoyme me megalh prosoxh giati aforoyn thn oikonomia oloklhrwn perioxwn, aforoyn, bebaiws, to kaqestws ergasias h thn idia thn ergasia sympolitwn mas. Ola qa prepei na antimetwpizontai me gnwmona to eyrytero symferon. Kai, bebaiws, se ayto to symferon protassetai pantote h asfaleia twn politwn. Einai qemata ta opoia qa mas apasxolhsoyn sth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy kai qa laboyme apofaseis, poy pisteyw oti qa einai sthn orqh kateyqynsh.

ANTYPAS: Eipate sthn arxikh sas topoqethsh oti h kybernhsh einai etoimh me prwtoboylies na diasfalisei thn kalh metafora proiontwn. Ejetazete kai politikh epistrateysh twn@

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti qa kanei sxetikes dhlwseis o k. Papantwnioy. Ayth thn wra den qa prokatalabw tis telikes apofaseis ths kybernhshs, alla hmoyn safhs, otan eipa oti qa paroyme oles tis anagkaies prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy h agora na leitoyrghsei omala ston tomea ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lete gia tis adeies. Giati oles tis adeies tis epairne h sygkekrimenh etaireia, mporeite na moy peite;

REPPAS: Qa deite poioi exoyn ekdhlwsei endiaferon, qa deite pws doqhkan oi adeies. Ola ayta ta stoixeia -epanalambanw- einai sth dhmosiothta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati den ta dinete twra@

REPPAS: Einai qema eidikoy reportaz. Edw qa syzhthsoyme pws dinontai oi adeies twn emporikwn ploiwn;

Sas eyxaristw.

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