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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 19 Septembrioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Qa hqela, eisagwgika, milwntas kai ws ypoyrgos Typoy, na sas enhmerwsw oti, apo tis 10 to prwi, eixa mia poly qetikh syzhthsh me to Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs. Paroysiasa sta melh toy tis diatajeis toy nomosxedioy gia to ESR poy prowqoyme sth Boylh. Apotelei mia tolmhrh qesmikh prwtoboylia. Einai mia nomoqetikh parembash -h opoia xronologika erxetai trith sth seira, meta to P.D. 310/1996 kai to nomo 2644/1998- poy allazei to topio sto radiothleoptiko tomea, afoy to ESR apokta aytoteleia se apolyto baqmo, gia na epopteysei to radiothleoptiko xwro.

Epanalambanw oti einai mia shmantikh qesmikh parembash, mia prwtoporiakh nomoqetikh prwtoboylia, gia thn opoia qa exw thn eykairia, se mia wra, na milhsw kai stoys radiothleoptikoys syntaktes, stoys opoioys qa paraxwrhsw synenteyjh sto Zappeio Megaro.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

ANTYPAS: Pws qa diorizontai ta melh toy ESR kai pws qa lambanontai oi apofaseis toy organoy;

REPPAS: To Symboylio, kata tis probleceis toy nomosxedioy, qa sygkroteitai apo thn armodia diarkh koinoboyleytikh epitroph ths Boylhs. Ta melh toy qa epilegontai me pleiochfia 3/5, se prwth chfoforia. H diadikasia sygkrothshs toy organoy -opws problepetai- qa oloklhrwnetai, me eswterikh chfoforia twn melwn sto idio to organo, prokeimenoy na anadeixqoyn o Proedros kai o Antiproedros. Epishs, to ESR apokta plhrh aytoteleia, oson afora thn ekdosh kai thn ektelesh twn apofasewn, xwris na prohgeitai elegxos nomimothtas, pragma to opoio isxyei shmera. To ESR qa exei thn plhrh armodiothta, oson afora th diekperaiwsh ths diadikasias gia th xorhghsh adeiwn se radiofwnikoys kai thleoptikoys staqmoys, pashs morfhs.

MIXAHL: Eseis, dhladh, aplws qa ypografete.

REPPAS: Oxi, akribws, giati h kybernhsh diathrei thn armodiothta na ryqmizei to plaisio askhshs ths politikhs sto radiothleoptiko tomea. Ayto einai epibeblhmeno. Alla, to organo to opoio analambanei na epopteysei thn efarmogh ths politikhs kai na antimetwpisei ola ta epimeroys problhmata einai to ESR. Qa symfwnoysa me to pneyma ths erwthshs sas, giati einai etsi, alla den symfwnw me th diatypwsh akribws. Gi` ayto kanw ayth thn parathrhsh, gia na mhn yparxei paranohsh.

ANTYPAS: Oi apofaseis me ti pleiochfia qa lambanontai;

REPPAS: Me tis pleiochfies me tis opoies leitoyrgoyn ola ta organa, kati to opoio qa problepetai ston kanonismo leitoyrgias, poy qa katartisei to ESR.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws, meta apo ayto qa bgoyn ayta ta P.D. poy epi pente xronia den bgainoyn;

REPPAS: Ta P.D. exoyn bgei. Epanalambanete ayto poy leei o k. Ebert, o opoios agnoei pantelws to qema. To P.D. 310/1996 -to exoyme syzhthsei kat` epanalhch edw- me to opoio idryetai to tmhma Elegxoy-Diafaneias sto ESR, exei ekdoqei apo to 1996. Einai h sympyknwsh, toylaxiston, eji kanonistikwn prajewn poy problepontai sto nomo 2328/1995, me poly shmantikes elegktikes armodiothtes gia to ESR , oi opoies -prepei na pw- den exoyn askhqei. Qa mporoysan na askhqoyn apo to 1996. Sto neo nomosxedio epanalambanetai akribws oti ena apo ta tmhmata poy sygkrotoyntai, sto plaisio leitoyrgias toy ESR, qa einai kai ayto poy afora ta qemata diafaneias. H leitoyrgia aytoy toy tmhmatos kaqorizetai me bash osa exoyme symperilabei sto P.D. 310/1996. Sto ESR sygkrotoyntai, epishs, alla dyo tmhmata: To tmhma gia th nomimothta sth leitoyrgia twn MME kai ena tmhma gia ton elegxo ths poiothtas me bash krishs toys kwdikes deontologias, toys opoioys exei katartisei kai efarmozei to ESR. O k. Ebert, opws kai kapoioi alloi, anaferetai se ayto to qema gia ta P.D. kai profanws agnoei plhrws pws exoyn ta qemata. Exoyn ekdoqei ta P.D. kai einai sth diaqesh sas.

MOYRTZHS: Einai anenerga, omws.

REPPAS: Den einai anenerga. Basei poiwn diatajewn epiballontai kyrwseis; Basei twn diatajewn toy nomoy. Basei poiwn diatajewn proxwrei h diadikasia gia th xorhghsh adeiwn; Basei poiwn diatajewn ekdidontai oi apofaseis gia na kataballoyn ta MME, oi thleoptikoi staqmoi, to antallagma xrhshs gia tis syxnothtes poy xrhsimopoioyn; Ola ayta ginontai. Kai akoyw kapoioys na isxyrizontai oti den efarmozetai o nomos. Eipa ki allh fora, oti o Ypoyrgos Typoy ``adikeitai'' apo ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo, giati asxoleitai me ta qemata olwn twn allwn ypoyrgeiwn kai den proballei ta qemata toy ypoyrgeioy toy! Lypoymai poy to lew, alla gyrw apo ayta ta qemata yparxei plhrhs agnoia. Kai kleinw thn apanthsh moy, legontas oti o k. Ebert prepei na einai pio prosektikos gi` ayta ta qemata. Giati ws ypoyrgos Proedrias, epi kybernhsews N.D., eixe thn eyqynh na efarmosei to nomo 1866/1989, poy eixe chfistei thn periodo ths ypo ton k. Tzannetakh kybernhshs. O nomos aytos proeblepe th synach symbasewn paraxwrhshs, metajy toy Dhmosioy kai epixeirhmatikwn forewn poy drasthriopoioyntai sto radiothleoptiko xwro. Stis symbaseis aytes parepempe o nomos, prokeimenoy ekei na problefqoyn oi oroi kai oi proypoqeseis, basei twn opoiwn qa leitoyrgoysan oi thleoptikoi staqmoi, opws to antallagma xrhshs gia tis syxnothtes poy qa xrhsimopoioysan. Prepei na sas pw oti oi symbaseis paraxwrhshs den ypografhkan pote, me apotelesma argotera na antimetwpisoyme polla nomika problhmata. Dhladh, oi thleoptikoi staqmoi ekeinh thn periodo leitoyrghsan xwris na katabaloyn oyte draxmh sto ellhniko Dhmosio. Den exoyn kapoioi eyqynh gi` ayto, metajy twn opoiwn kai o k. Ebert poy htan ypoyrgos Proedrias; As afhsoyn, loipon, aytes tis eykoles kathgories giati qa breqoyn pro ekplhjewn. Emeis me tis apofaseis poy exoyme ekdwsei exoyme epibalei p.x. stoys eqnikhs embeleias thleoptikoys staqmoys, poy exoyn labei adeies apo to 1993, na kataballoyn ena poso me bash toys isologismoys poy exoyn mexri twra dhmosieysei. To poso ayto fqanei sta 6 disekatommyria draxmes. Yparxoyn polles diafores anamesa ston tropo poy xeirizomaste emeis ta qemata ayta kai ton tropo poy ta xeiristhke h kybernhsh ekeinhs ths periodoy. Yparxoyn kai eyqynes. Ayta, omws, qa ta doyme sthn wra toys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exoyn oristikes adeies;

REPPAS: Epeidh milate gia tis adeies, sas lew oti h diadikasia xorhghshs adeiwn den exei oloklhrwqei. Oi radiothleoptikoi staqmoi leitoyrgoyn nomimws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati den kanate tipota eji xronia;

REPPAS: Kanete laqos. Oi staqmoi leitoyrgoyn nomimws, exoyn chfistei nomoi kai gi` ayto analambanoyn kai tis ypoxrewseis toys. Metajy twn allwn, analambanoyn thn ypoxrewsh na plhrwnoyn to antallagma xrhshs, symfwna me thn apofash poy ekdidei o armodios ypoyrgos. Kai oi apofaseis aytes gia ta MME eqnikhs embeleias aforoyn -opws sas eipa- ena poso ycoys 6 dis. draxmwn. Thn periodo ths N.D. den synhfqhsan aytes oi symbaseis paraxwrhshs, me apotelesma na mhn eispraxqei oyte draxmh apo to ellhniko Dhmosio. Exoyn kapoioi eyqynh gi` ayto h den exoyn;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sas janarwtaw. Exoyn oristikes adeies;

REPPAS: Kamia adeia den einai oristikh. Oles oi adeies exoyn orismenh diarkeia kai oi staqmoi epanakrinontai se takta diasthmata, opws problepei o nomos. H diadikasia gia th xorhghsh adeiwn, oson afora toys thleoptikoys staqmoys, einai eniaia. Giati, oson afora toys thleoptikoys staqmoys, exoyme adeies eqnikhs embeleias, perifereiakhs embeleias kai topikhs embeleias. H prokhryjh gia th xorhghsh adeiwn htan eniaia. Kai eniaia proxwrei kai h diadikasia, me apotelesma na dhmioyrghqoyn kai parejhghseis, san ayth poy apo laqos plhroforhsh -qelw na pisteyw kai na elpizw- ekane synadelfos boyleyths toy Synaspismoy, poy anaferetai se qemata, ta opoia den gnwrizei, me tropo -qa moy epitrecete na pw- politika anepitrepto. Emeis, otan me bash thn prokhryjh, katateqhkan oi fakeloi apo toys endiaferomenoys, kaname enan prwto elegxo. Diapistwsame oti oloi anejairetws eixan problhmata, eixan elleiceis. Me thn chfish toy nomoy 2644, problecame mia ryqmish (sto arqro 19 par.1) basei ths opoias qa mporoysan aytoi oi staqmoi -giati skopos mas den htan na kleisoyme toys thleoptikoys staqmoys kai na kanoyme nea prokhryjh, me apotelesma na exoyme, isws, ta idia problhmata- na exoyn th dynatothta na kataqesoyn symplhrwmatika stoixeia, na kanoyn o,ti prepei, prokeimenoy na prosarmostoyn sthn isxyoysa nomoqesia. Basei ayths ths diadikasias estalh kai stoys 153 thleoptikoys staqmoys sxetiko yphresiako eggrafo. Estalh kai sto sygkekrimeno thleoptiko staqmo, gia ton opoio egine syzhthsh thn teleytaia periodo. Oxi mono s` ayton, alla kai s` ayton, opws kai stoys alloys 152. To eggrafo sto sygkekrimeno staqmo estalh thn idia periodo kata thn opoia antistoixa yphresiaka eggrafa estalhsan kai stoys alloys staqmoys poy diekdikoyn adeia gia thn perifereia Attikhs, opws kai o sygkekrimenos staqmos. Kai ayto to eggrafo anaferetai sto idiokthsiako kaqestws toy sygkekrimenoy staqmoy ekeinhs ths periodoy. Milame gia pente-eji mhnes prin. Den exei kamia sxesh me to idiokthsiako kaqestws poy fainetai na diamorfwnetai twra kai to opoio den elegxoyme emeis. O elegxos askeitai apo to ESR, symfwna me to arqro 1, par.13, toy nomoy 2328, prokeimenoy na apofasisei an einai nomimh h metabolh toy h oxi kai na ekdwsei thn apofash toy. Ara, loipon, egine mia diplh -qelw na pisteyw oxi eskemmenh, para to oti exw logoys na amfiballw an den htan eskemmenh- paranohsh h sygxysh:

Prwton, oti to eggrafo estalh kai stoys 153 thleoptikoys staqmoys poy symmetexoyn sth diadikasia kai, deyteron, oti to eggrafo ayto afora mia allh periodo, ena allo idiokthsiako kaqestws kai oxi to sygkekrimeno gia to opoio diatypwqhke aytoy toy eidoys h kritikh. Gi` ayto, loipon, se ayta ta qemata, otan den ta gnwrizoyme, prepei na eimaste poly prosektikoi. Prepei na diasfalisoyme to dhmosio symferon, me tropo poy qa einai symfwnos me tis arxes enos kratoys dikaioy.

ANTYPAS: Epeidh den exw kalyfqei, pws qa lambanontai oi apofaseis; Me poia pleiochfia; Qa einai ayjhmenh pleiochfia; Rwtw gia sygkekrimenes apofaseis. Prwton, gia thn epibolh kyrwsewn kai deyteron, th xorhghsh adeiwn.

REPPAS: Me aplh pleiochfia qa lambanontai oi apofaseis sto ESR, opws se ola ta symboylia, ektos apo tis eidikes periptwseis poy o nomos problepei kati diaforetiko. O kanonismos leitoyrgias qa ta problepei ola ayta.

MIXAHL: Me osa se ayto to nomosxedio problepontai, toy opoioy malista tis diatajeis qa tis anakoinwsete ligo argotera stoys synadelfoys, ektimate oti kalyptei plhrws tis aitiaseis ths Antipoliteyshs peri katoxyrwshs ths diafaneias;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti jepernoyn, kata poly, tis protaseis poy exoyn diatypwqei kata kairoys. Emeis, apo thn prwth stigmh, meta tis ekloges, eipame oti, se ena diasthma eji mhnwn, prepei na exoyme oloklhrwsei mia desmh drasewn kai parembasewn sto radiothleoptiko tomea. Ayto ginetai. Mia apo tis parembaseis aytes -h pio shmantikh, isws- einai akribws h kataqesh aytoy toy nomosxedioy, poy jeperna -epanalambanw- tis prosdokies olwn ekeinwn oi opoioi miloyn gia ena ESR poy einai anejarthth Arxh.

MIXAHL: Afoy, loipon, qa yparxei ayto to nomosxedio, to opoio qa ferete sth Boylh, ektimate eseis ws kybernhtikos ekproswpos kai ws ypoyrgos Typoy oti den xreiazontai oi epipleon syntagmatikes katoxyrwseis, gia tis opoies ginetai syzhthsh sth Boylh sto plaisio ths diadikasias gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos; Giati polloi synadelfoi sas kai polla kybernhtika stelexh, ekfrazoyn thn apoch oti den xreiazontai toso aysthres syntagmatikes katoxyrwseis. Me dedomeno, loipon, oti yparxei ayto to neo nomosxedio to opoio eyelpisteite oti qa chfistei, pisteyete oti den xreiazontai aytes oi syntagmatikes katoxyrwseis;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, sth syzhthsh gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos qa problefqei h katoxyrwsh toy ESR ws anejarthths Arxhs. Ayth einai h politikh ths kybernhshs. Ws ths Arxhs ekeinhs poy epopteyei ta toy radiothleoptikoy tomea. Deyteron, to qema twn kanonwn poy qa isxyoyn gia th leitoyrgia twn Meswn Enhmerwshs kai eyrytera twn epixeirhsewn sth radiothleoptikh agora -giati den einai mono ta MME, einai kai alles epixeirhseis, opws oi diafhmistikes k.t.l.- apofasizetai apo th Boylh. To plaisio orizetai apo th Boylh twn Ellhnwn kai apotypwnetai sto Syntagma kai toys nomoys. To ESR kaleitai na efarmosei ayto to plaisio. Den to dhmioyrgei. H Politeia diamorfwnei to plaisio. An qelete, twra, th dikh moy apolytws proswpikh apoch, gia ola ayta ta qemata -thn exw anaptyjei kat` epanalhch, akomh kai prin apo liges hmeres se ayth thn aiqoysa- pisteyw oti h egkaqidrysh ths arxhs ths oikogeneiakhs eyqynhs einai mia poly tolmhrh qesh, h opoia, mallon, problhmata dhmioyrgei para lynei. Einai kati poy den isxyei se opoiadhpote allh sygxronh xwra. Den isxyei sthn Ellada, edw kai para polla xronia. Einai kati poy prepei na antimetwpisoyme me poly megalh prosoxh.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Hqela na sas rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh symmerizetai tis apoceis toy ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs k. Mixalh Staqopoyloy, opws aytos tis ejefrase sth synenteyjh toy, xqes se radiofwniko staqmo, legontas oti paei poly makria to na katoxyrwqei asymbibasto -me th syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh- gia toys idiokthtes MME kai toys syggeneis toys.

REPPAS: Einai apoceis tis opoies mporei na ejetasei kaneis me megalh prosoxh. Exoyn endiaferon. H qesh ths koinoboyleytikhs pleiochfias gnwrizete oti exei ekfrastei kai exei apotypwqei se keimeno. H syzhthsh poy kaname, molis prin edw, brisketai -mporei na pei kaneis- se ena analogo mhkos kymatos, oson afora thn oikogeneiakh eyqynh. Ayto einai to qema to opoio prepei na mas apasxolhsei: ean egkaqidryetai h oikogeneiakh eyqynh. An, dhladh, ta proswpa payoyn na exoyn thn aytoteleia toys kai apo thn wra poy yparxei enas syggenikos desmos, aytomatws exoyn desmeyseis kai ypoxrewseis poy katalyoyn thn aytoteleia toys.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw symplhrwmatika: Oi apoceis toy ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs k. Staqopoyloy, erxontai mallon se antiqesh me o,ti eishgeitai o kentrikos eishghths.

REPPAS: Oi qeseis ths pleiochfias, sas eipa, mas ekfrazoyn kai exoyn apotypwqei. Apo ekei kai pera, sth syzhthsh ayth, tetoies apoceis einai xrhsimes. Mh sas diafeygei oti ola ayta ta qemata qa apasxolhsoyn th Boylh kai bebaiws, qa tyxoyn peraiterw epejergasias.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Epeidh, apo o,ti fainetai edw h mish kybernhsh diafwnei me ayth th diatajh. Eseis ws kaq` ylhn armodios ypoyrgos diafwneite. O k. Staqopoylos diafwnei. Diafwnoyn kai para polloi alloi. Qa teqei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias gia na chfistei ayth h diatajh;

REPPAS: Kanena tetoio qema den tiqetai. Sas eipa oti ekfrazomaste apo th qesh ths pleiochfias, opws diatypwqhke. Htan safh ayta ta opoia eipa kai mhn ta diastreblwnete, sas parakalw, giati antilambaneste ti problhma dhmioyrgeitai xwris logo. Apo ekei kai pera, sas eipa epishs poies einai oi apoceis oi opoies prepei na tyxoyn prosoxhs. Kai telos sas eipa, diatypwnontas tis proswpikes apoceis moy -hmoyn safhs se ayto, qa deite kai to keimeno otan apomagnhtofwnhqei- oti ayta ta qemata prepei na ta proseggizoyme me poly megalh kai idiaiterh prosoxh. Einai safes ayto.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Milhsate gia pleiochfies kai meiochfies. Poia einai h meiochfia kai poia h pleiochfia mesa sthn kybernhsh, se o,ti afora ayth th diatajh;

REPPAS: Den milhsa gia meiochfies kai pleiochfies sthn kybernhsh!

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Eipate oti h pleiochfia@

REPPAS: Eipa oti h qesh ths koinoboyleytikhs pleiochfias sth Boylh exei diatypwqei kai mas ekfrazei oloys. Kanete laqos.

KOYIN: Xqes, to KKE kathggeile thn kybernhsh gia parembash sta eswterika allhs xwras. Qelw na sas rwthsw, mhpws me thn apofash toy k. Papandreoy, oysiastika na sthrijei th gioygkoslabikh antipoliteysh, kleinei kaqe diaylo epikoinwnias me th xwra ayth, se periptwsh poy kerdisei o k. Milosebits;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti o diaylos epikoinwnias einai anoiktos kai qa parameinei anoiktos, se kaqe ejelijh. Kata ta alla, h E.E. kai emeis -to exei tonisei o k. Papandreoy, kata thn ekei episkech toy, se oloys toys paragontes ths politikhs zwhs ths Gioygkoslabias kai ston k. Milosebits- endiaferomaste oi ekloges na ginoyn me dhmokratikes diadikasies. Na mhn yparjei opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh gia to eklogiko apotelesma. Ayto einai poy endiaferei tis xwres ths Eyrwphs. Gi` ayto, akribws, h qesh olwn mas den mporei para na einai ayth: dhmokratikes ekloges sth Gioygkoslabia. O laos ths Gioygkoslabias qa apofasisei. Ayto einai bebaio. Kai moy epitrepete, epishs, na pw -mias kai eteqh prin apo meres analogo erwthma- oti ayto egine qema syzhthshs sto Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn, proxqes. Apo thn Ellada ginetai syzhthsh an qa metaboyn ekei, ws parathrhtes, melh toy Ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy. Mporei apo diafores xwres ths Eyrwphs na metaboyn boyleytes, prokeimenoy na diadramatisoyn to rolo toy parathrhth kata tis ekloges sth Gioygkoslabia. Ayto, bebaiws, qa ginei se synennohsh me tis gioygkoslabikes arxes kai den apotelei kamia parembash sto eswteriko mias allhs xwras.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh einai yper ths koinoboyleytikhs dhmokratias;

REPPAS: Apolytws.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Sto plaisio ayths ths proeklogikhs antilhchs poy exete gia thn koinoboyleytikh dhmokratia, entassetai ws metro proeklogikhs taktikhs o ekbiasmos.

REPPAS: Kamia sxesh me otidhpote mporei kapoios na xarakthrisei ws ekbiasmo.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Mporeite na moy peite pws qa antidroyse h kybernhsh sas, ean enas ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn allhs xwras elege oti "an den chfisete ton k. Karamanlh, tote qa sas kanoyme empargko";

REPPAS: Exete diatypwsei eseis opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh h exete amfibolia gia to an ginontai dhmokratika oi ekloges sthn Ellada h an akoloyqoyntai oi dhmokratikes diadikasies; Exete diatypwsei tetoia kathgoria; Egw gnwrizw oti to ekane h N.D. milwntas gia noqeia. Den exw akoysei apo to KKE h apo to Synaspismo h apo allo komma otidhpote sxetiko.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Opws kai na to emfanizete, h apofash sthn opoia prwtostathse xqes o ypoyrgos twn Ejwterikwn -dhlwsh toy einai ayth, oti eixe thn prwtoboylia gia to keimeno ayto- leei oti ean oi gioygkoslaboi den chfisoyn kati diaforetiko apo to Milosebits, qa peqanoyn apo thn peina, logw empargko. Ayto, den einai epembash sta eswterika xwras triths, kyriarxhs kai anejarthths;

REPPAS: O k. Papandreoy episkefqhke prosfata to Beligradi. Yparxei -epanalambanw- anoiktos diaylos epikoinwnias. Emeis epiqymoyme h Gioygkoslabia na einai mia sygxronh koinoboyleytikh dhmokratia. Kai se ayth thn kateyqynsh qa bohqhsoyme, wste h politikh zwh ths geitonikhs kai filhs xwras na ejomalynqei apolytws, kata ta protypa twn allwn eyrwpaikwn dhmokratiwn.

KOYIN: H kybernhsh qa anagnwrisei to apotelesma twn eklogwn sth Gioygkoslabia;

REPPAS: To apotelesma twn eklogwn sth Gioygkoslabia, aytos poy mporei na to diamorfwsei einai o kyriarxos laos ths Gioygkoslabias, poy qa chfisei. Efoson, pragmatika, oi ekloges einai dhmokratikes, h kybernhsh h opoia qa prokycei qa einai mia kybernhsh poy qa tyxei ths anagnwrishs olwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poios qa krinei an oi ekloges qa einai dhmokratikes sth Gioygkoslabia;

REPPAS: Qelete, apo twra, na syzhthsoyme ti qa ginei meta apo kapoies hmeres sth Gioygkoslabia;

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qa kriqei ek toy apotelesmatos, k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Emeis epiqymoyme na einai dhmokratikes oi ekloges sth Gioygkoslabia kai epiqymoyme dhmokratikes ekloges na ginontai se oles tis xwres toy kosmoy. Na yparxoyn dhmokratika syntagmata ta opoia na efarmozontai. Ayto epiqymoyme kai sthn kateyqynsh ayth eimaste etoimoi na symbaloyme me tis dikes mas dynameis.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Mporeite na moy peite poia einai ta krithria ta opoia an den ekplhrwqoyn, h ellhnikh kybernhsh qa qewrei mh dhmokratikes tis ekloges sth Gioygkoslabia;

REPPAS: Oi ekloges sth Gioygkoslabia -symballoyme ki emeis- pisteyoyme na einai dhmokratikes.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Ta krithria ta jerete na mas ta peite;

REPPAS: Ta krithria poy isxyoyn se oles tis xwres ths Eyrwphs, opoy pragmatika mporei na pei kaneis oti exoyme tis pleon prohgmenes koinoboyleytikes dhmokraties.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Ean eklegei o Milosebits, pragma to opoio den epiqymei h ellhnikh kybernhsh@;

REPPAS: Einai ypochfios o k. Milosebits kai mia piqanothta einai na eklegei o k. Milosebits. Oloi oi ypochfioi exoyn piqanothta na eklegoyn. Eseis gnwrizete kapoioys poy katerxontai se ekloges gia na mhn eklegoyn; Den nomizw na yparxoyn!

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qa to apodexqeite to apotelesma ayto;

REPPAS: Asfalws! Meta apo dhmokratikes ekloges, opoiondhpote kai an anadeijoyn sthn hgesia ayths ths xwras, oles oi alles xwres prepei na apodexqoyn to apotelesma ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To stelexos toy PASOK, o k. Arsenhs, kai prwhn ypoyrgos se polla ypoyrgeia -kai sto Amynas- mila twra gia allagh strathgikhs kai gia poreia poy akoloyqeitai, h opoia einai epikindynh gia to mellon toy Ellhnismoy. Mila gia katarghsh toy dogmatos toy eniaioy amyntikoy xwroy gia thn Kypro, gia anatroph ths eqnikhs strathgikhs. Ta idia peripoy, oxi toso sklhra, eipe kai o k. Giannopoylos, oti diafwnei me thn politikh poy akoloyqei o k. Papandreoy kai o k. Shmiths. O k. Giannopoylos eipe kai gia to qema Otsalan, eipe kai gia to qema ayto ths Gioygkoslabias. Ti apantate;

REPPAS: Einai oi apoceis toys, oi opoies einai sebastes. Einai shmantika stelexh. Mporoyn na diatypwsoyn apoceis kai na krinoyn, opws krinontai gia tis apoceis kai tis epiloges toys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exei allajei h strathgikh;

REPPAS: H strathgikh poy akoloyqoyme einai ayth poy apofasizetai sta kybernhtika kai kommatika organa ta teleytaia xronia. Exei thn egkrish toy ellhnikoy laoy, opws edeijan oi prosfates ekloges. Einai h monh strathgikh, oxi gia thn kybernhsh, alla gia thn Ellada kai ton Ellhnismo ws synolo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kala, den to katalabainoyn aytoi oi dyo prwhn ypoyrgoi ayto kai diafwnoyn kai diamartyrontai kai kataggelloyn; Einai ston kybernhtiko xwro.

REPPAS: Gi` ayto qa rwthsete toys idioys poy ekfrazoyn tis apoceis, gia tis opoies toso megalo endiaferon deixnete. Giati rwtate emena; Asfalws to katalabainoyn! Kai gi` ayto, akribws, sthrijan kai sthrizoyn ayth thn kybernhsh.

MPOTWNHS: Xqes, o k. Skandalidhs, erwthqeis gia tis ypografes boyleytwn toy PASOK sto dhmochfisma ths Ekklhsias, eipe oti einai politiko laqos. Thn idia apoch exei kai o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Egw gnwrizw oti einai politika orqh h epilogh poy ekane h kybernhsh. Kai thn epilogh ayth ths kybernhshs th sthrizei to synolo ths koinoboyleytikhs pleiochfias ths paratajhs mas. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, kaqenas kanei eleyqera tis epiloges toy kai kaqenas krinetai gia tis epiloges aytes. H diatypwsh mias krishs einai apolyto dikaiwma gia ton kaqena.

GIAKOYMHS: Xqes, anaferqhkate me kolakeytika logia gia to endexomeno synergasias me ton k. Soyflia@

REPPAS: Den eipa ayto to pragma, parakalw poly.

GIAKOYMHS: Me kolakeytika logia anaferqhkate.

REPPAS: Milhsa gia ton k. Soyflia, oxi gia to endexomeno synergasias. Allo to ena, allo to allo.

GIAKOYMHS: Qelw, loipon, na sas rwthsw, ean sto klima ayto entassetai kai o k. Manos.

REPPAS: Pws krinw ton k. Mano; Dhladh, me exete anadeijei se ajiologhth kai baqmologhth twn politikwn paragontwn ths xwras; O k. Manos einai epikefalhs enos kommatos, toy opoioy to programma -para to oti oi apoceis poy o idios diatypwnei kata kairoys exoyn endiaferon- einai se diaforetikh kateyqynsh apo to programma ths kybernhshs mas kai thn politikh poy efarmozoyme.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Syntoma sta koinoboyleytika edrana qa kaqisoyn neoi boyleytes toy PASOK, oi opoioi oso kairo den htan boyleytes me qeseis kai apoceis toys, diaforopoioyntan apo thn kybernhtikh politikh se polla zhthmata. Problhmatizei ayto thn kybernhsh; Qa yparjei mia allagh dynamewn;

REPPAS: Kaqoloy. Ayta ta qemata -epeidh eiste neoteros apo emena se ayth thn aiqoysa- prepei na sas pw oti mas apasxolhsan polles fores thn prohgoymenh koinoboyleytikh periodo, me aformh th diatypwsh apocewn apo diaforoys boyleytes h stelexh toy PASOK. Ayto den mas empodise na proxwrhsoyme, me syntetagmenh poreia, na exoyme ena nikhforo eklogiko apotelesma kai na prowqhsoyme mia politikh thn opoia exoyme apofasisei ws aparaithth, ws anagkaia gia thn proodo ths xwras. Den mas dhmioyrgei, loipon, kanena problhmatismo ayto. Oi boyleytes, se ena dhmokratiko komma kai sto plaisio dhmokratikoy politeymatos, lene eleyqera tis apoceis toys. Alliws den einai boyleytes. Einai ferefwna.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Stoys hdh yparxontes boyleytes, poy diafwnoyn, toy kybernwntos kommatos, prostiqentai kai akoma merikoi, oi opoioi@

REPPAS: Oi boyleytes poy eklexqhkan me th shmaia toy PASOK, sthrizoyn apolyta thn kybernhsh kai ayto deixnei oti h kybernhsh mas qa oloklhrwsei me epityxia th qhteia ths kai qa kerdisei kai tis epomenes ekloges.

MIXAHL: Osoi xasoyn tis edres toys kai einai melh ths kybernhshs, qa parameinoyn;

REPPAS: Exoyme kapoia apofash h opoia sas odhgei se ayto to symperasma;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Bebaiws.

REPPAS: Gia poion;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den emeine o Berelhs;

REPPAS: Anafereste sthn prohgoymenh koinoboyleytikh periodo. Gia poion allon exete kati ypoch sas; Den qa prokatalabw apofaseis toy Eklogodikeioy.

MIXAHL: Exei anakoinwqei apo to Eklogodikeio, loipon, poioi xanoyn tis edres toys@

REPPAS: Sas parakalw poly. Eishghseis exoyn ginei gnwstes, oxi apofaseis.

MIXAHL: Kai apofaseis oi opoies den exoyn kaqarografei kai den exoyn koinopoihqei, basei ths diadikasias toy nomoy. Dhladh, jerei h kybernhsh, ontws, oti h k. Milena Apostolakh kai o k. Kaiserlhs xanoyn tis edres toys. Den exei erqei to epishmo xarti sta xeria sas. Ayto, malista. Kai erwtw, loipon@

REPPAS: Gia thn k. Apostolakh den exoyme apanthsei; Stis periptwseis poy exei ekdoqei apofash, sas exoyme dwsei apanthsh. Ekei poy den exei ekdoqei apofash, den mporei na yparxei apanthsh. H kybernhsh synexizei me thn paroysa synqesh ths.

Sas eyxaristw.

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