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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 19 Ioylioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Qa moy epitrecete na kanw dyo sxolia:

Oson afora dhmosieymata, ta opoia anaferontai sta epidomata twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn kai thn endexomenh katarghsh toys, prepei na sas pw oti tetoio qema den yfistatai. Gnwrizete poly kala oti exei eisaxqei o qesmos twn syllogikwn diapragmateysewn kai sto Dhmosio. Htan ena palaio aithma toy syndikalistikoy kinhmatos twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn. Exei qesmoqethqei apo thn kybernhsh ayto to metro kai sto plaisio toy dialogoy poy ginetai gia tis syllogikes diapragmateyseis kai sto Dhmosio, antimetwpizontai ola ta qemata kai to sygkekrimeno. Twra, pleon, ta epidomata einai to apotelesma dialogoy, diapragmateyshs metajy ths kybernhshs kai twn ergazomenwn. Ara, den tiqetai qema katarghshs epidomatwn. Isa-isa oi ergazomenoi exoyn th dynatothta na diapragmateytoyn me thn kybernhsh ta epidomata poy qa laboyn.

Ena deytero qema sto opoio qelw, epishs, na anaferqw einai ayto poy afora thn kataskeyh ypodomwn kai odikwn diktywn kai th diadikasia twn diodiwn. Gnwrizete poly kala oti apo to G@ KPS afenos kai afeteroy apo eqnikoys poroys -dhmosioys kai idiwtikoys- exoyme th dynatothta ta epomena xronia na xrhmatodothsoyme ena terastio anaptyjiako ergo. To kondyli ayto eggizei ta 16 trisekatommyria draxmes. H logikh, sygxronh kai apotelesmatikh meqodos poy akoloyqeitai gia thn kataskeyh diktywn kai dromwn einai h meqodos ths sygxrhmatodothshs. Symfwna me th meqodo ayth, to Dhmosio kataballei peripoy to 20% toy synolikoy kostoys. Oi idiwtes poy analambanoyn ena ergo kataballoyn ena allo pososto poy kymainetai synhqws apo 20 ews 30%. Ta ypoloipa xrhmata ejasfalizontai apo thn Eyrwpaikh Trapeza Ependysewn kai apo emporikes Trapezes, ypo morfh daneiwn. H meqodos ayth mas dinei th dynatothta na diaqetoyme ta terastia posa, ta opoia etsi apeleyqerwnontai apo to Dhmosio gia thn kataskeyh allwn ergwn, se alloys kladoys h se alles perifereies. Opws p.x., gia to neo aerodromio sta Spata, toy opoioy o proypologismos fqanei ta 700 disekatommyria draxmes, to Dhmosio kataballei peripoy 120 disekatommyria draxmes. Qa mporoyse na dwsei to synolo toy posoy h na symmetexei me poly megalytero pososto. Einai, omws, poly logiko ta xrhmata ta opoia den desmeyoyme se ayto to ergo, na ta exoyme sth diaqesh mas, prokeimenoy na enisxysoyme etsi alles perifereies me thn kataskeyh diktywn kai ypodomwn se aytes. Taytoxrona, oi idiwtes-epixeirhmaties, poy analambanoyn thn kataskeyh enos ergoy, exoyn kai th diaxeirish toy gia ena orismeno xroniko diasthma. Oi de xrhstes toy ergoy einai aytoi poy stadiaka to apoplhrwnoyn, opws symbainei me ta diodia, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh. Epeidh, ginetai pollh syzhthsh gia to qema ayto, prepei na pw oti to kerdos kai gia toys xrhstes einai terastio. Giati qa prepei na synypologisete thn taxythta me thn opoia pleon qa kinoyntai se ena odiko diktyo, to opoio qa einai sygxrono, thn asfaleia me thn opoia qa kinoyntai, kaqws kai tis kalyteres synqhkes poy ejasfalizontai gia ta oxhmata toys, afoy qa apofeygontai fqores. Epishs, einai kai ena dikaio metro, na analambanoyn thn apoplhrwmh enos ergoy aytoi poy einai xrhstes toy ergoy kai oxi polites poy den exoyn opoiadhpote synafeia me to ergo ayto. Einai mia poly logikh epilogh ayth. Isxyei dieqnws kai sthn patrida mas. Oi times twn diodiwn paramenoyn sto idio epipedo apo to 1996. Sthn Eyrwph, prepei na sas pw oti kinoyntai, synhqws, se ena epipedo 18-20 draxmwn ana xiliometro. Sthn patrida mas, oi ychloteres times twn diodiwn sto dromo pros thn Tripolh, fqanoyn shmera tis 11 draxmes ana xiliometro. Ara, loipon, den dikaiologeitai opoiadhpote kathgoria ston tomea ayto. Qa exoyme sygxrona diktya, ypodomes. Kai nomizw oti kalo einai na exoyme polla kai kala erga, xrhsimopoiwntas ayth th meqodo poy einai h monh poy mporei na mas odhghsei se ayto to apotelesma.

Sas enhmerwnw oti einai se ejelijh h synanthsh toy ypoyrgoy Ergasias me toys ekproswpoys twn ergazomenwn. Qa syzhthsoyn qemata poy aforoyn thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos ths anergias. Exoyme, kat` epanalhch, anaptyjei thn kentrikh qesh mas, thn opoia qa epanalabw poly syntoma: Stoxos mas einai na antimetwpisoyme th mastiga ths anergias. Prepei na ejasfalisoyme polles xiliades nees qeseis apasxolhshs, giati h anergia einai mia mastiga poy odhgei se koinwniko apokleismo kai qrymmatizei thn koinwnikh synoxh. Emeis qa prepei na skeftoyme th megalh kathgoria twn anergwn sympolitwn mas, ekeinoys poy briskontai ektos twn teixwn kai anamenoyn apo emas na frontisoyme, wste na ejasfalisoyn mia qesh ergasias. Den einai proswpiko roysfeti to na ejasfalisei kapoios mia qesh ergasias. Einai ena eqniko ergo, ena titanio ergo, to opoio omws qa prepei na feroyme se peras. Kai qa to feroyme se peras me th synergasia olwn twn pleyrwn. Kaqenas apo toys etairoys qa prepei na analabei to meridio ths eyqynhs toy. To kratos, asfalws, analambanei sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies. Exoyme milhsei gia thn yperbash grafeiokratikwn empodiwn, gia thn analhch enos posostoy twn ergodotikwn eisforwn, me analogh meiwsh toys, prokeimenoy na ginei pio antagwnistikh h agora ergasias sth xwra mas. Oi epixeirhseis, polles apo tis opoies exoyn terastia yperkerdh, thn teleytaia periodo, qa prepei na symbaloyn sthn kateyqynsh ayth, gia th dhmioyrgia pollwn xiliadwn qesewn apasxolhshs. Bebaiws, kai oi ergazomenoi apo thn pleyra toys qa prepei, skeptomenoi toys anergoys sympolites mas, na diatypwsoyn protaseis poy odhgoyn se ayto to stoxo. Den qa prepei na parameinoyme se mia arnhtikh kai amyntikh qesh, alla qa prepei na eimaste dhmioyrgikoi, qetikoi, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme ayto to meizon koinwniko kai eqniko @qa elega- problhma. Ayth einai h qesh mas kai sto plaisio ayto zhtoyme na jekinhsei kai na ejelixqei o koinwnikos dialogos.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MPOTWNHS: Ti anagkase thn kybernhsh kai anoigei to fakelo ths ekklhsiastikhs perioysias se mia xronikh stigmh poy oi sxeseis Politeias-Ekklhsias einai sto katwtero shmeio;

REPPAS: Kat` epanalhch exoyme milhsei gia thn anagkh na jekinhsei enas qesmikos dialogos anamesa sthn Politeia kai thn Ierarxia gia qemata poy aforoyn tis metajy toys sxeseis. Qemata poy mporei na apotelesoyn to pedio synanthshs twn dyo pleyrwn gia thn ejeyresh twn kalyterwn lysewn, se problhmata ta opoia etsi kai alliws yfistantai, opws oloi anagnwrizoyme. To sygkekrimeno qema mporei na einai ena ej ekeinwn ta opoia qa symperilhfqoyn se mia tetoia atzenta. To nomiko kaqestws, to opoio egkaqidryqhke kata ta telh ths dekaetias toy `80 paramenei anenerges. Tote apofasisthke h apodosh ths ekklhsiastikhs kai monasthriakhs -oxi astikhs- perioysias sto Dhmosio, me taytoxronh ypoxrewsh toy Dhmosioy na analabei th misqodosia toy klhroy, twn ierwmenwn olwn twn baqmidwn. Ta P.D., poy problepontai se ayto to nomo toy 1988 den exoyn ekdoqei. Eginan syzhthseis sto plaisio ths epitrophs poy sygkrothqhke me ekproswpoys twn dyo pleyrwn. To ergo twn epitropwn den oloklhrwqhke. Paramenei en ypnwsei o nomos aytos. Einai ena qema poy mporei na apasxolhsei tis dyo pleyres, sto plaisio enos qesmikoy dialogoy, poy emeis pisteyoyme oti qa prepei na jekinhsei syntoma kai na oloklhrwqei me kalh pisth, me gonima apotelesmata poy kai oi dyo pleyres epidiwkoyn.

KOYIN: H ayjhsh sta diodia einai 200%. Qa hqela na rwthsw ean exei skefqei h kybernhsh ti epiptwseis mporei na exei stis dieqneis metafores poy ginontai mesw Elladas;

REPPAS: Exoyn ektimhqei oles oi parametroi. Prepei na sas pw oti otan exoyme sygxrona kai asfalh diktya, h metafora, mesw aytwn twn diktywn, ginetai pio ``elkystikh'', as moy epitrapei na pw. Ara, exoyme terastia ofelh, se sxesh me to kostos, to opoio nai men ayjanetai, alla pantws se poly mikrotero baqmo apo oti to ofelos, poy -epanalambanw- einai terastio.

TAKHS: To Grafeio Typoy ths Arxiepiskophs ejedwse mia anakoinwsh, prin apo ligo, me thn opoia apanta ston k. Xythrh, oson afora to ``opisqen olotaxws'', kai leei oti profanws o k. Xythrhs, mh gnwrizontas to plhres keimeno twn dhlwsewn, parasyrqhke se esfalmenes ermhneies kai anakribh symperasmata, poy ekqetoyn ton idio kai thn kybernhsh. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

REPPAS: O k. Xythrhs milhse swsta. Eipe oti h paradosh exei isxyrh paroysia shmera. Den xreiazetai na gyrisoyme sto parelqon, stis phges ths paradoshs. H paradosh mas einai zwntanh, einai stoixeio ths shmerinhs koinwnikhs pragmatikothtas. To eqniko, koinwniko, pneymatiko kai hqiko fortio ths xwras mas einai poly megalo kai den einai antikeimeno mias anoysias latreias. Einai stoixeio ths kaqhmerinhs zwhs twn politwn. Kata ta alla, paramenw se mia qesh poy kai palaiotera exw diatypwsei, oti to parelqon anhkei sthn istoria kai toys istorikoys. H politikh einai afosiwmenh sta problhmata poy antimetwpizei h xwra kai o poliths shmera, prokeimenoy na oikodomhsoyme to mellon. Emeis, loipon, asxoloymaste me to mellon. Me to parelqon asxoloyntai oi istorikoi.

TAKHS: O k. Xythrhs milhse xqes gia xoynta, antikommoynismo, gia basileia kai ola ayta, bebaiws, erxontai ws apotelesma kai prohgoymenwn dhmosieymatwn poy exoyn dei to fws kai aforoyn th drash toy Arxiepiskopoy, sthn periodo ths diktatorias.

REPPAS: Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. H anafora toy Arxiepiskopoy htan sxetikh me thn paradosh ths xwras mas kai toy laoy mas. O k. Xythrhs me ayto to opoio eipe, tonise oti h paradosh einai kai shmera paroysa, einai zwntanh, einai zwogonos phgh, den xreiazetai na gyrisoyme sto parelqon gia na anazhthsoyme thn paradosh mas. H paradosh den exei nekrwqei. Giati ean dexqoyme ayth th qesh einai san na leme oti exoyme, pleon, apokopei apo tis rizes mas, oti eimaste enas laos, mia xwra h opoia den exei zwntanh paradosh. Ayto einai kati poy den isxyei kai den to dexomaste.

TAKHS: Nai, alla, ta peri ``xoyntas'', ``basileias'' kai ``antikommoynismoy'' poy eipe;

REPPAS: Anaferqhke se prohgoymenes periodoys. Gnwrizete oti h istorikh allhloyxia einai ayth akribws. Omws, den exei sxesh to ena me to allo.

ELENOPOYLOS: Epeidh to kaqestws ths 10etias toy 1980 paramenei anenerges kai epeidh o eis ek twn dyo symballomenwn, dhladh, h Politeia exei thn ypoxrewsh na katabalei toys misqoys ston klhro, mhpws qa prepei prwta h kybernhsh na analabei thn prwtoboylia na kalesei thn Ekklhsia@

REPPAS: Ayto einai ena qema to opoio qa prepei na syzhthsoyn oi dyo pleyres me cyxraimo kai nhfalio tropo. Gnwrizete oti analhfqhke prwtoboylia apo thn pleyra twn monasthriwn, prosefygan sta Dikasthria kai exoyn ejasfalisei apofaseis poy dikaiwnoyn tis qeseis toys. Ayto mhn to parablepete. Otan qetete etsi thn erwthsh, dinete thn entypwsh oti yparxei ypoxrewsh, apo thn pleyra ths Ekklhsias, enw h Politeia exei ekplhrwsei tis ypoxrewseis ths. Yparxoyn apofaseis dikasthriwn poy den prepei na agnooyme. Gi ayto akribws milame gia enan kalopisto kai nhfalio dialogo, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn ola ayta ta qemata.

ELENOPOYLOS: Ara, to kalopistos den afora thn erwthsh moy, afora th stash@

REPPAS: Milw genika. O dialogos pantote prepei na einai kalopistos kai nhfalios gia ola ta qemata. Anamesa sta qemata poy mporei na syzhthqoyn einai kai ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Otan lete oti o nomos einai en ypnwsei, ti ennoeite;

REPPAS: Einai anenerges ayto to nomiko plaisio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa to energopoihsete;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti einai ena qema, to opoio mporei na apotelesei antikeimeno syzhthshs, sto plaisio enos qesmikoy dialogoy, opws ton periegraca prin.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qetei h kybernhsh qema ekklhsiastikhs perioysias;

REPPAS: Ma, to exei qesei h Ekklhsia. Metajy twn qematwn poy qelei na syzhthsoyme h Ekklhsia einai kai ayto. Apo th dikh ths skopia, bebaiws kai me allh kateyqynsh. Giati, exei kai h Ekklhsia ta epixeirhmata ths kai ayto den prepei na diafeygei apo polloys, oi opoioi profanws den gnwrizoyn tis leptomereies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla giati to ``bgazei'' twra;

REPPAS: Den ``bgazei'' kaneis kati twra. Einai ena apo ta qemata poy yphrxan kai yparxoyn kai mporei na apotelesoyn antikeimeno syzhthshs, sto plaisio enos qesmikoy dialogoy. Den qesame kapoio neo qema. H idia h Ekklhsia qelei na syzhthqei to qema ayto kai emeis, bebaiws, symfwnoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayth thn periodo poy qetete qema ekklhsiastikhs perioysias, einai ekbiasmos gia to qema twn taytothtwn;

REPPAS: Ayth einai h apoch sas, h opoia den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta, giati den gnwrizete to qema, to agnoeite pantelws. Ayto katalabainw.

KOYIN: Ap` o,ti gnwrizw h kybernhsh syzhtoyse to qema ths ekklhsiastikhs perioysias, ligo prin thn Anoijh, prin dhmioyrghqei to qema me tis taytothtes. Qelw na sas rwthsw se poio shmeio exei fqasei h syzhthsh twra. Exete bgalei kapoia symperasmata;

REPPAS: Den egine kapoia syzhthsh. Den katartisthke enas katalogos qematwn epi twn opoiwn syzhthsan oi dyo pleyres. Ayto einai kati to opoio paramenei se ekkremothta. Ki emeis epiqymoyme na ginei me tropo syntetagmeno, to syntomotero dynato.

KARGOYDH: Qa hqela na plhroforhqw me poia aformh o Prwqypoyrgos dexetai ton ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs, ayth thn wra;

REPPAS: Prokeitai na syzhthsoyn qemata armodiothtas toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs. To Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, sth meqayrianh synedriash toy, qa epilejei dikastikoys gia thn kalych kenwn qesewn se anwtata dikasthria kai gi` ayto akribws qa ginei shmera ayth h synergasia.

MPOYATAR: Sxetika me to qema twn germanikwn apozhmiwsewn, eixame kainoyrgia episkech sth germanikh Arxaiologikh etaireia. Pws to sxoliazete kai ean exei proxwrhsei to qema gia mia politikh lysh;

REPPAS: H qesh poy exoyme diatypwsei einai safhs. Paramenoyme se ayth th qesh. Einai h orqh. Kata ta alla, entos 15 hmerwn, apo thn hmera koinopoihshs ths katasxethrias ekqeshs pros toys endiaferomenoys, h germanikh pleyra exei th dynatothta na analabei thn prwtoboylia, na prosfygei sth Dikaiosynh, me th meqodo ths anakophs kata ths katasxeshs. Meta th germanikh antidrash qa prajoyme analogws.

KOYIN: An ginei ayto, dhladh, mia aithsh ths germanikhs kybernhshs gia anakoph, ayto shmainei oti stamata h diadikasia katasxeshs;

REPPAS: To Dikasthrio kaloymeno na antimetwpisei ayth th sygkekrimenh prosfygh -anakoph, en prokeimenw- qa antimetwpisei kai to sygkekrimeno arqro 923 toy Kwdika Politikhs Dikonomias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs sto germaniko periodiko ``SPIGKEL'' edwse synenteyjh kai leei gia synennohsh metajy ths ellhnikhs kai germanikhs kybernhshs. Ti ennoei me ayto, ti synennohseis ginontai panw se ayto to qema;

REPPAS: O ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs eipe ayto poy hdh exoyme pei. Oti dhladh, ayto einai ena meizon qema, me megalh politikh shmasia. Qa prepei na ginoyn politikoi xeirismoi. Einai, telikws, politiko qema kai oxi qema twn Dikasthriwn, epeidh akribws afora tis sxeseis ths xwras mas me mia allh xwra, me thn opoia synyparxoyme sthn E.E.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To syzhta, dhladh, h ellhnikh kybernhsh. Exoyn ginei syzhthseis panw se ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti einai politiko zhthma kai qa prepei etsi na to antimetwpisoyme. Ayth thn wra einai se ejelijh oi diadikasies, oi opoies aporreoyn apo mia dikastikh apofash. Qa prepei na oloklhrwqei h opoia energeia se ayto to plaisio, prokeimenoy na topoqethsoyme se nea bash to qema.

LAZAROPOYLOS: H ka Mpakogiannh, se synenteyjh ths sthn kyriakatikh ``Bradinh'', eipe oti yparxei kindynos na mh ginoyn oi Olympiakoi Agwnes toy 2004. Shmera, blepoyme oti piqanotata h Seoyl na analabei prwtoboylia, enw yparxoyn kapoies plhrofories oti qa antikatastaqei kai o k. Samarank kai o neos proedros ths DOE piqanon na ejetasei to qema kai na dwsei thn telikh egkrish toy, to epomeno kalokairi. An alhqeyoyn aytes oi plhrofories, ti apanthseis dinei h kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Prwta ap ola oi ``politikes kassandres'' eydokimoyn sthn Ellada, alla ws kassandres, diaceydontai. Kai prepei na gnwrizete oti kai alla megala qemata -opws htan h prooptikh entajhs ths xwras mas sthn ONE, otan syzhteito ws prooptikh h politikh ayth liga xronia prin -antimetwpizontan apo thn antipoliteysh san kati to anefikto. H ejelijh twn pragmatwn toys dieceyse. To idio qa ginei kai me thn Olympiada. Ola ejartwntai apo th dikh mas prospaqeia. H xwras mas proetoimazetai katallhlws, gia na diorganwsoyme acoga thn Olympiada toy 2004. Exei lhfqei apofash gi ayto. H diorganwsh exei anateqei sthn Aqhna. H Aqhna proetoimazetai katallhlws. Den exei lhfqei opoiadhpote apofash gia ton antikatastath, meta apo ena xrono, toy k. Samarank. Ayto to qema paramenei anoikto. Apotelei zhthma, to opoio qa antimetwpisei h dieqnhs olympiakh oikogeneia. Pantws, den afora th dikh mas proetoimasia. Emeis prepei na prospaqhsoyme kata ton kalytero tropo. Kai ana pasa stigmh qa eimaste etoimoi na pistopoihsoyme stoys ``elegktes'' ths dieqnoys olympiakhs oikogeneias, thn etoimothta mas. Emeis qa synexisoyme thn proetoimasia mas. Qa dinoyme, sthn prajh pleon, tis katalytikes apanthseis se oloys ekeinoys poy amfiballoyn, akomh kai shmera, giati yparxoyn kai aytoi, gia th dynatothta mas na diorganwsoyme me ton kalytero tropo toys Olympiakoys Agwnes toy 2004.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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