Greek Government Press Briefing, 00-07-18

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 18 Ioylioy 2000

THLEMAXO XYTHRH

Geia sas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: H Ekklhsia h pio swsta h Ierarxia xarakthrise aytarxikh thn kinhsh ths kybernhshs, sxetika me tis taytothtes kai thn epispeysh ths diadikasias. Eseis ti sxolio exete ep` aytoy;

XYTHRHS: Den qa meinw stoys xarakthrismoys aytoys. Den nomizw oti xreiazetai na toys sxoliasw. Qa pw monon oti h kybernhsh einai synephs sthn apofash ths. Ayto poy egine einai mia yphresiakh diekperaiwsh mias apofashs poy eixe lhfqei. Kai den einai kai kaqoloy aifnidia. Eseis oi idioi to eixate plhroforhqei, rwtwntas ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo, o opoios epaneilhmmenws elege oti h egkyklios apo toys armodioys ypoyrgoys prokeitai na ekdoqei entos twn prosexwn hmerwn.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Mhpws arghsate;

XYTHRHS: Oxi, den arghsame kaqoloy. Einai ola kanonika.

TAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, den qewreite omws meta kai apo ayth thn ejelijh oti apokoptontai oi gefyres dialogoy metajy ths Ierarxias kai ths kybernhshs afenos kai oti afeteroy, apo to Septembrh odhgoymaste, jana, se ena qermo metwpo;

XYTHRHS: Apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs, den apokoptetai kamia gefyra. Antiqeta, h kybernhsh einai anoikth sto dialogo me thn Ekklhsia -to exei tonisei apo thn prwth stigmh- gia ola ta qemata ekeina poy aforoyn thn Ekklhsia kai to kratos. To qema twn taytothtwn, ejhghsame apo thn prwth stigmh oti einai ena qema armodiothtas ths Politeias. H kybernhsh kinhqhke symfwna me to Syntagma kai toys nomoys. Qa mporoysa na pw kati parapanw: Den yphrje, apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs, kamia antidikia me thn Ekklhsia. Opws qa parathrhsate ki eseis kai oi Ellhnes polites, kyriws apo thn pleyra orismenwn Ierarxwn yphrjan xarakthrismoi, polles fores kai se kaqhmerinh bash, apenanti stis kybernhtikes apofaseis.

TAKHS: Ara, to topio apo to Septembrio, pws to skiagrafeite; Qa exoyme thn kybernhsh poy exei bgalei thn apofash kai staqera synexizei thn politikh ths kai apo thn allh toys Ierarxes na mazeyoyn ypografes, endexomenws nea syllalhthria kai ola ayta. Einai ena topio poy sas ikanopoiei;

XYTHRHS: To topio den mas ikanopoiei, logw twn prwtoboyliwn poy analambanoyn oi Ierarxes kai me tis synajeis poy diorganwsan kai me thn apofash toys gia sygkentrwsh ypografwn. Exoyme pei oti aytes einai energeies poy dixazoyn kai ton ellhniko lao kai toys pistoys kai den odhgoyn poyqena. Antilambaneste oti h eikona twn Ierarxwn kai twn ierwmenwn na mazeyoyn ypografes apo spiti se spiti, den einai mia eikona h opoia enqoysiazei. Pisteyoyme kai exoyme tonisei oti den einai o swstos dromos, ton opoio prepei na akoloyqhsei h Ierarxia se ayta ta qemata. H Ekklhsia ths Elladas exei shmantiko rolo na diadramatisei sth nea epoxh kai den nomizw oti me tis energeies ths aytes, mexri shmera, stekei se ayto to ycos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lete, oti oi energeies ths Ekklhsias dixazoyn. Giati, den dixazoyn oi energeies ths kybernhshs poy den epitrepei thn proairetikh anagrafh;

XYTHRHS: H energeia ths kybernhshs einai synnomh. Aptetai toy sebasmoy twn Anqrwpinwn Dikaiwmatwn, twn qemeliwdwn arqrwn toy Syntagmatos mas kai epomenws, den exei kaqoloy dixastiko xarakthra. O tropos antimetwpishs ayths ths kybernhtikhs apofashs apo thn Ierarxia exei dixastiko xarakthra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Anaferei poyqena to Syntagma tetoio pragma, dhladh na mhn anagrafetai to qrhskeyma;

XYTHRHS: To Syntagma pronoei gia ta Anqrwpina Dikaiwmata kai gia thn proswpikothta toy polith. Ayto sebetai kai threi h kybernhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Leei kai gia thn Orqodojh qrhskeia.

XYTHRHS: Bebaiws, h qrhskeia yparxei. Ayta poy legontai oti taxa ginetai ``polemos'' kai ``diwgmos'' ths qrhskeias, toylaxiston einai elafra. Kaneis den pisteyei kati tetoio kai bebaiws me kanenan tropo, apo thn pleyra ths Kybernhshs den ginetai kati tetoio.

MPOYATAR: Pote problepetai na bgoyn telika oi nees taytothtes; S` ena 15qhmero, to Septembrio, pote;

XYTHRHS: Nomizw oti meta thn ekdosh ths egkyklioy ayths, kaqe poliths o opoios eite exei xasei thn taytothta toy, eite einai neos poy den exei taytothta, qa mporei na apeyqynetai sta armodia astynomika tmhmata, prokeimenoy na kanei aithsh gia ekdosh taytothtas.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Dhladh, ayrio mporoyme na bgaloyme nea taytothta;

XYTHRHS: Profanws, otan fqasei ayth h egkyklios se ola ta astynomika tmhmata.

ARGYROS: Akoysthke, xqes, oti synesthsan oi Ierarxes se orismenoys polites, an xreiastoyn taytothtes kai pane sto astynomiko tmhma, na mhn thn paroyn, na mh dexqoyn na mhn anagrafetai to qrhskeyma. Se ayth thn periptwsh pws qa antidrasei h kybernhsh h pws qa antidrasoyn ta astynomika organa;

XYTHRHS: Qa jepernoysa th qesh oti prokeitai gia mia symboylh pros ton polith na paranomhsei kai qa elega oti ayto einai eis baros toy polith poy den qa diaqetei taytothta, den qa mporei na kanei tis doyleies toy. Ejalloy, exoyme pei oti ayth h taytothta qa exei kai rolo diabathrioy sthn Eyrwph. Epomenws, o poliths poy den qa th diaqetei, qa dyskoleytei poly.

ARGYROS: Fantazomai, omws, oti ayto den qa to kanei enas poliths, qa to kanoyn arketoi. An to kanoyn arketoi ayto den qa yparxei problhma; Den qa yparxei mia diafora anamesa stoys polites; Qa yparxoyn kapoioi oi opoioi qa exoyn taytothta kai kapoioi poy den qa exoyn.

XYTHRHS: Oi taytothtes poy oloi exoyme shmera isxyoyn. Den jerw akribws pote, alla ypologizw se dyo-tria xronia, h nea taytothta qa ginei koinh se olh thn Eyrwph, symfwna me ta eyrwpaika dedomena.

ELENOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, prwton, pote h Politeia skopeyei na anoijei dialogo gia to diaxwrismo Kratoys-Ekklhsias. Kai deyteron, pote qa dieyqethqei to qema ths anajiopoihths monasthriakhs perioysias gia na doqei se akthmones.

XYTHRHS: Oson afora to prwto erwthma sas, xreiazetai anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos. Sthn anaqewrhsh poy prokeitai na syzhthqei ayth thn periodo den problepetai ayto. Apo kei kai pera, syzhthseis kai apoceis gyrw apo ayto to qema -opws blepete ki eseis ston Typo- yparxoyn. Oson afora to deytero erwthma, einai ena apo ta qemata poy aptontai twn sxesewn Ekklhsias-Kratoys kai qa prepei na syzhthqei se ena qesmiko dialogo, opws exoyme epaneilhmmenws yposthrijei. Kai nomizoyme oti aytos o dialogos prepei na ginei kai malista oso to dynaton pio syntoma. H kybernhsh einai anoikth kai perimenei. Pisteyoyme oti mia tetoia antimetwpish qa htan poly sobarh kai protimoterh apo th meria ths Ekklhsias kai asfalws kalyterh apo tis omilies, toys logoys kai ta synqhmata -opws to teleytaio ``opisqen olotaxws'', to opoio den qa hqela kan na sxoliasw. Qa elega oti o Makariotatos aresketai se anekdota. To ``opisqen olotaxws'', an to kaloskefteite, shmainei oti prepei na pame istorika pros ta pisw. Profanws, prepei na pame pio pisw kai apo to 1974. Pio pisw htan xoynta. Pio pisw apo th xoynta, htan basileia, pio pisw apo th basileia, htan antikommoynismos, pio pisw htan emfylios. Poso pio pisw prepei na pame; H ellhnikh koinwnia einai wrimh ston 21o aiwna na proxwrhsei mprosta kai blepei mprosta. Kai kalo einai na symbaloyme oloi, giati oi Ellhnes kai h ellhnikh koinwnia shmera diaqetoyme kai thn anagkaia aytopepoiqhsh kai tis dynatothtes gia na diaprecoyme. Kaneis den aggizei oyte ton politismo, oyte thn istoria, oyte tis paradoseis mas. Antiqetws, ayta apoteloyn th dynamh mas, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsoyme mprosta.

ELENOPOYLOS: Na epanelqw sto qema ths ekklhsiastikhs perioysias. H kybernhsh se ayto to qesmiko dialogo, ton opoio endiaferetai na anoijei mesoyshs ths krishs me thn Ekklhsia, skeftetai pleon na qesei to qema ths ekklhsiastikhs perioysias;

XYTHRHS: Opoiodhpote qema apasxolei thn Ekklhsia mporei na to qesei se dialogo me thn kybernhsh. Ektos apo to qema sto opoio anafereste, yparxoyn kai alla. O armodios ypoyrgos Paideias exei ton katalogo twn qematwn aytwn, ta opoia gnwrizei asfalws kai h Ekklhsia.

MPOTWNHS: Pws skeftetai h kybernhsh na jeperasei to empodio ths arnhshs ths GSEE na paei se dialogo, me dedomeno oti dialogos me enan den mporei na ginei;

XYTHRHS: Ayrio, qa pragmatopoihqei mia synanthsh -opws isws gnwrizete- toy ypoyrgoy Ergasias Tasoy Giannitsh me th GSEE. Pisteyw oti sth synanthsh ayth qa dieykrinistoyn oi qeseis kai twn dyo pleyrwn, prokeimenoy na ginei o dialogos, ston opoio anafereste. Epitrecte moy na pw oti to basiko qema einai h anergia kai oi anergoi kai h antimetwpish toy fainomenoy aytoy poy apotelei mia bradyflegh bomba sta qemelia ths koinwnias. Prepei, loipon, na antimetwpistei apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs. Proeklogika eixame desmeyqei oti qa antimetwpisoyme to qema ths anergias me th dhmioyrgia 300.000 newn qesewn apasxolhshs. To qema twra einai kai oi alloi foreis na deijoyn eyaisqhsia pros toys anergoys. Toso oi ergazomenoi oso kai oi ergodotes. Pisteyoyme oti me jekaqares qeseis mporei na breqoyn lyseis sto trapezi toy dialogoy. Mhn jexname oti yparxoyn anergoi, toys opoioys den ekproswpei kaneis, ek prwths ocews. Prepei, loipon, na toys ekproswpoyme oloi kai pisteyoyme oti ayto qa ginei ston koinwniko dialogo.

Sas eyxaristw poly!

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