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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 17 Martioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Qa moy epitrecete, prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, na sas pw oti sth synanthsh, poy einai se ejelijh, toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn Giwrgoy Papandreoy me ton Amerikano Presbh syzhteitai to qema twn ejelijewn sth Balkanikh, enocei ths Diaskechs Dwrhtwn poy prokeitai na ginei sto telos toy mhnos (29/3) stis Bryjelles. H Ellada, gnwrizete poly kala, oti sto plaisio toy Symfwnoy Staqerothtas exei anakoinwsei pws qa enisxysei me ena shmantiko oikonomiko poso ycoys 600 ekatommyriwn dolariwn, thn prospaqeia poy kataballei o dieqnhs paragontas gia thn anasygkrothsh ths perioxhs. O Prwqypoyrgos exei anakoinwsei oti to poso ayto antistoixei kai se orismenes sygkekrimenes draseis, me eidika programmata sta opoia qa symmetexei h Ellada, prokeimenoy na symballei sthn ejomalynsh ths katastashs sthn perioxh kai thn anaptyjh ths.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MELETHS: Ti ginetai me tis stratiwtikes dynameis poy qa dielqoyn apo th Qessalonikh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti pragmati, symfwna me tis apofaseis toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE, th symfwnia twn megalwn dynamewn, alla kai th symfwnh gnwmh toy hgeth ths Gioygkoslabias k. Milosebits qa dielqoyn eirhneytikes dynameis, oi opoies kai qa analaboyn apostolh sthn taragmenh ayth perioxh. Ayto einai kati poy epiqymoyn oles oi pleyres, to epiqymoyme ki emeis. Pisteyw oti h paroysia twn dynamewn ekei einai kai pros to symferon mas, prokeimenoy na prolaboyn mia endexomenh arnhtikh ejelijh, poy mporei na odhghsei kai sth metakinhsh megaloy ariqmoy politwn apo tis perioxes aytes alloy, alla kai sthn Ellada. Pisteyoyme, oti h paroysia ths eirhneytikhs dynamhs einai kati to qetiko se ayth thn periptwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia thn asfaleia toy Milosebits pane aytes oi dynameis;

REPPAS: Den eipa kati tetoio. Eipa oti, metajy twn allwn, kai o k. Milosebits exei dexqei pws h paroysia twn eirhneytikwn dynamewn sthn perioxh einai xrhsimh. Ayto eipa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxei h adeia ayth kai poies hmeres qa perasoyn;

REPPAS: H dieleysh twn dynamewn aytwn qa ginei tis epomenes hmeres, me bash ta osa exoyn symfwnhqei sto parelqon. Den einai kainoyrgia apofash, den einai ektakto to gegonos. Einai kati to opoio perilambanetai sto plaisio ths politikhs poy exei apofasistei apo to Symboylio Asfaleias toy OHE.

FILHS: Pote o k. Milosebits exei dhlwsei dhmosiws oti qelei na pane oi dynameis toy NATO ekei;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti stis epafes poy ginontai -kai yparxei epikoinwnia kai me thn kybernhsh ths Gioygkoslabias, me diaforoys tropoys- exei ekdhlwsei endiaferon h hgesia ths Gioygkoslabias na einai paroysa megalh eirhneytikh dynamh sthn perioxh, prokeimenoy na diasfalisei thn efarmogh twn apofasewn toy OHE. An qetete qema taxythtas, oson afora thn efarmogh ths apofashs toy Symboylioy Asfaleias twn H.E., pragmati qa prepei na epitaxynqoyn oi prwtoboylies. H efarmogh twn apofasewn den exei proxwrhsei oso ki emeis qa qelame. Allwste, ayto to qema to exw sxoliasei ki egw edw kai h Ellada, kat` epanalhch, exei qesei dieqnws to qema ths efarmoghs twn apofasewn toy OHE.

FILHS: Se sxesh me ta xrhmata poy apofasisthke na dwsei h Ellada gia thn anasygkrothsh twn Balkaniwn: Gnwrizete oti h diaxeirish aytwn twn xrhmatwn qa ginei apo ena proswpo ton k. Xoxmpax, o opoios parapempetai sth xwra toy gia perierges dosolhcies. Ayto problhmatizei thn kybernhsh;

REPPAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh mazi me tis alles xwres ths E.E. kai tis alles xwres poy exoyn labei ayth thn apofash exei synennohqei poia einai ta katallhla proswpa, prokeimenoy na efarmosoyn thn politikh poy exoyn apofasisei. O k. Xoxmpax exei topoqethqei se ayth th qesh. Gnwrizete poly kala oti neyralgikos rolos problepetai gia th Qessalonikh. Pisteyoyme oti den dhmioyrgeitai problhma, logw twn ejelijewn sto eswteriko ths Germanias, poy allwste den exoyn kamia sxesh me ta kaqhkonta poy exoyn anateqei ston k. Xoxmpax. En pash periptwsei den eimaste emeis aytoi oi opoioi qetoyme tetoio qema.

FILHS: Einai ena proswpo diablhto gia qemata oikonomikhs diaxeirishs sth xwra toy@

REPPAS: Mhn eiste kathgorhmatikos. Opoios kathgoreitai den shmainei oti aytomatws metapiptei sthn kathgoria toy diablhtoy proswpoy. Mh biazeste na bgalete symperasma. Sas lew oti h Ellada den exei qesei kai den qetei tetoio qema. Den gnwrizoyme an exei qesei allos tetoio qema.

BITALHS: Sto typiko meros ths dieleyshs twn eirhneytikwn dynamewn exei zhthqei, epishmws, h adeia ths Elladas, etsi wste na perasoyn oi dynameis aytes;

REPPAS: Exoyn ginei oles oi synennohseis. Epanalambanw oti oi dynameis aytes qa dielqoyn apo thn Ellada, sto plaisio mias apostolhs, poy exei apofasistei kai kineitai se ena plaisio to opoio den einai kainoyrgio.

BITALHS: Exei diatypwqei ayto to aithma, k. Ekproswpe;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw tis grafeiokratikes yphresiakes leptomereies. Sas lew, omws, oti exoyn ginei oles oi synennohseis.

BITALHS: Hmeromhnies jeroyme;

REPPAS: Tis epomenes hmeres, sas eipa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To YPEJ exei enhmerwqei;

REPPAS: Apolytws.

BITSENTZOY: Enas mikros ypologismos gi` ayta ta 600 ekatommyria dolaria poy diamoirazontai se mia pentaetia, mas dinei peripoy 42 dis. draxmes ethsiws apo ton eqniko proypologismo, apo xrhmata dhladh twn Ellhnwn forologoymenwn poy qa phgainoyn gia thn anasygkrothsh twn Balkaniwn. Qelw na sas rwthsw an ola ayta ta xrhmata, ayto to poso poy moiazei terastio qa exei kapoia antapodotikh sxesh me toys Ellhnes forologoymenoys h an qa einai ena poson poy qa ``feygei'' apo thn tseph toys kai qa phgainei kapoy poy den qa gnwrizoyme poy kai giati.

REPPAS: Einai shmantiko to qema ayto. O Prwqypoyrgos sthn prosfath Synodo Koryfhs poy egine sto Boykoyresti, gia mia akomh fora, epanelabe ayth th qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, th diaqesh ths kai th dynatothta ths na symbalei sthn prospaqeia anasygkrothshs twn Balkaniwn me ayto to shmantiko poso. To poso ayto qa doqei apo ton kratiko proypologismo. H paroxh ayths ths bohqeias qewroyme oti einai aparaithth. Afenos giati antapokrinetai stis ypoxrewseis poy exoyme, ws xwra, na symbaloyme sthn anasygkrothsh twn Balkaniwn -qema to opoio idiaiterws endiaferei emas, se sxesh me tis alles xwres ths Eyrwphs poy briskontai se mia allh perioxh ths Eyrwphs poly pio makrinh- kai afeteroy symballei sto na apokthsei h Ellada ton prwtagwnistiko rolo ton opoio diekdikei kai se shmantiko baqmo askei kai shmera. Pisteyoyme oti, sto plaisio ths ejwterikhs politikhs, gia polloys logoys, apo opoia skopia, dhladh, kai an proseggisei kaneis to qema -eite einai h diplwmatikh, eite einai h eqnikh, eite einai h koinwnikh kai oikonomikh- exoyme kaqe logo na eimaste entona parontes se ayth thn prospaqeia. Einai mia symbolh, an qelete, toy kaqe Ellhna stoys geitonikoys laoys, prokeimenoy na toys bohqhsoyme, wste na anazhthsoyn ena kalytero mellon. Antilambanomai oti kapoioi mporei na exoyn antiqeth apoch, ayth omws einai h eqnikh ypoxrewsh mas. Prepei na sas pw oti bgazoyme ki ena akomh symperasma oti h Ellada shmera diaqetei oikonomia poy ths dinei th dynatothta na proxwra se tetoia paroxh bohqeias. Einai shmantiko to oti mporoyme, xwris na anatrepoyme isorropies sto eswteriko ths xwras, xwris na dhmioyrgeitai problhma sto diko mas proypologismo, oson afora ta elleimmata h to dhmosio xreos na proxwroyme se mia tetoia bohqeia.

BITSENTZOY: Epeidh to kentriko synqhma sas einai ``prwta oi Ellhnes'' kai epeidh egw proswpika, opws fantazomai kai alloi sympolites mas, antilambanomai oti kai oi tomeis ths Paideias, alla kai ths Ygeias kyriws pasxoyn sobara apo kondylia rwtaw, an pragmati ta 42 dis. draxmes ethsiws exoyn kapoia skopimothta, se sxesh me tis elleiceis ths xwras se ypodomh.

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti h symbolh mas ayth antapokrinetai sto eqniko symferon. To synqhma ``prwta h Ellada, prwta o poliths'' -poy den einai aplws synqhma, einai politikh arxh- nomizw oti sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh efarmozetai, giati o rolos ths Elladas enisxyetai poly shmantika, kaqoristika qa elega, metajy twn allwn kai me mia tetoia prwtoboylia. H Ellada qa prepei na einai paroysa se aytes tis dieqneis drasthriothtes. Den einai dynato na apoysiazei, poly perissotero otan tetoies dieqneis prwtoboylies aforoyn thn perioxh mas, sthn opoia qeloyme na exoyme enan prwtagwnistiko rolo. Den einai dynaton, epomenws, na eimaste apontes. Kai shmera mporoyme, logw ths arisths katastashs ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, na antapokriqoyme se ayth thn ypoxrewsh kai ayto einai para poly eyxaristo. Xwris na leicei tipota apo alloys tomeis askhshs ths politikhs, opws einai h Paideia, h Ygeia, opoy ki ekei exei lhfqei pronoia, wste ta epomena xronia ta kondylia na einai ayjhmena se sxesh me to parelqon, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn kai na kalyfqoyn oi yparxoyses anagkes.

KARGOYDH: Epeidh anaferqhkate sth symfwnia toy Beligradioy gia th dieleysh twn eirhneytikwn dynamewn@

REPPAS: Exw milhsei kai allh fora gia thn paroysia eirhneytikhs dynamhs sthn perioxh. Me thn paroysia ayths ths dynamhs symfwnei kai h hgesia ths Gioygkoslabias. Den einai h prwth fora poy to lew.

KARGOYDH: @hqela na rwthsw ean ayth h symfwnia proekyce h epikyrwqhke kata th shmerinh thlefwnikh epafh Papandreoy @ Giobanwf. Kai ti allo diameifqhke ;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti yparxoyn stratiwtikes dynameis se ayth thn perioxh, opoy yparxei eirhneytikh apostolh. Den metaferontai gia prwth fora tetoies dynameis sthn perioxh, Den einai kati kainoyrgio. Einai se efarmogh toy plaisioy poy exei apofasistei apo tote poy elhfqhsan apofaseis gia thn antimetwpish ths krishs sto Kossyfopedio. Den einai mia kinhsh apokommenh kai den prepei na aifnidiazei h na odhgei se alloys problhmatismoys. Einai eirhneytikh apostolh. Tipota allo.

KARGOYDH: Se sxesh me th synanthsh toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn me ton Amerikano presbh, lete oti to antikeimeno ths synanthshs einai h syzhthsh gia th syndiaskech twn Dwrhtwn. Ayto shmainei oti epimenoyn sto na yparjei ellhnoamerikanikh synergasia sto plaisio ths anasygkrothshs kai ayto syzhteitai;

REPPAS: Qa einai paroysa ekei me toys ekproswpoys ths kai h kybernhsh twn HPA kai h ellhnikh kybernhsh, opws kai ekproswpoi allwn kybernhsewn. Kaqenas ekei qa anakoinwsei ti einai ayto me to opoio qa symbalei, prokeimenoy na anasygkrothsoyme ta Balkania, sto plaisio ths politikhs gia thn anasygkrothsh, sto plaisio aytoy toy Symfwnoy anasygkrothshs, to opoio exei teqei se isxy. Asfalws, h efarmogh toy, epanalambanw, den ginetai me toys ryqmoys poy kai emeis qa epiqymoysame, alla einai ena plaisio to opoio exei apofasistei. Den einai kati kainoyrgio.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Pws sxoliazete tis dhlwseis Tzem gia toys katoikoys ths Qrakhs, oi opoies erxontai se antiqesh me tis prosfates apofaseis toy Elsinki kai poy kat` oysia bazoyn kai fragmo sthn ellhnotoyrkikh proseggish;

REPPAS: Einai prwta ap` ola qetiko to oti o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths Toyrkias breqhke apenanti stoys koinotikoys ajiwmatoyxoys, prokeimenoy na apanthsei se erwthseis poy toy teqhkan gia qemata ta opoia, metajy twn allwn, exoyn symperilhfqei sthn apofash toy Elsinki. H hgesia ths Toyrkias qa prepei na antilhfqei oti h poreia ths pros thn E.E. perna mesa apo thn ekplhrwsh sygkekrimenwn ypoxrewsewn, poy analhfqhkan apo thn Toyrkia me thn apofash sth Synodo Koryfhs sto Elsinki. Yparxei enas xarths diadromhs, yparxoyn politikoi kanones diarkeis, kai ola ayta prepei na ginoyn sebasta apo thn Toyrkia. Diaforetika den yparxei eyrwpaiko mellon gia thn Toyrkia. Ayto prepei na einai safes gia ton k. Tzem, giati pragmati oi dhlwseis toy briskontai se apoklish apo ayto to opoio h Toyrkia exei analabei na pragmatopoihsei ws desmeysh, prokeimenoy na epityxei thn eyrwpaikh proseggish.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kai h ellhnotoyrkikh proseggish den kindyneyei me tetoies dhlwseis;

REPPAS: Asfalws kindyneyei, an h Toyrkia emmeinei se mia tetoia politikh. Ayto, omws, qa to krinoyme ypo to prisma twn syzhthsewn poy ginontai se ola ta epipeda kai se dimeres epipedo, alla kai se dieqnes, polymeres, sthn Koinothta dhladh, kai apo thn proodo se diaforoys tomeis, prokeimenoy na bgaloyme asfalh symperasmata.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, hdh diatypwnetai apo thn pleyra toy ESR kapoia parabiash twn kanonwn poy exoyn qespistei gia thn probolh twn kommatwn apo ta hlektronika MME. Eseis, ap` o,ti gnwrizw, episkefqhkate shmera kai to ESR. Exete kapoio sxolio gi ayth thn thrhsh twn kanonwn;

REPPAS: Aperxomenos apo th qesh ayth episkefqhka, pragmati, to ESR kai syzhthsa me ton Proedro kai ta melh toy Symboylioy sxetika qemata. Prepei na sas pw oti, metajy twn allwn, h kybernhsh epiqymei to plaisio to opoio apofasisthke, eite me nomo, eite me ypoyrgikes apofaseis gia thn probolh ypochfiwn kai kommatwn, kata thn proeklogikh periodo sthn opoia hdh briskomaste, na tyxei efarmoghs. Ena megalo tmhma aytoy toy plaisioy mporei na efarmostei, efoson symballei kai to ESR, to opoio epopteyei kai elegxei th leitoyrgia twn hlektronikwn MME, oson afora thn paroysiash programmatwn apo ypochfioys boyleytes, oson afora th dienergeia metrhsewn me tropo, o opoios den einai apodektos, oson afora thn probolh twn kommatwn kai twn ypochfiwn, symfwna me toys kanones ths arxhs ths analogikhs isothtas. Nomizw oti to ESR ayto to epiqymei. H politeia qa epilhfqei thn epomenh periodo, wste oi ekloges na diejaxqoyn me tetoioys oroys poy qa dwsoyn th dynatothta se kommata kai ypochfioys na probaloyn tis apoceis toys me antikeimeniko tropo, ployralistiko, wste aytes oi ekloges, poy einai h koryfaia diadikasia se ena koinoboyleytiko politeyma, na einai oi kalyteres poy exoyn ginei mexri shmera, toylaxiston ston tomea ayto. Ayth einai kai h dikh mas epiqymia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: An ena melos toy ESR den symfwnei me tis apofaseis ths kybernhshs einai katakriteo;

REPPAS: Kaqoloy. Einai dikh toy apoch, thn opoia mporei na ekfrazei kai dia ths chfoy toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis, omws, proxqes, bghkate se ena thleoptiko staqmo kai kataggeilate dyo melh toy ESR. Einai alhqeia;

REPPAS: Se ti anafereste;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Se dyo melh toy ESR poy, oyte ligo, oyte poly, diafwnhsan kai den chfisan kapoia apofash.

REPPAS: Antilambanomai poy anafereste. Qa sas apanthsw: Den yparxei kanena problhma. Kai shmera, sth syzhthsh poy eixa me to ESR ayto pistopoihqhke. Oti, dhladh, apo thn pleyra toy ESR den yparxei kanena problhma. Anafereste se mia ekpomph, se ena debate, to opoio eixa me enan synadelfo ths N.D. ton k. Liaph, se thleoptiko staqmo prin liges hmeres. Metajy twn allwn problepotan o enas na diatypwsei erwthseis pros ton allo. Mia erwthsh poy dexqhka apo ton k. Liaph aforoyse to ESR kai sthn apanthsh poy edwsa eipa oti, pragmati, kapoies fores, melh toy ESR leitoyrghsan protassontas thn kommatikh idiothta toys. Epeidh kathgorhqhka kai apo ton k. Liaph gia tis ejelijeis sto ESR anefera ena paradeigma, qetontas ena rhtoriko erwthma, mhpws to oti ta melh poy ypodeixqhkan apo th N.D. -den anaferqhka se dyo melh- epeidh den chfisan yper ths epibolhs kyrwshs se staqmo poy kata th gnwmh toy ESR parabiase th deontologia, shmainei oti exoyn synallagh me to staqmo. Ayto eipa. Dioti, pragmati, o k. Liaphs filojenoymenos se allh thleoptikh ekpomph, arketes hmeres prin, otan breqhke apenanti se ayto to erwthma den kalyce ayth th symperifora twn melwn toy ESR poy eixan ypodeixqei apo to komma ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs. Htan ena rhtoriko erwthma. Kai otan milw gia synallagh, asfalws, den yponoeitai oti kathgorw kapoioys gia oikonomikh synallagh. Melh poy exoyn ypodeixqei apo th N.D. eqesan qema sygkekrimenhs ekpomphs, se sygkekrimeno thleoptiko staqmo, kai zhthsan th diakoph ths. H ekpomph ayth katarghqhke apo ton thleoptiko staqmo xwris na asxolhqei peraiterw to ESR kai melh poy ypodeixqhkan apo th N.D. poy eixan qesei, dhladh, to qema ths diakophs ths sygkekrimenhs ekpomphs, otan to ESR asxolhqhke me qemata poy sxetizontai me thn epibolh h mh epibolh kyrwsewn sto sygkekrimeno staqmo, apeixan. Edeijan oti den hqelan na epiblhqoyn kyrwseis se ayto to sygkekrimeno staqmo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dikaiwma toys den einai;

REPPAS: Asfalws kai einai dikaiwma toys. Egw den exw th dynatothta otan kathgoroymai apo th N.D. kai toys alloys politikoys arxhgoys na bgazw to symperasma poy kaqe koinos noys mporei na bgalei; Den exei kanena yponooymeno ayto to opoio eipa. Einai h apotypwsh ths pragmatikothtas. Sas lew, loipon, oti gia th legomenh ypoqesh twn ``roz skandalwn'', opws onomasthkan, ta melh poy ypodeixqhkan apo th N.D. gia to ESR den chfisan thn apofash gia thn epibolh sygkekrimenhs poinhs. Ayto eipa. Ta symperasmata na ta bgalete eseis.

FILHS: Xqes, me ypoyrgikh apofash, oysiastika apeleyqerwnetai h dynatothta twn asfalistikwn Tameiwn na ``tzogaroyn'' ta apoqematika toys sto Xrhmatisthrio. Mexri twra, yphrxe ena plafon. Twra, kaqierwnetai mia diadikasia poy qa epitrepei, kaq` yperbash aytoy toy plafon, th diaqesh, diapragmateysh twn apoqematikwn twn Tameiwn sto Xrhmatisthrio. Bebaiws, mporei na proballete thn anagkh anorqwshs toy Xrhmatisthrioy kai thn anagkh na ejeyreqoyn poroi gia na anorqwqei to Xrhmatisthrio. Alla, einai dynato na ginetai tzogos me ta lefta twn asfalismenwn;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kamia ypoyrgikh apofash, etsi opws eseis thn ennoeite. Ta asfalistika Tameia eixan kai exoyn th dynatothta na ependyoyn se akinhta h kai se metoxes, ena pososto twn apoqematikwn toys. Alla, prepei na sas pw oti h diadikasia poy akoloyqeitai, einai mia diadikasia opoy paremballontai diaforoi elegktikoi mhxanismoi. Ypografei o armodios ypoyrgos, ypografei o dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Ellados kai symfwna me ta osa problepontai -giati to plaisio apo apoch elegxoy ginetai aysthrotero- qa ypografei eidikh ependytikh Epitroph, prokeimenoy na mh ginetai kakh diaxeirish twn porwn aytwn, twn apoqematikwn twn Tameiwn. To pososto ayto paramenei sto 20% kai eipwqhke oti se ena xrono, apo to 2001, mporei to pososto ayto na anebei sto 23% gia ta nea apoqematika poy dhmioyrgoyntai. Alla h diadikasia, oson afora ton elegxo, paramenei to idio aysthrh kai den einai aperioristo to pososto ayto.

FILHS: Exoyme diabasei thn idia ypoyrgikh apofash poy exoyn shmera oi efhmerides; Ayth poy leei oti h armodia ayth Epitroph, poy qa synedriazei dyo fores thn ebdomada, mporei kaq` yperbash toy nomoy na egkrinei oti qa paizontai xrhmata apo ta apoqematika twn Tameiwn sto Xrhmatisthrio;

REPPAS: Sas lew oti oi elegktikoi mhxanismoi ginontai pio aysthroi. Dhmioyrgeitai, epipleon twn allwn organwn poy mexri twra leitoyrgoysan kai ypegrafan, kai ayth h eidikh ependytikh Epitroph. O elegxos ginetai aysthroteros. Kai h yperbash ayth, prepei na pw kai pali oti einai kati to opoio mporei na problepetai se ayth thn apofash, alla enapokeitai pali sta organa ayta, poy qa elegxoyn thn olh diadikasia, na to egkrinoyn kai na to apofasisoyn.

FILHS: Ara, den isxyei to 20% poy eipate prohgoymenws. Leei ``kaq` yperbash''.

REPPAS: Isxyei to 20%, alla ayto to ``kaq` yperbash'' sto opoio anafereste, proapaitei @epanalambanw- th symfwnh gnwmh pollwn paragontwn poy qa prepei na sylleitoyrghsoyn, prokeimenoy na lhfqei mia tetoia apofash kai afora thn allagh posostwn entos toy 20% gia ependysh me kinhtes kai akinhtes ajies.

FILHS: Mexri shmera, den yphrxe ayto to ``kaq` yperbash''. Shmera nomoqeteitai.

REPPAS: Nai, alla ayto den anatrepei ton isxyonta nomo.

FILHS: Syggnwmh, k. Ypoyrge, alla epeidh einai lepto qema kai eyaisqhto. Afora ta xrhmata twn asfalismenwn ayto. H ypoyrgikh apofash poy diabasame oloi, xqes, kai dhmosieyetai shmera stis efhmerides, leei sthn paragrafo 4, edafio d@: ``kaq` yperbash toy nomoy''. Otan leei ``kaq` yperbash toy nomoy'' na tzogaroyn ta lefta@

REPPAS: Ayth h eidikh ependytikh Epitroph.

FILHS: Oxi, qa apofasizei h ependytikh Epitroph.

REPPAS: Etsi akribws.

FILHS: Ara, loipon, anoigei paraqyro twra. Den yphrxe ayto ws twra. Anoigei paraqyro h Epitroph ayth, poy lete, na apofasizei kaq` yperbash toy 20-23% na tzogarontai ta xrhmata twn asfalistikwn Tameiwn sto Xrhmatisthrio.

REPPAS: Sas lew, loipon, oti to plaisio to opoio isxyse, einai plaisio to opoio apedwse. Ta asfalistika Tameia mporesan etsi na ayjhsoyn ta perioysiaka toys stoixeia. Na eiste sigoyroi oti ta perioysiaka stoixeia twn asfalistikwn Tameiwn qa tyxoyn xrhsths diaxeirishs. Den epitrepetai na amfiballete. Den qa xrhsimopoihqoyn gia logoys san aytoys poy anaferate.

FILHS: Proeklogikh skopimothta.

REPPAS: Kamia proeklogikh skopimothta. To symferon twn asfalistikwn Tameiwn einai ayto poy qa prytaneysei. Den exei kamia sxesh to Xrhmatisthrio, doqentos oti oi ependyseis aytes, prepei na sas pw, den aforoyn mono metoxes, aforoyn kai alla agaqa, opws einai ta akinhta gia ta opoia milhsa prin. Aplws, dinetai h dynatothta na allazoyn ta pososta 12% kai 8% poy shmera problepontai gia kinhtes kai akinhtes ajies antistoixws, xwris omws na yperbainoyn synolika to 20%.

MIXAHL: Proxqes, o k. Giannopoylos, kata th diarkeia mias akroamatikhs diadikasias, dhlwse metajy allwn oti ``eimai kai qa eimai kai meta tis ekloges ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs''. Isxyei kai gia sas to gegonos oti qa eiste ypoyrgos Typoy kai thn epomenh twn eklogwn;

REPPAS: Egw jerw oti meta tis ekloges qa exoyme kai pali kybernhsh ypo ton k. Shmith. Ola ta alla, exoyn poly mikroterh shmasia. As ``ejafanisoyme'' thn tapeinothta mas mesa sto megaleio toy laikoy paragonta, o opoios qa apofasisei, se liges hmeres.

MIXAHL: Kai pws qa peisete toys anapofasistoys, an den jekaqarisete ti qa kanete thn epomenh twn eklogwn;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti exoyme programma gia thn antimetwpish olwn twn qematwn poy apasxoloyn toys Ellhnes polites. Mhn qelete, omws, na fqasoyme mexri ayths ths leptomereias, na anakoinwsoyme apo twra to kybernhtiko sxhma, to opoio qa prokycei meta tis ekloges.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos, xqes, edwse mia synenteyjh sto Bolo. Se ayth, eixe kai akroathrio. Dhladh, oi synenteyjeis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, twra qa ginontai me ``klakadoroys''; Giati se kaqe apanthsh yphrxe kai xeirokrothma!

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle lypoymai, giati toys sympolites sas den eprepe na toys xarakthrisete me ayto ton tropo. Den yparxei logos na syzhtoyme oyte gia ``klakadoroys'', oyte gia ``plakadoroys''. O Prwqypoyrgos edwse mia synenteyjh Typoy, se mia megalh polh ths ellhnikhs perifereias, epeidh kai to qema htan synafes, ``perifereiakh anaptyjh ths xwras''. Kriqhke skopimo na exoyn to logo, kyriws, oi ekproswpoi twn perifereiakwn Meswn Enhmerwshs ths patridas mas. O xwros opoy doqhke h synenteyjh ayth htan megalos. Pareixe, ek twn pragmatwn, th dynatothta se polites poy hqelan na parakoloyqhsoyn ayth th diadikasia, na parakoloyqhsoyn ayth th synenteyjh. Kai ayto einai kako, kata th gnwmh sas; Den einai kako.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Synenteyjh Typoy htan, k. Ypoyrge. Se dhmosiografoys th dinei.

REPPAS: Synenteyjh Typoy htan kai bebaiws se dhmosiografoys thn paraxwrhse. Oydeis dhmosiografos parempodisthke sto ergo toy kai kaneis den mporei na isxyristei to antiqeto. Phge poly kala h synenteyjh ayth, opws omologoyn kai oi synadelfoi sas twn perifereiakwn Meswn, alla kai osoi apo esas tajidecan ekei kai parakoloyqhsan th diadikasia. To oti yphrxan xeirokrothmata poy ekfrazoyn ta aisqhmata twn anqrwpwn poy htan parontes, den nomizw oti prepei na einai stoixeio to opoio qa cejete. Giati einai arnhtiko stoixeio ayto se mia synenteyjh;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Opote einai poly wraio kai qa synexistei etsi!

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti o Prwqypoyrgos exei dwsei polles synenteyjeis Typoy, isws tis perissoteres apo oloys, kai einai mestes, oysiastikes, me periexomeno. Elpizw to paradeigma mas na to mimhqei kai h N.D., o arxhgos ths@

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me xeirokrothmata!

REPPAS: Xeirokrotoyn thn politikh mas. Ayto kalo einai. Emeis den qeloyme na apodokimazoyn thn politikh mas, na th xeirokrotoyn qeloyme.

Sas eyxaristw. Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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