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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 21 Febroyarioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Na sas enhmerwsw eisagwgikws gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy kata tis prosexeis hmeres.

Ayrio to prwi, stis 10, qa exei synergasia me ton Ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs Ey. Benizelo kai stis 2 meta to meshmeri qa dexqei kai qa syzhthsei me ekproswpoys toy syndikalistikoy kinhmatos.

Thn Tetarth, sth 1 to meshmeri, qa episkefqei to Kentro Epaggelmatikhs Katartishs, sth Lewforo Boyliagmenhs 223. Gnwrizete oti oi spoydes poy parexoyn ta KEK dinoyn th dynatothta stoys spoydastes poy apofoitoyn apo ayta na apoktoyn efodia, wste na ejasfalisoyn mia qesh kai na askhsoyn to epaggelma ths epiloghs toys. Shmeiwnw oti mporoyn na leitoyrghsoyn mono ta KEK poy exoyn pistopoihsh kai to sygkekrimeno KEK poy qa episkefqei o Prwqypoyrgos einai ena poly kalo paradeigma. To apogeyma ths idias hmeras den qa diejaxqei h ``Wra toy Prwqypoyrgoy'', epeidh episkeptetai thn Ellada o neos G.G. toy NATO k. Rompertson, o opoios pragmatopoiei thn prwth epishmh episkech toy sth xwra mas. Oi epishmes synomilies me ton k. Rompertson qa ginoyn thn epomenh hmera stis 10.30 to prwi.

Thn Pempth, sth 1to meshmeri, o Prwqypoyrgos qa parastei se eidikh ekdhlwsh poy qa pragmatopoihqei sth Boylh, pros timhn ths mnhmhs toy Xarilaoy Trikoyph.

Thn Paraskeyh, stis 10 to prwi, qa proedreysei se synedriash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy toy PASOK poy qa exei antikeimeno tis ypochfiothtes enocei twn eklogwn. Stis 4 to apogeyma qa synedriasei h Kentrikh Epitroph toy Kinhmatos me antikeimeno to idio qema.

Gia th synedriash kybernhtikoy organoy entos ths ebdomadas qa sas enhmerwsw molis oristikopoihqei h hmera kai h wra ths synedriashs.

Qelw, telos, na sas enhmerwsw oti th Deytera (28 Febroyarioy) qa elqei gia synomilies me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai thn kybernhsh o Prwqypoyrgos ths Portogalias kai proedreywn ths E.E. Antonio Gkoytieres.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h Toyrkia epanhlqe me sklhres dhlwseis toy idioy toy k. Ntemirel, o opoios milhse kai kata ths Elladas kai kata ths Kyproy. Zhthse kai apostratikopoihsh twn ellhnikwn nhsiwn kai eipe oti sthn Kypro yparxoyn dyo krath, enw sygxronws kathgorei thn Ellada @profanws skopimws- gia parabiaseis enaerias kykloforias. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

REPPAS: H Toyrkia epanerxetai se qeseis tis opoies, kata kairoys, exei diatypwsei. Oxi mono den eimaste symfwnoi, alla exoyme dwsei peistikotates apanthseis sta qemata kai tis aitiaseis tis opoies egeirei h Toyrkia. H politikh poy akoloyqoyme einai symfwnh me to Dieqnes Dikaio kai toys kanones toy. Ta ellhnika maxhtika aeroskafh kinoyntai eite entos toy eqnikoy enaerioy xwroy mas, eite se dieqnh xwro kai akoloyqoyn pantote toys kanones ths enaerias kykloforias, pragma to opoio den symbainei me ta toyrkika maxhtika aeroskafh, otan pairnoyn meros se stratiwtika gymnasia.

Oson afora to Kypriako, h prospaqeia poy ginetai gia epilysh toy pisteyw oti qa prepei na epitaxynqei, ypo thn aigida toy OHE kai me thn kalh diaqesh kai apo tis dyo pleyres, qa prepei, epiteloys, na ejeyreqei lysh. Oloi oi paragontes, ektos enos poy den einai allos apo thn Toyrkia kai thn toyrkokypriakh koinothta, exoyn mia qetikh paroysia ews twra. Qa prepei na dexqoyn ayto to plaisio poy exei qespisei me tis apofaseis toy o OHE, prokeimenoy etsi na apodeijoyn oti endiaferontai na yparjei mia qetikh ejelijh kai se ayto to zhthma. Kata ta alla, oi dhlwseis toy k. Ntemirel den einai dynato na apotelesoyn antikeimeno syzhthshs gia qemata poy aforoyn ta eqnika symferonta mas kai ta kyriarxika dikaiwmata ths xwras mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes, o k. Giannopoylos, otan rwthqhke gia tis plhrofories poy eixe gi aytes tis roz kasetes, eipe oti den htan apo ton Eisaggelea, alla apo to kaqestws poy exei tis yphresies toy. Poio einai ayto to kaqestws;

REPPAS: Gnwrizw thn kritikh, h opoia diatypwnetai apo th N.D. Einai mia kritikh, h opoia ypotima th nohmosynh toy laoy kai prosballei toys Ellhnes polites. Giati, gnwrizete poly kala, oti h kybernhsh anadeiknyetai me syntagmatikes diadikasies, me thn chfo toy laoy. Einai mia kybernhsh poy den diorizetai apo kapoion, alla epilegetai apo ton idio to lao. Kai exoyme thn timh, kat` epanalhch, o ellhnikos laos, me thn chfo toy, na mas dinei thn entolh na kybernoyme. Pisteyw oti ayth h sxesh empistosynhs ananewnetai diarkws. Yparxei kratos, to opoio exei synexeia. Se kaqe qesmika sygkrothmenh ontothta, to kratos exei tis yphresies toy, oi opoies, asfalws, exoyn plhrofories kai syllegoyn stoixeia. Ayto, omws, den exei kamia sxesh me alla megeqh ta opoia exoyn plhrh qesmikh aytonomia. Einai allo to kratos, allo h koinwnia, allo h kybernhsh, allo to komma. O k. Giannopoylos gia ola ayta ta qemata exei apanthsei me leptomereies, se synenteyjh poy paraxwrhse se thleoptiko staqmo. Einai sth diaqesh sas o dialogos aytos. En pash periptwsei, ayto poy eipe den exei kamia sxesh me ayto poy ennoei h N.D., otan kathgorei thn kybernhsh oti exei kaqestwtikh h feoydarxikh antilhch. Poly perissotero otan h N.D. diatypwnontas ayth thn kathgoria kai milwntas, dhqen, en onomati, ths laikhs kyriarxias kai ths dhmokratias, arneitai na aposafhnisei th qolh politikh kai eklogikh fysiognwmia ths, pragma to opoio, poso qolh, dhladh, einai ayth h fysiognwmia, epibebaiwqhke molis prosfata. Ta gegonota einai gnwsta se sas. Ola ta alla parelkoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh emena den me endiaferei ti leei h N.D.

REPPAS: Einai gnwsto ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mporeite na moy peite, poio einai ayto to kaqestws;

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa kai epanalambanw oti o k. Giannopoylos anaferqhke sta qemata ayta kai sto plaisio ths synenteyjhs poy paraxwrhse.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis ti lete;

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: San kybernhsh@

REPPAS: Ma, san kybernhsh apanthsa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apantate sth N.D.

REPPAS: Se sas apanthsa. Opws qa deite sto <i><strong><FONT COLOR=#ff0000>briefing</FONT></strong></i> apanthsa se dikh sas erwthsh.

KONTOPOYLOS: O k. Giannopoylos xrhsimopoihse mia ekfrash poly sygkekrimenh, thn opoia epanelabe treis fores. Qa hqela, loipon, na mas peite, an eseis ws kybernhsh yioqeteite thn orologia ayth kai an xarakthrizete eystoxh thn topoqethsh toy ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs.

REPPAS: Kaqe anqrwpos xrhsimopoiei tis lejeis oi opoies apodidoyn ayto to opoio qelei o idios na paroysiasei sto akroathrio, sto opoio apeyqynetai. Hmoyn safhs se ayta ta opoia eipa, opws poly safhs htan kai o k. Giannopoylos. Htan toso safhs, wste na mhn epitrepetai opoiadhpote parermhneia. Kai pisteyw oti h synenteyjh poy paraxwrhse, me analytika stoixeia, dinei thn kalyterh apanthsh kai stoys pleon kakopistoys.

KONTOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia diafora. Oi dhlwseis toy ypoyrgoy htan se dhmosia sygkentrwsh kai oi apanthseis, oi opoies epikaleiste eginan se sygkekrimeno Meso Enhmerwshs. Nomizw oti ofeilete ws kybernhsh mia dhlwsh@

REPPAS: Kyrie Kontopoyle, ekplhssomai. Den egine se dhmosio xwro, den apeyqynetai se eqniko akroathrio kai sth mia periptwsh kai sthn allh o sygkekrimenos politikos paragwn; Giati kanete ayth th diaforopoihsh; Se eqniko akroathrio apeyqynqhke kai kata thn omilia toy sto kleisto ghpedo kai kata th synenteyjh poy paraxwrhse se thleoptiko staqmo.

FILHS: O k. Ypoyrgos epi ths Dikaiosynhs, proxqes, kai malista sth Boylh, alla kai katopin, pio xarakthristika sta kanalia, dhlwse oti gnwrizei oti stis roz kasetes den yparxei kanenas toy PASOK. Qa hqela na moy peite, ean ayth h meqodologia, na xrhsimopoioyntai oi plhrofories poy exei apo to ``kaqestws'' h apo to kratos, o ekastote ypoyrgos, me ayto ton epilektiko tropo, prwton, ean proagei to politiko klima poy qelei h kybernhsh na dhmioyrghqei enocei twn eklogwn kai deyteron, ean eseis ws ypeyqynos ypoyrgos Typoy, egkrinete th meqodologia, kapoios ypoyrgos na leei, ean einai toy PASOK h ths N.D. h toy Synaspismoy h opoioydhpote kommatos, oi prwtagwnistes twn diaforwn roz binteotainiwn. Qa to kanate eseis ayto;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, symfwnoyme oloi oti einai anepitrepto na synthreitai ayth h spermologia. Oi ciqyroi oi opoioi dhmioyrgoyn ena klima genikeymenhs kaxypocias enantion politikwn stelexwn, antilambaneste pws aytoi kai mono dhmioyrgoyn ena terastio problhma. Problhma koinwniko, problhma qesmiko. Me ayth thn ennoia, o k. Giannopoylos yperaspisthke thn timh ths politikhs kai thn timh twn politikwn kai toy kommatos toy. Ayto ofeile na kanei. Kai nomizw oti kaqenas o opoios qewrei oti prepei na topoqethqei epi enos zeontos qematos, mporei na to kanei, xwris, epanalambanw, na epitrecei thn ektojeysh kathgoriwn, opws ekanan kapoioi oi opoioi onomazontai dhmosiografoi, me tropo o opoios den mporei na ginei paradektos. Ayta prepei na einai safh.

FILHS: Esas rwtw, k. Ypoyrge, ws armodioteros toy k. Giannopoyloy gia qemata Typoy, ean exete plhrofories apo tis yphresies toy ``kaqestwtos'', opws leei o k. Giannopoylos. Egw lew tis kratikes yphresies, gia to poioi einai prwtagwnistes stis diafores binteotainies, qa bgainate kai qa legate oti den einai kanenas toy PASOK;

REPPAS: Giati me rwtate, afoy gnwrizete ti eipe o k. Giannopoylos, ti eipan alla stelexh, ti eipa ki egw;

FILHS: Gia sas lew.

REPPAS: Ma, den gnwrizete ti ekana egw, ti epraja ki an milhsa, ti eipa; Giati me rwtate, loipon;

FILHS: Eseis gnwrizate apo tis yphresies toy ``kaqestwtos'';

REPPAS: Den exw ypoch moy, doqentos oti egw den proistamai analogwn yphresiwn kai den exw me ayto to qema opoiadhpote amesh h emmesh sxesh, opws enas armodios ypoyrgos, poy einai o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs.

FILHS: Poiwn yphresiwn;

REPPAS: Apanthse se ayto kai o k. Giannopoylos. Exoyn doqei oles oi apanthseis kai einai plhreis.

FILHS: O k. Giannopoylos proistatai, me th gnwsth, malista, syntagmatikh pragmatikothta, twn yphresiwn ths Dikaiosynhs. Einai o politikos proistamenos sto xwro ths Dikaiosynhs. Apo kei leei oti den to emaqe. To emaqe apo alles yphresies, profanws toy ``kaqestwtos'', opws leei. Eseis gnwrizete, apo aytes tis yphresies tetoia stoixeia;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw tetoia stoixeia, den exoyn perielqei se gnwsh moy tetoia stoixeia, den endiaferomai na plhroforhqw otidhpote sxetiko me tetoies leptomereies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis den eiste mesa sto kaqestws;

REPPAS: Blepete poso astoxh einai h erwthsh, etsi toylaxiston opws th diatypwnete eseis; Asfalws, oxi. Kaneis den einai mesa sto kaqestws, etsi opws to ennoeite eseis, doqentos oti ta stelexh ths kybernhshs askoyn ta kaqhkonta toys gia mia orismenh syntagmatikh periodo, me entolh toy ellhnikoy laoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai h ESHEA se anakoinwsh ths kai o k. Tsoxatzopoylos se dhlwseis toy, lene oti oi nomoi poy yparxoyn gia ton Typo einai arketa isxyroi kai den xreiazetai na bgei to Proedriko Diatagma. H kybernhsh qa proxwrhsei;

REPPAS: Ayto den eipa, thn Paraskeyh;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayta poy sas rwtaw, eginan meta.

REPPAS: Sas parapempw se ayta poy eipa thn Paraskeyh. Eipa oti to isxyon nomiko kai qesmiko plaisio apotelei mia eparkh bash gia na antimetwpisoyme apotelesmatika ola ayta ta fainomena. To sxedio toy P.D., poy edw kai mhnes exei prowqhsei to Symboylio ths Epikrateias pros epejergasia kai prokeitai, pisteyw, na ekdoqei se liges hmeres kai na prowqhqei pros ypografh ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias, apotelei enarmonish ths eswterikhs nomoqesias pros thn koinotikh kai anaferetai se seira allwn qematwn, opws einai p.x. h xorhgia, h diafhmish, oi pwlhseis mesw thleoptikwn staqmwn kai h prostasia twn anhlikwn. Afora, epishs, kai qemata deontologias, thn opoia prepei na throyn ta MME, alla @

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ta balate, twra.

REPPAS: Kanete laqos. Oi kyrwseis, eite einai xrhmatika prostima, eite einai anastolh leitoyrgias enos thleoptikoy programmatos, isxyoyn kai problepontai apo to plaisio kyrwsewn, to opoio exoyme chfisei, hdh, to 1995. Problepontai oles aytes oi kyrwseis, oi ryqmiseis. Kai bebaiws, employtisthkan me to N. 2644/1998, poy chfisame prin apo enamish xrono.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gi` ayto lew, epeidh employtizetai synexeia enantion toy Typoy.

REPPAS: Yparxei mia parejhghsh, h opoia -qa moy epitrecete na pw- ofeiletai, eite se agnoia, eite se fygoponia. Giati kapoioi, an eixan diabasei ayta ta opoia eipa thn Paraskeyh, sto plaisio ths politikhs enhmerwshs, dhladh to keimeno toy <i><strong><FONT COLOR=#ff0000>briefing</FONT></strong></i>, den qa eixan kamia tetoia agnoia kai kamia amfibolia gia to ti isxyei. Ola ayta exoyn problefqei me kaqe leptomereia. Sas parapempw, loipon, se ayta ta opoia eipa thn Paraskeyh: eipa oti to isxyon plaisio einai eparkestato. Polloi qewrhsan oti oi ryqmiseis aytes eisagontai gia prwth fora me to P.D. Ola ayta poy aforoyn, eite th diakoph leitoyrgias staqmoy, eite xrhmatika prostima, den periexontai se ayto to P.D.. Problepontai, hdh, apo to 1995 kai apo to 1998. Hmoyn safhs thn Paraskeyh kai eida kapoioi, malista, na qewroyn oti emeis kataskeyazoyme ena keno. Kanena keno den kataskeyazoyme. Eipa thn Paraskeyh oti to plaisio einai plhres kai ypereparkes.

FILHS: Otan dyo ypoyrgoi, eseis me ton tropo poy anaferate kai twra kai thn Paraskeyh kai o k. Giannopoylos me ton tropo poy anefere thn Paraskeyh -o k. Giannopoylos ejaggellei, malista, nea nomoqetikh ryqmish- den yparxei keno diko sas@

REPPAS: O k. Giannopoylos eipe oti sygkroteitai mia Epitroph, h opoia qa asxolhqei genikotera me ayto to qema. Pisteyw oti einai xrhsimo to ergo mias tetoias Epitrophs.

FILHS: Kai qa toy proteinei diatajeis@

REPPAS: Tis opoies, bebaiws, qa tis syzhthsoyme me oloys toys endiaferomenoys foreis.

FILHS: Ara, loipon, einai qema neas nomoqesias.

REPPAS: Kanete laqos. Egw eipa, twra, opws kai thn Paraskeyh, oti to plaisio to opoio isxyei einai plhres.

FILHS: Den eiste o k. Giannopoylos.

REPPAS: O k. Giannopoylos, se omilia toy, eipe epishs oti einai symfwnos, pws oles aytes oi diatajeis ton kalyptoyn kai pragmati deixnoyn oti exoyme ena poly apotelesmatiko plaisio. To qema einai na efarmozetai ayto. An qelete na milhsoyme gia thn efarmogh, eyxaristws, eimai sth diaqesh sas.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Otan o Prwqypoyrgos apantoyse, thn prohgoymenh Tetarth, se sxetikh erwthsh sth Boylh kai elege oti apo 1hs Martioy qa apagoreyqoyn, me prwtoboylia ths kybernhshs, oi diafhmiseis poy xrhmatodotoyntai apo thn E.E., gnwrize th sxetikh apagoreysh apo thn armodia Koinotikh Epitroph gia to idio qema;

REPPAS: Poia einai h armodia Koinotikh Epitroph, th gnwrizete eseis;

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Diabasame oti yparxei mia Koinotikh Epitroph, h opoia eipe oti, mexri to telos Febroyarioy, qa prepei na analwqoyn tetoies diafhmiseis kai malista, yparxoyn kai dyo ypoyrgeia poy anaferontai.

REPPAS: Profanws, diabasate kati, alla den einai etsi opws to diabasate h toylaxiston opws to paroysiazete. Gnwrizete thn apanthsh poy edwse o Prwqypoyrgos se sxetikh erwthsh, thn prohgoymenh Tetarth. Thn Paraskeyh (4/2), o Prwqypoyrgos anakoinwse oti h xwra qa odhghqei se ekloges stis 9 Aprilioy. Liges hmeres meta, th Deytera poy akoloyqhse (7/2), me epistolh toy o armodios yfypoyrgos, o k. Paxtas, apeyqynomenos pros oloys toys Proedroys twn Epitropwn Parakoloyqhshs Efarmoghs toy K.P.S., zhthse ta programmata diafhmishs twn sxetikwn parembasewn na oloklhrwqoyn kai na stamathsoyn sto telos Febroyarioy, wste opws egine kai se alles periptwseis sto parelqon, gia ena diasthma peripoy 40 hmerwn prin apo tis ekloges -sthn periptwsh mas apo thn 1h Martioy- na mh diafhmizontai tetoioy eidoys energeies. Ayto exei anakoinwqei. Einai desmeysh poy exei analhfqei. H Epitroph sthn opoia anafereste, den einai kapoia Epitroph h opoia synedriazei anejelegkta, einai h Epitroph poy synedriazei sto ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias kai epanelabe to aytonohto. Ayto poy eixe, hdh, pei me thn epistolh toy o k. Paxtas, o opoios epanelabe ayto to opoio isxye kai stis prohgoymenes eklogikes anametrhseis. Sthn Epitroph ayth symmetexoyn, peran twn Proedrwn twn Epitropwn Parakoloyqhshs twn Ergwn kai koinotikoi empeirognwmones. Ayth einai mia qesh thn opoia exoyme pagiws. Den proekyce ayto twra. Etsi opws to qetete eseis, dinete thn entypwsh oti einai mia apofash poy elhfqh twra. Apo tis 7 Febroyarioy exei steilei sxetikh epistolh o k. Paxtas kai isxyei ayto apo tote. Einai desmeysh poy exoyme analabei.

KAPPOS: Den yparxei mia megalh antifash, anamesa se mia frontida ths kybernhshs apo th mia pleyra gia to deon genesqai, to opoio exei kai ena katalhktiko xroniko orio kai apo thn allh pleyra, enw prepei na yparxei ayto to katalhktiko xroniko orio, na yparxei mia kata koron diafhmish.

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei se ola ayta ta qemata. O Prwqypoyrgos htan idiaitera analytikos sthn apanthsh poy edwse sth Boylh. Exoyme milhsei kai edw, gi` ayta ta qemata.

SOYRMELH: H episkech toy Gkoytieres, einai episkech ergasias h epishmh episkech;

REPPAS: Einai episkech ergasias, sto plaisio toy gyroy twn prwteyoyswn poy pantote episkeptetai o ekastote proedreywn ths E.E., prin apo Synodoys Koryfhs.

Sas eyxaristw.

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