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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 22 Febroyarioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

FILHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sto Eyrwkoinoboylio, me poly megalh pleiochfia kai oles oi pteryges, zhtoyn na allajei mia diatajh ths symbashs gia th dikastikh syndromh, poy kat` arxhn exei apodexqei kai h Ellada, sto plaisio ths E.E., dioti me ayth ginontai ypoklopes apo mystikes yphresies, kata parabash twn eqnikwn nomoqesiwn se ola ta krath-melh ths E.E. Ti protiqetai na kanei h ellhnikh kybernhsh meta thn apofash toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, ayto einai ena poly shmantiko qema, giati afora, pragmati, ton tomea toy sebasmoy twn atomikwn dikaiwmatwn, twn dikaiwmatwn toy polith. To qema ayto einai poly dyskolo. Apodeiknyetai, allwste, h dyskolia toy apo to oti syzhteitai epi tria xronia, sto plaisio ths E.E. Einai ena qema to opoio ypagetai sto legomeno ``trito pylwna'' kai afora mia symbash ths E.E. gia thn antimetwpish poinikwn ypoqesewn, egklhmatwn ta opoia prepei oi xwres, synergazomenes metajy toys kai parexontas h mia sthn allh dikastikh syndromh, na antimetwpisoyn. To keimeno ayto den einai teliko. Ayth thn wra syzhteitai sthn armodia epitroph toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy, prokeimenoy to Eyrwkoinoboylio na diatypwsei th dikh toy gnwmh. Oi parathrhseis poy exoyn diatypwqei epi toy eishghtikoy keimenoy apo polloys ekproswpoys twn xwrwn, einai para polles. To qema ayto paramenei anoikto. Epanalambanw pws h syzhthsh ginetai sto plaisio toy legomenoy ``tritoy pylwna'' kai afora th dikastikh syndromh, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn poinikes ypoqeseis kai tipote allo. Alla, bebaiws, einai ena ejairetikhs shmasias qema kai gi` ayto akribws, kai emeis kai alles xwres, symmetexoyme se aytes tis syzhthseis, diatypwnoyme toys problhmatismoys mas, ypo to prisma pantote toy sebasmoy twn dikaiwmatwn toy polith se kaqe xwra, poy prepei na ginontai sebasta, kyriws ayta.

FILHS: O armodios koinotikos epitropos eipe, xqes, oti h Ellada exei synainesei kat` arxhn gia thn epimaxh diatajh twn thlefwnikwn parakoloyqhsewn.

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, h epimaxh diatajh, an anafereste sto arqro 18, exei hdh allajei, se sxesh me th diatypwsh poy eixe otan prwtodiatypwqhke to keimeno ayto. Epeita, oles oi xwres exoyn dexqei oti einai ena qema to opoio prepei na syzhthsoyn kai na antimetwpisoyn kai se aytes tis syzhthseis metexei h Ellada me ton ekproswpo ths, sthn armodia omada poy to syzhta, opws kai oi alles xwres ths E.E. Den yparxei tipota allo, peran aytoy.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: H kybernhsh yioqetei tis ekfraseis toy ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs k. Giannopoyloy, otan o ypoyrgos, synomilwntas me mia ypochfia boyleyth toy KKE, thn apokalei ``patsaboyra'', leei gia th Genikh Grammatea toy KKE, thn ka Paparhga, oti qa thn kaqisei sto skamni@ Ayta entassontai sthn apoch poy exei o k. Giannopoylos oti yparxei kapoio kaqestws sthn Ellada h einai kati allo;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw se ti anafereste, mporw na pw omws @

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Se ekpomph toy MEGA, shmera to prwi.

REPPAS: @mporw na pw, omws, oti h kybernhsh milaei kaqe mera -opws poly kala gnwrizete- mesw toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy. Bebaiws, kaqe politikos paragwn kai oi ypoyrgoi, exoyn thn eyqynh twn oswn prattoyn kai legoyn. Pisteyw oti den yparxei periqwrio -prepei na einai kapoios arketa kakopistos gia na anakalycei ena tetoio periqwrio- se periptwseis san ayth toy synadelfoy E. Giannopoyloy na diatypwnontai kathgories oti eixe kapoio logo na blacei thn timh h thn ypolhch kapoioy sympolith toy, apeyqynomenos ston sympolith ayton me kapoio apajiwtiko tropo. Gnwrizete poly kala oti kaqe politikos exei to diko toy tropo na syzhta. Ayto exei ginei paradekto.

TAKHS: ``Patsaboyra'';

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw, pragmatika den gnwrizw, giati den exw parakoloyqhsei th syzhthsh ayth. Alla, epeidh qelw na eimai eilikrinhs mazi sas, an eixa parakoloyqhsei to dialogo, qa mporoysa na exw ena symperasma. Den gnwrizw apolytws tipota se sxesh me to dialogo ston opoio anafereste, ton opoio epikaleiste.

TAKHS: Nai, alla to xarakthrismo mporeite na ton sxoliasete.

REPPAS: Egw den qa xrhsimopoioysa ayth th lejh. Egw xrhsimopoiw alles lejeis, tis opoies, omws, den qa xrhsimopoioyse kapoios allos synadelfos. Nomizw oti prepei na deite th syzhthsh sto synolo ths, giati synhqws, otan temaxizoyme ton eirmo toy omiloyntos, odhgoymaste sthn ejagwgh symperasmatwn poy den apodidoyn pantote ayto to opoio qelei na pei kai ton tropo me ton opoio qelei na to pei aytos o opoios omilei.

TAKIS: Kai h sygkekrimenh frash elexqh polles fores, oxi mono mia.

REPPAS: Afoy to lete eseis, to dexomai oti einai etsi. Alla, sas kalw kai pali, na bgazete to politiko symperasma sas apo to synolo mias syzhthshs kai oxi apomonwnontas kapoies fraseis h kapoies lejeis, me tis opoies einai dikaiwma sas na diafwneite@

TAKIS: Pantws, apo to synolo ths syzhthshs, bghke oti o k. Giannopoylos, molis fygei apo ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, exei thn proqesh na kaqisei poly kosmo sto skamni.

REPPAS: O k. Giannopoylos einai poliths, opws oloi oi alloi polites ayths ths xwras. Den exei meiwmena dikaiwmata. Nomizw oti ton tima kai mono to oti den xrhsimopoiei th qesh toy ws ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs poy einai shmera, gia na ``kaqisei kosmo sto skamni''. Kai xrhsimopoiw th dikh sas ekfrash. Nomizw oti o k. Giannopoylos exei krathsei mia isorropia askwntas ta kaqhkonta toy kai ayto prepei na to anagnwrisete kai eseis.

ARGYROS: Poio htan to antikeimeno ths shmerinhs synanthshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy me thn ka Dhmhtra Papandreoy;

REPPAS: Exoyn ginei dhlwseis kai apodidoyn to periexomeno twn synomiliwn poy eginan sto plaisio ayths ths synanthshs. Den prokyptei tipota allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis den jerate gia th shmerinh synanthsh;

REPPAS: Asfalws, opws gnwrizw kai gia alles synanthseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati den mas to eipate;

REPPAS: Eipa oti anaferomai, en taxei, stis pio kentrikes drasthriothtes poy exei o Prwqypoyrgos, ayth thn ebdomada. Den einai dynato na anaferomai se oles tis synanthseis poy exei o Prwqypoyrgos, ana misawro h ana mia wra. Den exei ginei pote ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den thn qewrhsate shmantikh;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei polles synanthseis me synergates toy, alla, bebaiws, den einai sto plaisio ths askhshs twn kybernhtikwn kaqhkontwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy, poy synantatai me ypoyrgoys, poy proedreyei se diafores syskeceis. Tetoioy eidoys synanthseis, oi opoies exoyn xarakthra perissotero proetoimasias ths kybernhshs kai toy PASOK, enocei twn eklogwn, antilambaneste pws den empiptoyn, apolytws kai sth dikh moy armodiothta.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Qa politeyqei h k. Papandreoy me to PASOK;

REPPAS: Ekane sxetikh dhlwsh kai h idia kai eipe oti den teqhke, oyte tiqetai tetoio qema.

FILHS: Peite mas th skopimothta ayths ths synanthshs;

REPPAS: Htan epiqymia ths xhras toy idryth toy PASOK na ginei ayth h synanthsh. H synanthsh ayth egine kai entassetai sto plaisio ths kalyterhs proetoimasias toy PASOK, enocei twn erxomenwn eklogwn.

FILHS: Exei sxesh me tis ekloges ayth h synanthsh, ths k. Papandreoy me ton k. Shmith;

REPPAS: Asfalws, exei sxesh me thn kalyterh proetoimasia toy PASOK enocei twn eklogwn.

FILHS: Ti eidoys kalyterh proetoimasia;

REPPAS: Oles aytes oi synergasies toy Proedroy toy PASOK, ginontai gia enan kai mono skopo: Na proetoimasei to PASOK tis dynameis toy, gia na dwsei nikhfora thn eklogikh maxh. Oloi oi politikoi arxhgoi kanoyn analoges synanthseis se diafora epipeda. Kaqenas, pisteyw oti me ayto to prisma, qa prepei na ermhneysei aytes tis drasthriothtes.

FILHS: H k. Dhmhtra Papandreoy ti politiko rolo diadramatizei, wste mia synanthsh mazi ths.

REPPAS: Mh sas enoxlei toso poly. Deixnete mia enoxlhsh thn opoia den mporw na ejhghsw.

FILHS: Oxi, rwtw. Poio politiko rolo diadramatizei h k. Papandreoy, wste h synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo na mhn einai koinwnikoy xarakthra, alla politikoy, opws eipate prin apo ligo;

REPPAS: H ka Papandreoy einai h xhra toy idryth mas. Anhkei sto PASOK. Ayth thn krisimh wra, tis paramones mias eklogikhs anametrhshs, h ka Papandreoy eixe zhthsei na synanthqei me ton prwqypoyrgo kai Proedro toy PASOK. Ayth h synanthsh egine kai syzhthsan qemata, ta opoia exoyn sxesh me thn prospaqeia toy PASOK na nikhsei stis epomenes ekloges. Ayto einai fysiko.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Syzhthsan thn ekkremothta gia to spiti;

REPPAS: Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. Hmoyn safhs sta osa eipa, opws htan poly safhs kai h k. Papandreoy sth dhlwsh poy ekane.

BITALHS: Se ena allo qema. Arxika, sthn periodeia toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn anatolikh Makedonia kai th Qrakh, eixe anakoinwqei oti qa symmetexoyn h ypoyrgos Eswterikwn Basw Papandreoy kai o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn Giwrgos Papandreoy. Gia poio logo den akoloyqhsan thn periodeia;

REPPAS: Gnwrizw ena qema, to opoio dhmioyrgeitai apo shmerina dhmosieymata se efhmerides. Anakalyptontai qemata ekei poy den yparxoyn. Yphrje mia protash apo to kommatiko epiteleio to klimakio na stelexwqei apo ta sygkekrimena stelexh, ta opoia eixan alles proteraiothtes kai kriqhke telikws oti den yphrxe kanenas logos symmetoxhs toys se ayth thn periodeia toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn perioxh, poy eixe ena poly sygkekrimeno antikeimeno. O Prwqypoyrgos, telikws, opws apofasisthke, asxolhqhke kyriws me ena megalo ergo poy einai h Egnatia Odos, me to Fysiko Aerio kai, bebaiws, egkainiase, to kleisto Gymnasthrio ths Janqhs, apeyqynontas me thn eykairia ayth kai omilia sto plhqysmo ths perioxhs. Den eixe programma epafhs me toys topikoys foreis gia thn antimetwpish diaforwn qematwn, pragma to opoio qa epebale -an ayto ginotan, opws egine se alles periodeies toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto parelqon- th symmetoxh kai allwn ypoyrgwn kai kybernhtikwn stelexwn se ayto to klimakio. Ayth einai h diafora. Ara, h protash diatypwqhke gia th stelexwsh toy klimakioy, me th skech oti ayto qa htan kai to periexomeno ths episkechs. To periexomeno ths episkechs apofasisthke na einai diaforetiko, etsi, diamorfwqhke, analogws, kai to klimakio poy synodeyse ton Prwqypoyrgo. Ayto kai tipota allo.

BITALHS: Dhladh@;

REPPAS: Ti, dhladh, qelete ejhghsh;

BITALHS: Exw mia aporia.

REPPAS: Ti aporia exete; To keimeno sto opoio anafereste einai to keimeno poy bghke sthn arxh.

BITALHS: Thn paramonh ths episkechs toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Qrakh@

REPPAS: @tote efqase se esas.

BITALHS: Thn paramonh, omws, anakoinwqhke ayto.

REPPAS: Kyrie Bitalh, pairnei pia morfh ``anakrishs''. Sas lew oti ayth einai h alhqeia kai ayth einai h qesh mas. Yparxei periptwsh na sas peisw; Gi ayto meidiw. Peite moy; Edw, blepw na grafontai fobera pragmata !!!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me ayta poy lete pws na mas peisete;

REPPAS: Ma, exw paraithqei apo ayth thn prospaqeia, k. Stamatopoyle, giati isxyei sthn periptwsh mas syxna, to ``oy me peiseis kan me peiseis''. Loipon, exw maqei na eimai realisths kai gnwrizw poly kala ta oria entos twn opoiwn prepei na kinoymaste. Arkei na to antilambaneste ki eseis ayto.

BITALHS: Sto qema twn armodiothtwn. To ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, gia paradeigma, exei sthn armodiothta toy, twra teleytaia kai orqws, to qema poy afora th moysoylmanikh meionothta sth Qrakh. O Prwqypoyrgos, malista, eixe kai mia synanthsh me ekproswpoys ths moysoylmanikhs meionothtas kai syzhthse gia to qema twn sxolikwn bibliwn. Den htan armodiothta kai ths ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn kai toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn;

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa gi ayta ta qemata. Sas parakalw !!! Gnwrizete poly kala kai epimenw se ayto, oti h diarqrwsh toy programmatos se ayth thn periodeia, htan diaforetikh se sxesh me alles periodeies sto parelqon. Ayto kai mono ypagoreyse thn analogh stelexwsh toy kybernhtikoy klimakioy. Tipota allo. Loipon, mhn epimenete na anakalyptete qemata.

KAPPOS: Mexri kai xqes, stis fylakes Korydalloy, ejakoloyqoysan na kanoyn apergia peinas dyo kratoymenoi, o Karpoyzos kai o Katsilas. Aytoi einai profylakismenoi gia kapoia epeisodia. Mallon, eixan syllhfqei se kapoia epeisodia sto Polytexneio. Aytoi oi anqrwpoi diateinontai oti einai aqwoi. Qa hqela na rwthsw -kai me dedomeno oti syzhthqhke, edw xqes, para polles fores h lejh ``kaqestws''- pws qa symperiferqei to kaqestws ayto apenanti toys.

REPPAS: Oloi oi kratoymenoi antimetwpizontai symfwna me toys kanonismoys leitoyrgias poy epikratoyn stis ellhnikes fylakes. Den yparxei idiaiterh metaxeirish, eite pros to kalytero, eite pros to xeirotero gia opoiondhpote. Kaqenas antimetwpizetai me sebasmo gia ta dikaiwmata toy, akomh ki otan einai kratoymenos se fylakh.

KAPPOS: H diafora einai oti milame gia 34h hmera apergias peinas.

REPPAS: Xairomai gia thn eyaisqhsia poy epideiknyete. Prepei na sas pw oti kai h dikh mas eyaisqhsia den einai se mikrotero baqmo apo th dikh sas. Qelw na sas diabebaiwsw gi` ayto.

FILHS: Exete kapoia diabebaiwsh oti qa yparjei parembash toy ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs gia to qema; Se alles periptwseis exete deijei mia eyaisqhsia.

REPPAS: Pantote deixnoyme eyaisqhsia kai xairomai poy to anagnwrizete. Alla thn eyaisqhsia poy epideiknyoyme, thn anagnwrizete katopin eorths. Ekeinh thn wra pantote anakalyptete pws logoi skopimothtas thn epiballoyn. Katopin eorths kai otan pia den exei kamia idiaiterh politikh shmasia, mporeite etsi adapanws, na anagnwrisete thn eyaisqhsia ths kybernhshs. Sas parakalw na to kanete egkairws kai epikairws ayto, wste na exoyme kai emeis thn entypwsh oti pragmati anagnwrizetai h prospaqeia mas. O ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs qa kanei o,ti prepei na kanei.

KAPPOS: Kai emeis rwtame egkairws kai epikairws, dioti ayth th stigmh oi anqrwpoi exoyn metaferqei sto nosokomeio me sobara traymata ygeias. Apeileitai h zwh toys. Ara, einai o,ti pio epikairo kai egkairo, ayto poy rwtame ayth th stigmh..

REPPAS: Den antilegw oti einai sobaro qema. Kai sas eipa kai epanalambanw pws h dikh mas eyaisqhsia einai sto idio epipedo me th dikh sas. Qa ginei o,ti prepei na ginei. Mhn exete kamia amfibolia gi` ayto. Asfalws endiaferomaste na perifroyrhqei h zwh twn anqrwpwn. Asfalws, qa prepei na perifroyrhqei. Den eimaste emeis ekeinoi oi opoioi qa th qesoyme se kindyno h qa epitrecoyme oi anqrwpoi aytoi na breqoyn se shmeio mh anastrecimo, wste na mhn einai dynato na antimetwpistei h katastash toys.

FILHS: Thn prohgoymenh ebdomada sas eixa rwthsei gia to qema ths apostolhs ellhnikhs dynamhs apo to Oyrosebats sth Mitrobitsa. Mexri ekeinh th stigmh poy miloysame, eixate pei oti den yphrxe kapoia entolh na metabei ellhnikh dynamh sth Mitrobitsa. Xqes, diabasame mia anakoinwsh poy esteile to Geniko Epiteleio Eqnikhs Amynas, poy leei oti apo 15 Ianoyarioy eixe prowqhqei h ellhnikh dynamh sth Mintrobitsa kai hdh epestrece sth bash ths sto Oyrosebats. Qa hqela na moy peite, ti akribws synebh.

REPPAS: Qa sas pw ti synebh. Synebh ayto to opoio eipa. H dynamh h opoia eixe egkatastaqei sthn perioxh ekeinh, paramenei sthn edra poy egkatastaqhke. Kai qa deite oti egw hmoyn safhs otan eipa, oti ta enopla tmhmata ths xwras mas paramenoyn sthn edra poy htan eyqys ejarxhs. Asfalws, einai alhqeia, oti gia diasthma ligwn hmerwn, apo tis 15 ews tis 19 Febroyarioy, ena mikro tmhma enisxyse th dynamh, h opoia sth Mitrobitsa askhse kaqhkonta astynomeyshs sthn perioxh, prokeimenoy na dhmioyrghsei synqhkes tajhs kai asfaleias. Den yphrje, opws eipa eyqys ejarxhs, kanenas logos anhsyxias gia toys Ellhnes stratiwtes. Epishs, eixa pei tote kai shmera epanalambanw, oti h edra mas paramenei ayth poy eyqys ejarxhs eixe kaqoristei. Den allazei tipota ws pros ayto. Kai oyte yparxei qema na enisxysoyme tis dynameis mas ekei me stratiwtes kai ajiwmatikoys apo thn Ellada.

Sas eyxaristw.

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