Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-12-13

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 13 Dekembrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

* Ayth thn wra, o Prwqypoyrgos episkeptetai ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Qa ton enhmerwsei gia tis teleytaies ejelijeis.

* Ayrio, o Prwqypoyrgos paraxwrei synenteyjh Typoy, sto plaisio toy geymatos poy organwnei pros timhn toy h Enwsh Jenwn Antapokritwn, sth 1 to meshmeri. Antilambaneste oti ayrio den qa eimaste edw, afoy qa ginei, sto plaisio toy geymatos, h synenteyjh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Qa synanthqoyme pali thn Tetarth.

* Thn Tetarth, sth Boylh kai meta apo aithsh toy k. Tsobola, qa ginei h pro hmerhsias diatajhs syzhthsh se epipedo politikwn arxhgwn, gia qemata ejwterikhs politikhs.

* Thn Pempth, o Prwqypoyrgos organwnei dejiwsh, pros timhn twn boyleytwn toy PASOK, sto Megaro Majimoy, enocei twn eortwn.

* Thn Paraskeyh, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Antikeimeno syzhthshs, h Politistikh Olympiada, enas neos qesmos, ton opoio eishghqhke h xwra mas, enocei ths Olympiadas toy 2004 kai alla synafh qemata. To apogeyma ths Paraskeyhs qa arxisei sth Boylh h syzhthsh gia ton Proypologismo. O Prwqypoyrgos, ws gnwston, qa labei to logo kata to kleisimo ths syzhthshs, thn Trith 21 Dekembrioy.

* To Sabbato, gnwrizete, oti pros timhn twn leitoyrgwn twn MME, o Proedros ths Dhmokratias paraqetei dejiwsh. Qa einai parwn kai o Prwqypoyrgos.

* Prin mpoyme sta qemata poy sas endiaferoyn, qa kanw mia anafora se ena qema armodiothtas moy, giati blepw oti grafetai stis efhmerides ena poly endiaferon qema, to opoio qewrhsame oti den einai tipota allo para meros ths doyleias mas kai kaqhkon mas kai den sas enhmerwsame idiaiterws. Afora ena sxedio Proedrikoy Diatagmatos, poy exoyme prowqhsei sto Symboylio ths Epikrateias. To sxedio P. D. apotelei enarmonish ths ellhnikhs nomoqesias stis koinotikes diatajeis gia th leitoyrgia twn MME. Ayto to sxedio P. D. exei arketa arqra, perilambanontai ryqmiseis gia poly shmantika zhthmata, opws ayta poy aforoyn toys oroys kai tis proypoqeseis gia th metadosh thleoptikwn diafhmisewn, ayta poy aforoyn th xorhgia thleoptikwn programmatwn, toys oroys kai tis proypoqeseis metadoshs programmatwn thlepwlhshs kai bebaiws, perilambanontai diatajeis poy aforoyn para poly shmantika qemata, opws h prostasia twn anhlikwn me th qespish, gia prwth fora, ws ypoxrewtikh, ths shmanshs twn radiothleoptikwn programmatwn kai akomh to dikaiwma epanorqwshs, entos apokleistikhs proqesmias 20 hmerwn, poy dikaioytai kaqe poliths na diekdikhsei, otan qewrei oti qigetai. Ola ayta kai arketa akomh perilambanontai se ayto to sxedio P. D. To keimeno einai 17 selidwn kai exei hdh prowqhqei sto StE gia ton problepomeno elegxo. Einai poly shmantikh doyleia.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exei prohghqei kapoios dialogos gi ayto to P. D. me ta endiaferomena merh;

REPPAS: To P. D. -epanalambanw- apotelei enarmonish ths ellhnikhs nomoqesias stis koinotikes arxes. Edw kai kairo, gia diafora epimeroys qemata, me epistoles poy exoyme aposteilei se endiaferomenoys foreis, exoyme zhthsei tis apoceis toys. Alloi exoyn apanthsei, alloi oxi. Ayto ginetai synhqws. Hdh, oi proqesmies poy eixame sth diaqesh mas eteinan na ejantlhqoyn, gi ayto akribws proxwrhsame sthn katartish kai ypobolh aytoy toy sxedioy P. D. sto St. E.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egine dialogos me thn ESHEA, me toys alloys endiaferomenoys foreis;

REPPAS: Einai koinotikh nomoqesia. Den synhqizetai na allazei h koinotikh nomoqesia an to zhtoyn kapoioi endiaferomenoi. Aplws, exoyme th dynatothta kata thn enarmonish ayth, opws leme, me bash tis koinotikes diatajeis, na proxwroyme se safesteres kai plhresteres diatypwseis h oriakes beltiwseis. Alla, panta paramenoyme sto idio pneyma. Einai enarmonish me thn koinotikh nomoqesia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Tote den yparxei dialogos...

REPPAS: Jerw pws qa to ermhneysete, gi ayto den xreiazetai na sas apanthsw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Jerw kai th dikh sas taktikh.

REPPAS: Giati rwtate, afoy thn jerete; Eseis ola ta jerete, allwste, alla eiste aytos poy kanete tis perissoteres erwthseis. Ayto kati shmainei.

KARAGIANNH: Exw dyo erwthseis gia dyo diaforetika qemata. To prwto anaferetai se shmerino dhmosieyma toy "ELEYQEROY TYPOY". To dhmosieyma afora nomosxedio ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs gia th symbash me thn etaireia KABALA OIL gia thn ekmetalleysh twn petrelaikwn koitasmatwn ston Prino. Sto arqro, omws, 28 toy nomosxedioy....

REPPAS: Gia thn anwtera bia...

KARAGIANNH: Nai, akribws. Diatypwnetai, metajy allwn, se oti afora thn anwtera bia, poy ap oti eida to gnwrizete, oti qa mporoysan oi ergasies aytes na anastaloyn sthn periptwsh chfishs enos nomoy apo allodaph kybernhsh. Einai profanes oti to mono endiaferon poy yparxei einai apo thn Toyrkia...

REPPAS: Mporeite na diabasete to keimeno toy nomoy, epi lejei, parakalw, gia na antilhfqoyme oloi peri tinos prokeitai;

KARAGIANNH: Bebaiws. Einai to arqro 28: "Me ton oro "anwtera bia", opws xrhsimopoieitai sthn paroysa symbash, noeitai kaqe peristatiko to opoio den einai dynaton na problefqei h kaqe katastash h opoia ekfeygei apo ton elegxo kaqenos twn symballomenwn merwn kai perilambanei endeiktika ena h perissotera peristatika apo ta ejhs: Qeomhnies, epidhmies, seismoys, pyrkagies, apergies, antapergies, polemoys, empolemes katastaseis, prajeis ellhnikoy dhmosioy -to erwthma moy einai synafes me thn epomenh seira- h allodaphs kybernhshs me morfh nomoy h allh". To erwthma, loipon, einai me poia logikh, h ellhnikh kybernhsh emfanizetai na aytodesmeyetai se endexomenh ajiwsh ths Toyrkias sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, na stamathsoyn oi ergasies kai malista ergasies poy ginontai entos ths ellhnikhs epikrateias.

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti h ermhneia poy dinete einai kata to koinws legomeno "trabhgmenh apo ta mallia". Tetoies diatajeis perilambanontai se oles tis analoges symbaseis. Mporeite na anatrejete sto parelqon, se paromoies symbaseis kai qa deite tetoies diatypwseis. Einai kati to opoio, kata typiko sxedon tropo, epanalambanetai. Den exei opoiadhpote sxesh trito kratos h h Toyrkia -en prokeimenw, opws anaferetai sto sxetiko dhmosieyma- me th dhmioyrgia mias etaireias -giati ayto problepei h symbash poy syzhteitai thn erxomenh Paraskeyh sth Boylh- poy qa ekmetalleyqei ta koitasmata petrelaioy sth qesh Prinos. Einai mia amigws ellhnikh etaireia h KABALA OIL. Se ayto to sxhma symmetexoyn kata 30% oi ergazomenoi sthn etaireia kai ayto einai mia poly shmantikh ryqmish, einai mia tomh, giati gnwrizete ti problhmata eixan proklhqei sto prosfato parelqon. Apo kei kai pera, asfalws, den ypokeitai ston elegxo opoioydhpote tritoy h leitoyrgia ths epixeirhshs ayths. Pantote, se aytes tis periptwseis -sas kalw kai pali na anatrejete sto parelqon- perilambanontai tetoies diatypwseis, tetoies diatajeis poy aforoyn aproblepta gegonota kai den exoyn sxesh me thn epiqymia tritwn xwrwn na empodisoyn gia dikoys toys logoys, poly perissotero poy afora th dikh mas epikrateia, th leitoyrgia mias tetoias epixeirhshs. Alla, epeidh stis symbaseis aytes yparxoyn dikaiwmata, ypoxrewseis kai rhtres qa prepei, pantote, na ginetai ayth h problech. Exei perissotero typiko xarakthra. Den exei opoiadhpote sxesh me thn ermhneia thn opoia dinete.

KARAGIANNH: Dhladh, qewreite, epeidh anaferqhkate se eidiko logo, oti to nomosxedio den einai anoixto se ermhneies poy qa mporoysan na xrhsimopoihqoyn apo thn allh pleyra;

REPPAS: Asfalws, oxi. To kanete mono eseis. Kai aporw giati.

KARAGIANNH: Qa hqela na rwthsw, epishs, an epikeitai synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me to boyleyth k. Soyflia kai an h kybernhsh endiaferetai gia dieyrynsh twn chfodeltiwn ths, twn eklogikwn syndyasmwn ths, me th symmetoxh kai proswpwn poy den anhkoyn sto diko ths xwro.

REPPAS: Ayto den afora thn kybernhsh, afora to politiko kinhma poy sthrizei thn kybernhsh. Tetoia qemata, antilambaneste, pws ta xeirizontai ta armodia organa toy Kinhmatos. Mporw na sas pw, omws, gia na mh qewrhsete oti den apantw, oti den problepetai kapoia tetoia synanthsh sto programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Apo thn allh, ayto to opoio moy dinete thn eykairia na pw, me aformh thn erwthsh sas, einai toyto: Asfalws, to PASOK einai ena megalo Kinhma polysyllektiko kai exei th dynatothta stoys kolpoys toy na krata stelexh mias eyreias ideologikhs kai politikhs gkamas. Qewroyme oti h prospaqeia poy kaname, mexri twra, kai prepei na synexisoyme me akomh megalyterh epityxia ta epomena xronia, epiballei th systrateysh olwn twn anqrwpwn poy endiaferontai gia to mellon ths xwras kai toy ellhnikoy laoy, katw apo to idio programma. Ypo ayto to prisma, mporoyn ta panta na syzhthqoyn. Alla, epanalambanw -kai kleinw etsi- den yparxei otidhpote to opoio na afora to qema to opoio qesate me thn erwthsh sas.

KARASABBA: Exete kati sxetiko gia tis hmeromhnies poy qa episkefqoyn o Prwqypoyrgos kai o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn thn Toyrkia;

REPPAS: Den yparxei otidhpote sxetiko. Den exei programmatistei otidhpote.

GARGALAKOS: Exete kapoio sxolio gia tis antidraseis ths Antipoliteyshs, sxetika me th symfwnia ths Synodoy Koryfhs;

REPPAS: Den xreiazetai na dwsoyme apanthseis stis antidraseis aytes. To tmhma ekeino ths Antipoliteyshs poy antidra me tropo poy deixnei aneyqynothta, antidra etsi, giati, eite den gnwrizei pws exoyn ta pragmata, eite gnwrizei pws exoyn ta pragmata kai ta parapoiei gia antipoliteytikoys logoys. Ayto, omws, fanerwnei adynamia. Kai sth mia kai sthn allh periptwsh, einai katwteroi twn peristasewn, opoioi qewroyn pws ayto to opoio symfwnhqhke sto Elsinki -enw einai gnwsto kai apodekto oti diasfalizei apolytws ta eqnika symferonta kai antapokrinetai stis epidiwjeis ths ellhnikhs ejwterikhs politikhs- yponomeyei ta eqnika symferonta. Tetoioy eidoys aitiaseis kai kathgories den exoyn qesh se ena dialogo, poly perissotero, otan o dialogos aytos afora toso shmantika, toso krisima qemata. Ekei xreiazetai na eimaste cyxraimoi, nhfalioi, gnwstes kai eilikrineis. Kai ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs poy katakrinoyn thn kybernhsh, aytes tis dynatothtes fainetai den tis exoyn. Paramenoyn ston kosmo ths mikropolitikhs poy exoyn epilejei gia na anaptyssoyn thn politikh drasthriothta toys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai eseis kai o Prwqypoyrgos, tis prohgoymenes hmeres, mas legate oti h monh diafora poy exoyme me thn Toyrkia kai dexomaste na pame sth Xagh, einai h yfalokrhpida. Poies pieseis askhqhkan kai allaje ayto poy legate kai dexosaste ta panta, twra, gkrizes zwnes, ta panta;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos epanelabe sth synenteyjh poy paraxwrhse sto Elsinki, oti h monh diafora poy anagnwrizei h Ellada oti yparxei, einai ayth poy afora thn yfalokrhpida kai epiteloys, gi ayto to qema, poy paramenei alyto kai ekkremes gia para polla xronia, qa prepei na prohghqei enas dialogos gia na synafqei synyposxetiko, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistei kai na lyqei to qema apo to Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs. Einai ena nomiko problhma poy prepei na lyqei. Einai wrimes oi synqhkes. Ola ta alla sta opoia anafereste, den exoyn dosh alhqeias. Gia enan poly aplo logo: Kai o k. Karamanlhs kai alloi politikoi, kata kairoys, zhtoyn apo thn Toyrkia na paysei na xrhsimopoiei apeiles gia xrhsh bias h na paysei na xrhsimopoiei bia. Edw, to Eyrwpaiko Symboylio yperakontise aytes tis topoqethseis. Den ypodeiknyei sta ypochfia krath kai sthn Toyrkia ti prepei na apofeygoyn, ti den prepei na kanoyn dhladh, na mh xrhsimopoioyn bia h na mhn apeiloyn oti qa xrhsimopoihsoyn bia. Peran aytoy, epiballei mia sygkekrimenh desmeysh sta ypochfia krath, kai sthn Toyrkia en prokeimenw. Thn ypoxrewnei na proseggizei eirhnika, qemata ta opoia ekeinh qewrei oti yparxoyn kai synistoyn diafores kata thn apoch ths. Kai bebaiws, efoson me thn eirhnikh proseggish den katorqwsei ayto poy ekeinh h pleyra, to ypochfio kratos, qewrei oti synista problhma na to antimetwpisei kai na to lysei, qa prepei to qema ayto na odhgeitai sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs. Kai malista, mias tetoias diadikasias, qa epilambanetai to idio to Eyrwpaiko Symboylio, to opoio, allwste, qa ajiologei th stash twn ypochfiwn kratwn kai ston tomea ayto, enocei ths poreias toys mesa sthn E. E. Ayto jeperna tis qeseis, gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma, poy exoyn diatypwsei ola ta politika kommata. Einai kati poly peran twn oswn eixan zhthqei apo ta alla politika kommata. Oloi zhtoyn na mh xrhsimopoiei bia h Toyrkia h na mhn apeilei oti qa xrhsimopoihsei bia. Kai erxetai h E. E. kai leei "oxi mono qa apofeygeis na milas gia bia h na xrhsimopoieis bia, alla ypoxrewnesai, rhta kai kathgorhmatika, na proseggizeis kai na antimetwpizeis eirhnika, ta qemata poy qewreis oti yparxoyn". Emeis qewroyme oti yparxei mia diafora kai einai ayth poy afora thn yfalokrhpida. Pantote, oloi sthn Ellada elegan pws an kapoios exei epidiwjeis h amfisbhthseis, qa prepei na tis diekdikhsei mesw toy Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs. H ryqmish ayth den einai tipote allo, para ayto poy ws dynatothta h Toyrkia eixe kai perysi kai propersi. Exoyme anagnwrisei th genikh dikaiodosia toy Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs. H Toyrkia mporoyse na prosfygei p. x. perysi sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs h ena mhna prin, xwris na xreiazetai th dikh mas symfwnia h egkrish. Gia ayto den ginotan o logos toso kairo;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia poio pragma;

REPPAS: Gi ayto poy qewrei ekeinh oti apotelei diafora ths me thn Ellada. Den epiballetai periorismos se ayto. Th genikh dikaiodosia toy Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs thn exoyme anagnwrisei. Alla, bebaiws, ayto apexei poly apo osa kapoioi isxyrizontai oti mporoyme na syzhthsoyme, poy aforoyn ta nhsia h alla qemata. Ola osa isxyrizontai kapoioi, den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn alhqeia. Parakalw, se ayta ta qemata poy einai poly sobara, na eimaste pio sygkrathmenoi kai cyxraimoi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mexri twra, legate mono gia thn yfalokrhpida dexomaste na pame se dialogo me thn Toyrkia. An exei alles apaithseis qa pate, giati anoijate oloklhro qema, twra;

REPPAS: Ayth thn entypwsh exete eseis. Eseis to anoigete kai lypoymai giati to kanete. Giati, an MME, dhmosiografoi h politikoi sthn Ellada, dinoyn ayth thn entypwsh, den kanoyn tipote allo, para na dinoyn epixeirhmata sthn allh pleyra, ta opoia oyte h idia h allh pleyra ta exei xrhsimopoihsei. To lew ayto, giati sto shmeio 4 ths apofashs, h anafora den exei sxesh me ta krath-melh ths E. E. H anafora poy ginetai sxetizetai me ta ypochfia krath kai tis diafores poy ekeina qewroyn oti exoyn. Den ypoxrewnetai h Ellada h kapoio kratos-melos na symfwnhsei me mia allh pleyra poy diatypwnei th diafora gia mia orismenh diadikasia. Oyte emeis exoyme analabei opoiadhpote tetoia ypoxrewsh. Emeis eipame poio einai to problhma poy yparxei kai poia einai h diafora nomikoy xarakthra poy exoyme me thn Toyrkia, einai h yfalokrhpida. Apo ekei kai pera, ayto poy mporoyse na kanei h Toyrkia kai perysi kai proxqes, mporei na to kanei kai twra. Einai diko ths dikaiwma. Den xreiazetai th dikh mas egkrish. Alla, den mporeis na empodiseis opoiadhpote xwra kai thn Toyrkia. Kai se teleytaia analysh, to epiteygma edw -giati gyrw apo ayto to zhthma ginetai olh h syzhthsh kai einai xarakthristiko ayto, pragma poy shmainei, emmesws, oti anagnwrizontai ola ta alla aytomatws kai apolytws ws qetika- sto sygkekrimeno qema yparxei proodos. Diasfalizontai ta eqnika symferonta. Apofeygetai h xrhsh bias, h apeilh gia xrhsh bias kai ypoxrewnetai kaqe ypochfio kratos na xrhsimopoiei eirhnikoys dromoys gia na antimetwpisei ta qemata poy qewrei oti yparxoyn. Kai an den prokycei lysh, odhgeitai to qema sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, me epimeleia kai toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy, to opoio, metajy twn allwn, qa ajiologhsei kai ws pros ayto to qema ta ypochfia krath-melh. Ayto einai mia poly megalh epityxia kai lypoymai giati ginetai prospaqeia na paroysiastei ws mia arnhtikh ejelijh. Profanws, gia logoys skopimothtas.

KONTOPOYLOS: Paromoia kritikh askoyn kai boyleytes toy PASOK, opws o k. Peponhs. Pws sxoliazete aytes tis dhlwseis kai an prokeitai na yparjoyn politika metra.

REPPAS: Den qa mpw sto ti apoceis diatypwnoyn diafora stelexh, eite toy PASOK, eite ths N. D., eite allwn politikwn kommatwn. Pisteyw oti einai toso safeis kai jekaqares oi diatypwseis, wste ta symperasmata prokyptoyn abiasta. Kaqenas exei th dynatothta na ekfrazei thn apoch toy. Ayto einai stoixeio ths dhmokratias mas. Timoyme oles tis apoceis. Pisteyoyme, omws, oti den antapokrinontai sta pragmata tetoioy eidoys aitiaseis kai kritikes.

KARASABBA: Meta to Elsinki, qewrei h Ellada oti einai wrimos o xronos, twra, gia ypografh Symfwnoy mh epiqesews;

REPPAS: Den exei teqei tetoio qema.

KARAGIANNH: Toso eseis, oso kai alla kybernhtika stelexh, alla kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos sto Elsinki, liges wres prin apo th symfwnia poy telika epiteyxqhke, mas miloysate gia sklhrh diapragmateysh. Einai dedomeno oti se mia sklhrh diapragmateysh, oles oi pleyres kaloyntai na ypoxwrhsoyn pros th mia h thn allh kateyqynsh. To erwthma moy einai, mhpws twra, poy telika to Elsinki exei teleiwsei, h ellhnikh kybernhsh einai se qesh na mas enhmerwsei gia tis arxikes diatypwseis, gia tis diatypwseis poy h idia diapragmateyotan na mpoyn sto keimeno twn symperasmatwn;

REPPAS: Se analogo pneyma, erwthsh ekane sto Elsinki kai o synadelfos sas k. Zoylas kai doqhke apanthsh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Emeis eipame oti oi piqanothtes na poyme "nai" h "oxi" einai 50%-50%. To eipe o idios o Prwqypoyrgos, thn paramonh ths syzhthshs, se sas poy hsastan ekei kai akoysate apo ton idio ayth th frash. Ayth einai h alhqeia. Giati emeis eixame ej arxhs qesei aytoys toys stoxoys, oi opoioi -qa elega- se epipedo diatypwsewn einai taytoshmoi h peripoy taytoshmoi me to teliko keimeno. Niwqoyme ikanopoihmenoi giati eginan apodektes oi qeseis poy diatypwsame kai epi twn opoiwn kaname ayth thn ontws sklhrh kai epiponh diapragmateysh. Pisteyoyme oti dhmioyrgeitai mia nea periodos, meta apo ayth thn apofash ths E. E., gia thn E. E., gia thn Ellada, alla kai gia tis sxeseis ths Elladas me thn Toyrkia kai ths E. E. me thn Toyrkia. Kai asfalws, mia nea periodos, elpizoyme kai gia thn Toyrkia. Elpizoyme, dhladh, kai pisteyoyme oti h Toyrkia qa ajiopoihsei ayth th dynatothta poy exei pleon, ws ypochfia xwra, mesa sthn eyrwpaikh oikogeneia, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsei se allages kai sto eswteriko ths, alla bebaiws kai sthn ejwterikh politikh ths kai ston tropo poy thn askei kai epi ths oysias. Den yphrxe otidhpote allo poy na eqese h ellhnikh kybernhsh kai na aporrifqhke. Den yphrxe otidhpote allo poy na syzhthqhke h tropopoihqhke kata tetoion tropo, wste na qewrhqei h telikh diatypwsh apo emas, mh paradekth. Ola ta qemata ta opoia qesame, exoyn perilhfqei se ayth thn apofash kai me ayth thn ennoia, ekfrazw kai pali thn ikanopoihsh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Qa elega, oti mas yperkalyptoyn aytes oi diatypwseis. An deite sygkekrimena sto shmeio 12, poy afora thn etairikh sxesh E. E. -Toyrkias, ginetai kai ekei, metajy olwn twn allwn, anafora sta dyo prohgoymena shmeia -to 4 kai to 9b'- poy aforoyn akribws, afenos ayth thn eirhnikh proseggish kai epilysh twn diaforwn kai afeteroy, thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E. E., xwris na einai proypoqesh gi ayto prohgoymenws, h epilysh toy kypriakoy problhmatos. Dyo epiprosqeta stoixeia, ta opoia barynoyn thn poreia ths Toyrkias sthn E. E. Pantote den legame oti emeis qelame mia oysiastikh ypochfiothta poy qa doqei kai qa krinetai me bash tis arxes kai toys kanones ths E. E.; Ayto egine kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh. H ejelijh dikaiwse apolyta th qesh mas. Giati kapoioi lene oti egine xwris oroys, xwris krithria, xwris proypoqeseis. Ma, h E. E. gia na xrhsei kapoion, exei ena plaisio arxwn poy prepei, se aytes tis periptwseis, na ekplhrwnetai. Kai to plaisio arxwn anaferetai, kaq` oloklhrian, sto shmeio 12.

KARAGIANNH: Kai me bash ayto poy eipate gia to Kypriako, to sygkekrimeno arqro, h sygkekrimenh paragrafos, katalhgei oti to Eyrwpaiko Symboylio qa epanejetasei tote oloys toys sxetikoys paragontes, se oti afora sto shmeio poy brisketai ws proypoqesh h epilysh toy politikoy problhmatos. To erwthma moy einai, oti qewrei h ellhnikh kybernhsh oti ayto desmeyei toys 15;

REPPAS: Einai apofash toy Symboylioy Koryfhs. Opws oi apofaseis prohgoymenwn Symboyliwn, p. x toy Loyjemboyrgoy, poy kapoioi qewrhsan oti den exoyn pia kamia ajia kai kamia isxy. Blepete, omws, oti epanalambanontai kai ginetai anafora stis apofaseis prohgoymenwn Symboyliwn gia ta qemata ayta kai ara epibebaiwnetai h isxys toys. Etsi kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, exoyme mia apofash h opoia apotelei pleon qesh. Desmia einai h E. E. na efarmosei ayth th qesh. Giati to lew ayto; Gati ginetai mia prospaqeia, me thn parermhneia ths teleytaias protashs, na qewrhqei oti h ejelijh ayth ypokryptei kati to arnhtiko kai gia to kypriako zhthma. Antilambaneste pws se aytes tis periptwseis, asfalws, oles oi sxetikes parametroi prepei na lhfqoyn ypoch. Kai mia tetoia diatajh, prepei na sas pw oti thn exoyn zhthsei kai ta kypriaka kommata. Mporw na to pw ayto. Giati, bebaiws, h entajh ths Kyproy sthn E. E., prepei na einai h entajh oloklhrhs ths Kyproy. Den to antilambaneste ayto; Oti den qeloyme thn entajh ths Kyproy etsi, wste na diaiwnistei h dixotomhsh ths; Ola ayta, loipon, qa lhfqoyn ypoch. Kai emeis epiqymoyme na ekproswphqei kai h toyrkokypriakh pleyra stis diapragmateyseis, wste h entajh ths Kyproy na ginei me tropo panhgyriko kai me entajh oloklhrhs ths Kyproy. Ayto einai to qema. Ayth einai h qesh mas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Pantws, h Toyrkia ayth th stigmh, oson afora to Kypriako, fainetai na mhn apodexetai tis apofaseis toy Elsinki gia to kypriako kai bebaia blepoyme kai ton Ntenktas na einai arnhtikos, na ta bazei akomh kai me thn Toyrkia gi ayth thn apofash kai na mhn parakaqetai pleon sto trapezi gia th synexish twn diakoinwtikwn.

REPPAS: Egw qa hqela, epeidh to krinw fronimo kai politika orqo, na apofygoyme ayth thn antallagh dhlwsewn kai antidhlwsewn. Ayto poy exoyme na kanoyme, einai na badisoyme oloi, me bash to plaisio poy apofasise h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Kaqenas sto metro poy ton afora kai apo th dikh toy pleyra, na symbalei, wste na efarmostei ayto to plaisio. Kai kaqenas qa krinetai apo to poso symballei sthn efarmogh aytoy toy plaisioy. Ayto einai to pio shmantiko. Kai pisteyw oti oydeis mporei na amfisbhthsei to oti yparxei plaisio poy desmeyei oloys. Opoios diarrhgnyei ayto to plaisio, analambanei tis eyqynes kai to synepagomeno kostos. Kai yparxei kostos se aytes tis periptwseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Meta apo osa mas eipate, pws sxoliazete tis dhlwseis toy k. Etzebit oti "den allazei h politikh mas stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis kai to Kypriako"

REPPAS: Jerw oti allaje h politikh -an qelete na xrhsimopoihsw ayth th frash, afoy qelete toso poly na milate gia allages kai gia mh allages- oson afora tis sxeseis E. E-Toyrkias. Oi eyrw-toyrkikes sxeseis basizontai se sygkekrimeno plaisio. To plaisio ayto antapokrinetai plhrws stis arxes kai toys kanones ths E. E. Antapokrinetai plhrws stis qeseis poy eqese h ellhnikh ejwterikh politikh. Sto plaisio ayto antapokriqhke qetika h Toyrkia, legontas "nai". Pisteyoyme oti aytos einai enas poly kalos oiwnos, einai mia poly kalh afethria. Den eipame oti lyqhkan ta problhmata. Oydeis mporei na to isxyristei ayto. Mporoyme, omws, me bebaiothta na poyme, oti shmera gia ola ta qemata, eimaste se poly kalytero shmeio apo oti hmastan xqes. Ayth einai h alhqeia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw allo sas zhthsa, na moy sxoliasete tis dhlwseis toy k. Etzebit kai eseis mas lete alla...

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin ston k. Kwnstantinidh. Den qa probw se dhlwseis-antidhlwseis. Mporw kai egw na sas pw k. Stamatopoyle, oti o k. Tzem, ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths Toyrkias, se synenteyjh toy sthn efhmerida "MILLIYET", leei oti einai se baros ths Toyrkias h ryqmish poy egine gia to Kypriako. Exete eseis akoysei ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn mias xwras na leei dhmosiws se synenteyjh toy, oti "einai se baros mas ayto to opoio apodexqhkame"; Mhn mpoyme, loipon, se ayth th syzhthsh, giati qewrw oti den bohqaei. An qelete na ekmaieysete entypwseis, mhn epixeireite na to kanete sto plaisio aytoy toy dialogoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw sas zhtaw na moy sxoliasete tis dhlwseis toy k. Etzebit. Mporeite;

REPPAS: O k. Etzebit einai prwqypoyrgos ths Toyrkias kai h Toyrkia eipe "nai" se ena plaisio qesewn, apofasewn ths E. E. to opoio mas kalyptei apolyta. Ayto exei shmasia gia mas. Ola ta alla qa metrhqoyn kai qa kriqoyn sthn poreia. Kaqenas exei dikaiwmata, exei ypoxrewseis kai desmeyseis. Ayto einai ekeino to opoio, kaqe fora, qa ektimatai kai qa krinetai.

KARASABBA: Mia dieykrinish parakalw: Epeidh h Filandia den fhmizetai gia toys elaiwnes ths, h elia thn opoia edwse o k. Papandreoy, thn eixe parei mazi toy apo thn Ellada mazi me thn antiproswpia sto Elsinki;

REPPAS: An hsastan mazi mas sth Filandia, qa jerate oti sth xwra ayth ta teleytaia xronia, xrhsimopoioyn poly to elaiolado, gia logoys ygieinhs diatrofhs. Oi synadelfoi sas isws exoyn ayth thn empeiria, oti sta estiatoria, anti toy kaqierwmenoy se alles xwres -kai sth Filandia mexri protinos- boytyroy, xrhsimopoieitai pleon to elaiolado. Kai kanei entypwsh. Se mikra piata serbiroyn mia posothta elaioladoy, thn opoia mporei na geyqei kapoios prin apo to kyrio piato. Apo ekei kai pera, h elia ayth einai ellhnikotaths proeleyshs. Metaferqhke me to aeroplano to opoio hrqe na parei thn kybernhtikh apostolh kai toys synadelfoys sas. Kai etsi h xeironomia toy k. Papandreoy pros ton k. Tzem, poy einai xeironomia ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs pros thn kybernhsh ths Toyrkias, exei ena ychlo symbolismo, o opoios einai aytonohtos.

Eyxaristw poly.

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