Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-11-02

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 2 Noembrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na sxoliasete tis sklhres dhlwseis Etzebit, xqes, o opoios -oyte ligo, oyte poly- eipe oti h Ellada exase to dikaiwma ths eggyhtrias dynamhs sthn Kypro, afoy, opws eipe, to prajikophma to 1974 egine apo thn Ellada. Kai eipe, akoma, oti sthn Kypro yparxoyn dyo anejarthta krath kai oti symfwnei apolytws me th grammh thn opoia akoloyqei o Ntenktas.

REPPAS: Oi dhlwseis toy k. Etzebit oson afora to kypriako problhma exoyn epanalhfqei. Kai sto parelqon exei diatypwsei analoges qeseis. Me ayth thn ennoia, den projenei entypwsh ayto to opoio eipe. Oson afora, omws, to an h Ellada einai eggyhtria, h oxi, dynamh, prepei na pw oti ayto prokalei entypwsh. Einai mia ekplhjh ayth h dhlwsh toy k. Etzebit, doqentos oti me th symfwnia eggyhshs toy 1960 h Ellada xarakthristhke eggyhtria dynamh, paramenei eggyhtria dynamh. Mporw na pw oti h Ellada einai h eggyhtria dynamh, h opoia sebetai ayth thn idiothta poy ths exei apodoqei. H politikh poy akoloyqei gia to Kypriako qema, einai se armonia me tis apofaseis toy OHE, antiqetws me thn politikh ths Toyrkias. Ara, h Ellada oxi mono einai eggyhtria dynamh typikws, oxi mono einai h xwra ekeinh h opoia exei kaqe logo na parakoloyqei, na endiaferetai, na symbalei sth qetikh antimetwpish twn qematwn poy apasxoloyn thn Kypro, einai kai h eggyhtria dynamh, h opoia sthn prajh exei apodeijei oti ekplhrwnei thn ypoxrewsh poy, me th symfwnia toy 1960, exei analabei. Giati h politikh ths kineitai -epanalambanw- sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy OHE. Einai mia politikh h opoia mporei na pei kaneis oti ayth kat` ejoxhn, efoson efarmostei, eggyatai th lysh toy Kypriakoy qematos kai thn proodo toy kypriakoy laoy se synqhkes eirhnhs, opws oloi epiqymoyme.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Einai dynaton o k. Etzebit kai h Toyrkia na kathgorei thn Ellada kai dikaioytai h Toyrkia na qewrei ton eayto ths eggyhtria dynamh ths Kyproy -mia ek twn eggyhtriwn- otan eisebale to ?74 kata tropon epaisxynto kai katestrece thn klhronomia ths Kyproy, skotwse kai atimase Kyprioys; Einai dynaton;

REPPAS: Ta istorika gegonota einai gnwsta. H Toyrkia diathrei ayto ton titlo, den antapokrinetai, omws, stis ypoxrewseis ths, afoy me thn politikh ths antistrateyetai tis prospaqeies toy OHE gia mia dikaih kai biwsimh lysh toy Kypriakoy problhmatos, symfwna me tis apofaseis toy Dieqnoys Organismoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws einai dynato na ginontai tote synomilies me thn Toyrkia, th stigmh poy o k. Etzebit qetei qema Aigaioy, qetei qema yfalokrhpidas kai epideiknyei adiallajia sto Kypriako; Pws einai dynato na syzhtate me ayth th xwra, otan aytos zhtaei ef` olhs ths ylhs diapragmateyseis; Ola "paketo".

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h Toyrkia paramenei sthn protash ths na antimetwpistoyn ta qemata poy -kata thn apoch ths- yparxoyn stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis, mesw mias diadikasias apeyqeias dialogoy. Emeis, exoyme kat` epanalhch diatypwsei th qesh pws den yparxoyn alla qemata, peran ths orioqethshs ths yfalokrhpidas. Kai en pash periptwsei, an h Toyrkia qewrei pws yparxoyn problhmata ta opoia prepei na epilyqoyn metajy Elladas kai Toyrkias, qa prepei na ajiopoihsei toys kanones toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy, na anagnwrisei th dikaiodosia toy Dieqnoys Dikasthrioy, na proxwrhsei se prwtoboylies, mesw twn opoiwn mporei na brei tis apanthseis sta problhmata poy ekeinh qewrei oti yparxoyn. H epikoinwnia metajy twn dyo xwrwn, asfalws, den prokeitai na anakopei. Me thn Toyrkia, opws kai me alles xwres, sto plaisio toy NATO, synyparxoyme. Gnwrizete poly kala oti sto sygxrono kosmo h epikoinwnia metajy twn ekproswpwn twn xwrwn einai mia diadikasia ek twn wn oyk aney, prokeimenoy na antallassontai apoceis, akomh ki an oi pleyres poy synantwntai paramenoyn se qeseis oi opoies den sympiptoyn. Ayth einai mia praktikh, h opoia den nomizw oti briskei kapoion antiqeto. Pisteyoyme oti prepei na eimaste parontes kai na proballoyme, pantoy kai me kaqe tropo, tis qeseis mas. Den exoyme epilejei mia politikh apomonwtismoy, den eimaste monoi mas se ayto ton kosmo. Ayto den shmainei, omws, oti qetoyme se kindyno ta eqnika symferonta. Antiqetws, h energos paroysia mas einai ayth h opoia proaspizetai ta eqnika symferonta. H probolh twn qesewn mas apotelei ek twn wn oyk aney ypoxrewsh, prokeimenoy etsi na prowqhsoyme to eqniko symferon.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, k. Ypoyrge, alla o Toyrkos prwqypoyrgos ta leei ayta. Ti synomilies mporoyme na kanoyme;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na yparxoyn synomilies toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Toyrko Prwqypoyrgo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn antiproswpeies. Yparxei ellhnikh kai toyrkikh antiproswpeia. Mporei na proxwrhsei kati, otan bgainei o k. Etzebit kai qetei qema Aigaioy, qetei qema...

REPPAS: Asfalws, otan diatypwnontai aytes oi apoceis den einai dynato na yparxei opoiadhpote proodos. Ayto, omws, einai kati to opoio exei apanthqei, edw kai kairo. Aporw pws qetete erwthma se kati gia to opoio gnwrizete thn apanthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati kanoyme synomilies tote, k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti exoyn synanthqei ekproswpoi twn dyo xwrwn, ajiwmatoyxoi, empeirognwmones, yphresiakoi paragontes, poy syzhtoyn sygkekrimena qemata. Den ginetai h syzhthsh epi twn qematwn sta opoia anaferqhkate eseis. Allwste, den einai dynato na yparjei mia tetoia syzhthsh.

ARGYROS: Den einai antifatikh h stash toy prwqypoyrgoy ths Toyrkias, otan yparxei ayto to kalo klima stis sxeseis twn dyo lawn, twn ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn kai stis oikonomikes sxeseis twn dyo lawn;

REPPAS: Qelete na xarakthrisw egw th stash toy prwqypoyrgoy ths Toyrkias ws antifatikh; Egw qa elega pws h diatypwsh tetoiwn qesewn einai adikh, giati afenos den antapokrinetai sthn istorikh alhqeia kai afeteroy den antapokrinetai sta sygxrona, pragmatika dedomena. Ara, einai lanqasmenh h politikh poy akoloyqei.

GEROPOYLOS: Xqes, o ypoyrgos PEXWDE, se o,ti afora tis kataggelies toy boyleyth ths N.D. toy k. Kwstopoyloy gia diafqora, kyriws sto ypoyrgeio toy, paredwse thn ypoqesh sth Dikaiosynh. H kybernhsh protiqetai na akoloyqhsei thn idia taktikh kai gia alloy eidoys kataggelies, se o,ti afora skandala h diafqora sto dhmosio tomea kai idiaiterws gia thn periptwsh twn kataggeliwn poy aforoyn to JYSTO;

REPPAS: Qymaste oti apo thn prwth stigmh poy syzhthsame sxetika qemata, otan arxise na anadyetai ayto to klima skandalologias to opoio prowqei h N.D., eipame oti einai prwtofanes, einai prwtotypo, einai prwtakoysto, aytos o opoios kataggellei na fobatai th Dikaiosynh kai na thn parakamptei. Aytos poy kataggellei exei thn ypoxrewsh na prosfeygei prwtos sth Dikaiosynh. Kai omws! Diatypwnontai kathgories xwris tekmhriwsh, apo thn pleyra ths N.D. kai xwris na prosfeygoyn sta organa ths Dikaiosynhs aytoi oi opoioi kataggelloyn. Anelabe prwtoboylia o synadelfos k. Laliwths kai apeyqynqhke sth Dikaiosynh, prokeimenoy na epilhfqei toy qematos. Pisteyw oti h apanthsh ayth einai apolyta dikaiologhmenh. Emeis -eipa kai se allh eykairia- qa dinoyme th deoysa apanthsh se kaqe prwtoboylia ths N.D. Den prokeitai na epitrecoyme na skiasei th dhmosia zwh ths xwras kai na th dhlhthriasei, ayto to klima syskotishs twn pragmatikwn qematwn, to opoio epixeirei na dhmioyrghsei h N.D. Asfalws, ta organa ths Dikaiosynhs exoyn to logo se aytes tis periptwseis. Emeis eimaste ekeinoi oi opoioi prwtoi qeloyme, aytoi poy kataggelloyn, na tekmhriwnoyn tis kataggelies toys kai na prosfeygoyn sta organa ths Dikaiosynhs. Na to kanoyn ekeinoi, an einai sigoyroi gia ayta ta opoia anaferoyn. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, emeis qa prajoyme analogws.

FILHS: Sxetika me th diadikasia twn eyrwtoyrkikwn: Yparxoyn plhrofories oti diapistwnetai mia diafora sthn proseggish twn qematwn, anamesa sthn Aqhna kai th Leykwsia kai oti sxetikws exei apostalei kai kapoia epistolh toy Proedroy Klhridh ston Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo. Ti apantate gi ayta;

REPPAS: Exei apostalei epistolh toy k. Klhridh, edw kai merikes ebdomades, ston Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo, h opoia den exei kamia sxesh me ayto to opoio onomasate eseis klima apostasiopoihshs Aqhnas-Leykwsias. Antiqetws, mporw -gia mia akomh fora- na pw oti oi sxeseis Aqhnas-Leykwsias, einai sxeseis staqerhs kai gonimhs synergasias, prokeimenoy na petyxoyme ta kalytera dynata apotelesmata. Enocei, malista, ths Synodoy Koryfhs sto Elsinki, h agwnia kai h prospaqeia kai twn dyo kybernhsewn sygklinei akribws sto na epityxoyme to aristo apotelesma yper twn eqnikwn symferontwn, poy metajy twn allwn den mporei para na perilambanei thn aproskopth proodo twn entajiakwn diadikasiwn ths Kyproy, pragma gia to opoio exoyme, jekaqara kai se oloys toys tonoys, diatypwsei th qesh mas.

FILHS: Poios apotelei shmera ton, kata kapoio tropo, antikatastath toy makarith toy Kranidiwth sto lepto rolo twn sxesewn anamesa se Leykwsia kai Aqhna; Qesmika poios exei ayth thn armodiothta;

REPPAS: O Giannos Kranidiwths htan ypoyrgos Anaplhrwths Ejwterikwn. Ypoyrgos Anaplhrwths Ejwterikwn einai o Xrhstos Rokofyllos. Exei tis armodiothtes tis opoies askhse kata thn periodo ths qhteias toy o Giannos Kranidiwths.

FILHS: H episkech toy k. Klinton sthn Ellada synartatai -qa ginei syzhthsh sto plaisio aytwn twn proetoimasiwn, alla kai ths episkechs- me qemata promhqeias oplwn apo thn Amerikh;

REPPAS: Sto plaisio ths episkechs ayths, eipa kat` epanalhch, qa syzhthqoyn qemata koinoy endiaferontos. Qemata koinoy endiaferontos einai kai ayta ths oikonomikhs kai stratiwtikhs synergasias, opws epishs qemata politikhs synergasias. Oi dyo pleyres, sto plaisio aytwn twn syzhthsewn, qa apofasisoyn poia qemata qewroyn oti einai wrima pros syzhthsh kai prepei na syzhthqoyn. Einai qemata ta opoia apasxoloyn idiaiterws tis dyo xwres h th mia ek twn dyo, wste na qewreitai aparaithth h syzhthsh toys. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, peran twn qematwn koinoy endiaferontos, qa syzhthqoyn kai qemata ths eyryterhs perioxhs gia ta opoia, epishs, sas exw milhsei.

FILHS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos, xqes, me kapoio tono proeidopoihshs, eipe oti oydeis mporei na afairesei apo to ypoyrgeio toy armodiothtes, poy aforoyn ta ejoplistika programmata, sxoliazontas dhmosieymata, symfwna me ta opoia, o Prwqypoyrgos protiqetai, skeftetai, sxediazei na systhsei eidikh genikh grammateia ejoplismwn, h opoia na ypagetai ston ypoyrgo Oikonomikwn k. Xristodoylakh. Prosqese o k. Tsoxatzopoylos -kai ayto exei shmasia giati einai mia ektimhsh toy kat` ejoxhn armodioy ypoyrgoy- oti to teleytaio diasthma parathreitai kaqysterhsh sto ejoplistiko programma, poy exei na kanei me to gegonos oti den exoyn ejeyreqei apo to armodio ypoyrgeio ta xrhmata gia thn agora twn oplwn. Qa hqela kapoio sxolio.

REPPAS: Exete ypoch sas oloklhrh th dhlwsh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy gia ayto to qema, o opoios epishmainei oti profanws gia thn ejeyresh twn oikonomikwn porwn leitoyrgei kapoia sxetikh yphresia sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn. Pragmati peri aytoy prokeitai. To ejoplistiko programma to diaxeirizetai h Genikh Dieyqynsh Ejoplismwn, poy exei idryqei kai leitoyrgei sto ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas. Sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn den yparxei Eidikh Grammateia, oyte Genikh Dieyqynsh, oyte kan tmhma. Leitoyrgei ena grafeio, me liga stelexh, poy exei ws antikeimeno thn katallhloterh anazhthsh twn porwn poy apaitoyntai, mesw daneiwn h allwn diadikasiwn, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsei to ejoplistiko programma. Peri aytoy prokeitai. Den prokeitai gia ypokatastash sto rolo toys, twn yphresiwn poy leitoyrgoyn, hdh, gia to poly sygkekrimeno ayto qema sto ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas. To ejoplistiko programma proxwra kanonika me bash tis apofaseis poy exoyme parei kai pisteyw oti qa oloklhrwqei entos twn xronikwn ejaggeliwn poy exoyme kanei.

FILHS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos leei oti kaqysterei.

REPPAS: To programma proxwra kanonika. Den yparxoyn kaqysterhseis tetoies, oi opoies mporei na qewrhqei apo kapoion oti mas exoyn odhghsei ektos programmatismoy. To qema toy xronoy polloi to proseggizoyn me poly sxetiko tropo. To gnwrizete poly kala.

MIXAHL: Xqes, eixame to tragiko symban sto SUPER FERRY III. Qelw na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh kai o armodios ypoyrgos protiqetai na diatajei Enorkh Dioikhtikh Ejetash gia to pws oi laqrometanastes, oi opoioi dystyxws brhkan tragiko qanato, breqhkan sto ploio. Dhladh, h eyqynh na ejelqei kapoios apo th xwra einai stis armodies arxes poy prepei na elegxoyn poios mpainei kai poios bgainei. Pws, loipon, aytoi den elexqhsan kai an elexqhsan pws den to hjeran eyqys ej arxhs oi armodies arxes kai anakalyfqhkan xqes;

REPPAS: Yparxoyn yphresies poy exoyn thn armodiothta ayth, alla kai oi idies oi etaireies -kat` ejoxhn oi yphresies aytwn twn etaireiwn- probainoyn se sxetiko elegxo. Sto sygkekrimeno ploio yphrxan 110 megala forthga, ntalikes. O elegxos poy pantote ginetai, syxna apodidei. Merikes fores, omws, einai dynaton kapoioi na diafygoyn apo ton elegxo. An prepei na elegxqei me kaqe leptomereia kai aysthrothta ena tetoio dromologio me tosa polla forthga, opws me exoyn plhroforhsei oi armodioi, qa prepei sth sygkekrimenh grammh na exoyme ena mono dromologio kaqe dyo h treis hmeres. Bebaiws, einai lyphrh ayth h ejelijh, ayta ta fainomena na xanoyn th zwh toys anqrwpoi sthn prospaqeia toys na anazhthsoyn kalyterh zwh. Einai tragika symbanta, ta opoia mas lypoyn. O elegxos ginetai. Sto limani ths Patras lambanontai ola ta metra. Alla, panta yparxei ayto to periqwrio kapoioi na diafygoyn. Ayth einai h alhqeia. Allwste, breqhkan laqrometanastes, oi opoioi eixan hdh eiselqei sthn Ellada kai epibibasthkan kai sto ploio, poy shmainei oti eixan diafygei ths prosoxhs kapoiwn elegktikwn mhxanismwn.

FILHS: Den bazoyn pantoy "narkopedia";

REPPAS: Eidate, k. Filh, poy shmera eirwneyeste sto keimeno sas, to oti ekana mia syndesh me to genikotero problhma ths laqrometanasteyshs; Yparxei problhma, oson afora ton elegxo twn laqrometanastwn kai prepei na to anagnwrisete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Jefrago ampeli, dhladh. Mpainoyn, bgainoyn...

FILHS: Balte narkopedia pantoy!!

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti den einai ayth h epilogh mas. Epilogh mas einai na asfalisoyme ta synora ths xwras, giati, bebaiws, opws kaqe xwra kai h dikh mas exei synora. Kai prepei na to apodexqeite ayto. Den einai xwra sthn opoia mporei na eiserxetai o kaqenas paranomws. Den nomizw na exete antiqeth apoch.

ARGYROS: Eginan safeis dieykriniseis apo thn pleyra ths Agkyras dioloy antifatikes. Qa hqela na rwthsw ean paramenei to idio safhs h ellhnikh qesh, symfwna me thn opoia den qa apodexqei prowqhsh twn eyrwtoyrkikwn sxesewn, ean h Agkyra den allajei th qesh ths.

REPPAS: Molis, xqes, ekana sxetikh dhlwsh gia thn politikh stash mas enocei ths Synodoy Koryfhs sto Elsinki. Den exoyme na prosqesoyme tipota allo. Paramenoyme se ayto.

I.XASAPOPOYLOS: O k. Pagkalos edwse synenteyjh sthn Kypro kai sas metaferw kapoies fraseis, poy lene oti h kybernhsh exei dhmioyrghsei ena klima oti sto Elsinki qa endwsei. Kai sthn periptwsh -leei- poy qa endwsei h Kybernhsh giati den to eipe. Kai afhnei yponooymena oti symboyloi toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn mporei na einai kai praktores. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

REPPAS: Einai oi apoceis toy k. Pagkaloy. H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei safh politikh, h opoia otan diatypwqhke kai anakoinwqhke den eprepe na afhsei kanena periqwrio, peri toy endexomenoy na endwsoyme, sth Synodo Koryfhs sto Elsinki, se opoiesdhpote pieseis kai na apostoyme apo tis qeseis, tis opoies pagiws yposthrizoyme. Oson afora tis qeseis toy k. Pagkaloy, poy kat` epanalhch o idios diatypwnei gia stelexh toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, prepei na pw oti einai mia apoch poy den einai dikaiologhmenh. Giati sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn ta stelexh ergazontai me ton kalytero tropo, kopiazoyn prokeimenoy na proetoimazoyn fakeloys, na diatypwnoyn protaseis, tis opoies qa ajiopoihsei h politikh hgesia, wste h Ellada na einai efodiasmenh, na einai panoplh, kata tis syzhthseis poy ginontai sto plaisio aytwn twn shmantikwn Synodwn. Ara, loipon, den einai h ellhnikh kybernhsh poy exei kallierghsei mia tetoia entypwsh. Mporei na exoyn grafei polla, alla parakalw gi ayta poy grafontai, mhn anazhtate toys ypeyqynoys sthn kybernhsh.

FILHS: Eipate oti den einai dikaiologhmenh h apoch toy k. Pagkaloy, oti yparxoyn "praktores" symboyloi toy k. Papandreoy. Aytos einai o isxyrismos. .O Prwqypoyrgos, poy einai ypeyqynos kai gia th leitoyrgia toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, den aisqanetai thn anagkh na kalesei ton k. Pagkalo, se mia politikh diadikasia gia na apodeijei poioi einai aytoi oi praktores, apo toys opoioys kata th gnwmh toy kindyneyei h Ellada;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos den einai dikasths. H politikh syzhthsh -mias kai miloysame gia ta organa ths Dikaiosynhs prin- ginetai me ton tropo poy kaqe fora to sygkekrimeno politiko stelexos epilegei na thn kanei. O k. Pagkalos einai melos toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy toy PASOK, einai probeblhmeno stelexos toy PASOK, exei diatelesei melos ths kybernhshs gia polla xronia kai exei thn eyqynh twn oswn leei. O Prwqypoyrgos einai aytos, poy se teleytaia analysh, askei thn politikh ths xwras kai ston tomea ayto kai aytos pairnei tis telikes apofaseis. Ayth einai h apanthsh. Opoios exei na pei kati pio sygkekrimeno mporei na to tekmhriwsei, pairnontas kai olh thn eyqynh aytwn poy leei. Alla, antilambaneste pws tetoioy eidoys syzhthseis, oyte to eqniko symferon prowqoyn, oyte kat` elaxiston bohqoyn ton ellhniko lao na plhroforhqei gia qemata leitoyrgias twn dhmosiwn yphresiwn, poly perissotero otan aytes oi dhmosies yphresies anhkoyn s` enan neyralgiko tomea, opws einai to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

FILHS: Isxyei h protroph poy exete kanei sta stelexh ths N.D. poy kanoyn kataggelies gia skandala, k.lp. Isxyei h idia protroph kai gia ton k. Pagkalo na paei sth Dikaiosynh gi aytes tis kataggelies toy;

REPPAS: Sas prolaba kai apanthsa me thn prwth protash, sthn prohgoymenh apanthsh moy.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Eisaste se qesh na anakoinwsete kati gia th synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Amerikano presbh k. Mperns;

REPPAS: Den yparxei tipota neotero. Egine syzhthsh, xqes edw. Eipa oti o Prwqypoyrgos, enocei ths episkechs toy k. Klinton, qa dexqei ton Amerikano presbh, synhqizetai ayto. H syzhthsh eixe ayto to antikeimeno. Den exei prokycei kati allo poy na einai pros anakoinwsh, oson afora thn episkech.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Yparxei kati newtero gia thn atzenta twn synomiliwn;

REPPAS: Den exei prokycei kati newtero, to opoio na einai pros anakoinwsh.

PODHMATA: Pote qa einai se qesh h kybernhsh na anakoinwsei to oristiko programma toy Amerikanoy Proedroy;

REPPAS: Otan katartistei plhrws to programma ayto.

PODHMATA: Pragma to opoio pote qa symbei;

REPPAS: Einai qema twn epomenwn ligwn hmerwn.

BOYZAS: Xqes, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, gia ta proedrika, ekane mia dhlwsh poy leei oti opoios prospaqei na empodisei thn ekfrash twn apocewn kai to dialogo, kindyneyei na ekqesei to PASOK, oti dhqen protima thn prowrh prosfygh stis ekloges apo thn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Qa hqela ena sxolio gia ayto.

REPPAS: Ti sxolio; Yparxei periorismos oson afora to dikaiwma twn stelexwn na miloyn; Ma, molis prin apanthsa. Me egkaleite peripoy, giati den lambanontai kapoia metra me aformh tis dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy. Asfalws ta stelexh lene eleyqera tis apoceis toys. Ayto einai anafaireto dikaiwma . Oydeis skeptetai na epibalei opoiasdhpote morfhs periorismo. Apo kei kai pera emeis pisteyoyme oti h Boylh ayth mporei -kai prepei- na eklejei Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Kai bebaiws qa prepei na oloklhrwsoyme me epityxia thn prospaqeia poy kanoyme gia arketa xronia na entaxqei h Ellada sthn ONE kai na odhghqei h xwra se ekloges, meta thn oloklhrwsh ths tetraetoys qhteias ths kybernhshs, to Septembrio toy 2000.

GEROPOYLOS: Ton Prwqypoyrgo den ton problhmatizei to gegonos oti dyo koryfaia stelexh ths kybernhshs, opws o k. Tsoxatzopoylos kai o k. Benizelos, eixan mia dhmosia antiparaqesh epi ths oysias gia th strathgikh toy kybernwntos kommatos h gia th strathgikh ths kybernhshs kai toys stoxoys ths;

REPPAS: H strathgikh ths kybernhshs sthn politikh poy akoloyqei exei apofasistei sta kybernhtika organa kai thn telikh eyqynh thn exei o Prwqypoyrgos. O Prwqypoyrgos problhmatizetai gia ta qemata poy yparxoyn kai zhtoyn lysh. Ayta kyriws ton apasxoloyn. Ayto poy apotelei kentriko qema gia ton polith sthn kaqhmerinh zwh toy, ayto einai kai to stoixeio h h phgh problhmatismoy kai gia mas. Sta megala qemata poy apasxoloyn th xwra, apo ta opoia krinetai h poreia ths Elladas ta epomena xronia, epikentrwnetai to endiaferon mas. Ayta mas apasxoloyn kai oi problhmatismoi mas exoyn sxesh me ta qemata ayta.

PODHMATA: Problhmatizei thn kybernhsh h ekpefrasmenh proqesh ths Neolaias toy PASOK na symmetasxei stis ekdhlwseis...

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin apo meres sthn idia ayth erwthsh.

PODHMATA: Prin apo meres; Kai ti eipate...

REPPAS: Oti h Neolaia PASOK exei tis apoceis, exei tis qeseis ths. Leitoyrgei me bash to Katastatiko ths.

PODHMATA: Ara, den yparxei qema gia thn kybernhsh, lete.

REPPAS: Ti qema na yparxei; To oti h Neolaia PASOK exei labei sygkekrimenes apofaseis, ayto dhmioyrgei qema sthn kybernhsh; Ti qema na dhmioyrgei sthn kybernhsh ayto; H kybernhsh exei safh qesh gia thn episkech Klinton. H kybernhsh exei proskalesei ton Proedro twn HPA, o opoios antapodidontas tis episkeceis twn Ellhnwn hgetwn, toy Proedroy ths Ellhnikhs Dhmokratias kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy ths xwras mas stis HPA, qa episkefqei thn Ellada tis epomenes hmeres. Qa syzhthqoyn qemata koinoy endiaferontos, qemata ths eyryterhs perioxhs. H Ellada prepei, me kaqe tropo, pantoy kai panta, na leei tis apoceis ths. Ayto qa kanei kai me thn eykairia ths episkechs toy Amerikanoy Proedroy. O k. Klinton einai Proedros mias megalhs dynamhs, poy o rolos ths einai kaqoristikos gia thn ejelijh qematwn poy exoyn zwtikh shmasia gia mas. Ara, einai pros to symferon ths xwras na diathroyme, sto ychlotero dynato epipedo, ayth thn epikoinwnia. Se ayto aposkopoyn oi synanthseis toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy me jenoys hgetes, Proedroys, Prwqypoyrgoys. H energos paroysia ths Elladas einai stoixeio ths ejwterikhs politikhs mas. Skefteite oti yparxoyn paradosiakoi desmoi me tis HPA, para ta problhmata, tis diafwnies h tis apokliseis poy kata kairoys emfanizontai. Kai ayto einai kati poy den prepei na prokalei ekplhjh kai oyte to krybei kaneis.

Stis HPA yparxei mia akmazoysa ellhnikh omogeneia h opoia apotelei enan kriko stis sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn. Apo kei kai pera emeis exoyme mia paradosh sth filojenia kai thn ypodoxh jenwn hgetwn. Qa apodoqoyn oi deoyses times ston Proedro Klinton. Qewroyme pws qa einai mia poly kalh eykairia h Ellada, sth bash ths isotimias kai ths amoibaias wfeleias, na epidiwjei, kanontas gnwstes tis qeseis ths, na kerdisei yper twn qesewn aytwn kai thn politikh twn HPA. Ayth einai h proseggish mas.

PODHMATA: Egw den rwthsa ayto.

REPPAS: Moy dinetai h eykairia na to pw, giati enw ayta einai aposafhnismena gia thn kybernhsh mas, pantote tiqetai to qema, an kapoios poy exei mia diaforetikh proseggish -perissotero h ligotero diaforetikh- prokalei kapoio problhma. Qa qelame oloi na symfwnoyn gia ola ta qemata. Ayto, omws, einai kati poy oydepote egine kai den prokeitai na ginei sto mellon.

PODHMATA: To gegonos oti h Neolaia PASOK den exei ayth thn proseggish poy molis mas anaptyjate...

REPPAS: H Neolaia PASOK apo poyqena den prokyptei oti exei diaforetikh proseggish. H Neolaia PASOK exei ta dika ths organa poy apofasizoyn pws qa dhlwsei thn paroysia ths sto plaisio ayths ths episkechs. H Neolaia PASOK oydepote diatypwse qesh yper toy apomonwtismoy. Oydepote diatypwse qesh gia diakoph twn sxesewn me tis HPA.

FILHS: Poios to leei ayto;

REPPAS: Exei kanei kapoia tetoia anakoinwsh h Neolaia PASOK;

FILHS: Oxi, poios to syzhtaei ayto sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: Epeidh eipa ola ayta, h k. Podhmata, epanerxomenh, rwtaei an h Neolaia toy PASOK h opoia brisketai se diafwnia me ayth thn politikh, enoxlei thn kybernhsh. Sas rwtw: Apo poy prokyptei ayth h diafwnia me ayth thn politikh;

PODHMATA: Ayto prokyptei apo tis epanalambanomenes topoqethseis hgetikwn stelexwn ths, symfwna me tis opoies qa prepei o laos ths Aqhnas, oi foreis oi diaforoi, na organwnoyn ekdhlwseis diamartyrias sth diarkeia ths paramonhs toy Amerikanoy Proedroy sthn Ellada. Otan kapoios diamartyretai gia thn paramonh enos jenoy ajiwmatoyxoy sthn Ellada, shmainei oti den yioqetei ayth thn proseggish poy mas paroysiasate.

REPPAS: Kanete laqos. Edw yparxei mia sygxysh. Mperdeyete dyo pragmata: To ena exei sxesh me thn episkech toy k. Klinton, poy kapoioi qeloyn na xarakthristei ws anepiqymhth. To allo exei sxesh me thn anadeijh politikwn qesewn apo polites oi opoioi den exoyn antirrhsh me thn episkech ayth kaqeayth, alla qewroyn pws h episkech einai mia aformh prokeimenoy na diatypwsoyn tis politikes qeseis toys, oi opoies einai antiqetes me thn politikh poy akoloyqei o k. Klinton kai h kybernhsh twn HPA. Den shmainei oti opoios diatypwnei mia apoch, aytomatws dhlwnei pws den epiqymei thn eleysh toy k. Klinton sthn Ellada.

FILHS: Me toys deyteroys symfwneite eseis;

REPPAS: Emeis eimaste yper ths politikhs poy aneptyja prin, oso ginetai pio synoptika. Einai allwste mia politikh h opoia ypakoyei sto eqniko symferon poy prepei na sebasteite kai eseis.

FILHS: Na sebastoyme thn kybernhtikh politikh;

REPPAS: Thn politikh poy ypakoyei sto eqniko symferon.

FILHS: Mono h kybernhsh to gnwrizei ayto;

REPPAS: To gnwrizei o ellhnikos laos o opoios mas krinei oloys.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Milhsate gia apomonwtismo prohgoymenws, qelw na rwthsw ean h qesh toy k. Xrysoxoidh na pane ekdromh to Sabbatokyriako oi Aqhnaioi gia na mhn talaipwrhqoyn einai genikeymenh kybernhtikh qesh;

REPPAS: Antilambaneste, k. Mpogiopoyle, pws prokaloymai na apanthsw se ena analogo epipedo, me ena analafro sxolio! Kai na pw oti h Aqhna qa einai gemath, afoy eseis ekeino to Sabbatokyriako qa eiste sigoyra edw! H paroysia sas einai toso plhqwrikh, wste qa einai san na mh leipei kaneis!

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Lew oti den qelw na prokalesw krish stis sxeseis sas me ton k. Xrysoxoidh, gi ayto sas kalw.

REPPAS: O k. Xrysoxoidhs einai Xrysoxoidhs, den einai...Krisoxoidhs! Me ton k. Xrysoxoidh exoyme aristh synergasia, h opoia einai poly paragwgikh. Ola ta alla poy lete, k. Mpogiopoyle, mporei na prosferontai gia feygalees entypwseis, alla den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn politikh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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