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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 1 Noembrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalo mhna.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, twn prosexwn hmerwn:

* O Prwqypoyrgos eixe, to prwi, synergasia me ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Oikonomias Gianno Papantwnioy, o opoios exei probei se sxetikes dhlwseis, enocei kai ths syzhthshs gia ton Proypologismo sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, thn erxomenh Tetarth. Ayth thn wra, dexetai ton Proedro ths Moldabias, o opoios episkeptetai epishmws th xwra mas. O k. Loyzintsi qa syzhthsei qemata dimeroys endiaferontos kai qemata ths perioxhs me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Elladas, o opoios qa toy paraqesei kai geyma. Oi dyo politikoi qa kanoyn kai sxetikes dhlwseis, opws problepetai se aytes tis periptwseis.

* Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, qa dexqei ton presbh twn HPA sthn Ellada, ton k. Mperns kai argotera stis 12 to meshmeri qa episkefqei mia monada ston Peiraia, opoy exei teqei se efarmogh ena programma, sto plaisio toy sxedioy gia thn apasxolhsh poy exei katartisei kai efarmozei to Ypoyrgeio Ergasias. To programma STAGE afora thn apokthsh ergasiakhs empeirias apo neoys episthmones, ptyxioyxoys diaforwn eidikothtwn. To apogeyma, stis 6.30, qa synedriasei sto Megaro Majimoy, atypws, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, h opoia qa syzhthsei qemata ths politikhs epikairothtas.

* Thn Tetarth, to prwi, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Qa syzhthqei o Proypologismos gia to epomeno etos. To apogeyma, o Prwqypoyrgos qa labei meros sthn "Wra toy Prwqypoyrgoy", sth Boylh. Qa apanthsei se dyo erwthseis, toy k. Sioyfa kai toy k. Tsobola. Argotera, opws gnwrizete, sthn olomeleia ths Boylhs qa katateqei o Proypologismos.

* Thn Pempth, to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrei, epikefalhs ths ellhnikhs antiproswpeias, gia th Boylgaria, opoy prokeitai na synelqei sthn polh Mporobets, h trimerhs Diaskech Elladas, Boylgarias kai Roymanias. Gnwrizete oti perysi eixame filojenhsei, stoys Delfoys, thn analogh Diaskech. H epistrofh qa ginei thn Paraskeyh, meta thn oloklhrwsh twn ergasiwn ths Diaskechs. Oi ergasies ths Synodoy qa arxisoyn thn Pempth, pros to meshmeri kai qa synexistoyn to apogeyma kai thn Paraskeyh to prwi.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: To Sabbato anaxwrei gia to Parisi, opws exei anakoinwqei;

REPPAS: Ayto einai to programma, doqentos oti o Prwqypoyrgos kai Proedros toy PASOK symmetexei sto proedreio ths Sosialistikhs Dieqnoys, poy qa synedriasei thn Kyriakh to meshmeri. Prin apo th synedriash, exei programmatistei kai qa diorganwqei ena geyma twn politikwn hgetwn, opoy qa doqei h eykairia kai ston Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo na anaptyjei tis qeseis ths xwras mas kai tis qeseis toy PASOK, oson afora qemata politikhs kai ideologias. Qa sas enhmerwsw, omws, gi ayto, me perissoteres leptomereies, tis prosexeis hmeres.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poios zhthse th synanthsh, o k. Mperns h ton kalese o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: H synanthsh ayth entassetai sth synergasia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me jenoys diplwmates. Ginetai epikairws, enocei ths episkechs toy Proedroy twn HPA sthn Aqhna. Prosfatws, enocei ths episkechs toy Germanoy Kagkelarioy, eixe dexqei kai to Germano presbh kai eixan syzhthsei ta qemata ths episkechs toy Germanoy Kagkelarioy. Kati analogo ginetai kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Mperns zhthse na ton dei...

REPPAS: O k. Mperns exei zhthsei na episkefqei ton Prwqypoyrgo kai o Prwqypoyrgos ekane dekto to aithma kai qa dexqei, ayrio, ton Amerikano presbh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mono gia to qema ayto ths episkechs Klinton...;

REPPAS: Enocei ths episkechs ginetai h synanthsh. Anefera to prohgoymeno ths synanthshs me to Germano presbh sth xwra mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa syzhthsoyn kai alla qemata;

REPPAS: Qa syzhthsoyn qemata ta opoia aforoyn tis dimereis sxeseis, qemata poy exoyn koino endiaferon. Logiko einai na asxoloyntai me tetoia qemata aytoi oi opoioi synantwntai. Pantws, h synanthsh ayth ginetai enocei ths episkechs toy Proedroy Klinton.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exei bgei h atzenta; Qa mas th dwsete;

REPPAS: Akomh, den exei katartistei plhrws to programma. Ayto to qema

to xeirizetai kai h amerikanikh pleyra, h opoia exei kai ekeinh to logo gia na oloklhrwsei tis protaseis ths, prokeimenoy na katartistei to teliko programma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia thn kloph twn pente pyraylwn sthn Kw, to epibebaiwnete;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti sth sygkekrimenh monada dienergeitai ereyna. Diapistwqhke oti oi pyroswlhnes yparxoyn. Apla, ta blhmata exoyn xrhsimopoihqei. Exoyn apoqhkeytei, dhladh, oi pyroswlhnes, xwris na yparxoyn ta blhmata. Diapistwqhke, meta apo thn ereyna poy egine, oti oi pyroswlhnes aytoi antistoixoyn stoys pyroswlhnes poy ej arxhs eixe xrewqei o sygkekrimenos ypologos. Apla, egine kapoia paranohsh, kata th diadikasia paradoshs kai paralabhs. Oi pyroswlhnes, me to sygkekrimeno mhtrwo toys, opws exoyn katagrafei, yparxoyn, den exoyn xaqei. Exoyn xrhsimopoihqei, omws ta blhmata. Blhmata, ektos pyroswlhnwn, den einai dynaton na yparxoyn, oyte apoqhkeyontai. Ara, to symperasma sto opoio, katarxas, katalhgoyme, meta apo th diejagwgh ths ereynas ayths, einai oti yphrje kapoia paranohsh, kapoio laqos. Oi pyroswlhnes yparxoyn, ta blhmata exoyn xrhsimopoihqei. Den yparxei epomenws qema klophs, yparxei qema kapoias kakhs synennohshs.

MIXAHL: Qema prowrwn eklogwn, prin jekinhsei h diadikasia ekloghs Proedroy ths Dhmokratias apo th Boylh, tiqetai gia thn kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Den tiqetai tetoio qema.

MIXAHL: H kybernhsh ejetazei h exei skeceis gia merikh h olikh h epanadiatypwsh pleyrwn toy eklogikoy nomoy;

REPPAS: Den tiqetai tetoio qema.

MIXAHL: Ta xqesina dhmosieymata pws ta sxoliazete:

REPPAS: Aphxoyn tis apoceis twn syntaktwn. Ayto ginetai pantote

MIXAHL: Sthn apeyktaia periptwsh gia thn kybernhsh, poy den yparjei aytodynamh kybernhsh, to PASOK pros ta poy strefetai;

REPPAS: Den antilambanomai thn erwthsh sas. Qelete na syzhthsoyme gia to eklogiko apotelesma, meta tis epikeimenes ekloges, oi opoies qa ginoyn se peripoy deka mhnes; Exoyme pei oti oi ekloges prepei na ginoyn me to telos ths qhteias ayths ths Boylhs, to Septembrio toy 2000. Kai pisteyoyme oti oloklhrwnontas to ergo mas, o ellhnikos laos qa empisteyqei kai pali se ayth thn kybernhsh, me thn chfo toy, th diakybernhsh ths xwras. Den tiqetai, loipon, tetoio qema kata th dikh mas politikh ektimhsh.

MIXAHL: Pws sxoliazete, ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, th qesh poy diatypwse o ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas, oti brhke ejypnh thn idea toy k. Ebert na ginei politikh symfwnia gia thn eklogh Proedroy kai meta kai thn typikh egkrish eisodoy ths xwras sthn ONE, na ginoyn ekloges;

REPPAS: Epanalambanw thn pagia qesh ths kybernhshs. Emeis epiqymoyme, ayth h Boylh, me thn paroysa synqesh, na eklejei Proedro ths Dhmokratias. O Prwqypoyrgos, kat` epanalhch, exei pei oti h Boylh mporei kai prepei na anadeijei Proedro Dhmokratias me synainetikes diadikasies. H protash poy exoyme diatypwsei prepei na tyxei ths eyryterhs dynaths apodoxhs, giati antapokrinetai sta symferonta ths xwras, alla kai apodeiknyei to sebasmo kai thn proshlwsh olwn mas sth leitoyrgia twn qesmwn. Kai bebaiws, h qhteia ths kybernhshs qa oloklhrwqei to Septembrio toy 2000, opote prepei na ginoyn kai oi koinoboyleytikes ekloges.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eipate, sxetika me ta xqesina dhmosieymata poy anaferontai ston eklogiko nomo, oti ekfrazoyn tis apoceis twn syntaktwn toys. An laboyme ypoch mas oti enas sygkekrimenos syntakths sas ypedeije na aposyrete to nomosxedio gia to Binteolotto, mporoyme na ypoqesoyme oti to idio qa kanete kai sthn prokeimenh periptwsh gia ton eklogiko nomo.

REPPAS: Poia einai h erwthsh;

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ean qa akoloyqhsete, akribws, ayta poy sas ypodeiknyei to "BHMA".

REPPAS: Oyte to ena synebh, sthn periptwsh poy anafereste, oyte to allo mas apasxolei. Oson afora ton eklogiko nomo, einai qema to opoio den mas apasxolei.

KARAMPASHS: O Prwqypoyrgos xarakthrise ws aparadekto kai ntroph, h Ajiwmatikh Antipoliteysh h stelexh ths na prospaqoyn na parempodisoyn thn poreia ths xwras mas pros thn ONE. Yparxei kati pio sygkekrimeno poy mporeite na mas peite;

REPPAS: Kat` epanalhch, o arxhgos kai ajiwmatoyxoi ths N.D., milwntas dhmosiws, exoyn anaferqei sthn politikh poy akoloyqei h kybernhsh, paromoiazontas thn me "dhmioyrgikh logistikh". Mas kathgoroyn oti parapoioyme ta stoixeia. Exoyn, kat` epanalhch, pei oti "makigiaroyme" ta oikonomika megeqh, ta opoia paroysiazoyme stoys ajiwmatoyxoys ths E.E., enw gnwrizoyn poly kala oti oi elegktikoi foreis ths E.E. exoyn kat` epanalhch elegjei thn poreia twn oikonomikwn megeqwn sth xwra mas kai exoyn apofanqei qetika. H Ellada brisketai se apostash anapnohs apo thn entajh sthn ONE. Ayth h poreia den prepei na anakopei. Alla, asfalws, yponomeyetai apo tetoioy eidoys politikes prwtoboylies. Kai epeidh tiqetai ena qema, prepei na eimai kathgorhmatikos kai oso ginetai pio safhs se ayto: Ta lene oi ajiwmatoyxoi ths N.D., edw sthn Ellada, se kaqe eykairia kai me kaqe tropo, ta idia epanalambanoyn kai stoys ajiwmatoyxoys ths E.E., me toys opoioys epikoinwnoyn. Ekeinoi jeroyn poly kala ti exoyn pei. Gi ayto, qa prepei na eimaste oloi eilikrineis kai poly ypeyqynoi, otan anaferomaste se tetoia qemata apo ta opoia, en pollois, krinetai h poreia ths xwras gia ta epomena xronia.

BITALHS: Eseis, nomizw, eixate anakoinwsei mia prwtoboylia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, oti prokeitai na synanthsei toys politikoys arxhgoys, enocei ths ekloghs Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, gia na syzhthsoyn. Qelw na sas rwthsw, pote peripoy blepete na ginoyn aytes oi synanthseis;

REPPAS: Den exoyn programmatistei tetoies synanthseis. Ayto to opoio mporw na pw -kai se ayto arkoymai twra- einai toyto kai mono toyto: Mporoyn na ajiopoihsoyn thn protash toy Prwqypoyrgoy ta alla politika kommata, wste, opws kai to Syntagma problepei, na proxwrhsoyme se mia anadeijh toy neoy Proedroy ths Ellhnikhs Dhmokratias, me synainetikes diadikasies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, den qa toys dexqei;

REPPAS: An toys dexqei, qa rwtate giati toys dexetai. Otan den toys dexqei, qa peite giati den toys dexetai...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis to eixate pei.

REPPAS: Sas eipa, den exei programmatistei twra. Eixame anakoinwsei hmeromhnia, wste na mas egkaleite oti ephlqe h xronikh stigmh kai apodeixqhkame asynepeis;

BITALHS: Oyte blepete na ginetai ayth h synanthsh meta thn episkech toy k. Klinton, pros to telos toy mhna;

REPPAS: An o Prwqypoyrgos apofasisei na kalesei toys politikoys arxhgoys, qa to anakoinwsoyme.

FILHS: Eipate oti to programma toy k. Klinton den einai kaqorismeno. Qa hqela na rwthsw, an mporoyme na qewroyme ws dedomeno, opws palaiotera kai o k. Mpoys, oti o Proedros twn HPA qa milhsei sto Ellhniko Koinoboylio;

REPPAS: Einai kati poy, ej oswn gnwrizw, kat` arxas den problepetai. Alla, epeidh, akribws, den exei katartistei to programma, oydeis mporei na milhsei gia to programma ayto, toylaxiston ayth thn wra.

FILHS: H ellhnikh pleyra den qewrei oti exei na kanei kai me mia apodosh timhs apo to synolo toy politikoy kosmoy ths xwras, ean o Proedros twn HPA milhsei sto Ellhniko Koinoboylio;

REPPAS: Eikazw, me ton tropo poy qetete thn erwthsh, oti einai kai mia dikh sas qesh ayth. Qewreite, dhladh, oti einai mia kinhsh timhs ayth.

FILHS: Einai mia pagia qesh ayth.

REPPAS: Den einai pagia qesh. Polloi jenoi hgetes poy episkeptontai thn Ellada den miloyn sto Ellhniko Koinoboylio. To gnwrizete poly kala. Egine mia orismenh periodo, otan episkefqhke thn Ellada o tote Proedros twn HPA, o k. Mpoys. Den exete polla alla paradeigmata na anaferete.

FILHS: Osakis episkefqhke thn Ellada Proedros twn HPA, me symfwnia olwn twn politikwn kommatwn, kybernhshs kai antipoliteyshs, milhse sto Ellhniko Koinoboylio. Ayto gia thn istoria. Eipate oti, twra, kati tetoio den problepetai h kanw laqos;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti den exei katartistei to programma. Kai to programma se aytes tis periptwseis katartizetai meta apo synergasia kai twn dyo pleyrwn. H synergasia ayth einai se ejelijh. Den exei oloklhrwqei.

FILHS: Xqes, yphrje mia tragwdia sta synora ths Elladas me thn Toyrkia. Laqrometanastes epesan panw se ena ellhniko narkopedio, alloi skotwqhkan, alloi traymatisthkan. Qymamai oti o Prwqypoyrgos, otan eixe episkefqei ta boreia synora ths xwras, pro dietias, eixe ejaggeilei th diadikasia apojhlwshs twn narkwn proswpikoy, kata proswpikoy, sebomenos kai mia dieqnh symfwnia poy ekeinh thn periodo eixe ypografei. Qelw na rwthsw, pote kai apo poy qa arxisei ayth h diadikasia apojhlwshs twn narkwn poy briskontai gyrw apo ta synora ths xwras.

REPPAS: H qesh mas einai pagia. Einai ayth h opoia symperilambanetai kai sth symfwnia ths Ottabas, thn opoia exoyme ypogracei. H symfwnia ayth qa epikyrwqei apo thn Ellhnikh Boylh, prokeimenoy na efarmostei kai sthn prajh. Pragmati, eimaste kata twn narkwn kata proswpikoy. Prepei na sas pw oti h diadikasia ayth, h opoia syntomotata qa jekinhsei, afoy epikyrwqei h sxetikh symfwnia sth Boylh, apotelei mia

politikh qesh apo thn opoia oyte kata keraia apomakrynomaste. Apla, gia thn istoria toy pragmatos, sas qymizw oti h Toyrkia den exei ypogracei th sxetikh symfwnia, opws kai alles xwres. Oi HPA, gia paradeigma, den exoyn ypogracei th sxetikh symfwnia. To anaferw ayto gia na epanalabw oti emeis paramenoyme staqera se ayth th qesh. Qa epikyrwqei h symfwnia apo thn Ellhnikh Boylh kai qa teqei se efarmogh.

FILHS: Emeis synartoyme th stash mas...

REPPAS: Oxi, kamia synarthsh. Gi ayto, akribws, eipa oti h qesh mas einai atalanteyth. Anefera, apla, gia thn istoria toy qematos kapoia stoixeia, oxi gia na synarthsw th stash mas me th stash allwn xwrwn. Hmoyn safhs. Den apomakrynomaste oyte keraia apo th qesh ayth.

FILHS: Pote problepetai na perasei apo th Boylh ayth h symbash, h opoia oso kaqysterei na perasei kostizei se anqrwpino aima.

REPPAS: Qa prepei na efarmosoyme thn politikh ayth, to syntomotero dynato. Alla, qa prepei, epishs, na antimetwpisoyme, se synergasia me oles tis xwres ths perioxhs, kai ta fainomena ths laqrometanasteyshs, poy syxnotata exoyn tetoies tragikes synepeies.

FILHS: Yparxei ekfrash lyphs, ek meroys ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, gi ayto to gegonos;

REPPAS: H politikh qesh poy exoyme ekfrasei einai taytoxrona dhlwtikh toy pws antimetwpizoyme aytes tis tragikes synepeies, otan dystyxeis anqrwpoi, anazhtwntas mia kalyterh zwh, xanoyn kyriolektika th zwh toys. Asfalws lypoymaste gi ayto.

FILHS: Twra, omws.

REPPAS: Oxi, twra. Panta lypoymaste, giati yparxei ayth h dystyxia kai para polloi ginontai qymata doylemporwn anazhtwntas kalyterh tyxh.

FILHS: Gia to aima poy xyqhke, yphrje kapoia kybernhtikh anakoinwsh;

REPPAS: Den eimaste ligotero eyaisqhtoi apo esas, k. Filh. Kai se dyskoles synqhkes, h kybernhsh akoloyqei mia politikh, h opoia pisteyw -kai prepei na to dexqeite ayto- einai h orqh politikh.

BOYZAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, se synexeia toy erwthmatos poy eqese o synadelfos k. Mixahl, qa hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Eipate -an katalaba kala- oti o k. Tsoxatzopoylos epanelabe thn pagia qesh ths kybernhshs. Kala to katalaba ayto;

REPPAS: Oxi.

BOYZAS: Den eipate ayto loipon. Mporeite na mas epanalabete ti akribws eipe o k. Tsoxatzopoylos;

REPPAS: Epanelaba th qesh ths kybernhshs, h opoia einai gnwsth.

BOYZAS: Ara, to erwthma moy einai: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh th qesh ayth toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy, na yparjei politikh symfwnia kai na pame se ekloges ton Ioynio;

REPPAS: Me thn apanthsh poy edwsa ston k. Mixahl.

BOYZAS: Kai kati allo na rwthsw: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh th qesh toy k. Barbitsiwth na yparjei politikh symfwnia se qemata diafaneias kai na pame se ekloges ton Ioynio;

REPPAS: Polla qesmika kai telikws antiqesmika texnasmata h tertipia mporei na xrhsimopoioyn kapoioi, mono kai mono, gia na dhmioyrgoyn entypwseis h gia na epixeirhsoyn etsi na bgoyn apo ton asfyktiko politiko kloio, ston opoio monoi toys exoyn perielqei. Yparxei diadikasia poy afora thn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, h opoia problepetai apo to Syntagma. Den qa prepei na sysxetizetai me otidhpote allo. Den mporei na apotelei stoixeio diapragmateyshs, to na kanei kapoios to politiko xreos toy. Politiko xreos sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, opws kai to Syntagma epitassei, einai h synennohsh twn politikwn dynamewn gia thn anadeijh toy Proedroy ths Ellhnikhs Dhmokratias me thn eyryterh dynath synainesh. Den exei opoiadhpote sxesh to qema ayto me opoiadhpote diapragmateysh gia alla qemata. Einai adianohto. Kanoyn xarh sto PASOK, sthn Kybernhsh; Kanoyn xarh ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias, legontas kapoioi oti qa sas chfisoyme, qa sas dwsoyme ayth thn eklogh, arkei na mas dwsete eseis, enanti ayths ths koinhs mas symfwnias, kati allo; Ayta qewroyme oti einai antiqesmikes karikatoyres, oi opoies den exoyn qesh se ena politiko systhma, to opoio prepei na leitoyrgei, an einai dynaton, acoga, me sobarothta, me eyqynh.

KWSTANTHS: Se mia prohgoymenh apanthsh sas, eipate gia ta stelexh ths

N.D. oti ta idia lene kai stoys koinotikoys ajiwmatoyxoys. Epeidh, etsi opws diatypwsate ki eseis thn apanthsh sas, alla kai o Prwqypoyrgos kata thn omilia toy sthn Arkadia, einai ligo aoristh ayth h kataggelia, qelw na sas rwthsw ean exete stoixeia, poioi, pote, poy, exoyn kanei aytes tis...

REPPAS: Na sas kanw mia erwthsh protoy sas dwsw plhrh apanthsh; Eseis pisteyete, loipon, oti ta stelexh ths N.D. lene ayta ta opoia lene sto eswteriko ths xwras kai sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh lene teleiws diaforetika pragmata;

KWSTANTHS: Den eipa ayto. Ektojeyete mia kataggelia, h opoia einai metewrh.

REPPAS: Einai safh ayta ta opoia eipe o Prwqypoyrgos kai einai safh ola osa eipa egw. Paramenoyme edw. Gnwrizoyn poly kala ta stelexh ths N.D. ti exoyn pei kata tis synanthseis toys me toys koinotikoys ajiwmatoyxoys. Gnwrizoyn para poly kala.

KWSTANTHS: Den prepei na to maqoyme ki emeis. Den apantate sto erwthma.

REPPAS: Apanthsa se erwthsh prin.

KWSTANTHS: Poioi, poy, pote, pws;

REPPAS: Astynomiko reportaz kanete k. Kwstanth; Politikh syzhthsh kanoyme.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h atzenta twn synomiliwn toy k. Klinton me ton k. Shmith exei diamorfwqei;

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin k. Mpermperakh.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Sygnwmh, twn synomiliwn, pote...;

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin kai gi ayta ta qemata, gia to periexomeno twn syzhthsewn kata th synanthsh toys. Exw apanthsei apo thn prwth stigmh, dinontas ena plaisio. Einai dimerh qemata, einai qemata ths eyryterhs perioxhs poy exoyn gia mas idiaitero endiaferon. Anamenomeno einai na syzhthqoyn ayta ta qemata.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Pairnw aformh apo mia apanthsh sas na sas rwthsw: Milhsate gia "antiqesmikes karikatoyres", gia osoys proteinoyn diapragmateysh me aformh thn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias kai diafores tetoies diadikasies. Se aytes tis "karikatoyres" anhkei kai o Akhs Tsoxatzopoylos, poy deixnei na symfwnei me diapragmateysh;

REPPAS: Den milhsa gia proswpa, milhsa gia diadikasies. Oson afora th leitoyrgia twn qesmwn, antilambaneste ki eseis, pws den mporei na ypaxqei h leitoyrgia twn qesmwn se opoiasdhpote morfhs diapragmateysh.

KARAMPASHS: O prwhn ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Pagkalos ektimhse oti h xwra mas qa perasei ena asxhmo 24wro sth Synodo Koryfhs toy Elsinki, giati ektima oti o ellhnotoyrkikos dialogos apo meso exei ginei aytoskopos. Pws ypodexqhke aytes tis nees epishmanseis toy k. Pagkaloy h kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola h politikh poy akoloyqei h kybernhsh exei ena qetiko gegonos, poy den einai allo, para h beltiwsh twn sxesewn, oson afora to klima. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, oi dyo kybernhseis paramenoyn sthn politikh poy exoyn ejaggeilei, edw kai kairo. Ayth thn politikh akoloyqoyn. Ta qemata paramenoyn anoikta. Den exei allajei tipota ws pros ayto. H ellhnikh kybernhsh kai sth Synodo Koryfhs sto Elsinki, qa diatypwsei th qesh ths me gnwmona to eqniko symferon. Den yparxei opoiodhpote problhma. Otan yperaspizesai to eqniko symferon, pantote epitygxaneis toys stoxoys soy, se megalytero h mikrotero pososto. Giati, bebaiws, sthn prospaqeia poy kaneis den eisai monos soy, yparxoyn kai oi etairoi, oi alles xwres. Ayto gia to opoio mporw na sas diabebaiwsw einai toyto: Den prokeitai na einai oi stigmes toso asxhmes gia thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, gia enan poly aplo logo: h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei jekaqarh, exei safestath politikh kai gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma. Einai qema allwn na aposafhnisoyn plhrws thn politikh toys, wste na prokycei -kai epiqymoyme na prokycei- symfwnia, gia to qema ths apokthshs apo thn Toyrkia ths idiothtas ths ypochfias pros entajh sthn E.E. xwras. Emeis exoyme jekaqarisei thn politikh mas, h opoia qa ekfrastei ekeinh thn wra sympyknwmena me ena "nai" h ena "oxi". Mporei na symbei to ena, mporei na symbei to allo. Ara, loipon, me gnwmona to eqniko symferon, exontas sygkrothmenh politikh qesh, eimaste etoimoi gi ayth th maxh, h opoia pisteyoyme oti oxi mono den qa epiferei apwleies, alla isa-isa qa apokomisei h Ellada kerdh, apo thn paroysia mas sth Diaskech.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa epanelqw sto erwthma toy k. Kwstanth. Poioi einai aytoi, giati den mas lete ta onomata; Poioi kai poy phgainoyn kai lene ayta ta pragmata; Giati den ta lete;

REPPAS: Qa mas epitrecete ki emas na akoloyqhsoyme mia politikh, h opoia metajy twn allwn xarakthrizetai apo eyqynh kai sobarothta. Ayta ta opoia eipame isxyoyn apolytws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den isxyoyn.

REPPAS: Mh biazeste kai mhn protrexete, giati qa breqeite pro ekplhjewn. Mporw na anaferw polla poy exoyn eipwqei apo ajiwmatoyxoys ths N.D. kata kairoys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Peste ta.

REPPAS: Anaferqhka, apantwntas sthn prwth erwthsh gia to sxetiko zhthma, se xarakthrismoys, oi opoioi exoyn diatypwqei edw kai arketa xronia. Mporw na toys epanalabw, an kai den einai toy parontos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati den einai;

REPPAS: Den einai ayth epilogh mas. Mh biazeste, omws, na symparataxqeite oysiastikws me ekeinoys, oi opoioi: To Dekembrio toy 1997 xarakthrizan "trabesti" thn ellhnikh oikonomia. To Martio toy 1998 elegan oti h politikh ths kybernhshs mas apomakrynei apo thn ONE, anti na mas fernei konta sthn ONE. Ton Ioylio toy 1998 elegan oti h kybernhsh epididetai se logistikes alxhmeies. Ton Aygoysto toy 1998 tonizan oti parapoioyme ta stoixeia kai ejefrazan amfibolies gia thn ekplhrwsh twn krithriwn sygklishs, gia na katalhjoyn to Martio toy 1999, na zhtoyn apo ton k. Rabazio -sth synanthsh poy eixan, opws aneferan kai oi idioi- elastikh ermhneia twn krithriwn poy qetei h Synqhkh toy Maastrixt. Leei meta o k. Karamanlhs, to Martio toy 1999, oti h poreia mas pros thn ONE, fainetai oti proxwra ikanopoihtika xarh sthn ajiopoihsh ths "dhmioyrgikhs logistikhs" ths kybernhshs. Kai problepei to Maio toy 1999, oti sto telos toy 1999, to dhmosio xreos den qa einai 2%, opws problepei h kybernhsh, alla qa proseggizei to 5%. Ola ayta kai alla polla poy qa einai sth diaqesh sas -enw o stoxos poy exoyme epityxei einai symfwnos me ta osa eixame problecei- deixnoyn poioi einai ekeinoi, oi opoioi me kaqe tropo epixeirhsan kai dystyxws synexizoyn na epixeiroyn na amayrwsoyn thn prospaqeia poy kanei o ellhnikos laos, en telei, me thn politikh ths kybernhshs, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme thn entajh ths xwras sthn ONE. Alla gia ola ayta qa exoyme thn eykairia na syzhthsoyme pali.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, allo htan to erwthma. O Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti pane kryfa kai synomiloyn me ajiwmatoyxoys ths E.E. kai dinoyn stoixeia.

REPPAS: Ola ayta einai poly safh kai poly kala gnwrizoyn ta stelexh ths N.D. me poioys milhsan, pote milhsan kai ti toys eipan. To gnwrizoyn poly kala.

FILHS: Osa anaferate nwritera, toylaxiston, osa katonomasate kai apodwsate einai stoixeia toy dhmosioy politikoy dialogoy.

REPPAS: Ayta, k. Filh, mporw na sas diabebaiwsw, oti exoyn kata ton idio tropo metaferqei apo kommatikoys ajiwmatoyxoys ths N.D. se koinotikoys ajiwmatoyxoys.

FILHS: O,ti katatiqetai dhmosiws...

REPPAS: Ektos an isxyristoyn kapoioi oti alla lene edw kai ejw miloyn me qetiko logo gia thn prospaqeia ths kybernhshs na epityxei aytoys toys oikonomikoys deiktes, oi opoioi antapokrinontai kai sthn oikonomikh pragmatikothta ths xwras.

FILHS: O,ti katatiqetai dhmosiws kai ypeyqynws sto plaisio toy Koinoboylioy, ths arqrografias, twn politikwn parembasewn -dhmosiws, epanalambanw- einai logiko oti mporei na exei kai mia xrhsh gia thn opoia den eyqynetai aytos poy leei tis apoceis toy. Eseis, twra, qetete ena stoixeio aytologokrisias twn politikwn sth xwra mas gia na mhn yponomeyoyn, kata th gnwmh sas, thn poreia pros thn ONE;

REPPAS: Lypoymai poy katalabate ayto. Egw qetw ena kai mono qema: Toy ypeyqynoy tropoy me ton opoio miloyme kai prattoyme se ayth th xwra. Giati antilambaneste pws kai oi politikoi paragontes, poy miloyn me ton tropo me ton opoio miloyn h symperiferontai, prepei na antilhfqoyn oti o tropos aytos einai blaptikos kai epizhmios gia thn idia th xwra kai gia thn paratajh toys, thn opoia ekqetoyn me ton tropo me ton opoio miloyn kai prattoyn. Alla, ayto den einai qema toy parontos. As prostateysoyn ekeinoi ton eayto toys kai to komma toys. Den einai qema ths kybernhshs. H kybernhsh endiaferetai na diasfalisei ta symferonta ths xwras kai ayto kanei.

Sas eyxaristw.

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