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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 7 Oktwbrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, qa moy epitrecete na anaferqw sto xqesino chfisma toy Eyrwkoinoboylioy kai na kanw to ejhs sxolio:

To chfisma ths Eyrwboylhs epanalambanei ton pyrhna twn politikwn qesewn poy apofasisthkan sth Synodo Koryfhs toy Loyjemboyrgoy, oson afora tis sxeseis ths E. E. me thn Toyrkia. Einai ena chfisma me poly qetiko periexomeno, afoy se ayto perilambanontai pagies ellhnikes qeseis gia thn politikh ths E. E. apenanti sthn Toyrkia. Diasfalizetai kai katoxyrwnetai h anagkh na yparjoyn sygkekrimenes proypoqeseis kai desmeyseis apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias, prokeimenoy na ginei dekth sthn E. E.

Oson afora de, ayto poy apofasisthke, dhladh, th dynatothta ths Toyrkias na ypobalei aithsh kai na kriqei h aithsh ths, kai oxi na katastei -opws kapoioi epixeiroyn na paroysiasoyn to qema- ypochfia pros entajh xwra sthn E. E. aytomatws, pisteyoyme oti ayto akribws to shmeio apodeiknyei kai tis epifylajeis toy Eyrwkoinoboylioy gia thn ikanothta ths Toyrkias na katastei ypochfia pros entajh xwra sthn E. E., alla kai th qesh toy Eyrwkoinoboylioy me thn opoia syndeetai h poreia proodoy ths Toyrkias pros thn E. E. me sygkekrimenoys kanones, me arxes kai proypoqeseis poy isxyoyn pagiws gia oles tis xwres.

Pio analytika, sto chfisma ayto to Eyrwkoinoboylio anaferei oti yfistatai dhmokratiko elleimma sthn Toyrkia, oti den ginontai sebasta ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata, oti, oson afora thn epibolh toy nomoy kai thn anagnwrish twn dikaiwmatwn twn meionothtwn, h Toyrkia ysterei se sxesh me to epipedo poy xarakthrizei to eyrwpaiko kekthmeno.

Oson afora qemata poy exoyn idiaitero endiaferon gia emas -kai periorizomai se ayta- tria einai ta shmeia, ta opoia ajizei na tonisoyme:

Prwton, h anafora oti h Toyrkia den plhroi ta krithria ths Kopegxaghs.

Deyteron, oti qa prepei aperispasta, xwris ejarthseis apo thn poreia twn eyrwtoyrkikwn sxesewn, na synexistei h diadikasia gia thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E. E..

Triton, h Toyrkia qa prepei na antapokriqei stis prwtoboylies ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs gia thn anaptyjh sxesewn kalhs geitonias, sth bash twn kanonwn toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy kai twn Dieqnwn Synqhkwn.

Ayth h desmh qesewn antapokrinetai plhrws stis apofaseis poy exei labei h E. E., se qeseis poy einai pagies gia th xwra mas. Katopin toytoy, qewrw parelkystikh, anistorhth thn kritikh poy askeitai sthn kybernhsh, idiaiterws apo th Nea Dhmokratia, h opoia epixeirei thn politikh ejapathsh twn politwn.

Oxi mono den yparxei opoiadhpote ypoxwrhsh h apempolhsh ellhnikwn dikaiwmatwn, antiqetws yparxei plhrhs diasfalish, prowqhsh kai katoxyrwsh twn ellhnikwn qesewn mesa apo to chfisma ayto, to opoio -epanalambanw- dinei sthn Toyrkia th dynatothta na ypobalei aithsh kai na kriqei h aithsh ths, prokeimenoy na katastei ypochfia pros entajh xwra. Den anagnwrizei sthn Toyrkia, opws ceydws, parelkystikws, paraplanhtikws epixeirei h Nea Dhmokratia na paroysiasei thn ejelijh ayth, to kaqestws ths ypochfias xwras aytomatws.

Ayta, gia na aposafhnisoyme to periexomeno toy chfismatos kai thn politikh qesh twn kommatwn sthn Ellada.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KARGOYDH: Sto chfisma anaferetai oti qa prepei h Toyrkia na entaxqei plhrws sta problepomena apo to Symfwno Staqerothtas. Pws ermhneyetai ayto; Den einai plhrws entagmenh; Ti akribws shmainei ayto;

REPPAS: H Toyrkia qa prepei na symperilhfqei sto Symfwno Staqerothtas gia th N. A. Eyrwph, gia to opoio ginetai syzhthsh. Gnwrizete, poly kala, oti to qema ayto, ths dhmioyrgias enos organismoy, sto plaisio ths politikhs gia th staqerothta sth N. A. Eyrwph, exei syzhthqei kata koron. Polles dynameis ths E. E. h kai toy NATO akomh, eixan proteinei h politikh ayth na perioristei sta toy Kossyfopedioy, enw h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, htan apo thn arxh, yper ths anaptyjhs ayths ths politikhs, sto plaisio toy dhmioyrgoymenoy Symfwnoy Staqerothtas, sto synolo twn xwrwn twn Balkaniwn, sto synolo twn xwrwn ths N. A. Eyrwphs. Eimaste symfwnoi me to na symmetexoyn se ayth th diadikasia anasygkrothshs oles oi xwres ths perioxhs.

PODHMATA: Xarakthrisate ''parelkystikh'' thn kritikh ths Neas Dhmokratias. Thn kritikh poy askhsan empraktws dia ths chfoy toys dyo eyrwboyleytes toy PASOK pws thn xarakthrizete;

REPPAS: Oi dyo eyrwboyleytes exoyn kanei dhlwseis. H Eyrwkoinoboyleytikh Omada leitoyrgei me bash to diko ths eswteriko kanonismo. Pisteyoyme oti oi dhlwseis kai oi ejhghseis twn dyo eyrwboyleytwn einai safeis. Den askoyn opoiadhpote kritikh sthn kybernhsh gia apempolhsh eqnikwn dikaiwn, opws kanei h allh pleyra. Kai edw yparxei h diaforopoihsh kai o diaxwrismos. Ayto den prepei na mas diafeygei. Oi dhlwseis, loipon, einai safeis. Katopin toytoy den yparxei synexeia.

PODHMATA: Otan qewroyn aneparkes to chfisma, ejhgwntas toys logoys giati den to chfisan -h kyria Mhliwrh se radiofwniko staqmo, shmera, eipe oti ston tomea twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn to chfisma den einai eparkes kai ikanopoihtiko kai gi` ayto to logo den to yioqethse. Den exw akoysei dhlwseis toy k. Soyladakh, alla qewrw oti dia ths apoxhs toy...

REPPAS: O k. Soyladakhs dhlwse oti den exei arnhtikh qesh -opws o idios ermhneyse- ws pros th stash twn allwn eyrwboyleytwn. Qelw na pw toyto: Sthn politikh prajh ayto to opoio epidiwketai einai h epichfish enos keimenoy, to opoio sygkentrwnei th megisth dynath yposthrijh, prokeimenoy na dei to fws ths dhmosiothtas, na egkriqei, na apotelesei th qesh enos organoy. Bebaiws, mporei kaqenas na diatypwnei opoiadhpote apoch. Omws, an h apoch ayth den exei thn paramikrh piqanothta na katastei qesh toy organoy, antilambaneste pws paramenei periqwriakh kai aney praktikoy antikrismatos.

Qewroyme oti oi qeseis aytes poy symperilambanontai sto chfisma toy Eyrwkoinoboylioy, einai apolyta symfwnes me tis pagies qeseis ths ellhnikhs ejwterikhs politikhs gia ta synafh qemata. Katopin toytoy, qewroyme poly qetikh kai epityxh thn ejelijh ayth.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti mesolabhse kai doqhke h entolh stoys eyrwboyleytes toy PASOK na chfisoyn to chfisma;

REPPAS: Den mesolabhse tipota. Den xreiazotan na doqei entolh, doqentos oti oi eyrwboyleytes den ekanan tipota allo, para na ekfrasoyn thn pagia qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Qa elega, na ekfrasoyn me thn chfo toys, yperaspizomenoi ta eqnika symferonta, ayto poy apotelei epidiwjh ths xwras mas, oson afora to qema twn eyrwtoyrkikwn sxesewn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poies alles desmeyseis kai ypoxwrhseis enanti ths Toyrkias exoyme;

REPPAS: Oxi mono den symbainei kati tetoio, san ayto sto opoio eseis anafereste me thn erwthsh sas, alla, antiqetws, h politikh ths xwras mas ston tomea ayto einai epiqetikh politikh. Epanalambanw oti epiqymoyme thn proseggish ths Toyrkias sthn E. E. -katw apo sygkekrimenes desmeyseis, tis opoies qa analabei h Toyrkia- kai me ayth thn ennoia, epeidh den mporei na einai eikonikh ypochfiothta, h endexomenh ypochfiothta ths Toyrkias gia na entaxqei sthn E. E., sthn Toyrkia apomenei twra pleon na analabei prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy na antapokriqei se aytes tis ypoxrewseis. Prepei na einai safes -to lew me aformh thn erwthsh sas- oti ayto to opoio sto sygkekrimeno chfisma anaferetai, epanalambanei to aytonohto: Opoiadhpote xwra kai ana pasa stigmh, typikws, qewrhtikws mporei na kataqesei aithsh, wste na ginei dekth sthn E. E.. Den to apagoreyei kaneis. Shmasia exei o elegxos, h krish, h proodos, oson afora th sxetikh aithsh. H Toyrkia, allwste, exei kai sto parelqon ypobalei sxetikh aithsh. Ara, loipon, qa prepei na einai safes oti ayto poy perilambanetai sto chfisma, afora th dynatothta ths Toyrkias na ypobalei aithsh kai oxi thn anagnwrish toy kaqestwtos, gia thn Toyrkia, ths ypochfias pros entajh xwras sthn E. E.. Kapoioi prospaqoyn na dhmioyrghsoyn mia sygxysh, gi` ayto akribws prepei na eimai se ayto to shmeio apolytws epejhghmatikos kai safhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Thn idia hmera poy chfizan oi eyrwboyleytes toy PASOK thn eisodo ths Toyrkias sthn E. E., o k. Etsebit elege oti to Kypriako elhje to 1974.

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei, kat` epanalhch, se dhlwseis Toyrkwn ajiwmatoyxwn gia to kypriako qema. Gnwrizete oti antiqeta me thn politikh twn kybernhsewn ths Neas Dhmokratias, oi kybernhseis toy PASOK kaqierwsan to dogma toy EAX. Oi kybernhseis toy PASOK, apo koinoy me thn kybernhsh ths Kyproy, programmatisan, sxediasan kai eqesan se efarmogh koina stratiwtika gymnasia. Oi kybernhseis toy PASOK einai aytes, oi opoies eqesan se poreia entajhs sthn E. E. thn Kypriakh Dhmokratia. Tipota to qetiko den mporei na pistwqei sth Nea Dhmokratia gia to Kypriako, oso ayth kybernhse ton topo. Antiqetws, oti qetiko yparxei gia thn Kypro, yparxei logw twn prwtoboyliwn twn kybernhsewn toy PASOK sth xwra mas.

Apo ton OHE, anagnwrizetai oti to Kypriako paramenei ena problhma sth N. A. Mesogeio. Exoyn ekdoqei allepallhla chfismata, xarh kai stis dikes mas prwtoboylies. Chfismata, ta opoia apodeiknyoyn oti to qema ayto einai anoixto kai zhta lysh. Ara, loipon, monon o k. Etsebit kai kapoioi alloi Toyrkoi ajiwmatoyxoi se olo ton kosmo, sthn pagkosmia koinothta, einai aytoi poy isxyrizontai oti den yparxei kypriako problhma. Alla, mias kai milame me ayto ton tropo, me aformh ayto to chfisma h tis dhlwseis Toyrkwn ajiwmatoyxwn, sas lew toyto: To 1992 sth Synodo Koryfhs ths Lissabonas, me kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, syzhthqhke gia prwth fora ena plaisio politikwn sxesewn ths E. E. me thn Toyrkia. Antilambanomaste oloi oti tote, logw toy oti yphrxe se entash to skopiano zhthma, qewrhse skopimo h tote kybernhsh na dexqei na syzhthqei ena tetoio plaisio politikwn sxesewn E. E. -Toyrkias. Alla, ayto egine tote, to 1992. As pacoyn kapoioi na paraplanoyn h na epixeiroyn na paraplanhsoyn thn koinh gnwmh, me tetoio tropo, o opoios einai aneyqynos kai epizhmios gia ta eqnika symferonta, afoy anti ena tetoio chfisma na anadeiknyetai ws isxyro ''atoy'' sta xeria ths ellhnikhs ejwterikhs politikhs, paroysiazetai ws ypoxwrhsh, pragma to opoio den antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai kati akomh: Thn idia mera eginan dyo parabiaseis kai deka oktw parabaseis. Exete na peite kati kai gi ayto;

REPPAS: Exoyme na poyme ayto poy panta leme: oti h Toyrkia qa prepei na allajei politikh symperifora kai stash. Qa prepei na sebastei tis Dieqneis Synqhkes, na enarmonistei me toys kanones toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy, opws leei -anaferw, parempiptontws, mias kai syzhtoyme to qema- kai to chfisma toy Eyrwkoinoboylioy- Na feretai me tropo, opws oles oi alles xwres ths E. E., poy na deixnei oti epiqymei sxeseis kalhs geitonias me thn Ellada. Den to kanei. Apodokimazoyme ayth th symperifora. Alla qa prepei apo thn allh, na poyme oti to klima poy dhmioyrghqhke metajy Ellados kai Toyrkias thn teleytaia periodo, me aformh alloys logoys, qa prepei na ajiopoihqei, na apokthsei diarkeia kai na xarakthrisei pagiws sto mellon tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis. Gia na to epityxoyme ayto omws, prepei h idia h Toyrkia na kanei ta bhmata poy ths analogoyn. Kai mexri twra den ta kanei. Antiqetws, qa elega, me prwtoboylies paragontwn ths ginetai prospaqeia na yponomeyqei ayto to klima.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws apodokimazete ayth th symperifora poy lete;

REPPAS: Apanthsa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me th xqesinh chfo;

REPPAS: Antilambanomai oti oi epityxies ths ellhnikhs ejwterikhs politikhs kanoyn para polloys na noiwqoyn para poly asxhma. Aytoys oi opoioi den endiaferontai gia ta symferonta ths Elladas, para mono gia to mikrokommatiko paixnidi. As meinoyn s ayton ton mikrokosmo. Mas einai adiaforo to mikrokommatiko paixnidi. Toys kaloyme na anaqewrhsoyn th stash toys se sysxetish pantote me thn prospaqeia poy kanei h xwra mas na diasfalisei ta eqnika symferonta. Pragma poy ginetai me tetoioy eidoys kinhseis, opws einai kai h ekdosh toy chfismatos apo to Eyrwkoinoboylio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ston k. Pagkalo anafereste gia thn ejwterikh politikh poy lete;

REPPAS: Anaferomai sthn politikh poy askeitai sthn prajh apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh. Kai h politikh ayth, thn opoia exoyme apofasisei sto plaisio kybernhtikwn kai kommatikwn organwn, mas kalyptei oloys.

PARIS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, einai pragmati megalo ayto to chfisma toy Eyrwkoinoboylioy; Giati tetoia chfismata yparxoyn para polla sto parelqon kai sthn oysia den exoyn kanena praktiko antikrysma. H erwthsh h opoia exw einai h ejhs: H problech ths kybernhshs mexri to Dekembrh gia th Synodo toy Elsinki, poia einai; Einai oti den qa exoyme piesh apo toys etairoys prokeimenoy telika h Toyrkia na parei to kaqestws ths ypochfias xwras h oti ayto den qa ginei;

REPPAS: Den xreiazetai na syzhtoyme dhmosiws, kanontas ypoqeseis. Emeis exoyme katasthsei safh th qesh mas. Pisteyoyme oti qesh ayth brisketai sto pneyma ths eyrwpaikhs politikhs, gia tis eyrwtoyrkikes sxeseis. Me ayth thn ennoia exoyme kanei oti einai dynaton prokeimenoy na eynohsoyme th qetikh ejelijh twn eyrwtoyrkikwn sxesewn. Gia na yparjei, omws, h qetikh ayth ejelijh qa prepei na symbalei, me kaqoristiko tropo, h Toyrkia. Apomenei se ekeinh, loipon, na prajei ta deonta.

MPOYRDARAS: Poia einai ayta ta "deonta", poio einai to minimoym twn desmeysewn apo pleyras Toyrkias, h yparjh twn opoiwn qa odhghsei se mia qetikh stash ths xwras mas sto Elsinki; Kai na to qesw kai kapws diaforetika: Ypo poies proypoqeseis exoyme thn proqesh na qesoyme "beto" to Dekembrio;

REPPAS: Apanthsa s ayth thn erwthsh, molis proxtes, se synadelfo sas. Qa moy epitrecete, loipon, na sas parapemcw sthn apanthsh poy edwsa. Milhsa gia to plaisio to opoio exei apofasisei h E. E. se Synodoys Koryfhs, opws oi synodoi toy Loyjemboyrgoy kai toy Karntif. Milhsa, epishs, gia ta qemata, poy -opws gia kaqe xwra h periptwsh etsi kai gia th dikh mas xwra, sth dikh mas periptwsh- exoyn idiaitero endiaferon. Idiaitero endiaferon exei afenos h stash ths Toyrkias apenanti sthn poreia ths entajhs ths Kyproy sthn E. E. kai afeteroy h symbolh ths gia th dhmioyrgia omalwn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn.

FILHS: Eipate oti to chfisma ths Eyrwboylhs den synista parotrynsh gia na ginei ypochfia xwra h Toyrkia sthn E. E., alla aplws diatypwnetai h dynatothta ths Toyrkias na ypobalei ypochfiothta. H ennoia ths dynatothtas einai oti diapistwnetai ena pragmatiko gegonos h oti h E. E., to Eyrwkoinoboylio oti politika mporei na ypobalei ypochfiothta h Toyrkia;

REPPAS: Epanalambanw -para to oti ayto to qema to ejantlhsame, giati to syzhthsame arketa meta tis erwthseis toy synadelfoy sas- oti h Toyrkia, me bash ayto to chfisma, epilegetai ws xwra poy exei th dynatothta na ypobalei aithsh gia prosxwrhsh sthn E. E. H aithsh ayth qa kriqei. Yparxei mia diafora anamesa sth dynatothta na ypobalei aithsh h opoia qa kriqei kai qa lhfqei apofash) kai s ayto to opoio kapoioi paroysiazoyn ws dedomeno. Oti egine, dhladh, h Toyrkia ypochfia pros entajh sthn E. E. xwra. To deytero den symbainei.

Moy dinete, omws aformh me thn erwthsh sas na epishmanw epishs oti apo to pneyma kai tis diatypwseis toy chfismatos, fainetai pws to Eyrwkoinoboylio qewrei oti yparxei megalh apostash anamesa sto xarakthrismo h to kaqestws ths ypochfias pros entajh xwras kai thn entajh mias xwras sthn E. E. Allwste, -kai kat epanalhch exoyn diatypwsei analogh qesh koinotikoi ajiwmatoyxoi, h entajh sthn E. E. apotelei mia poly megalh kai dyskolh, ws fainetai, poreia gia thn Toyrkia. Einai allo to ena, allo to allo.

FILHS: Me bash akomh kai ta sxolia ayta ta opoia den symmerizetai to Eyrwkoinoboylio, einai sxolia ths kybernhshs..

REPPAS: Einai qeseis toy Eyrwkoinoboylioy.

FILHS: To ti fainetai kai ti den fainetai einai allo pragma.

REPPAS: To Eyrwkoinoboylio den kalei to Symboylio Ypoyrgwn h thn Epitroph na dexqoyn ws ypochfia pros entajh xwra thn Toyrkia, alla anagnwrizei sthn Toyrkia th dynatothta na ypobalei aithsh, h opoia qa kriqei. Peri aytoy prokeitai, gia na eimaste akribodikaioi. Ayto akribws periexetai sto chfisma gia to opoio syzhtoyme.

FILHS: To Eyrwkoinoboylio den kanei kai reportaz omws, oyte syntassei nomikes ekqeseis.

REPPAS: To Eyrwkoinoboylio ekdidei chfismata.

FILHS: Politiko keimeno ekdidei.

REPPAS: Mporw na sas diabasw pws exei h sygkekrimenh perikoph, gia na mhn yparxei opoiadhpote paranohsh.

FILHS: Oxi, dexomai thn apanthsh sas, oti kanei mia epilogh to Eyrwkoinoboylio, opws eipate sygkekrimena, pws h Toyrkia mporei na einai ypochfia pros entajh xwra.

REPPAS: Oxi, k. Filh.

FILHS: Sthn aithsh ths.

REPPAS: Eipa oti to chfisma anaferei pws h Toyrkia mporei na ypobalei aithsh.

FILHS: Malista. Ayto lew. Einai mia politikh epilogh ayth, symfwnoyme.

REPPAS: H opoia aithsh qa kriqei, bebaiws.

FILHS: To erwthma einai allo: Me bash to gegonos oti ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata sthn Toyrkia, den problepetai na exoyn oysiastikh beltiwsh mexri to Dekembrio poy qa ginei h Synodos sto Elsinki, h Ellada qewrei oti to qema ths parabiashs twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn sth geitonikh xwra apotelei oysiastikh proypoqesh gia na yparjei mia peraiterw proodos stis eyrwtoyrkikes sxeseis;

REPPAS: Asfalws apotelei. Einai pagia qesh mas, einai stoixeio ths eyrwpaikhs politikhs, oson afora tis eyrwtoyrkikes sxeseis. Einai stoixeio to opoio epanalambanetai, gia mia akomh fora, s ayto to chfisma. Einai qesh toy Eyrwkoinoboylioy. Kai anaferetai oti h Toyrkia apexei poly apo to na plhroi ta krithria ths Kopegxaghs. Giati to qema sto opoio anaferqhkate einai metajy twn krithriwn ths Kopegxaghs, opws exei epikrathsei na onomazoyme ola ayta ta stoixeia ta opoia apoteloyn proypoqeseis gia na kriqei mia xwra.

FILHS: Yparxei periptwsh h Kopegxagh na ikanopoihqei apo thn Toyrkia mexri to Dekembrio;

REPPAS: Ayto mporoyme na to syzhtoyme, kanontas ektimhseis kai ypoqeseis. Edw, omws, prepei na to syzhtoyme sth bash pragmatikwn dedomenwn. Kat epanalhch -apantwntas se erwthseis sas- exw pei oti h Toyrkia prepei na analabei tis prwtoboylies. S aythn analogoyn polla bhmata. Idoy, loipon, "stadion dojhs lampron" gia thn Toyrkia na antapokriqei s aytes tis desmeyseis. Einai mia proklhsh gia thn idia, oxi gia mas.

FILHS: Mia paremferhs erwthsh: O Proedros Klinton prokeitai na erqei to Noembrio sthn Aqhna. Kata tis hmeres ths episkechs toy qa epitrapoyn laikes kinhtopoihseis sto kentro ths Aqhnas;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h Dhmokratia sthn Ellada brisketai se poly ychlo epipedo. H dynatothta twn politwn na ekfrazoyn ta fronhmata kai tis qeseis toys einai akwlyth. Asfalws, oi Ellhnes polites exoyn to dikaiwma, sto plaisio toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn, na drasthriopoioyntai etsi wste na proballoyn tis politikes pepoiqhseis toys. Oydeis periorismos yparxei. Qa elega antiqetws, oti ginetai kataxrhsh polles fores, me thn epilogh poy kanoyme emeis oi idioi oi polites na proballoyme tis qeseis mas, katastrathgwntas nomoys h kai to pneyma toy Syntagmatos, fernontas se dyskolh qesh polloys alloys sympolites mas, oi opoioi exoyn mia diaforetikh apoch.

FILHS: An qymamai kala, otan eixe erqei sthn Ellada o k. Mpoys, pro etwn, ws Proedros ths megalhs kai symmaxoy xwras, eixe nekrwsei apo ta metra asfaleias o legomenos "mikros daktylios" sto kentro ths Aqhnas. Ta problhmata eixan paroysiastei ejaitias diadhlwsewn, alla apo ta astynomika metra. Qa yparxoyn ta idia astynomika metra;

REPPAS: Exei meinei, blepw, anejithlh sth mnhmh sas h diakybernhsh ths xwras apo th N. D.

FILHS: Elpizw na yparjei diafora meqayrio...

REPPAS: Nai, k. Filh, arkei na bohqate kai eseis wste ayth h diafora poy sthn prajh emfanizetai se para polles periptwseis, na apotelesei ena monimo kaqestws sth xwra mas. Ayto shmainei oti exete xreos kai eseis na symbalete, wste h proodeytikh diakybernhsh toy topoy na apotelesei th monimh epilogh toy ellhnikoy laoy.

ARGYROS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, prwton, an yparxei kati apo thn prwinh syskech toy Prwqypoyrgoy me thn ka Basw Papandreoy kai ton k. Laliwth; Kai deyteron, poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs gia to fainomeno na kaigetai, xqes, h ellhnikh shmaia sto Olympiako Stadio apo Albanoys, gia deyterh fora mesa se ligoys mhnes.

REPPAS: Apodokimazoyme tetoioy eidoys symperifores. Exoyn epilhfqei ta armodia organa.

Oson afora th shmerinh syskech, o Prwqypoyrgos synergasthke me thn k. Papandreoy kai ton k. Laliwth gia qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn efarmogh twn metrwn poy anakoinwsame gia thn anakoyfish twn seismoplhktwn sympolitwn mas. H syzhthsh ayth egine enocei ths ayrianhs pro hmerhsias diatajhs syzhthshs sth Boylh, se epipedo arxhgwn. Den prokyptei tipote allo.

KARGOYDH: Hqela na epanelqw sto Symfwno Staqerothtas, epeidh to monomeres eyrwpaiko endiaferon gia to Kossyfopedio, gia prwth fora, dieyrynetai mesa apo thn epideijh antistoixoy endiaferontos gia thn Toyrkia. Stis teleytaies dhlwseis, meta th synanthsh Shmith-Srenter, o Prwqypoyrgos eixe pei -kai den eixe doqei, bebaia, dieykrinish- oti o k. Srenter qewrei polytimh kai qa ajiopoihsei thn empeiria ths Elladas, oson afora th gnwsh ths perioxhs, anaforika me to Symfwno ths Staqerothtas. Ayto shmainei oti emeis qa epanaprowqhsoyme th synolikoterh antilhch mas poy symperilambanei kai Serbia kai Skopia;

REPPAS: Thn prowqoyme. Den einai kati apo to opoio exoyme paraithqei. Gnwrizete oti o rolos mas einai prwtagwnistikos se ayth th diadikasia. Gnwrizete oti h Qessalonikh exei epilegei ws kentro, prokeimenoy na drasthriopoihqei o dieqnhs paragontas gia na anaptyjei ayth thn prwtoboylia. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, den xwrei apokleismos. Oles oi xwres ths perioxhs, ola ta krath, oloi oi laoi, exoyn symmetoxh se ayth thn prospaqeia anasygkrothshs.

MIXAHL: Ayth th stigmh, oi sxeseis ths E. E. me thn Toyrkia diepontai apo th symfwnia telwneiakhs syndeshs, opws threitai kai apo tis dyo pleyres, idiws, apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias. H Toyrkia zhta, edw kai xronia, na ginei ypochfia pros entajh xwra. H E. E. exei qesei orismenes proypoqeseis sto Loyjemboyrgo kai sto Karntif. To gegonos oti erxetai twra ena qesmiko ths organo, to Eyrwkoinoboylio, kai kanei ena bhma apo to tipota poy einai twra h Toyrkia apenanti sthn E. E., ths dinei to dikaiwma na ypobalei aithsh, thn epilegei kai ths leei "mporeis na kaneis aithsh", den apotelei kata thn ektimhsh ths kybernhshs ena prwto bhma sthn eyrwpaikh poreia ths Toyrkias; Kai edw, ayto to bhma, den enqarrynetai kai apo th stash twn boyleytwn sas poy chfisan;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, emeis epiqymoyme thn eyrwpaikh prooptikh ths Toyrkias. Epiqymoyme na ginoyn oxi ena, alla polla bhmata, prokeimenoy h eyrwtoyrkikh proseggish na ginei pragmatikothta. Prepei, omws, h Toyrkia na symbalei se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Ejartatai apo thn idia. To eipa, kat` epanalhch.

Oson afora, twra, thn chfo twn Ellhnwn boyleytwn kai th sygkekrimenh anafora sto sxetiko chfisma, qelw na sas pw oti den komizei tipote allo, peran toy aytonohtoy. Sas qymizw oti h prwth symfwnia telwneiakhs syndeshs E. E. -Toyrkias, egine to 1964. Sas lew, epiprosqetws, oti h Toyrkia to 1987 ypebale aithsh entajhs sthn E. E. Exei, dhladh, ypobalei aithsh entajhs kai palaiotera. Kai meta apo dyo xronia hrqe h Epitroph kai eipe, oti den einai dynato na ginei dekth ayth h aithsh, gia logoys toys opoioys anefere. To qema ths ypobolhs aithshs den tiqetai twra gia prwth fora. Kaqenas -epanalambanw- qewrhtikws kai typikws exei ayth th dynatothta. Ara, loipon, den ginetai kamia pronomiakh metaxeirish, toylaxiston, sto periexomeno aytoy toy chfismatos. An qeloyme na eimaste synepeis sthn anagnwsh kai thn ermhneia toy, blepoyme oti den prokyptei otidhpote to opoio na odhgei se ena tetoio symperasma.

MIXAHL: Den eipa egw oti ginetai pronomiakh metaxeirish ths Toyrkias.

REPPAS: Eipate oti ginetai ena bhma me ayto. Sas lew oti to bhma den ginetai ej aytoy toy logoy. Ayto prospaqw na sas ejhghsw.

MIXAHL: Ginetai kai qa sas to katasthsw pio safes me thn erwthsh. H Toyrkia mporei na epanerxetai kaqe mera kai na qelei na ginei melos sthn E. E. Ean, loipon, kapoio organo ths E. E. pei, bebaiws, "mporeis na ypobaleis aithsh" kai to dexomai egw na erxeste kaqe mera kai na lete oti qelete na ginetai melos, asxeta an bazw proypoqeseis kai kapoioi Ellhnes boyleytes lene, bebaiws kai emeis qeloyme ayto to pragma, rwtw: Ektimate eseis oti ayto einai ena bhma; Nai h oxi;

REPPAS: Htan safhs h apanthsh moy. H Toyrkia mporei na ypobalei aithsh, asxetws toy ti leei to Eyrwkoinoboylio. To Eyrwkoinoboylio anagnwrizei to aytonohto. Oti, opws kaqe xwra, etsi kai h Toyrkia, sthn opoia anaferetai to chfisma ayto, exei th dynatothta na ypobalei aithsh, h opoia qa kriqei. Einai poly safh ayta poy eipa.

SOYRMELH: An katalaba kala, ayto to Symfwno Staqerothtas htan kyriws pros to Kossobo kai h Ellada kai orismenes alles xwres hqelan na einai perissotero gia ola ta Balkania. Twra apo oti katalabainw, einai oloi oi laoi, poy shmainei ola ta krath ths perioxhs, ara kai h Toyrkia. Dhladh, mesw toy Symfwnoy Staqerothtas qa mporei h Toyrkia na ektamieysei kondylia gia thn oikonomikh beltiwsh toy plhqysmoy ths; Katalabainw oti etsi paei; Kai epishs, qa hqela na rwthsw, ti egine sto Zwgrafeio Lykeio, sthn Kwnstantinoypolh.

REPPAS: Pragmati, egine mia bombistikh epiqesh s ayto to ellhniko sxoleio. Kapoia islamistikh organwsh anelabe thn eyqynh. To ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn ekdidei sxetikh anakoinwsh. Antilambaneste pws tetoies energeies, oi opoies einai memonwmenes -kai prepei na to poyme ayto- exoyn sygkekrimeno stoxo na yponomeysoyn tis prospaqeies poy ginontai gia beltiwsh twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn. Pisteyoyme oti oi armodies arxes ths geitonikhs xwras, qa prajoyn oti einai dynaton, prokeimenoy na entopistoyn oi ypeyqynoi kai na toys apodoqoyn oi eyqynes. Na timwrhqoyn aysthra. Tetoies energeies prepei na apomonwqoyn.

Oson afora to Symfwno Staqerothtas, epanalambanw thn apanthsh poy edwsa. Gnwrizete oti h syzhthsh einai se ejelijh. To periexomeno ths politikhs gia thn anasygkrothsh sta Balkania, twra, employtizetai. Nomizw oti se ayth thn poreia, h Toyrkia, asfalws, exei th symmetoxh ths. Einai mia xwra ths perioxhs mas.

BITSENTZOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an alhqeyei h plhroforia oti h Toyrkia eixe zhthsei na akyrwqoyn kai o "Tojoths" kai o "Tayros" kai oti, en telei, emeis to arnhqhkame.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti eimaste ekeinoi oi opoioi epiqymoyme meiwsh ths entashs. Ara, mporoyme na antimetwpisoyme me poly qetiko tropo kai th diejagwgh twn askhsewn se mia allh klimaka, poly mikroterh apo ayth sthn opoia ginontai shmera oi askhseis. Alla, h kalyterh apanthsh poy mporoyme na dwsoyme kai sthn Toyrkia kai se oloys ekeinoys oi opoioi mporei na exoyn mia arnhtikh qesh ws pros ta gymnasia ta opoia diejagei h xwras mas, einai ayth: Oson afora thn Kypro, kat` epanalhch exoyme pei oti epiqymoyme thn plhrh apostratikopoihsh toy nhsioy. H Toyrkia qa prepei na antapokriqei se ayth thn protash ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias gia plhrh apostratikopoihsh toy nhsioy. Den qa yparxei, tote, h paramikrh estia gia th dhmioyrgia entashs. Den qa yparxei logos na diejagontai gymnasia. Kai, bebaiws, oi politikes kinhseis, apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias, qa symbaloyn sthn akoma kalyterh ejelijh twn sxesewn. Sthn akoma megalyterh beltiwsh toy klimatos, pragma to opoio antilambaneste pws qa exei alysidwtes qetikes epiptwseis se oloys toys tomeis. Kai sta gymnasia kai se oloys toys tomeis.

BITSENTZOY: Na sas janarwthsw. Alhqeyei oti h Toyrkia zhthse na mh ginoyn oi askhseis;

REPPAS: Den einai etsi ta pragmata. H Toyrkia zhta na yparxei mia meiwsh, oson afora thn klimaka twn stratiwtikwn gymnasiwn. H dikh mas apanthsh einai, oti yparxei ayth h meiwsh, h opoia omws qa prepei na synodeyetai apo thn ek meroys ths Toyrkias apofygh twn parabasewn twn kanonwn enaerias kykloforias kai parabiasewn toy ellhnikoy enaerioy xwroy, prajeis stis opoies probainoyn oi stratiwtikes dynameis ths. Ayta pane mazi. Ara, loipon, oi prwtoboylies -poy mporei na einai kai apotelesmatikes- proerxontai apo thn ellhnikh kai thn kypriakh pleyra. Moy dwsate thn eykairia -prepei na to tonisw ayto- na qesw kai pali to qema ths apostratikopoihshs sthn Kypro. Ena poly gennaio kai shmantiko bhma, to opoio mporei na odhghsei sthn peraiterw apoklimakwsh. H Toyrkia, omws, exei arnhtikh qesh se ayto.

SOYRMELH: Eipate oti yparxei ayth h meiwsh.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizete oti tis askhseis poy kaname emeis, opws o "Parmeniwn", tis sxediasame etsi, gia alloys logoys, wste na ginoyn se mia allh xamhloterh klimaka;

PODHMATA: To kaname monomerws, gia alloys logoys.

REPPAS: Bebaiws, gia alloys logoys. To eipa. Einai, omws, ena deigma. Etsi qewroyme pws diathroyme to ajiomaxo twn Enoplwn Dynamewn, enw taytoxrona, epixeiroyme mia ejoikonomhsh porwn. Idiaiterws, se ayth thn peristash poy briskomaste den exoyme kanena logo na proxwrhsoyme se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Alla, qeloyme na doyme kai analogh antapokrish. Antistrefoyme, loipon, ayth thn prosklhsh -an peri aytoy prokeitai- kai kaloyme thn Toyrkia na symbalei sthn apostratikopoihsh ths Kyproy. Ayth einai h pragmatika rizospastikh allagh poy, an epelqei, qa allajei to topio.

BITSENTZOY: Sas ikanopoiei to pneyma twn apofasewn Karntif kai Loyjemboyrgoy, peri Toyrkias, oti dhladh qa prepei na sebetai ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata kai tis sxeseis kalhs geitonias kai to Dieqnes Dikaio, prokeimenoy na ths apodoqei h ypochfiothta; Dioti, tote, otan diamorfwnotan ayto to klima, h Ellada ebaze "beto" kai elege, oxi na paei sth Xagh. Twra, arkei ayto h qelete kati poly ejeidikeymeno peri to Kypriako h peri th Xagh, mexri to Dekembrio;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se sxetikes erwthseis kai shmera kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres, gi` ayto to qema akribws.

BITSENTZOY: Tiqentai safeis proypoqeseis kai oroi.

REPPAS: Asfalws. Eipa oti yparxei to plaisio twn qesewn, opws exei apofasistei stis Synodoys Koryfhs. Yparxoyn kai ta qemata poy exoyn idiaitero endiaferon gia mas kai anaferqhka se ayta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxei tipote gia to porisma toy FALCON;

REPPAS: Den exei oloklhrwqei h ereyna. Den gnwrizoyme otidhpote afora thn ekdosh toy porismatos kai pio sygkekrimena to periexomeno toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pote qa teleiwsei;

REPPAS: Qa apofasisoyn oi empeirognwmones. Exoyme pei oti to xroniko diasthma, mexri telos Oktwbrioy, einai arketo kata th gnwmh mas gia na oloklhrwqei h ereyna. Eimaste stis arxes toy mhna. Pisteyoyme oti mexri to telos toy, opws eipame apo thn arxh, qa einai etoimh h ereyna kai qa ekdoqei to porisma.

PARIS: Fetos, opws kai tis alles xronies, yparxei problhma me thn epistrofh toy foroy eisodhmatos apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn. Afenos, ypoxrewnete polloys polites na plhrwnoyn to poso efapaj, enw exoyn th dynatothta apo to nomo na to dwsoyn me doseis, afeteroy kaqysteroyntai epistrofes. Rwtw, ti symbainei kaqe xrono, giati den mporei na lyqei ayto to problhma;

REPPAS: Gnwrizw oti to kratos, mesa stis proqesmies poy prepei, qa epistrecei stoys polites poy exoyn pistwtika ekkaqaristika ta xrhmata poy dikaioyntai.

Sas eyxaristw.

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