Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-10-05

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 5 Oktwbrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Srenter, bgainontas apo to Proedriko Megaro ekane mia periergh dhlwsh. Otan ton rwthsan, an meta apo thn episkech sthn Ellada blepei oti anoigei o dromos gia thn E. E. gia thn Toyrkia, eipe: "Nomizw nai". Ti syzhthsan oi kyrioi Shmiths kai Srenter;

REPPAS: Prwton, h apanthsh ''nomizw nai'' den dhlwnei bebaiothta. Deyteron, oi syzhthseis poy eginan metajy twn dyo politikwn, aforoyn to synolo twn qematwn, sto plaisio twn ellhnogermanikwn sxesewn. Asfalws, anaferqhkan se qemata politikhs ths E. E. kai, bebaiws, milhsan gia thn prospaqeia proseggishs E. E. - Toyrkias. Exoyme dhlwsei, kat` epanalhch -o Prwqypoyrgos epanelabe shmera kati analogo- pws epiqymoyme thn eyrwpaikh proseggish, ton eyrwpaiko prosanatolismo ths Toyrkias. H Toyrkia, omws, prepei na antapokriqei se orismenes ypoxrewseis, opws oles oi xwres allwste poy qeloyn na entaxqoyn sthn E. E., prokeimenoy na apokthsei ton titlo ths ypochfias pros entajh xwras. Omws, opws exei diatypwqei apo polles xwres ths E. E. mia analogh eyxh, kalo qa htan h Eyrwph na kalesei thn Toyrkia -to exei kanei kai sto parelqon me alles aformes kai mesw allwn organwtikwn sxhmatwn kai anaferomai sthn eyrwpaikh diaskech, h opoia sto parelqon den eytyxhse na ejelixqei qetika- prokeimenoy na proseggisei thn E. E. Emeis, den exoyme antirrhsh ws pros ayto. Yparxoyn apofaseis ths E. E., yparxoyn krithria poy exoyn teqei se prohgoymenes Synodoys, ayta ola isxyoyn, opws gia kaqe allh xwra etsi kai gia thn Toyrkia. Ejartatai, loipon, apo thn Toyrkia an qa antapokriqei, wste na epityxei to stoxo ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Srenter, dhladh, eyxh ejefrase;

REPPAS: O k. Srenter aneptyje enan problhmatismo, opws polloi alloi hgetes, sto plaisio ths E. E., gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den aneptyje problhmatismo...

REPPAS: Den ekproswpw ton k. Srenter kai parakalw mhn to kanete kai eseis. Eseis mporeite na ermhneysete ayta ta opoia eipe, me to diko sas tropo. O k. Srenter eipe ayto to opoio eipe, pragma poy exoyn pei kai alloi hgetes. Pragma poy epiqymoyme kai emeis. Dhladh, h Toyrkia na antapokriqei se sygkekrimenes ypoxrewseis, na analabei orismenes desmeyseis, wste ekplhrwnontas ta krithria kai tis proypoqeseis poy exoyn teqei na epityxei to stoxo ayto. Prepei, omws, h idia h Toyrkia na bohqhsei ton eayto ths.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Sthn askhsh poy diejagetai sthn Kypro eixame parabiaseis kai parabaseis apo toyrkika aeroskafh. Malista, o k. Etsebit ekane mia dhlwsh opoy eipe oti ''qa qelame na mhn prosgeiwqoyn ta ellhnika aeroskafh sto aerodromio ths Pafoy''. Qa hqela mia apanthsh, an h Ellada qa epimeinei se ayta poy eixe programmatisei h den qa paei pros ta ekei;

REPPAS: Exoyme parabaseis twn kanonwn enaerias kykloforias. Einai synhqeis aytes oi parabaseis, poy ginontai se analoges periptwseis kai den prepei na odhgoyn sthn ejagwgh lanqasmenwn symperasmatwn. Kata ta alla, h askhsh qa diejaxqei opws akribws exei programmatistei kai sxediastei. Den allazei tipota ws pros ayto. Oydeis tritos exei logo gia to pws ta dyo krath qa synergastoyn se ayton ton tomea kai qa feroyn se peras mia askhsh poy exoyn symfwnhsei.

GARGALAKOS: O k. Shmiths, shmera, epiteqhke me idiaiterh sfodrothta kata ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs. Na eikasoyme oti arxizei h proeklogikh periodos;

REPPAS: To PASOK kai h kybernhsh toy apoteloyn thn eggyhsh gia thn politikh kai oikonomikh staqerothta ston topo, gia omales ejelijeis. Epeidh, akribws, briskomaste apenanti stis megales proklhseis, opws einai -sto metaixmio ths allaghs twn aiwnwn- h entajh ths xwras sthn ONE, epiqymoyme h poreia ayth na einai adiataraxth. H Nea Dhmokratia prospaqei, gia mikrokommatikoys logoys, na ekmetalleytei tis diadikasies -opws einai h koryfaia qesmikh diadikasia gia thn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias- prokeimenoy na kerdoskophsei politika. Pisteyoyme oti o logos toy Prwqypoyrgoy aphxei tis diaqeseis toy synoloy toy ellhnikoy laoy. Exei ekfrastei h apoch, h diaqesh ths megalhs pleiochfias toy ellhnikoy laoy gia apofygh prowrwn eklogwn, gia epaneklogh toy shmerinoy Proedroy ths Ellhnikhs Dhmokratias. H xwra exei Proedro Dhmokratias, o opoios askei acoga ta kaqhkonta toy. H xwra exei anagkh apo mia omalh, cyxraimh, systhmatikh kai programmatismenh proseggish sto stoxo poy exei qesei. Ola ayta ta eggyatai h kybernhsh mas kai o Prwqypoyrgos, me th shmerinh omilia toy sthn K. O. toy PASOK, den kanei tipota allo, para na fernei sthn epifaneia ayth thn alhqeia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa exoyme ekloges stis 14 Noembrioy;

REPPAS: Epiqymoyme kai epidiwkoyme oi ekloges na ginoyn kanonika to Septembrio toy 2000. H N. D. h opoia epiqymei na anakocei ayth thn omalh poreia toy topoy pros thn proodo, pros thn eyhmeria twn politwn, kanei ta panta, wste na exoyme prowrh prosfygh stis kalpes.

Emeis qewroyme thn politikh ths N. D. tyxodiwktikh, antiqeth sta eqnika symferonta, yponomeytikh gia thn omalh poreia pros toys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei kai gi` ayto thn katadikazoyme.

Den qa ginoyn ekloges, kaqoson ejartatai apo emas. Alla an ginoyn ekloges, opws ginoyn, opote ginoyn, emeis qa dwsoyme nikhfora th maxh. Exoyme terastia empistosynh sthn krish toy ellhnikoy laoy kai gi` ayto akribws pisteyoyme apolytws oti ta apotelesmata qa einai qetika gia thn kybernhsh mas kai gia to PASOK.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, kai eseis tyxodiwktes hsastan to ' 96 poy kanate prowres ekloges;

REPPAS: Ejhghsame tote toys logoys ths prosfyghs stis ekloges. Gnwrizete poly kala oti to PASOK, mesw dhmokratikwn diadikasiwn, eixe anadeijei ena neo hgeth, o opoios bebaiws, epeidh chfisthke apo to Synedrio toy Kinhmatos ws Proedros toy, zhthse kai thn chfo toy ellhnikoy laoy gia na mporei na kybernhsei ton topo. Htan, pleon, Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras. Den exei kamia analogia h periodos ekeinh me th shmerinh. Poly perissotero, poy shmera h N. D. epixeirei na syndesei thn prowrh prosfygh se ekloges, me thn "ajiopoihsh"- ekmetalleysh qa htan h pio swsth lejh - ths diadikasias ekloghs toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias.

Emeis, exoyme pei kat` epanalhch -kai ayto to thrhsame me qesmikh eylabeia- oti den prepei na syndeetai h eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias -afoy o Proedros ths Dhmokratias ensarkwnei thn enothta toy ellhnikoy laoy, brisketai sthn koryfh ths kratikhs pyramidas- me opoiadhpote mikrokommatika sxedia. H N. D. ayto kanei twra. Enw h qesh poy eixe diatypwsei qewrhtikws, sto parelqon, qa odhgoyse se mia teleiws diaforetikh politikh praktikh, dystyxws, h N. D. prospaqei na xrhsimopoihsei asebws pros to proswpo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias kai pros to qesmo ths Proedrias ths Dhmokratias ayth thn eklogikh diadikasia gia na odhghsei ton topo se ekloges. Pisteyw oti ayto qa to labei ypoch toy o ellhnikos laos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kati allo qa hqela na rwthsw. Qa hqela ena sxolio, pws einai dynato, gia deyterh fora -ena deytero kroysma mporw na to pw- na diwkontai synadelfoi mas gia kataskopeia, epeidh dhmosieysan kapoia ekqesh;

REPPAS: Se poia periptwsh anafereste;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sta "NEA".

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti den exei analhfqei opoiadhpote prwtoboylia dikastikhs diwjhs apo thn kybernhsh. Gnwrizete poly kala, epishs, oti den sxoliazoyme tis energeies twn dikastikwn organwn. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, einai katanohto kai eylogo to endiaferon twn leitoyrgwn twn MME na feroyn sto fws stoixeia, ta opoia exoyn sth diaqesh toys kai pisteyoyn oti prowqoyn thn enhmerwsh toy ellhnikoy laoy, fwtizontas kapoies pleyres mias ypoqeshs, h opoia einai shmantikh kai apasxolei thn koinh gnwmh. Den qa sxoliasw oyte to ena, oyte to allo.

Ayto to opoio sas kalw na kanete -to kanoyme kai emeis allwste- einai na anamenoyme thn krish ths Dikaiosynhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla k. Ypoyrge, ginetai gia deyterh fora. Kathgoroyntai gia kataskopeia. Einai dynaton; Ayta qymizoyn alles epoxes.

REPPAS: Na qesete to erwthma sas ayto sta organa ths Dikaiosynhs kai oxi sthn kybernhsh, h opoia den eixe kamia anameijh. Kamia prwtoboylia den anelabe, oson afora to sygkekrimeno qema poy afora toys dhmosiografoys poy ergazontai sthn efhmerida "TA NEA".

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia alles, omws, periptwseis analambanei prwtoboylia h kybernhsh kai o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs.

REPPAS: Exoyme dwsei apanthseis gia tis periptwseis ekeines. Kai oi apanthseis htan apolytws ikanopoihtikes.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: O sxediasmos ths askhshs perilambanei prosgeiwsh...

REPPAS: Apanthsa se sxetikh erwthsh, prin. Mhn anamenete na kanoyme dhmosia syzhthsh gia to pws sxediazontai h ejelissontai stratiwtika gymnasia. Ayto den nomizw oti einai symfwno me th sobarothta ths ypoqeshs ayths kai bebaiws kai me to eqniko symferon. Ayta den prepei na syzhtoyntai me ayto ton tropo.

MIXAHL: Egw qelw na sas rwthsw to ejhs: H kybernhsh exei desmeyqei, poly egkairws, na probalei thn ypochfiothta toy k. Stefanopoyloy. Kathgoreite thn N. D. kai ta alla kommata ths antipoliteyshs oti qa exoyn thn eyqynh ean ginoyn ekloges to Martio, efoson den yposthrijoyn thn ypochfiothta toy. H desmeysh ayth ths kybernhshs, h protash einai kai gia meta tis ekloges apo opoia qesh kai an breqei;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, qa prepei na antidiasteilw ayth thn protash poy afora to proswpo toy k. Stefanopoyloy apo mia opoiadhpote protash poy mporoyse na kanei ena komma -kai to diko mas- gia ena sympolith mas, prokeimenoy na breqei sto ajiwma toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Den proteiname ena sympolith mas gia to ajiwma toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Eipame oti h xwra exei Proedro. Milhsame gia ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. O k. Stefanopoylos den einai enas ek twn pollwn Ellhnwn politwn poy mporei na einai ypochfioi. Einai o Proedros ths Ellhnikhs Dhmokratias. Exoyme thn empeiria ths askhshs twn kaqhkontwn toy k. Stefanopoyloy sto ajiwma toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias kai gi` ayto akribws, doqentwn twn periorismwn poy yparxoyn, epeidh h periodos ekeinh einai poly krisimh gia shmantika qemata, katalhjame egkairws na poyme oti h xwra exei Proedro Dhmokratias kai kalo einai sto proswpo ayto na symfwnhsoyn ola ta kommata, prokeimenoy na apofygoyme thn prowrh dialysh ths Boylhs, ton epomeno Martio. Ayth einai h qesh mas. Kai h qesh ayth paramenei. Giati, bebaiws, h anagnwrish ths acoghs stashs, kata thn askhsh twn kaqhkontwn toy, toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, den ginetai apo emas eykairiaka, oyte kairoskopika, opws ginetai apo ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs, poy qewrhtikws men miloyn me poly qetika logia gia ton k. Stefanopoylo, sthn prajh omws arnoyntai na ton chfisoyn. Den katanow poia synepeia krybei ayth h politikh stash poy epilegoyn na thrhsoyn. Enw emeis miloyme me qetikoys logoys gia ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, poy antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia ayth kai h stash mas apotelei syneph proektash twn logwn aytwn.

MIXAHL: Einai katanohtes oi epikriseis poy eseis kanete ws kybernhsh gia th stash twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs. Apo th qesh ayth, h kritikh poy toys kanete, toylaxiston, se emena einai antilhpth. Egw rwtw, omws, esas san kybernhsh, san PASOK, to ejhs...

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa.

MIXAHL: Den moy apanthsate.

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti h epilogh sto sygkekrimeno proswpo, den einai eykairiakh epilogh. Ara, loipon, h epilogh gia to sygkekrimeno proswpo, isxyei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Meta tis ekloges.

REPPAS: Den to apanthsa ayto;

MIXAHL: Giati meta tis ekloges qa exoyme ena allo skhniko, alles ypochfiothtes poy allazoyn ola ta dedomena.

REPPAS: Meta tis ekloges qa exoyme kybernhsh PASOK, opote ki an ginoyn oi ekloges aytes. Ara, loipon, to mono neo dedomeno einai oti qa yparxei allh synqesh sthn kybernhsh toy PASOK, poy qa prokycei meta apo aytes tis ekloges.

MIXAHL: Ara, den qa eiste ypoyrgos, dhladh;

REPPAS: Ayto to gnwrizei o Prwqypoyrgos. Emeis, to mono poy gnwrizoyme einai oti Prwqypoyrgos qa einai o k. Kwstas Shmiths.

MHLAKAS: Me sygxwreite poy isws ginomai koyrastikos, qa hqela na epanalabete -to exete pei polles fores, alla as katagrafei allh mia- tis proypoqeseis tis opoies qetei h Ellada, prokeimenoy na apodexqei to xarakthrismo ths Toyrkias ws ypochfias pros entajh xwras sthn E. E.

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, h ypochfiothta ths Toyrkias den mporei na einai eikonikh ypochfiothta, prepei na einai oysiastikh. Ayto shmainei oti qa prepei na analabei sygkekrimenes desmeyseis kai na antapokriqei se sygkekrimenes proypoqeseis h ypoxrewseis. Yparxoyn oi Synodoi Koryfhs toy Loyjemboyrgoy kai toy Karntif poy orioqetoyn ayto to plaisio. Apo ekei kai pera, kaqe xwra ths E. E., se analoges periptwseis, proballei toys logoys poy qewrei oti einai poly krisimoi gia na staqmisei th dikh ths epilogh. Sth dikh mas periptwsh, qewroyme pws idiaitero baros exei h politikh ths Toyrkias, oson afora to kypriako zhthma kai thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E. E. kai bebaiws, to plegma twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn. Einai dyo tomeis stoys opoioys dinoyme idiaitero baros.

Sas eyxaristw.

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