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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 1 Oktwbrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Qa moy epitrecete, kat` arxas, na apotisw foro timhs, ek meroys ths kybernhshs, se dyo episthmones poy exasan th zwh toys kata thn askhsh twn kaqhkontwn toys. O Markos Aqanasiadhs, proistamenos twn TAS Patras, liges hmeres prin, kai shmera, prin apo ligh wra, o Manwlhs Markoylakhs, dieyqynths toy YPEXWDE, epikefalhs twn synergeiwn toy deyterobaqmioy elegxoy, exasan th maxh. Paroysiasan problhmata ygeias, profanws meta apo yperbolikh kopwsh kai agxos, logw toy fortoy ths ergasias toys thn teleytaia periodo. Ergasthkan me synepeia, me afosiwsh mexris aytoqysias. Einai paradeigma leitoyrgwn poy jeperasan tis anqrwpines dynameis poy dieqetan, prokeimenoy na einai synepeis stis ypoxrewseis toys.

Me thn eykairia ths syzhthshs, shmera sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, toy qematos toy prosfatoy katastrofikoy seismoy kai twn synepeiwn toy, plhroforhqhkame ayta ta symbanta. O Prwqypoyrgos ejefrase th lyph toy, thn opoia kai egw dhmosiws ekfrazw ek meroys ths kybernhshs, apeyqynontas stoys oikeioys, syggeneis kai filoys toys ta syllyphthria mas.

Sth shmerinh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, egine mia episkophsh ths katastashs poy exei dhmioyrghqei meta ton prosfato seismo kai ths poreias efarmoghs twn metrwn poy exoyme labei.

Ektimatai oti oi synepeies toy seismoy einai oi pio katastrofikes poy parathrhqhkan edw kai polles dekaeties sthn Ellada. Oi zhmies einai ektetamenes. Oi prospaqeies poy kanoyn oi armodies yphresies, dinontas th maxh gia na exoyme ta kalytera dynata apotelesmata, sto syntomotero dynato xrono, qa stefqoyn me epityxia, efoson synodeytoyn apo th bohqeia twn idiwn twn endiaferomenwn politwn poy mporoyn na ajiopoihsoyn ayta ta metra poy exei ejaggeilei h kybernhsh, mporoyn me cyxraimo tropo, ypeyqyna, syntetagmena na entaxqoyn se ayth th diadikasia apokatastashs twn katoikiwn h ths omalhs zwhs, prokeimenoy etsi, oso ginetai pio grhgora, oloi na jeperasoyme tis synepeies ayths ths krishs.

Yparxoyn dyo epitropes, oi opoies exoyn sygkrothqei kai leitoyrgoyn: H mia gia tis ektaktes anagkes, h Epitroph Ektaktwn Anagkwn, opws onomazetai, kai h allh einai h Epitroph Anasygkrothshs. Aytes oi Epitropes leitoyrgoyn, asxoloyntai kai dinoyn taxytata lyseis sta problhmata ths armodiothtas toys.

Taytoxronws, arxise h leitoyrgia kai enos Kentroy Plhroforhshs, sto opoio mporoyn na apeyqynontai, gia ola ta qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn katastash poy diamorfwqhke meta toys seismoys, oi polites poy exoyn plhgei. Afenos na dinoyn plhrofories, na diatypwnoyn aithmata kai afeteroy na lambanoyn apanthseis kai na briskoyn lyseis sta problhmata poy toys apasxoloyn. Prepei na sas pw oti to Kentro ayto apodeiknyetai poly epityxhs epilogh. Apodeiknyetai para poly xrhsimo giati dinei th dynatothta sto kratos na ''pianei'' to sfygmo ths zwhs twn politwn stoys kataylismoys poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei, enw taytoxronws oi polites, xwris na xanontai se daidalwdeis diadikasies kratikwn yphresiwn, apeyqynontai sto kratos mesw mias yphresias poy exei systaqei kai leitoyrgei gi` ayto to skopo kai mono.

Plhroforiaka sas dinw kapoia stoixeia:

* Exoyn dianemhqei mexri twra 30.000 skhnes. Oi 22.573 mesw twn armodiwn kratikwn yphresiwn kai oi ypoloipes apo alloys koinwnikoys kai idiwtikoys foreis.

* Gyrw stis 5.000 skhnes einai egkatesthmenes se kataylismoys me organwmenh ypodomh. Oi ypoloipes skhnes einai katanemhmenes se mikroteroys kataylismoys twn 40 h 50 skhnwn h se kataylismoys me poly mikrotero ariqmo skhnwn.

* Prepei na sas pw oti tis epomenes hmeres qa ginei apografh me th synergasia ths Eqnikhs Statistikhs Yphresias, me th bohqeia 1.500 politwn-apografewn kai me thn epopteia 150 episthmonwn, eidikwn me to antikeimeno ayto. Qa syllejoyme stoixeia, prokeimenoy na gnwrizoyme ton akribh ariqmo twn skhnwn poy exoyn xrhsimopoihqei apo aytes poy dianemhqhkan kai ton ariqmo twn politwn poy diabioyn se aytoys toys kataylismoys.

* Epishs, me syndyasmenes draseis, mesw twn armodiwn yphresiwn, qa exoyme thn telikh kai safh eikona gia ton ariqmo twn katoikiwn poy shmera den xrhsimopoioyntai se ayth thn eyryterh perioxh, opoy ekdhlwqhke to fainomeno toy seismoy kai qa anazhthsoyme tropoys ajiopoihshs aytwn twn katoikiwn.

* Pantote, metajy twn metrwn poy mas apasxoloyn, einai kai ekeina poy aforoyn th xrhsimopoihsh jenodoxeiakwn monadwn, allwn egkatastasewn h kai ploiwn, gia th filojenia politwn poy exoyn problhmata steghs. Bebaiws, ejetazoyme kai to endexomeno xrhsimopoihshs twn paraqeristikwn kentrwn, paraqeristikwn katoikiwn kai kataskhnwsewn. Epanalambanoyme oti stoxos mas einai h metegkatastash twn politwn poy diabioyn se skhnes, se allh hmimonimh h kai monimh katoikia. To fainomeno ayto pisteyoyme oti qa ejaleifqei, opws akribws exoyme anakoinwsei. Se ayth thn kateyqynsh pisteyoyme oti qa eimaste synepeis sto na exoyme egkatasthsei 4.000 oikiskoys, mexri tis 15 Noembrioy, se xwroys poy diaqetoyn thn aparaithth ypodomh, h opoia dhmioyrgeitai, prokeimenoy me syndesh diktywn gia oles tis drasthriothtes ths kaqhmerinhs zwhs -energeia, ydreysh, apoxeteysh, thlepikoinwnia- na ejasfalisoyme omales synqhkes zwhs.

* Stoys TAS leitoyrgoyn 120 monimoi texnikoi, syn 400 poy apasxoloyntai ayth thn periodo. Pisteyw oti o ariqmos aytos einai ikanopoihtikos kai eparkei gia na antimetwpistoyn ta sxetika problhmata.

* Exoyn dienerghqei 185.000 aytocies. Apo tis aytocies aytes fainetai oti se ena pososto 7% ta spitia exoyn xarakthristei ws ''kokkina'', se ena pososto 33% ws ''kitrina'' kai se ena pososto 60% ws ''prasina''. Pisteyoyme oti tis epomenes hmeres, se peripoy mia ebdomada, qa exei oloklhrwqei kai o deyterobaqmios elegxos gia tis katoikies poy exoyn xarakthristei me to kokkino shma. O deyterobaqmios elegxos shmeiwnw edw oti einai poly pio epiponos, poly pio oysiastikos. Ena trimeles synergeio mhxanikwn mporei mesa se mia hmera na kanei 4 h 5 elegxoys. Ayto mporei na sas dwsei th dynatothta na bgalete symperasma gia to ryqmo me ton opoio proxwra o elegxos aytos. Pisteyoyme oti se 35 ews 40 hmeres o elegxos qa exei oloklhrwqei kai gia tis katoikies poy exoyn xarakthristei me to kitrino shma.

* Ypenqymizw oti h katedafish twn ktiriwn, twn katoikiwn poy exoyn xarakthristei me to kokkino xrwma kai h metafora twn mpazwn qa ginei adapanws gia toys polites stoys opoioys anhkei ayth h oikodomh.

* Ayto to opoio qelw na tonisw me emfash, gia mia akomh fora, einai h parotrynsh mas pros toys polites poy exoyn plhgei, na ajiopoihsoyn ta metra ths epidothshs enoikioy, kaqws kai toy epidomatos ths sygkatoikhshs, prokeimenoy na ejasfalisoyn katallhlh stegh, se syntomo xroniko diasthma, xwris na xreiastei na parameinoyn -oyte wra an einai dynaton- se kapoion oikisko, se ena troxospito h se xwro poy den apotelei plhrh kai me monimo xarakthra katoikia. Ektimoyme oti to metro ayto poy exoyme ejaggeilei -kai pisteyoyme oti qa prepei na to ajiopoihsoyn oi polites- mporei na dwsei thn kalyterh lysh sto problhma stegashs poy exei prokycei.

* Milhsa prin gia toys 4.000 oikiskoys, toys opoioys pisteyoyme oti qa exoyme egkatasthsei mexri ta mesa Noembrioy. Prepei na pw oti h prospaqeia poy kanoyme einai na ejasfalisoyme kai alloys oikiskoys. Exoyme ejantlhsei tis dynatothtes ths ellhnikhs paragwghs, oson afora ayto to proion. Exoyme apeyqynqei sto ejwteriko, giati qewroyme oti einai aparaithto gia th xwra mas -afoy h politikh poy efarmozetai exei makroproqesmo orizonta- na exoyme apoqhkeysei, gia kaqe endexomeno, ena arketa megalo ariqmo oikiskwn, poy qa toys exoyme sth diaqesh mas amesws, an ayto xreiastei, poy eyxomaste na mh xreiastei. Ara, o ariqmos twn oikiskwn poy qa egkatastaqoyn sth sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia einai poly sygkekrimenos. Eseis qa prepei na exete ypoch sas oti o ariqmos aytos den einai o telikos, o oristikos, oson afora toys oikiskoys, ta troxospita, rymoylkoymena h aytokinoymena h alloy eidoys paromoia egkatastash poy epidiwkoyme na apokthsoyme. Einai poly megalyteros o ariqmos aytwn twn proiontwn.

Qa moy epitrecete na sas dwsw kapoia stoixeia: Exoyn ekdoqei, mexri twra, 150 prwtokolla katedafishs. Genikws yparxei mia ikanopoihtikh synergasia twn kentrikwn yphresiwn me tis topikes arxes gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn. To synoliko poso gia to epidoma twn 200.000 ayth thn wra exei anelqei, peripoy sta 20 dis draxmes, poy shmainei oti perissoteroi apo 95.000 polites exoyn ginei apodektes twn sxetikwn epitagwn. O ariqmos aytos twn politwn einai arketa ychloteros apo ton ariqmo twn politwn ta spitia twn opoiwn exoyn xarakthristei etsi wste na dikaioyntai ayto to epidoma.

Toso gia to sygkekrimeno epidoma, oson kai gia thn ajiopoihsh twn allwn metrwn poy exoyme anakoinwsei, aytonohto einai oti qa dienergeitai elegxos, prokeimenoy na diapistwnetai an telikws aytoi poy ajiopoioyn kapoia metra, einai pragmatika dikaioyxoi h me diaforoys tropoys oxi orqoys kai nomimoys, exoyn probei se kapoies energeies wste na apolaysoyn kapoia apo ta apotelesmata aytwn twn metrwn.

Oson afora, twra, ta dhmosia ktiria, qa perioristw na anaferqw sta sxoleia. Sto Nomo Attikhs apo ta 2.465 sxolika ktiria -milw gia sxolika ktiria, den milw gia sxolikes monades- katallhla exoyn kriqei kai xrhsimopoioyntai ta 2.036, enw 427 xreiazontai episkeyes kai dyo sxoleia prepei na katedafistoyn. Ayto shmainei oti antimetwpizoyme ena problhma stegashs gia thn ekpaideysh 35-40.000 maqhtwn. Proswrinws exei apofasistei h systegash maqhtwn se sxolika ktiria gia na antimetwpistoyn oi anagkes ayths ths periodoy. Pisteyoyme oti apo ta 427 ktiria sta opoia anaferqhka, ta 175 qa episkeyastoyn kai qa leitoyrghsoyn mesa sto Noembrio. Apo ta ypoloipa, kapoia qa parameinoyn kleista gia megalyterh periodo, giati xrhzoyn megalyterwn episkeywn kai kapoia den qa leitoyrghsoyn kaqoloy, sth diarkeia ths trexoysas sxolikhs periodoy. Sygkekrimena, ypologizetai oti 125 sxolika ktiria qa parameinoyn kleista mexri telos toy xronoy kai qa arxisoyn na leitoyrgoyn toys prwtoys mhnes toy epomenoy etoys, enw 45 qa parameinoyn kleista gia olh th sxolikh xronia.

Gia thn antimetwpish twn anagkwn ston tomea ayto exoyn paraggelqei prokataskeyasmena ktiria poy qa xrhsimopoihqoyn ws kai aiqoyses didaskalias. Oi sxetikes paraggelies, ejantloyn tis dynatothtes ths egxwrias paragwghs kai gi ayto exoyme apeyqynqei kai sto ejwteriko.

Oson afora tis epixeirhseis yparxoyn metra -kai den qa anaferqw twra stis leptomereies- poy dinoyn th dynatothta metegkatastashs, efoson den einai dynaton na epanaleitoyrghsoyn epeita apo episkeyes. Ta metra ta opoia sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh exoyme apofasisei, aforoyn toys idiokthtes twn egkatastasewn h toys misqwtes twn egkatastasewn, epixeirhmaties dhladh.

Mias kai miloyme gia epixeirhseis kai gia xwroys ergasias- na sas anaferw oti oi epiqewrhseis ergasias, meta apo aithmata twn ergazomenwn kai twn epixeirhmatiwn, exoyn dienerghsei mexri twra elegxoys se 209 ktiria. Gia 72 ej aytwn exoyn ekdoqei deltia apomakrynshs twn ergazomenwn, den prepei na xrhsimopoihqoyn.

Oson afora tis blabes mnhmeiwn, prepei na poyme oti, throymenwn twn analogiwn, einai sxetika periorismenes. Antejan ta klasika mnhmeia. Wstoso, blabes paroysiasthkan se byzantina kai metabyzantina ktiria. Megalyteres zhmies paroysiazontai sth Monh Dafnioy.

Qa kleisw legontas pws, mexri twra, exoyme antimetwpisei me epityxia ta qemata diabiwshs stoys organwmenoys kataylismoys, me thn ennoia oti den exoyn paroysiastei problhmata dhmosias ygeias. Ayth einai mia diastash h opoia einai poly shmantikh. H ergasia h opoia ginetai apo th dikh mas pleyra twra kai qa ypobohqhqei shmantika apo thn oloklhrwsh ths apografhs h opoia prokeitai na dienerghqei, qa mas dwsei kai th dynatothta na katalhjoyme se sygkekrimeno sxedio, oson afora tis proteraiothtes gia th metegkatastash, metafora twn politwn poy shmera einai stis skhnes, se katoikies, paraqeristika kentra h alles monades. Prohgoyntai, bebaiws, ta atoma me eidikes anagkes, oi sympolites mas poy einai asqeneis, oi egkyes gynaikes, oi polyteknes oikogeneies.

To anaferw ayto, gia na antilhfqeite kai eseis oti, toso kata th shmerinh synedriash, opoy egine mia ektetamenh syzhthsh gia oles tis pleyres toy qematos, oso kai se kaqhmerinh bash, oi armodioi paragontes asxoloyntai, epejergazontai sxedia, efarmozoyn politikes prokeimenoy na eimaste etoimoi kai synepeis gia na oloklhrwsoyme to ergo poy exoyme analabei kai na antimetwpisoyme ola ta endexomena. Pisteyoyme oti to ergo ayto qa to feroyme se peras me epityxia.

Den egine opoiadhpote allh syzhthsh kata th shmerinh synedriash. To deytero qema ths shmerinhs synedriashs (poy aforoyse zhthmata toy ypoyrgeioy Politismoy) kai den syzhthqhke, qa syzhthqei se ektakth synedriash, h opoia qa ginei thn erxomenh Trith stis 7 to apogeyma sto Megaro Majimoy.

Dieykrinizw oti oyte o Prwqypoyrgos, oyte sth synexeia kapoios allos anaferqhke se alla qemata.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Apasxolhse to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio to qema ths apwleias fakelwn sxetika me ta ktiria poy katereysan;

REPPAS: Prwta ap ola ekane mia enhmerwsh gi ayto to qema o k. Laliwths. Eipe oti den einai akribws apwleia fakelwn ayto poy symbainei kai oti exoyn zhthqei oi fakeloi 30 ktiriwn. Ta perissotera apo ayta ta ktiria exoyn oikodomhqei th dekaetia toy 70 kai kapoia, dyo me tria, kata to 1990, stis arxes ayths ths dekaetias. Fakeloi me stoixeia aytwn twn ktiriwn yparxoyn se diafores yphresies. Mia sthn opoia prosefygan oi armodioi gia na anazhthsoyn toys fakeloys aytoys einai h Poleodomikh Yphresia twn Nomarxiwn. Logw pareleyshs poly xronoy kai axrhsias den diakinhqhkan aytoi oi fakeloi. Eipe xarakthristika o k. Laliwths oti peripoy exoyn moyxliasei sta syrtaria, stis apoqhkes opoy fylassontan. Apo toys fakeloys aytoys orismenoi einai plhreis, kapoioi den exoyn ola ta stoixeia kai prepei na ereynhqei, an sth sygkekrimenh yphresia opoy anazhthqhkan oi fakeloi, ta stoixeia ayta den yparxoyn h yphrxan kai afaireqhkan. Gia poly liges periptwseis, poy molis jepernoyn ta daktyla toy enos xerioy, den exoyn breqei se ayth th sygkekrimenh yphresia oi fakeloi antistoixwn ktiriwn. Alla ta stoixeia kai gi ayta ta ktiria qa anazhthqoyn, dia ths meqodoy ths diastayrwshs, se alles yphresies, prokeimenoy na exoyme mia plhrh eikona. Ayto qa ginei. Ara, loipon, to ergo ths anazhthshs, ejeyreshs kai ths meleths twn fakelwn gia ta sygkekrimena ktiria qa oloklhrwqei. Paroysiazontai ayta ta problhmata. Pisteyoyme oti logw akribws twn dynatothtwn poy yparxoyn, epeidh stoixeia kai fakeloi gia ta ktiria ayta yparxoyn se diafores yphresies, qa katastei dynaton telikws na exoyme to fakelo.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Poios exei thn eyqynh peratwshs aytoy toy ergoy;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti oi eisaggelikes arxes exoyn analabei sxetiko elegxo kai apeyqynontai stis kratikes yphresies. Oles oi yphresies toy kratoys poy exoyn sxetikh armodiothta h synarmodiothta, qa bohqhsoyn tis eisaggelikes arxes na syllejoyn ayto to yliko.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, epishs, an exei teqei ypoch sas h plhroforia, oti oi fakeloi aytoi -polloi apo toys opoioys anazhtoyntai- metaferqhkan, logw twn plhmmyrwn, se alloys xwroys. An exei pesei sthn antilhch sas kati tetoio.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw kai den exei shmasia na syzhtoyme leptomereies. Ayto poy exei shmasia einai toyto: Stoixeia gia ta ktiria, yparxoyn se fakeloys poy fylassontai se synarmodies yphresies. Me th meqodo ths diastayrwshs -epanalambanw- qa exoyme th dynatothta na syllejoyme to yliko ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Enenhnta pente xiliades exoyn parei to epidoma. Poses aithseis yparxoyn akoma;

REPPAS: Yperkalyptoyn ton ariqmo ekeinwn poy dikaioyntai na laboyn to epidoma ayto. Pantws, osoi exoyn dikaiwma na to paroyn kai to exoyn zhthsei, to exoyn parei h prokeitai na to paroyn. Enenhnta pente xiliades einai o ariqmos aytwn poy exoyn labei h prokeitai na to laboyn tis epomenes hmeres. Exei egkriqei, dhladh, to poso gia 95.000 sympolites mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To yperkalyptoyn; Ti ennoeite; Dhladh, phran kapoioi xwris aithsh;

REPPAS: Oxi, alla to phran kapoioi, oi opoioi den eixan tis proypoqeseis poy eixan oristei, ej arxhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos, sth shmerinh synedriash ths K. E., edeije oti einai eyxaristhmenos apo thn poreia twn metrwn gia toys seismoys; Edeije eyxaristhmenos apo toys ypoyrgoys toy;

REPPAS: Me eilikrineia sas lew, oti h teleytaia entypwsh htan ayth, h opoia dhmioyrghqhke me to aggelma toy qanatoy toy Manwlh Markoylakh. Stenaxwrhqhkame. Alla bebaiws, kata th syzhthsh ektimhqhke oti h prospaqeia poy kanoyme einai gigantiaia. Ta apotelesmata einai ikanopoihtika, doqentos oti oi zhmies poy exoyn proklhqei apo ena ektakto gegonos, einai oi megalyteres, edw kai para polla xronia. O seismos aytos htan idiaitera katastrofikos. Kaqws pernoyn oi hmeres kai feygei h prwth entypwsh kai oi armodies yphresies ektimoyn to megeqos ths katastrofhs, odhgoymaste sto symperasma oti einai toso ektetamenes oi zhmies kai toso megalh h prospaqeia poy prepei na kanoyme gia na anakoyfisoyme toys sympolites mas poy exoyn plhgei, wste na qewroyme aparaithth kai th dikh toys symbolh, gia na feroyme se peras to ergo mas me epityxia. Ayto einai h elaxisth ypoxrewsh ths Politeias apenanti stoys polites poy exoyn plhgei. Alla, einai basikh ypoxrewsh kai twn politwn, me cyxraimia kai ypeyqyno tropo na symbaloyn, wste na lyqoyn me ton kalytero tropo ta problhmata poy toys apasxoloyn kai einai kai dika mas problhmata. Einai problhmata ths Politeias. Einai problhmata poy endiaferoyn thn kybernhsh. Yparxei ayth h ikanopoihsh. Niwqoyme oti exoyme antapokriqei stis ypoxrewseis mas, me tropo ikanopoihtiko.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw rwthsa gia ton Prwqypoyrgo, an shmera ejefrase dysforia gia kapoia qemata.

REPPAS: Kamia dysforia den ejefrase. O Prwqypoyrgos apo th fysh toy ekfrazei pantote problhmatismoys gia to poso kalytera mporei na ginei kati, akomh ki an exoyme se ayto to sygkekrimeno qema, ena epityxes apotelesma. Gia ton Prwqypoyrgo, pantote, yparxei to kalytero.

TROYPIWTHS: Yparxei apo to Oikonomiko Epiteleio ths kybernhshs kamia ektimhsh kostoys;

REPPAS: Peran twn ektimhsewn poy exoyn ginei, den yparxei nea proseggish. Exoyn anakoinwqei ayta, edw kai kairo. Den egine sxetikh syzhthsh, shmera. O k. Papantwnioy apoysiazei. Aplws, o k. Paxtas brisketai se epikoinwnia me toys armodioys Koinotikoys paragontes, gia qemata poy aforoyn thn enisxysh, thn oikonomikh yposthrijh ths prospaqeias mas gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn apo koinotika programmata.

EYSTAQIOY: Mia dieykrinish. Oi aiqoyses sxolikwn ktiriwn poy anaferate einai gia dhmosia sxoleia h idiwtika;

REPPAS: Afora to synolo twn sxolikwn ktiriwn. Mporw, an qelete, na sas dwsw stoixeia gia to poia einai dhmosia kai poia einai idiokthsias idiwtwn.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Hqela na rwthsw, an egine kaqoloy syzhthsh gia to qema poy exei dhmioyrghqei me thn omada BAN kai ton k. Barwtso, o opoios den metexei pia sthn Epitroph. Epishs, an sas eipe o Prwqypoyrgos na mh fygei kanenas to Sabbatokyriako.

REPPAS: Den egine opoiadhpote tetoia syzhthsh. Asfalws, polloi epishmanan thn anhsyxia poy exei proklhqei sto koino apo tis syzhthseis poy ginontai. Eipwqhke apo oloys oti oi polites prepei na exoyn mia ypeyqynh stash kai na parameinoyn cyxraimoi. Se teleytaia analysh gnwrizete oti "yparxei o fobos toy termatofylaka prin apo to penalti". Mh biwnoyme, omws, ena fobo, akomh kai otan den yparxei penalti. Ayto einai yperboliko. H stash olwn mas qa deijei an eimaste -kai me ayto ton tropo prepei na apodeixqei- mia koinwnia wrimwn politwn, ypeyqynwn anqrwpwn poy gnwrizoyn poies einai oi ypoxrewseis toys kai poia h swsth antidrash se kaqe peristash. Yparxoyn oi episthmones poy exoyn dwsei egkyrh kai tekmhriwmenh plhroforhsh. Parakaloyme, afoy yparxoyn aytoi poy exoyn milhsei, na akoysoyme to diko toys logo. Mh metablhqei kanenas apo emas se ena mikro seismologo! Poly perissotero otan oydeis, mexri twra -kai ws fainetai den yparxei prasino fws stis ereynes poy ginontai pagkosmiws- mporei na problecei enan eperxomeno seismo.

ELENOPOYLOS: Kapoios synadelfos sas h o Prwqypoyrgos mhpws skefqhke shmera na pei giati den ginontai pisteytoi oi armodioi, alla kyriarxoyn oi fhmes;

REPPAS: Den kaname koinwniologikh analysh tetoiwn fainomenwn. Ayto to opoio kaname einai na dwsoyme se oloys toys tonoys kai me kaqe tropo emfash sthn ypoxrewsh poy exoyme na oloklhrwsoyme to ergo mas me staqerh grammh pleyshs. Ayto kaname. Apo ekei kai pera, kaqenas exei thn eyqynh toy. Yparxoyn organa ths Politeias ta opoia asxoloyntai me ta qemata deontologias. Epeidh, akribws, h erwthsh sas ypokryptei mia aixmh gia qemata deontologias, yparxoyn organa ths Politeias ta opoia epilambanontai aytwn twn qematwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poios kai giati apofasise thn apomakrynsh toy Barwtsoy;

REPPAS: Oi idioi oi episthmones, oi opoioi sygkrotoyn thn Epitroph, exoyn gnwmh. Gnwrizw oti oi idioi exoyn ekfrasei entonh dysareskeia, giati o sygkekrimenos episthmonas, paroti melos ths Epitrophs, den symmeteixe stis ergasies ths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Estelne antiproswpo.

REPPAS: Mporei, loipon, kapoios di` antiproswpoy na leitoyrgei! Etsi pisteyete eseis. An akoloyqhsoyme ayth th meqodo ths di` antiproswpwn askhsh twn kaqhkontwn mas, antilambaneste poy qa odhghqoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayth h Epitroph apo poion eixe systaqei;

REPPAS: Ayth h Epitroph exei systaqei, edw kai peripoy pente xronia, apo to YPEXWDE, meta apo syzhthseis me thn episthmonikh koinothta, thn koinothta twn kaqhghtwn, episthmonwn-seismologwn, poy exoyn kai ton kaqoristiko logo gia ta toy oikoy toys. Kai bebaiws, aytoi mas plhroforoyn gi` ayto to antikeimeno, poy eidika gia th xwra mas exei idiaiterh shmasia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Opote o k. Laliwths ton ediwje;

REPPAS: Ayto einai to symperasma poy bgazete eseis. Gnwrizete poly kala poia einai h qesh twn seismologwn, twn episthmonwn poy symmetexoyn se ayto to Organo. O k. Laliwths oyte epilegei, oyte apokleiei. O k. Laliwths syzhta me thn episthmonikh koinothta, pairnei thn apoch ths kai kanei ayto poy prepei na kanei enas ypeyqynos ypoyrgos.

EYSTAQIOY: Qa yparjei elegxos gia ta kondylia poy exoyn doqei, kata kairoys, ston k. Barwtso kai thn omada BAN;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei se ayto. Ta ereynhtika programmata einai kanonas kai arxh, pantote na xrhmatodotoyntai, prokeimenoy na odhghqoyme se apotelesma. Alla, bebaiws, pantote ektimatai h poreia proodoy kaqe ereynhtikoy programmatos. To idio ginetai kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

EYSTAQIOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw, prwton, an yparxei kapoias morfhs krish stis sxeseis Elladas kai HPA na breqei to DNA sto aima enos apotypwmatos tromokrath kai deyteron, qa hqela ena sxolio gia ta "gkalop" poy exoyn dei h blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas.

REPPAS: Oson afora to prwto qema, exw apanthsei se seira erwthsewn. Den exei zhthqei tetoio yliko. Epishs, den exei prokycei opoiadhpote krish kai malista ej aytoy toy logoy, afoy o logos aytos oydepote yphrje. Oydepote eteqh tetoio qema.

Oson afora tis dhmoskophseis, qa epanalabw to aytonohto: Den eimaste adiaforoi gia ta apotelesmata twn dhmoskophsewn, alla h ikanopoihsh poy prokyptei apo tis dhmoskophseis, den mas aixmalwtizei, den mas saghneyei. Ayto to opoio protimoyme, einai h ikanopoihsh poy prokyptei apo ena qetiko gia mas eklogiko apotelesma. Gi` ayto ergazomaste, gia na ejasfalisoyme thn chfo toy ellhnikoy laoy se ayth thn idia thn kalph, thn wra twn eklogwn.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an o Prwqypoyrgos programmatizei alles episkeceis stis seismoplhktes perioxes;

REPPAS: Den exei programmatisei kapoia tetoia episkech, ayth thn wra poy miloyme. Alla prepei na qewreite dedomeno oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa synexisei na exei epafh kai di` aytoy toy tropoy me toys polites poy exoyn plhgei apo ton prosfato seismo.

Ayto poy exei programmatistei einai h synergasia poy qa exei ayrio me to Filando Prwqypoyrgo k. Liponen, o opoios qa episkefqei thn Ellada. To eipa kai to epanalambanw, giati einai mia shmantikh synanthsh.

Th Deytera, epishs, episkeptetai thn Ellada o Germanos Kagkelarios k. Srenter.

Sas eyxaristw. Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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