Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-09-30

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 30 Septembrioy 1999

Geia sas.

Briskomaste shmera mazi olws ektaktws, epeidh o Ypoyrgos k. Reppas brisketai sth Boylh, opoy syzhteitai to nomosxedio gia syntajiodotika qemata toy proswpikoy ths ERT.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: To qema poy qelw na sas qesw afora to synolo twn seismoplhktwn. Ti qa ginei telika me to 200ari, kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh an den kanw laqos h sxetikh egkyklios elhge shmera. O k. Reppas mas eipe xqes oti qa to paroyn osoi to dikaioyntai. Me poio tropo; Qa yparxei nea ryqmish, nea apofash, nea egkyklios;

AQANASAKHS: Epeidh blepw, shmera, na yparxei tetoio qema ston Typo, gnwrizete na yparxoyn kapoioi poy dikaioyntai ayto to epidoma ektakths anagkhs kai den to exoyn parei h den qa to paroyn;

Na sas enhmerwsw, loipon, kat` arxas, oti ews xqes oi epitages poy eixan ekdoqei gi` ayto to epidoma htan 95.023 kai eixan hdh eispraxqei oi 80.000. H hmeromhnia poy anakoinwqhke den afora to dikaiwma poy exoyn kapoioi na paroyn ayto to epidoma twn 200.000 draxmwn.

Aplws, prepei na yparxei organwsh olhs ayths ths diadikasias, gia na mhn yparxei spatalh yphresiakwn dynamewn kai na paramenoyn sygkrothmena synergeia me enan ariqmo ypallhlwn. Tis teleytaies hmeres o ryqmos twn aithsewn htan 5 ews 10 thn hmera.

Sas qymizw oti kai oi aithseis gia toys prwtobaqmioys elegxoys eixan mia hmeromhnia lhjhs. Epishs, sas qymizw oti exoyn oloklhrwqei hdh panw apo 180.000 aytocies se epipedo prwtobaqmiwn elegxwn. Peripoy 60.000 ktiria xarakthristhkan ''kitrina'' kai 15.000 ''kokkina''. An deite oloys aytoys toys ariqmoys mazi, qa diapistwsete oti den yparxei kanena tetoio problhma. Kai, pantws, epanalambanw oti an yparxei kapoios dikaioyxos -opws mporei na prokycei meta to deyterobaqmio elegxo, epeidh yparxei to dikaiwma enstashs stoys Tomeis poy exoyn sygkrothqei gia thn apokatastash twn seismoplhktwn- qa labei ayto to epidoma twn 200.000 draxmwn. Shmeiwnw, epishs, oti ayto to epidoma doqhke gia thn antimetwpish twn prwtwn ektaktwn anagkwn -kai apo thn hmera toy katastrofikoy seismoy exoyn perasei polles hmeres- kai oloi eixan th dynatothta na ypobaloyn th sxetikh aithsh.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh h empeiria sas se qemata dioikhshs dhmosiwn yphresiwn den einai amelhtea -kai ayto den mporei na amfisbhthqei- jerete poly kala oti an den yparxei nomikh katoxyrwsh me apofash Ypoyrgoy h otidhpote, o armodios ypallhlos den mpainei ws ypologos.

AQANASAKHS: Antimetwpizontai ayta ta qemata kai exoyme deijei, oson afora thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn poy proekycan apo ayth th megalh katastrofh, oti opoy xreiazetai na lambanontai metra poy dieykolynoyn tis diadikasies ayto exei ginei. Pisteyw, omws, oti den yparxei pragmatiko problhma kai parakalw na meinoyme se ayto.

MIXAHL: Ta daneia gia thn apokatastash pote qa arxisete na ta dinete;

AQANASAKHS: To qema ayto einai synarthmeno me toys deyterobaqmioys elegxoys. Den mporw na prosdiorisw akribws to xrono. Mporw, omws, na sas pw poy briskontai oi deyterobaqmioi elegxoi.

Me bash ta stoixeia poy anakoinwqhkan xqes, ews proxqes eixan oloklhrwqei 4.288 deyterobaqmioi elegxoi, apo toys opoioys prokyptei oti 1.455 ktiria exoyn xarakthristei epikindyna-katedafistea kai 2.833 episkeyasima. H analogia ayth anaferetai se ktiria poy eixan xarakthristei me thn prwth aytocia ''kokkina''. Kai ayto to lew dioti proteraiothta dinetai sta ''kokkina''.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Oi elegxoi aytoi aforoyn thn eyryterh perioxh kai oxi mono thn perioxh...

AQANASAKHS: Oi elegxoi aytoi exoyn oloklhrwqei se 16 Dhmoys. Se ayth th diadikasia phran meros 850 mhxanikoi, me prooptikh na fqasoyn toys 1.200 tis epomenes hmeres. Einai mia diadikasia poy apaitei megalh prosoxh -giati yparxei kindynos kai gia toys idioys toys mhxanikoys poy pragmatopoioyn toys elegxoys- kai xarakthrizetai apo megalh eyqynh poy analambanoyn oi mhxanikoi, epeidh h ypografh toys sth bebaiwsh poy dinoyn einai poly krisimh. Enw o prwtobaqmios elegxos mporei na ginei me poly grhgoroteroys ryqmoys kai ayto egine, me apotelesma na exoyme ayton ton entypwsiako ariqmo elegxwn, o deyterobaqmios elegxos xreiazetai poly megalh prosoxh, qelei fwtografhseis, sygkekrimena texnika xarakthristika k. t. l.,

FILHS: Epeidh grafetai kai metadidetai oti yparxei mia problech, oti to Sabbatokyriako mporei na ginei kapoios seismos...

AQANASAKHS: Egw den qewrhsa pote oti h seismologia einai synwnymh ths... aerologias.

FILHS: Den einai h apoch moy gia to qema. Ayto einai qema to opoio krinei -fantazomai- h episthmonikh koinothta. Zhtw th gnwmh sas epi politikoy qematos: Ean, dhladh, h Kybernhsh protiqetai na parei kapoia ektakta metra, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisei, estw kai th mia, sto ena disekatommyrio, piqanothta poy mporei na yparjei, epalhqeysh ths aerologias, opws eipate.

AQANASAKHS: Kaqe kratos exei yphresies, mhxanismoys ektaktwn anagkwn, oi opoioi briskontai se etoimothta, kaq` olh th diarkeia toy etoys. Apo kei kai pera, apo thn wra poy oloi lene oti den yparxei prognwsh, parakalw na mhn mpoyme, ki emeis edw se ayth thn aiqoysa, se ayth th genikh cyxwsh, h opoia teinei na diamorfwqei sth xwra, se baros twn idiwn twn politwn. Den qa mas kanoyn cyxopaqeis!

FILHS: Kata thn periodo poy epakoloyqei toy megaloy seismoy yparxei kapoia ayjhmenh etoimothta twn kratikwn yphresiwn;

AQANASAKHS: Yparxei kaqe fora h etoimothta poy epiballetai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti "den qa mas kanoyn cyxopaqeis". O k. Laliwths giati edwse sth dhmosiothta to shma toy BAN; Mhpws symmetexei se ayth thn cyxopaqhtikh;

AQANASAKHS: Oson afora th deyterh erwthsh sas einai mia ektimhsh sas, thn opoia den protiqemai na sxoliasw edw. To prwto skelos pisteyw oti exei apanthqei eparkestata, apo thn prwth, stigmh apo ton ypoyrgo PEXWDE. Gnwrizete ypoqetw h mporeite na plhroforhqeite, oti thn wra poy o k. Laliwths ekane thn prwth anakoinwsh gia th diabibash toy gnwstoy shmatos sthn armodia episthmonikh epitroph, eixan hdh yparjei dhmosiografikes plhrofories kai erwthmata sto Ypoyrgeio gia to an eixe tetoio shma sta xeria toy, kati poy shmainei oti eixe prohghqei h diarroh. Olo ayto to systhma leitoyrgias toy Typoy, twn forewn kai twn "forewn" poy enhmerwnoyn ton Typo to gnwrizete poly kala kai eseis kai egw kai oloi osoi briskontai sthn aiqoysa ayth, wste na mh xreiazetai na sas pw tipote allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla h anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgoy epeteine...

AQANASAKHS: Ayto einai ektimhsh sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: An den ebgaine o Ypoyrgos, oi efhmerides kai oi thleoraseis den qa edinan synexeia.

AQANASAKHS: Proxqes, den bghke o Ypoyrgos na pei gia th deyterh epistolh kai eidate oti oloi oi synadelfoi sas htan ejw apo ena kleisto ktirio opoy ginotan h synedriash gia na perimenoyn to apotelesma ths, exontas, malista, hdh plhrofories isws poly perissoteres kai apo aytes poy eixe o idios o Ypoyrgos...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti oi elegxoi ths prwths periodoy htan oi prwtoi elegxoi. Oi apofaseis gia elegxo ekkremoyn akomh gia polla spitia kai oi armodioi mhxanikoi den phgainoyn gia aytocia.

AQANASAKHS: Eipa oti exoyn oloklhrwqei panw apo 180.000 aytocies. Yparxei mia klimakwsh toy epipedoy twn katastrofwn se diafores perioxes -kai antistoixa toy elegxoy- kai gnwrizete oti ta aithmata gia aytocies den einai mono ayta poy proekycan tis prwtes hmeres meta to seismo, alla prosteqhkan kai alla tis epomenes hmeres. Orismena, malista, prosteqhkan meta tis anakoinwseis gia ta metra anakoyfishs kai ta genikotera metra gia toys seismoys. Yparxei plhrhs apologismos gi ayth th diadikasia poy paroysiasthke xqes apo to YPEXWDE. Den exoyme ekkremothtes oysias sto pedio ayto.

MOYRTZHS: S` ayto to klima ths seismologias -poy opws eipate den mporei na einai synwnymh ths aerologias- parembainoyn kybernhtikoi paragontes. H ka Papandreoy pro oligoy proetrece toys tajidiwtes na prosexoyn stis eqnikes odoys, kaqws proeblece mazikh ejodo twn Aqhnaiwn. Eipe xarakthristika oti den qa prepei na qrhnhsoyme qymata apo ayth thn ejodo.

AQANASAKHS: An qymamai kala toys ariqmoys, oloklhro ton teleytaio aiwna exoyme kapoy 1.400-1.500 nekroys sthn Ellada apo seismoys, enw exoyme peripoy 2.700 nekroys apo troxaia atyxhmata, kaqe xrono.

MOYRTZHS: Exete parei ektakta metra gia thn ejodo poy epikeitai;

AQANASAKHS: Den eimai armodios gia thn Troxaia!

SOYRMELH: Epeidh oi efhmerides anaferontai se kloph twn fakelwn poy aforoyn oikodomes poy epesan, qa hqela na rwthsw, an ontws exete diapistwsei kapoia kloph tetoiwn fakelwn.

AQANASAKHS: Den nomizw oti, apo thn pleyra twn armodiwn paragontwn, exei milhsei kapoios gia kloph. Ayto poy synebh einai oti o ypoyrgos PEXWDE k. Laliwths, enhmerwnontas xqes toys dhmosiografoys, edwse analytiko pinaka gia ta stoixeia twn fakelwn poy exoyn, ews ayth th stigmh, breqei kai sygkrothqei, meta thn arxikh entolh toy pros tis Nomarxies poy exoyn thn eyqynh. Epishs, yphrxe kai antistoixh entolh toy Eisaggelea. Orismenoi fakeloi einai plhreis kai orismenoi alloi den einai. Ta analytika stoixeia doqhkan, xqes, kai gi` ayto den ypeiserxomai se ayta. Se arketes periptwseis mporei oi fakeloi aytoi na sygkrothqoyn apo alles yphresies, logw twn parapleyrwn symplhrwmatikwn adeiwn poy xreiazontai gia ta ktiria ayta. Apo oti eida, oi fakeloi biomhxanikwn monadwn poy eplhghsan, einai mesa ston katalogo, einai se aytoys poy exoyn breqei. H ereyna gia th sygkentrwsh aytoy toy ylikoy synexizetai. Ara, den mporei kaneis, ayth thn wra, na kanei th diapistwsh, thn opoia anaferate. Kai h ereyna qa synexistei. Opws gnwrizete, ola ayta ta stoixeia tiqentai ypoch eidikhs episthmonikhs epitrophs poy exei sygkrothqei sto YPEXWDE, gia na melethsei ta aitia ths katarreyshs twn 30 ktiriwn. Parallhla, yparxoyn kai alla stoixeia poy aforoyn th sygkentrwsh ylikoy, opws binteoskophseis kai fwtografhseis apo tis katarreyseis. O elegxos aytos qa einai plhrhs.

Qa hqela me thn eykairia ayth -den eixa skopo na to kanw- epeidh eida oti se mia apanthsh toy pros ton k. Reppa, xqes, o k. Sphliwtopoylos me pollh eykolia diapistwne "aytapodeiktes politikes eyqynes" gia mia seira qemata, metajy twn opoiwn kai to qema ths RIKOMEJ, na parakalesw ton k. Sphliwtopoylo na janadei tis hmeromhnies kataskeyhs toy ktirioy aytoy.

SOYRMELH: H Ellada einai symfwnh me th meiwsh twn gymnasiwn sto Aigaio kata 25%, pragma gia to opoio feretai na symfwnei o k. Etzebit;

AQANASAKHS: Qa dwsw mia genikh apanthsh, giati den exw tipote to sygkekrimeno gi` ayto to qema. Yparxei mia genikoterh syzhthsh thn opoia gnwrizete kai h opoia ejelissetai se epipedo twn presbeytwn sto NATO, gia ta legomena Metra Oikodomhshs Empistosynhs. Ayth thn parakoloyqeite. Kata kairoys exei kapoia ejelijh, alloys kairoys den exei. Den gnwrizw an ayto einai ena qema poy exei syzhthqei se ayto to epipedo.

SOYRMELH: Ayto einai meta th synanthsh me ton k. Klinton.

AQANASAKHS: Isxyei ayto poy eipa.

BITSENTZOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw, oi dapanes poy qa katabalei to kratos stoys seismopaqeis, an einai o logos gia ton opoio kaqysterei h epistrofh twn parakrathqentwn forwn stoys polites. Giati parathreitai ek neoy ayto to fainomeno.

AQANASAKHS: Den gnwrizw to qema. Den eixa kapoio ereqisma gia na to diereynhsw. Den nomizw, omws, oti to ena qema exei opoiadhpote sxesh me to allo. Gnwrizw oti tis prwtes hmeres meta to seismo -to gnwrizw, dioti eixa parei meros se sxetikh syskech kai to eixa anakoinwsei o idios- eixan apodesmeytei amesws epta disekatommyria apo to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn gia na antimetwpistoyn trexoyses anagkes. Den nomizw oti yparxei tetoio qema idiaiterhs kaqysterhshs fetos, opws lete, kai syndeshs twn dapanwn gia toys seismoys me thn apostolh twn ekkaqaristikwn.

BITSENTZOY: Twn xrhmatwn poy jerete oti krataei to kratos kai katabalei, kapoia stigmh, stoys polites ta Xristoygenna.

AQANASAKHS: Ayto einai ena allo qema toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn kai den sxetizetai me toys seismoys kai tis dapanes poy ginontai gia thn apokatastash apo toys seismoys. Se aytes tis dapanes den exei parathrhqei -kai eimai apolytos se ayto- kapoia kaqysterhsh. Den xreiasthkan kapoy xrhmata kai na mh exoyn diateqei. Den yphrje problhma xrhmatwn. Eipame apo thn prwth hmera, oti to problhma ths apokatastashs logw twn zhmiwn apo toys seismoys, poy einai ena terastio ergo, den einai problhma xrhmatwn. Paramenoyme se ayto. Pisteyoyme oti h ellhnikh oikonomia, me ola ayta ta metra poy exoyn anakoinwqei, syn opoies enisxyseis yparxoyn -opws p. x. apo thn E. E. - qa kalycei ayto to kostos. Den einai mikro, alla qa kalyfqei. Ara, den yparxei tetoio qema.

Sas eyxaristw.

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