Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-09-29

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 29 Septembrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MOSXOBAS: Giati synanthse o Prwqypoyrgos thn k. Aggelopoyloy;

REPPAS: O kyrios kai h kyria Aggelopoyloy prosferoyn th dikh toys symbolh, thn oikonomikh bohqeia toys stoys seismopaqeis kai gi` ayto to logo episkefqhkan ton Prwqypoyrgo.

MOSXOBAS: Den exei sxesh me thn Olympiada;

REPPAS: Den exei sxesh me otidhpote allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes, o arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs kateqese mia erwthsh gia ton Prwqypoyrgo kai kathgorei kratikoys leitoyrgoys. Exete kapoio sxolio gi` ayto;

REPPAS: Prwton, qa labei grapth apanthsh o arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs. Deyteron -kanw politikh ektimhsh- o Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias probainei se tetoies energeies mono kai mono gia th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn. To ekane oson afora ton elegxo paragontwn kai yphresiwn, me aformh ta odynhra apotelesmata apo ton katastrofiko seismo, sto ktirio ths RIKOMEJ. To ekane, me epistolh poy aphyqyne, prospaqwntas na plhroforhqei tis synallages sto Xrhmatisthrio megalwn organismwn, opws einai ta Ellhnika Petrelaia kai o OTE. Dhmioyrgei entypwseis. Egw qa hqela o k. Karamanlhs, otan qa exei apanthseis gi` aytes tis prwtoboylies, na tis dinei kai aytes sth dhmosiothta, me thn idia emfash. Kalo einai na eimaste arketa ypeyqynoi kai sobaroi, otan askoyme ta kaqhkonta mas. Pisteyw oti h protash, h opoia bebaiws qa apanthqei dia ths kanonikhs koinoboyleytikhs odoy, entassetai se ayto to paixnidi dhmioyrgias entypwsewn, to opoio ''paizei'' o k. Karamanlhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, ta stoixeia poy perilambanontai einai ceydh;

REPPAS: Den qa apanthsw egw prowra kai ektos Boylhs. H apanthsh qa doqei dia ths kanonikhs odoy. Alla, den moy fainetai kai para poly sobaro, o arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs na kataqetei erwthsh gia ena peristatiko, anaferomenos se stoixeia ta opoia elegxontai apolytws, gia to ean einai alhqh, etsi opws ta epikaleitai. Kata ta alla, qa labei apanthsh mesw ths kanonikhs odoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, den qa syzhthqei, giati eipate oti qa labei grapth apanthsh;

REPPAS: Den einai epikairh erwthsh gia thn ''Wra toy Prwqypoyrgoy''. Einai grapth erwthsh pros ton Prwqypoyrgo. Qa prepei na plhroforhqeite kai eseis apo ton Kanonismo ths Boylhs...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ton jerw ton Kanonismo.

REPPAS: Den nomizw. H erwthsh poy kanate molis prohgoymenws, apodeiknyei to antiqeto.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mporeite na mas kanete kapoio sxolio gia th synanthsh Klinton-Etzebit, me bash ta osa anakoinwqhkan meta apo ayth;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti einai se ejelijh mia seira prwtoboyliwn, poy exei analabei o dieqnhs paragwn. Qa prepei na parakoloyqhsoyme pws ejelissetai ayth h prwtoboylia. Eidikws gia to Kypriako, pantote sto plaisio toy OHE, exoyn analabei prwtoboylies toso h kybernhsh twn HPA, oso kai h Omada twn oktw xwrwn, h gnwsth G-8. Nomizw oti qa prepei na eimaste prosektikoi kai ypeyqynoi, na anamenoyme pws qa ejelixqei ayth h prwtoboylia. Pisteyoyme pws h periodos ayth einai katallhlh, prokeimenoy h Toyrkia na symbalei, wste na antimetwpistoyn kai na lyqoyn qemata ta opoia paramenoyn se ekkremothta, edw kai poly kairo. Einai pros to symferon kai ths Toyrkias. Den xreiazetai na proboyme se bebiasmenes ektimhseis. Exoyme ypoch mas tis dhmosies dhlwseis twn Toyrkwn ajiwmatoyxwn. Apo thn allh, omws, qa prepei na perimenoyme thn ejelijh h kai oloklhrwsh aytwn twn prwtoboyliwn gia na exoyme ena asfales symperasma. Ayth einai h qesh mas.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: H prooptikh mh yparjhs synomiliwn gia to Kypriako h h yparjh ek toy syneggys synomiliwn, pws antimetwpizetai apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Antimetwpizetai me ena prisma, to opoio kaqe allo para martyra ikanopoihsh apo thn pleyra mas. Giati pisteyoyme oti einai katallhlh h stigmh na ginoyn synomilies gia to kypriako zhthma, apeyqeias synomilies, xwris oroys kai proypoqeseis, synomilies gia oles tis ptyxes toy kypriakoy qematos. Kai, epeidh akribws, oi synqhkes einai wrimes gia kati tetoio, h Toyrkia qa prepei na ajiopoihsei, kai gia diko ths ofelos, aytes tis synqhkes.

FILHS: Yparxei mia ypoyrgikh apofash me thn opoia ayrio stamata h katabolh toy epidomatos twn 200.000 draxmwn stoys seismopaqeis. Yparxoyn sygkekrimenes diamartyries kai apo Dhmoys seismopaqwn perioxwn kai apo polites, oti h katabolh ayth exei kaqysterhsei. Problepetai kapoia diadikasia gia na jeperastoyn ta problhmata;

REPPAS: Osoi exoyn ypobalei tis sxetikes aithseis qa laboyn ayto to ektakto oikonomiko bohqhma. Den yparxei opoiodhpote problhma. Gnwrizete oti ayth h bohqeia twn 200.000 draxmwn, einai mia ektakth bohqeia. Exoyn perasei 22 hmeres apo thn wra poy ekdhlwqhke to fainomeno ayto. Aytoi poy pragmatika exoyn problhmata, exoyn ajiopoihsei ta metra ta opoia exoyme anakoinwsei, exoyn kataqesei tis sxetikes aithseis. Osoi akomh den exoyn labei to oikonomiko bohqhma, qa to laboyn, asxetws an parelqei ayth h hmeromhnia, sthn opoia anaferqhkate. Antilambaneste, omws, oti prepei na qesoyme ena orio se ayth th diadikasia, to opoio einai endeiktiko. Den yparxei periptwsh, kapoioi poy dikaioyntai ayto to bohqhma na mhn to laboyn. Arkei bebaiws na exoyn ypobalei, olh ayth thn periodo, th sxetikh aithsh.

FILHS: Yparxei kapoia ektimhsh sxetikws me ta fhmologoymena oti o k. Etzebit adynatei na askhsei ta kaqhkonta toy, ws Prwqypoyrgos ths Toyrkias;

REPPAS: To poios qa einai Prwqypoyrgos ths Toyrkias afora to lao ths, ta politika kommata, th Boylh ths. Den afora emas. Yparxoyn ayta ta dhmosieymata, gia ta opoia, omws, oydeis mporei na pei me bebaiothta, kata poso antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia, se megalytero h mikrotero pososto h kaqoloy h apolytws. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia gia emas einai h Toyrkia, dia toy Prwqypoyrgoy ths kai twn allwn ajiwmatoyxwn ths, na exei mia politikh, h opoia mporei na apotelesei th bash gia syzhthseis, toso me emas, gia ta qemata poy mas apasxoloyn, oso kai me th dieqnh koinothta gia ta qemata ayta. Ayto exei gia emas endiaferon.

MIXAHL: Yparxoyn kapoies plhrofories oti h kybernhsh skeftetai na tropopoihsei orismenes diatajeis toy eklogikoy nomoy kai sygkekrimena oso afora thn ejomalynsh h aggizoyn ta oria ths oriakhs syntagmatikothtas. Yparxoyn tetoies skeceis sthn kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Oydeis asxoleitai me qemata toy eklogikoy nomoy.

BOYZAS: O k. Pagkalos, k. Ypoyrge, proserxomenos sth Xarilaoy Trikoyph, dhlwse oti qa synexisei na milaei giati den einai ypoyrgos, einai boyleyths kai oi boyleytes mporoyn na omiloyn. Exete kapoio sxolio gi aytes tis dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy;

REPPAS: O k. Pagkalos einai enas ek twn boyleytwn ths kybernhtikhs pleiochfias, poy sthrizei thn kybernhsh toy PASOK. H kybernhsh, epeidh akribws exei ayth thn eyrytath sthrijh ths pleiochfias twn boyleytwn toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy, askei me epityxia ta kaqhkonta ths kai qa oloklhrwsei th qhteia ths.

BOYZAS: To lew ayto,. k. Ypoyrge, giati o k. Pagkalos sto prosfato parelqon exei askhsei kritikh se ptyxes ths kybernhtikhs politikhs.

REPPAS: Ti einai ayto poy endiafereste na maqete; An anatrecei thn kybernhsh o k. Pagkalos h an qa synexisei na th sthrizei; Sas lew oti qa symbei to deytero. An rwtate gia to endexomeno o k. Pagkalos na synexisei na paroysiazei tis apoceis toy, opws oloi oi alloi boyleytes, sas lew oti ayto einai perissotero apo bebaio. Alla den afora monon ton k. Pagkalo, afora oloys toys Ellhnes boyleytes kai oxi mono toys boyleytes toy PASOK. Oi boyleytes ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys. Den nomizw oti boyleyths o opoios milaei ekfrazei apoceis allwn; Tis dikes toy apoceis ekfrazei.

FILHS: Kai antikaqistatai;

REPPAS: An to zhtaei o idios, bebaiws.

FILHS: An den to zhtaei;

REPPAS: An den to zhthsei, den einai efikth ayth h diadikasia. Den yparxei ston Kanonismo ths Boylhs.

FILHS: Pws sxoliazete thn apoch boyleytwn toy PASOK, xqes to brady poy diafwnoyn me to nomosxedio ths EYDAP;

REPPAS: Einai dikes toys apoceis.

FILHS: Tis eipan, antikatastaqhkan kai to qema elhje. Ayto lete;

REPPAS: Ef' oson kapoios zhta na antikatastaqei gia dikoys toy logoys -eite antikeimenikhs adynamias, eite alloys- kai den qa proselqei sth synedriash ths Boylhs, bebaiws, antikaqistatai, opws problepei o Kanonismos ths Boylhs. An o idios, o endiaferomenos boyleyths den zhthsei kati tetoio, o idios epilegei an qa einai parwn sth synedriash h oxi. Den yparxei allh diadikasia. Prepei na sas pw oti h Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK leitoyrgei me poly dhmokratiko tropo.

FILHS: H erwthsh einai eyqeia. Den leme an pisteyete h oxi ton kanonismo. Zhthsan oi sygkekrimenoi boyleytes na antikatastaqoyn;

REPPAS: Exete kapoia endeijh gia to antiqeto;

FILHS: Oxi, rwtw.

REPPAS: Sas lew, loipon, oti symfwna me ta osa problepei o Kanonismos ths Boylhs kai o kanonismos leitoyrgias ths K. O., etsi ginetai. An eseis gnwrizete to antiqeto, peite to. Afoy den yparxei otidhpote poy na odhgei sto antiqeto symperasma, giati qelete na syzhtoyme gi' ayto poy einai h ejairesh kai oxi gi' ayto poy einai o kanonas;

FILHS: Einai mia aplh erwthsh.

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa kai eseis qelete na synthreite ena qema xwris na yparxei logos h yparxei logos ton opoio den symmerizomai. Problepetai pws ginetai ayth h antikatastash To idio, opws kai sto parelqon, egine kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

MOSXOBAS: O k. Pagkalos eipe oti oi boyleytes exoyn dikaiwma na omiloyn, oi Ypoyrgoi oxi. Qymamai th rhsh toy k. Shmith epi prwqypoyrgias Papandreoy oti oi ypoyrgoi exoyn dikaiwma na exoyn tis apoceis toys.

REPPAS: Milhsa gia to synolo twn boyleytwn kai gnwrizete poly kala, oti sth syntriptikh pleiochfia toys oi ypoyrgoi einai boyleytes. Alla, bebaiws, opoios symmetexei se ena organo, opws antilambaneste, exei prosqetes ypoxrewseis kai desmeyseis enanti ths syllogikothtas me thn opoia leitoyrgei kai apofasizei to organo sto opoio symmetexei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Alla omws toys eipe o Prwqypoyrgos mesa, ston k. Pagkalo kai ston k. Papadopoylo. Toys eipe na stamathsoyn ayth thn kritikh, giati dhmioyrgoyn problhma. Exw poly kalh plhroforhsh, sas plhroforw.

REPPAS: Eseis, k. Stamatopoyle, exete anaptygmenh fantasia kai leitoyrgeite ws h omada ekeinh poy panta problepei to akraio, thn katastrofh...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Diaceydete oti o Prwqypoyrgos toys eipe na stamathsoyn;

REPPAS: Exete dhlwseis apo kapoion, apo aytoys poy elaban meros stis syzhthseis; Opws gnwrizete, sth mia syzhthsh htan parontes o Prwqypoyrgos kai o k. Pagkalos kai sthn allh o Prwqypoyrgos kai o k. Papadopoylos. Parakalw mh me kaleite na apanthsw se fhmes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati toys kalese aytoys toys dyo;

REPPAS: Blepw oti epiqymeite mia "poinikopoihsh" ths politikhs zwhs, dhladh ton elegxo twn synanthsewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati toys kalese;

REPPAS: Giati etsi ekrine o Prwqypoyrgos. Einai stelexh toy Kommatos, einai melh toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy. Enocei ths synedriashs toy E. G. kai toy kommatikoy sxediasmoy, ekrine skopimo na syzhthsei me ayta ta stelexh. Prokalei entypwsh; Eseis, prin dyo ebdomades, me rwtoysate giati den toys kalei na syzhthsoyn. Otan den syzhta, rwtate giati den syzhta. Otan syzhta, pali rwtate giati syzhta. Mporeite na moy peite ti einai ayto poy epiqymeite, wste na antapokriqoyme sthn epiqymia sas kai na apofygoyme aytes tis erwthseis! !

STAMATOPOYLOS: Htan oi dyo boyleytes poy askoyn kritikh. Gi' ayto toys kalese.

REPPAS: Ayth einai h dikh sas ekdoxh. Agnoeite oti oi dyo sygkekrimenoi boyleytes einai kai melh toy E. G. kai probeblhmena stelexh toy PASOK.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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