Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-09-22

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 22 Septembrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pws antimetwpizei h kybernhsh to xqesino thlegrafhma toy APE, to opoio exei th morfh eswterikhs odhgias, oson afora to Xrhmatisthrio, opoy metajy allwn anaferei "ayrio agorazoyme" kai ayto apodidetai se ychlo stelexos toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Oikonomias;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, apokleiw na exei ginei mia tetoia dhlwsh. Se sxetikh erwthsh poy moy aphyqyne jeno megalo eidhseografiko praktoreio ekana ayto to sxolio: Apokleiw ayto to endexomeno. Tetoies dhlwseis den exoyn qesh, ara den einai dynato na ginontai apo paragontes poy exoyn mia sxetikh eyqynh ki ena rolo sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias. To sxetiko thlegrafhma, sto opoio anafereste, den katonomazei kapoion paragonta sygkekrimena. Gnwrizw oti ta sxolia, ta opoia trofodothsan ayth th syzhthsh, apanthqhkan apo to symboylo toy Giannoy Papantwnioy k. Stoyrnara, o opoios dieceyse oti ton afora h apo kapoioys, sto plaisio aytwn twn ciqyrwn kai sxoliwn, apodidomenh frash, sthn opoia anaferqhkate ki eseis. Ara, loipon, den yparxei antikeimeno gia peraiterw syzhthsh. Den yparxei otidhpote poy mporei na xrhsimopoihqei ws yliko, gia na bgaloyme kapoia symperasmata. Ta osa exoyn sxesh me to Xrhmatisthrio, ta antimetwpisame me ton tropo poy gnwrizete. H dhlwsh poy ekana xqes einai plhrhs, einai safhs. Ayth ekfrazei th qesh ths kybernhshs. Pisteyw oti den xreiazetai na prosqesoyme kati allo. Ta leei ola h dhlwsh ayth.

KANELLOPOYLOS: To gegonos oti h eidhsh ayth metadidetai apo kratiko meso, poso sas apasxolei;

REPPAS: To APE einai anwnymh etaireia. Exei th dikh toy leitoyrgia, ta dika toy organa. Den einai dynato na parembainoyme emeis ston tropo me ton opoio leitoyrgoyn oi dhmosiografoi. Einai kati, poy prwta ap` ola esas qa brei antiqetoys. Den einai dynaton oi dhmosiografoi poy epiteloyn to ergo toys, kata tropo poy ekeinoi krinoyn oti einai o pleon prosforos, na elegxontai apo emas. Oi dhmosiografoi krinontai apo aytoys, oi opoioi dexontai tis yphresies toys, ta proionta ths doyleias toys.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Epeidh, legetai, tis teleytaies hmeres, h kybernhsh protiqetai na dwsei sth dhmosiothta ta onomata etaireiwn poy exoyn almatwdh anodo sto Xrhmatisthriotis legomenes foyskes; Giati, h kybernhsh den dinei sth dhmosiothta ta onomata ayta, na teleiwnoyme; Gnwrizoyme oti gnwrizete poies einai aytes oi etaireies.

REPPAS: Ayto den einai ergo ths kybernhshs. H kybernhsh, en eidei plaisioy, anakoinwse th qesh ths. Gnwrizete poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs. Den exoyme na prosqesoyme tipote allo. Ola ta alla aforoyn tis etaireies poy einai eishgmenes sto Xrhmatisthrio kai toys ependytes poy kanoyn tis dikes toys epiloges. Den aforoyn thn kybernhsh. Se ayto eimaste safeis.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Aforoyn, omws, to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias. Mia etaireia poy einai "foyska" qa anakoinwsei h idia oti einai "foyska";

REPPAS: To Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias einai staqera prosanatolismeno, prokeimenoy na qwrakisei to Xrhmatisthrio. Milhsa gia ola ayta kai xqes kai proxqes. Ayto kanei h kybernhsh, aytos einai o rolos ths, se ayton periorizetai. Den parembainei sth leitoyrgia toy Xrhmatisthrioy.

MIXAHL: Mia paremferhs erwthsh: Yparxei mia fhmologia, ypo morfhn arqrografias, kai palaiotera, oti pisw apo olo ayto to genikeymeno klima eyforias toy Xrhmatisthrioy, yparxoyn kybernhtikoi ajiwmatoyxoi. Qelw na sas qesw to erwthma, ean h kybernhsh, protiqetai, pera apo to "poqen esxes" twn ypoyrgwn kai twn boyleytwn, na to epekteinei kai se kybernhtikoys ajiwmatoyxoys.

REPPAS: Ayto isxyei.

MIXAHL: Enas dikos sas symboylos mporei na ypobalei dhlwsh "poqen esxes";

REPPAS: Isxyei gia toys ypallhloys o elegxos toy eisodhmatos toys.

MIXAHL: Sthn Eforia.

REPPAS: Bebaiws. Prepei na pw oti ayto to opoio qetete kai sthrizetai se fhmologies, den einai dynato na syzhthqei edw. Den to sxoliazw kan. Mporw, omws, na sxoliasw ena pragmatiko gegonos, to opoio einai aytapodeikto kai h shmasia toy aytonohth. Gnwrizete to epipedo sto opoio ekineito to Xrhmatisthrio, liga xronia prin. Gnwrizete to epipedo sto opoio kineitai to Xrhmatisthrio ayth thn periodo. Kai pisteyoyme oti sto epipedo ayto eftase to Xrhmatisthrio, logw toy klimatos poy exei dhmioyrghqei. Kai to klima ayto dhmioyrghqhke logw ths epityxoys askhshs mias swsths oikonomikhs politikhs, poy exoyme ejaggeilei kai efarmozoyme. Ayta einai ta pragmatika dedomena. Sas kalw se ayta na perioristoyme kai na bgaloyme ta symperasmata mas. Miloyn mona toys ta stoixeia.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Ayto gia to opoio kathgoreitai h kybernhsh kai kybernhtika stelexh einai oti me dhlwseis toys epeteinan ayto to klima.

REPPAS: Kapoioi diatypwnoyn ayth thn apoch. Sebasth h apoch toys, alla, den antapokrinetai sta pragmata. Dioti an kathgoreitai h kybernhsh giati h politikh ths exei symbalei, estw kai emmesws, sto na exei fqasei to Xrhmatisthrio se ayto to epipedo, pisteyoyme oti kathgoreitai adikws. Apo kei kai pera ola ta alla einai syzhthseis, oi opoies, bebaiws, ginontai eleyqera, alla den qewrw oti einai ypeyqynes.

BOYZAS: Sthn Kypro, o Proedros Klhridhs, apofasise na apolyei toys ypoyrgoys toy, oi opoioi me th meqodo ths metoxikhs topoqethshs agorazoyn metoxes sto Xrhmatisthrio. Malista, o genikos Eisaggeleas Kyproy ejetazei kai thn allagh toy nomoqetikoy plaisioy, wste na yparxoyn poinikes kai peiqarxikes eyqynes kai se alla proswpa, Dioikhtes Organismwn, Symboyloys k. lp. H ellhnikh kybernhsh skeptetai kati tetoio;

REPPAS: To syntagmatiko kai nomiko plaisio poy isxyei to gnwrizete. Den allazei. Den yparxei kati poy na einai paranomo h antisyntagmatiko, oson afora drasthriothtes kybernhtikwn kai kratikwn paragontwn, se ayto ton tomea. Emeis antimetwpizoyme ayto to opoio einai paranomo. Oti den einai paranomo den mporei na diwketai.

BOYZAS: Ws meqodo prolhchs, k. Ypoyrge, gi ayto to rwthsa.

REPPAS: Einai mia politikh dhlwsh poy ekane o k. Klhridhs kai to nomiko plaisio poy isxyei sthn Kypro den einai diaforetiko apo ayto poy isxyei sthn Ellada kai se alles eyrwpaikes xwres. To plaisio ayto, loipon, poy isxyei sthn Ellada paramenei ws exei. Einai, epanalambanw, to plaisio poy isxyei se oles tis prohgmenes xwres.

MIXAHL: H kybernhsh qewrei oti ta krithria poy exoyn teqei sto Amsternam kai sto Karntif, gia th syndesh ths Toyrkias, ws ypochfias xwras gia thn E. E. briskontai se fash epanejetashs, meta to klima poy yparxei toys teleytaioys mhnes stis sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn;

REPPAS: To klima den einai kati afhrhmeno. Einai ena poly sygkekrimeno megeqos, to opoio mporei -an qelete- ypo mia ennoia kai na metrhqei. To klima, kalo h kako, dhmioyrgeitai apo sygkekrimenes politikes epiloges, apo sygkekrimenes symperifores, apo sygkekrimenes prajeis. Pragmati, yparxei ena kalytero klima stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis. Ena klima mh entashs, opws to onomasa prin apo liges hmeres. Einai se ejelijh mia diadikasia, oson afora ton ellhnotoyrkiko dialogo gia qemata poy apasxoloyn epitropes empeirognwmonwn. Oloklhrwqhke, hdh, o deyteros gyros syzhthsewn kai qa akoloyqhsei tritos, to 3o dekahmero toy Oktwbrioy. Oson afora thn entajh ths Toyrkias sthn E. E. h thn epilejimothta ths kai ton xarakthrismo ths ws ypochfias pros entajh xwras sthn E. E., to qema ayto qa antimetwpistei sth Synodo Koryfhs, poy qa ginei sto telos toy xronoy sto Elsinki. H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei diatypwsei jekaqara th qesh ths: Epiqymoyme thn eyrwtoyrkikh proseggish -panta to legame ayto- katw, omws, apo orismenes proypoqeseis. Katw apo proypoqeseis kai oroys poy aforoyn oles tis xwres poy exoyn analogo endiaferon kai epidiwjh. Kai, bebaiws, se oti afora thn poly sygkekrimenh periptwsh sthn opoia anafereste, proypoqesh apotelei to na exei antapokriqei h Toyrkia stis sygkekrimenes proklhseis: H mia einai ayth poy afora th symbolh ths sthn antimetwpish kai lysh toy kypriakoy problhmatos. H deyterh afora thn anaptyjh sxesewn kalhs geitonias me thn Ellada, sth bash twn arxwn kai twn kanonwn toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy. Sth bash, dhladh, mias politikhs arxwn, thn opoia akoloyqoyn oles oi eyrwpaikes xwres kai sthn opoia epiqymoyme na proselqei kai na antapokriqei kai h Toyrkia.

MIXAHL: Eseis ektimate oti h Toyrkia exei antapokriqei s' ayto to plaisio, poy lete;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala, prwton, oti yparxoyn apofaseis ths Synodoy Koryfhs ths E. E., oi opoies isxyoyn. Den anakaloyntai, den anatrepontai. Deyteron, gia kaqe xwra -kai gia thn Toyrkia- yparxoyn sygkekrimenes diadikasies poy akoloyqoyntai, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsei h proseggish ths kaqe xwras kai ths Toyrkias, en prokeimenw, se ena epomeno stadio stis sxeseis ths me thn E. E. Ayto einai kati to opoio h E. E. to ejetazei kaqe fora. H Toyrkia qa prepei se aytoys toys tomeis, poy aforoyn tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis kai to Kypriako na epideijei mia tetoia symperifora, h opoia qa apodeiknyei oti pragmatika enswmatwnetai se ayto poy apotelei eyrwpaiko kekthmeno, stis arxes kai toys kanones, basei twn opoiwn leitoyrgei h E. E. Ayth einai h qesh mas.

MIXAHL: Ef' oson ayth einai h qesh, o k. Papandreoy giati dhlwse apo th N. Yorkh, xqes, oti emeis qa yposthrijoyme to aithma ths Toyrkias sto Elsinki, na ginei ypochfia xwra;

REPPAS: Oydeis eqese pote qema proseggishs ths Toyrkias sthn E. E. aney orwn kai proypoqesewn. Allwste, h diadikasia poy akoloyqeitai se oles tis periptwseis einai poly sygkekrimenh, sxedon typopoihmenh. Bebaiws, se kaqe periptwsh yparxoyn ta diaforetika ekeina stoixeia ta opoia "xrwmatizoyn" thn periptwsh. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, loipon, h Toyrkia qa prepei se dyo tomeis poy exoyn poly megalh shmasia, opws einai to Kypriako kai oi ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis, na epideijei mia tetoia stash, h opoia qa symbalei sthn antimetwpish twn sxetikwn problhmatwn, ypo to prisma poy ta proseggizei kai ta antimetwpizei o dieqnhs paragwn kai h E. E. Gnwrizete poly kala, oti o OHE, oson afora to Kypriako, exei ekdwsei chfismata kat' epanalhch. Basei aytwn twn chfismatwn ergazetai o dieqnhs paragwn kai h E. E., prokeimenoy na ejeyreqei lysh. Ayto den mporei na to yperkerasei h Toyrkia. Me ayth thn ennoia, asfalws, epiqymoyme mia Toyrkia h opoia brisketai se troxia proseggishs h enswmatwshs -an qelete- sthn E. E. Ayto shmainei oti epiqymoyme mia eyrwpaikh Toyrkia kai oxi bebaiws mia Toyrkia h opoia qelei thn Eyrwph, "ala kart", kata th dikh ths epilogh: Thn Eyrwph thn opoia epilegei se orismenoys tomeis, thn Eyrwph thn opoia agnoei kai arneitai se alloys tomeis, analogws twn dikwn ths epilogwn. Oi desmeyseis kai oi ypoxrewseis poy exei h Toyrkia s' ayth thn poreia pros thn E. E. einai aytonohtes, isxyoyn gia aythn, opws isxysan sto parelqon kai qa isxysoyn sto mellon gia oles tis xwres poy eixan h exoyn sxesh me thn E. E.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Milhsate gia proypoqeseis, basei twn opoiwn qa mporei h Toyrkia na mpei sthn E. E. kai milhsate gia to Kypriako kai kala kanate. Meta milhsate gia kalo klima metajy Elladas kai Toyrkias. Pws einai dynaton na yparxei kalo klima th stigmh poy h Toyrkia sto Kypriako einai teleiws arnhtikh, otan arneitai akoma na parakaqisei kai se dialogo. Dierwtwmai pws einai dynaton na yparxei kalo klima apo th mia, kai apo thn allh na yparxei arnhtikothta apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias;

REPPAS: Milhsa gia ena kalytero klima. Milhsa gia ena klima, to opoio xarakthrisa "klima mh entashs". Ayto yparxei, einai mia pragmatikothta poy den mporei na thn arnhqei kaneis. Shmasia exei na ajiopoihsoyme ayto to opoio fainetai oti prokyptei thn teleytaia periodo, prokeimenoy na kanoyme ta epomena bhmata. Ta epomena bhmata qa einai staqera kai qa odhghsoyn se diarkh apotelesmata, ta opoia den qa anatrepontai, gia to kalo kai twn dyo xwrwn, ef' oson h Toyrkia apo th dikh ths pleyra, antapokriqei sthn proklhsh kai askhsei mia politikh symfwnh me tis arxes kai toys kanones toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy. Ayto einai to megalo stoixhma kai gia thn Toyrkia.

TOYMASHS: Exw thn entypwsh oti yparxei mia seira krithriwn gia na xarakthristei mia xwra entajimh sthn E. E. Epeidh exw thn entypwsh oti ta krithria ayta, toylaxiston apo pleyras E. E. alla kai Elladas, opws einai fysiko, den ejantloyntai sto Kypriako kai sto klima metajy twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn, alla perilambanoyn kai ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata sthn opoia pros entajh xwra, alla kai dhmokratikoys qesmoys. Dhladh, den mporei na mpei mia xwra sthn E. E. otan sto Syntagma ths katoxyrwnetai o rolos toy stratoy sth dhmokratikh zwh ayths ths xwras. Qelw na rwthsw an ayta ta krithria exoyn ekleicei.

REPPAS: Kaqe allo. Milhsa gia diadikasies, gia oroys kai proypoqeseis poy isxysan se oles tis periptwseis sto parelqon kai qa isxysoyn kai sthn periptwsh ths Toyrkias. Den allazei tipota ws pros to shmeio ayto. Ayto poy lew einai aytonohto kai einai gnwsto se sas.

TOYMASHS: Poy mas odhgei oti ean beltiwqoyn oi ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis h lyqei to Kypriako, aytomatws metaphda se ypo entajh xwra;

REPPAS: Eipa oti ayta isxyoyn se oles tis periptwseis. Kai bebaiws kaqe periptwsh "xrwmatizetai" apo eidika qemata. Opws sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh ths Toyrkias, eidika qemata einai ayta poy exoyn sxesh me to Kypriako kai tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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