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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 23 Septembrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati h kybernhsh den dexetai na ginei syzhthsh sth Boylh gia toys seismoys;

REPPAS: Exoyme pei oti to qema ths antimetwpishs twn problhmatwn poy exoyn prokycei meta ton katastrofiko seismo den mporei na apotelesei pedio kommatikwn antiparaqesewn, giati sto sygkekrimeno pedio den yparxei apoqema kommatismoy. Eipa, epishs, oti mas endiaferei na antiparateqoyme me ta problhmata poy apasxoloyn toys seismoplhktoys, prokeimenoy na ta lysoyme. Den mas endiaferei h antiparaqesh me th Nea Dhmokratia. Den mas endiaferei na epidoqoyme se mia acimaxia, poy qa apodeiknyei oti exoyme egklwbistei sto mikrokosmo twn kommatwn, adiaforwntas gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn poy apasxoloyn toys polites. Mas endiaferei na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata. Egine, hdh, dyo fores enhmerwsh toy Koinoboylioy apo thn k. Basw Papandreoy. Aytes tis hmeres doqhke apo ton k. Kwsta Laliwth h dynatothta stoys boyleytes na gnwrizoyn gia tis energeies ths kybernhshs. H syzhthsh sth Boylh qa ginei thn wra kai me ton tropo poy prepei. Epiqymoyme sto qema ayto -poy krinetai to proswpo enos sygxronoy kai apotelesmatikoy kratoys- h kybernhsh na einai paroysa me to ergo ths. Qa syzhthsei sth Boylh. Gia mia akomh fora qa enhmerwsei toys boyleytes kai ta kommata gia to ergo poy exoyme epitelesei kai qa akoysoyme tis apoceis toys. Opws, epishs, dexthke tis apoceis toys mesw twn ypomnhmatwn poy kateqesan oi politikoi arxhgoi kata tis synanthseis poy eixan me ton Prwqypoyrgo. H syzhthsh qa ginei sthn olomeleia ths Boylhs thn katallhlh stigmh. Exoyme kaqe logo na qeloyme ayth th syzhthsh, giati exoyme na paroysiasoyme ergo me sygkekrimena apotelesmata. Lypoymaste giati h Nea Dhmokratia epidiwkei mia kommatikh-politikh polwsh me aformh ena qema to opoio den prosferetai gia na ejyphrethqei aytos o politikos sxediasmos, ayth h epidiwjh ths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pote qa ginei ayth h syzhthsh sthn opoia qa parastei kai o Prwqypoyrgos; Thn exete prosdiorisei;

REPPAS: Exoyn labei meros sth syzhthsh aytoy toy qematos sth Boylh ekproswpoi olwn twn kommatwn, tis dyo prohgoymenes fores, opws kai shmera. Ara, h syzhthsh ayth exei ginei. Se epipedo politikwn arxhgwn kai oxi mono -giati to qema ths antimetwpishs twn problhmatwn apasxolhse oloklhrh thn kybernhsh, ypo thn kaqodhghsh, bebaiws, kai thn epopteia toy Prwqypoyrgoy- h kybernhsh qa einai paroysa kai qa paroysiasei kai pali to ergo ths, ta sygkekrimena apotelesmata. Tote o kaqenas qa exei th dynatothta na krinei kai thn kybernhsh, gia ton ypeyqyno tropo me ton opoio antimetwpise ta qemata ayta, kai thn Antipoliteysh gia ton ypeyqyno tropo me ton opoio ta antimetwpise kata thn a` fash kai gia ton aneyqyno tropo me ton opoio symperiferetai apo edw kai pera, epidiwkontas na apokomisei ofelh se ena xwro, omws, opoy kati tetoio den einai efikto giati den prosferetai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Arxes Oktwbrioy qa ginei ayth h syzhthsh;

REPPAS: Den exei oristei sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia, doqentos oti akomh leitoyrgei to Tmhma twn qerinwn diakopwn kai den leitoyrgei h olomeleia. Gnwrizei, loipon, o k. Karamanlhs oti exei ginei enhmerwsh dyo fores -shmera gia trith fora- sth Boylh kai qa ginei epishs kai se ena allo epipedo sto plaisio ths olomeleias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos xqes, sth diarkeia ths syzhthshs poy eixe me koryfaia stelexh toy PASOK, feretai oti eipe oti se dyo hmeres to Xrhmatisthrio qa exei epanelqei sthn kanonikh toy poreia. To epibebaiwnete ayto;

REPPAS: To Xrhmatisthrio exei thn aytonomh leitoyrgia toy. Emeis exoyme empistosynh sta apotelesmata ths politikhs poy exoyme akoloyqhsei. H oikonomikh politikh exei dwsei apotelesmata poy ephreazoyn qetika polloys tomeis ths koinwnikhs drasthriothtas. Exoyn ephreasei qetika kai to Xrhmatisthrio. Gia mia akomh fora ypenqymizw oti kapoioi tolmoyn na kathgorhsoyn thn kybernhsh, otan gnwrizoyn oti h oikonomikh politikh ths kybernhshs einai ayth poy exei odhghsei to Xrhmatisthrio apo ena orismeno xamhlo epipedo, me bash ta shmerina dedomena, na ftasei shmera se ena allo ychlo epipedo. Na leitoyrgei me tetoio tropo poy na ikanopoiei kai toys epixeirhmaties, twn opoiwn oi epixeirhseis einai eishgmenes sto Xrhmatisthrio, kai toys ependytes. H kybernhsh einai ayth poy lambanei apofaseis kai metra, prokeimenoy na qwrakisei to Xrhmatisthrio kai na prostateysei etsi toys polites, oi opoioi symmetexoyn stis leitoyrgies toy. H Antipoliteysh einai ayth, h opoia, dystyxws, epidiwkei na synthrhsei mia syzhthsh poy gnwrizei poly kala oti mporei na dhmioyrghsei problhmata sth leitoyrgia toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Gi` ayto qewroyme oti einai atoph h prospaqeia poy kanei h Nea Dhmokratia kai o arxhgos ths na rijei skies sth leitoyrgia toy Xrhmatisthrioy, pragma to opoio mporei na exei dysmeneis synepeies kai aytes tis eyqynes qa prepei na tis analabei h Nea Dhmokratia.

O Prwqypoyrgos ayto to opoio eipe, sto plaisio ths enhmerwshs poy ekane se stelexh toy PASOK einai to aytonohto, to gnwsto se sas edw kai kairo, oti h oikonomikh politikh ths kybernhshs exei qetika apotelesmata. Ayto exei synepeies kai gia to Xrhmatisthrio. Oi diakymanseis poy parathroyntai kai einai fysiologikes gia kaqe Xrhmatisthrio kai, bebaiws, kai gia to ellhniko Xrhmatisthrio, giati den mporei na apotelei ejairesh, einai apolytws dikaiologhmenes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Katalabate ti sas rwthsa; Egw, rwthsa an o Prwqypoyrgos eipe pws se dyo hmeres...

REPPAS: Apolytws katalaba. Giati o Prwqypoyrgos, milwntas gia thn oikonomikh politikh -kai exoyme empistosynh sthn oikonomikh politikh mas- einai bebaios gia tis qetikes synepeies ayths ths politikhs se oloys toys tomeis. Kai sth leitoyrgia toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Ayto einai olo. Den yparxei tipota allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To se ''dyo hmeres'' epimenw kai erwtw.

REPPAS: H syzhthsh gia to Xrhmatisthrio otan ginetai me ayto ton agoraio tropo apo polloys, oi opoioi prospaqoyn na synthrhsoyn skies gia th leitoyrgia toy Xrhmatisthrioy prosferei poly kakh yphresia. Emeis exoyme jekaqarh qesh. Eipame oti sthrijame, sthrizoyme kai qa sthrizoyme to Xrhmatisthrio. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, kaqenas o opoios symmetexei sto Xrhmatisthrio apo opoiadhpote pleyra qa prepei na kanei tis epiloges toy me cyxraimia kai gnwsh twn kanonwn toy Xrhmatisthrioy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia poion lete oti milaei me "agoraio tropo"; Ston Prwqypoyrgo anafereste;

REPPAS: Eseis kanete ayth thn ypoqesh me poly ypeyqyno tropo giati pisteyete oti mporei na to lew ayto kai gia ton Prwqypoyrgo! To pisteyete ayto, den amfiballw. Giati, den dianoeiste oti mporei na milaw gia thn Ajiwmatikh Antipoliteysh! Giati h Ajiwmatikh Antipoliteysh gia sas einai ektos ayths ths kritikhs! Den einai dynato na feretai me agoraio tropo!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti me endiaferei emena ti kanei h Ajiwmatikh Antipoliteysh;

REPPAS: To jerw oti den sas endiaferei. Gi` ayto milaw me ayto ton tropo, epeidh gnwrizw oti den prokeitai na sas enoxlhsei. Kai aporw giati sas enoxlei, epeidh jerw oti den sas endiaferei ti kanei h Ajiwmatikh Antipoliteysh!

PARIS: Sthn proxqesinh ptwsh toy deikth toy Xrhmatisthrioy o aqhnaikos Typos bghke syllhbdhn me dhlwseis kybernhtikwn paragontwn, oi opoioi diabebaiwnan oti to Xrhmatisthrio qa anebei. Hqela na rwthsw mhpws aytes oi dhlwseis poy kanoyn paragontes ths kybernhshs, peri eggyhshs ths kybernhshs, kai h opoiadhpote anafora sto Xrhmatisthrio qa eprepe na stamathsoyn pantelws;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh, h eggyhsh ths Politeias afora th qespish kai egkaqidrysh kanonwn poy ejasfalizoyn th diafanh kai ygih leitoyrgia toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Ayto ginetai. Apo ekei kai pera h kybernhsh brisketai apenanti se erwthseis. Eseis diatypwnete akomh kai shmera erwthseis, me tis opoies kaleite thn kybernhsh na apanthsei. Gia to qema poy qesate apanthsa xqes. Paramenw se ayth thn apanthsh kai kalw kai esas na mh symbalete sthn peraiterw synthrhsh ayths ths syzhthshs. H syzhthsh ayth exei kleisei. Apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs qewroyme oti to qema ayto exei syzhthqei arketa. Den yparxei kati kainoyrgio, peran twn metrwn poy exoyn anakoinwsei oi armodies yphresies toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Synepws den yparxei kai pedio gia syzhthsh.

PARIS: Anakoinwqhkan th Deytera ta metra ayta, opws ta lete k. Ypoyrge, kai, molis shmera, bghke h lista gia to poies epixeirhseis qa einai ypo epithrhsh. Olo ayto deixnei oti yparxei kapoia abebaiothta. Einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh gia ton tropo me ton opoio synolika to Xrhmatisthrio exei antidrasei. H kybernhsh qewrei pws h oikonomikh politikh poy askei exei bohqhsei, wste to Xrhmatisthrio na paroysiasei ayth thn anodikh troxia, pragma to opoio einai idiaiterws ikanopoihtiko kai gia toys epixeirhmaties, toys ependytes, toys metoxoys kai toys mikrometoxoys.

PARIS: Epishs, shmera, ston aqhnaiko Typo yparxoyn ektenh reportaz gia to oti o k. Asprogerakas qa kalesei ton k. Papadhmo kai trapezikoys paragontes na dei an oi dhlwseis toys ephreazoyn thn poreia toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Kata th gnwmh ths kybernhshs prepei na poinikopoieitai o kentrikos trapeziths, epeidh ekane sxolia gia thn agora;

REPPAS: Den qa sxoliasw tis energeies leitoyrgwn ths Dikaiosynhs. Edw kai kapoioys mhnes, gnwrizete oti exei diataxqei ereyna me aformh syzhthseis gia thn idiothta kapoiwn metoxwn, ean einai "ygieis" h an einai "foyskes", opws tote eixan apoklhqei. Sto plaisio ayths ths ereynas thn prwtoboylia thn exoyn oi dikastikoi leitoyrgoi. Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Kanena apolytws sxolio.

KWSTANTHS: Isxyei to xronodiagramma poy exei qesei h kybernhsh, twn oktw ebdomadwn, giati meta tis nees dhlwseis ths k. Basws Papandreoy, poy eipe "den ejartatai mono apo emas", arxizei na diamorfwnetai mia entypwsh pws telika den qa thrhqei aparegklita ayto to xronodiagramma.

REPPAS: Qetete thn erwthsh me tetoio tropo, san na ennoeite oti qeloyme na parabiasoyme to xroniko diasthma poy exoyme ejaggeilei, gia na antapokriqoyme se ayth thn ypoxrewsh, na metaferoyme toys polites poy shmera einai stis skhnes se alles egkatastaseis. Isxyoyn ta osa exoyme ejaggeilei.

ALEJAKH: Qa hqela na mas peite ean yparxei kati neotero sxetika me tis ereynes gia to FALCON, giati xqes eixe synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo o k. Mantelhs, ki eseis symmeteixate. Einai etsi h oxi;

REPPAS: Den eixe kamia sxesh, h synanthsh h synergasia mas ayth, me to sygkekrimeno qema.

ALEJAKH: Dhladh, den syzhthsate tipota gia to FALCON;

REPPAS: Apolytws tipota.

ALEJAKH: Yparxoyn neotera stoixeia;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na yparxei kati neotero. Anamenoyme na oloklhrwqei h poreia twn ereynwn to syntomotero dynato. Pisteyw oti mexri telos Oktwbrioy einai arketos o xronos gia na mas paradwsoyn to teliko porisma toys oi empeirognwmones. Gnwrizete oti h omada twn eidikwn poy exei analabei ayto to ergo den apoteleitai mono apo Ellhnes. Symmetexoyn Roymanoi kai Amerikanoi empeirognwmones. Einai ergo diko toys, me apolyth egkyrothta, na oloklhrwsoyn thn apostolh poy toys anateqhke, gia na gnwrisoyme ta akribh aitia kai tis synqhkes poy tragikoy symbantos. Den jeroyme tipota allo. Oyte prokeitai na paremboyme pros th mia h thn allh kateyqynsh kaqws ejelissetai ayth h ereyna. Isa-isa qa perifroyrhsoyme thn anejarthsia twn empeirognwmonwn gia na kanoyn anephreasta to ergo toys.

ALEJAKH: Xqes, eixame ena atyxhma sthn Polemikh Aeroporia. Ayta ta atyxhmata, ta opoia exoyn ginei kai den einai liga mesa se ena xrono, mhpws deixnoyn oti kati symbainei ki ekei; Sas problhmatizei to qema ayto;

REPPAS: Se aytes tis periptwseis -gnwrizete poly kala- oti ginontai oi endedeigmenes energeies. Ginetai pantote texnikos elegxos prin. Ta aeroskafh katw apo tis sklhres synqhkes -as xrhsimopoihsw ayth th frash- poy petoyn, sto plaisio twn askhsewn, polles fores jepernoyn ta oria ths antoxhs toys me apotelesma aytes tis dysarestes ejelijeis. Einai kati poy antimetwpizoyn oi armodies yphresies. Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio eidikws gia ena tetoio qema.

MIXAHL: Ti prosdoka h kybernhsh apo tis synanthseis toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn k. G. Papandreoy me thn ka Olmprait, ton k. Anan kai idiws, ayrio, me ton k. Tzem;

REPPAS: Prowqoyme tis qeseis mas, oson afora thn proseggish se sygkekrimena qemata. Qeloyme oi qeseis aytes, epeidh akribws sthrizontai stoys kanones toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy h tis apofaseis poy exei labei o OHE, na ginoyn kai qeseis ths dieqnoys koinothtas, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn sto plaisio ayto ta diafora qemata, eite einai to Kypriako, eite einai oi ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis. H symmetoxh toy Ellhna ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, se tetoioy eidoys diaboyleyseis kai syskeceis, einai poly qetiko stoixeio. Eimaste parontes, prowqoyme tis apoceis mas, anamenoyme na deijoyn endiaferon kai na laboyn energo meros sthn prospaqeia gia thn antimetwpish twn sxetikwn problhmatwn kai h kybernhsh twn HPA kai oi Dieqneis Organismoi, o OHE, alla kai h E. E. Ayto to nohma exei h prospaqeia poy kanoyme. Na prowqhsoyme tis qeseis mas, na ginoyn dektes apo tis alles pleyres, na energopoihsoyme akomh perissotero to endiaferon toys.

KARGOYDH: Diabazoyme shmera se dhmosieymata oti epeidh paramenei mia ektimhsh oti to atyxhma ayto htan ejairetika asynhqes, ejetazetai kai to endexomeno, anaferoyn ta dhmosieymata, hlektromagnhtikwn parembolwn apo mhxanhmata, eite entos, eite ektos toy aeroskafoys. Exete ypoch sas an ayto to endexomeno ejetazetai apo toys empeirognwmones;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw se poia kateyqynsh kinoyntai oi energeies twn empeirognwmonwn. Mporw, omws, basima na ektimhsw oti qa ejetasoyn ola ta endexomena. Poly perissotero ekeina ta opoia exoyn anaferqei ws aities, apo martyres, apo ekeinoys poy exoyn kataqesei th dikh toys ekdoxh, gi ayto to tragiko symban. Alla, ayto einai kati to opoio qa to antimetwpisoyn oi empeirognwmones. Den qa to antimetwpisoyme emeis.

MPEKATWROY: Yphrje prosfata kapoia apofash sxetika me thn promhqeia triwn pyraylakatwn;

REPPAS: Sto plaisio toy ejoplistikoy programmatos sas exw anakoinwsei poies apofaseis exoyme labei. Den exoyme kanei allh synedriash, oyte exoyn lhfqei apofaseis, peran toy KYSEA.

MPEKATWROY: Dioti, prin apo dyo hmeres, mia etairia sthn Agglia, h BONSTON, anakoinwse oti prokeitai na promhqeysei thn Ellada me treis pyraylakatoys.

REPPAS: Sas parapempw se anakoinwseis poy exoyme kanei gia to ejoplistiko programma. Oi anakoinwseis aytes aforoyn tis apofaseis poy exoyme labei. Den yparxei tipote allo, ektos apo ayto.

MIXAHL: Qa hqela mia dieykrinish sto idio qema: Kat` arxhn, sthn teleytaia synedriash toy KYSEA mas eixate anakoinwsei oti yphrxan treis prosfores kai eixan ejoysiodothqei armodies yphresies toy ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas na katalhjoyn se mia ej aytwn, afoy kanoyn tis sxetikes diapragmateyseis. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean egine kapoia nea synedriash h yphrje thlefwnikh epikoinwnia twn armodiwn toy KYSEA gia na lhfqei h apofash h elhfqh kat` ejoysiodothsh apo toys strathgoys sto Pentagwno; Einai shmantiko, giati h plhroforia poy kykloforhse...

REPPAS: Apeyqynqeite sto Pentagwno gia oles tis leptomereies. Den gnwrizw me poioys eixan thlefwnikh epikoinwnia to Pentagwno h to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas. Egw gnwrizw poies apofaseis exoyn labei ta kybernhtika organa. Menoyme s` aytes tis apofaseis. Den exei prokycei otidhpote allo.

MIXAHL: Sygnwmh, rwtaw, k. Ypoyrge, giati yparxoyn plhrofories oti oi ypoyrgoi poy symmetexoyn sto KYSEA den synhlqan en organw. Synennohqhkan thlefwnika gia to qema ayto. Rwtaw, yparxei kati tetoio;

REPPAS: Oi apofaseis twn syllogikwn organwn epikyrwnontai apo ta melh twn organwn. Den yparxoyn apofaseis ejw apo ta organa. An to KYSEA eixe labei kapoia apofash qa htan ypoch sas ws apofash toy KYSEA.

BOYZAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, apo tis basikes ptyxes ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, sth legomenh ekpaideytikh metarryqmish, fainetai oti dhmioyrgeitai megalo problhma, meta thn apofash toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias na xarakthristoyn antisyntagmatika ta programmata spoydwn epiloghs. Parallhla, symfwna me thn idia apofash, dhmioyrghqhke problhma, oson afora stoys metejetasteoys poy den edwsan ejetaseis, anaferomai stoys anejetasteoys maqhtes ths Attikhs. Kai ayth thn apofash toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias xarakthrise to Symboylio ths Epikrateias antisyntagmatikh. Ti skeftetai na kanei h kybernhsh gi` ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Qetete dyo qemata: Oson afora ta programmata spoydwn epiloghs den yphrje qema antisyntagmatikothtas toy qesmoy aytoy. To Symboylio ths Epikrateias, me thn apofash tmhmatos toy, anaferetai se diadikastika qemata. To ypoyrgeio Paideias, asfalws qa labei ypoch toy ayth thn apofash kai qa probei stis anagkaies prosarmoges, prokeimenoy na kalycei kai toys spoydastes poy mexri twra exoyn eggrafei kai symmetexoyn s` ayta ta programmata.

Oson afora to qema twn maqhtwn kai twn ejetasewn poy edwsan, to problhma dhmioyrgeitai epeidh to ypoyrgeio Paideias kaleitai na prosdiorisei, atomika pleon, poios maqhths einai seismopaqhs, wste na dikaioytai na akoloyqhsei ayth thn ejairetikh diadikasia poy anakoinwse kai poios den einai kai den dikaioytai na entaxqei s` ayth th diadikasia.

Gnwrizete poly kala, omws -apo thn prwth stigmh to eipame- oti ola ta metra ta opoia anakoinwnei h kybernhsh aforoyn toys seismoplhktoys, anejarthtws toy dhmoy, ths perioxhs sthn opoia katoikoyn. Kai ayto to qema qa antimetwpistei. H kybernhsh qa analabei sxetikes prwtoboylies nomoqetikoy xarakthra, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisei to qema poy exei prokycei apo tis apofaseis toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias, gia na ejomalynqei h katastash. Ara, loipon, qa kanoyme ta deonta meta apo ayth thn apofash toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias.

BITALHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei mia ekqesh toy Steit Ntipartment gia tis atomikes eleyqeries. Yparxei ena kefalaio poy anaferetai sthn Ellada kai diatypwnontai kapoies epishmanseis oti oi moysoylmanoi ths Qrakhs zoyn se kaqestws anisothtas kai oikonomikhs katapieshs. Apodexetai h Ellada aytoys toys xarakthrismoys;

REPPAS: Asfalws, oxi. Oi Ellhnes moysoylmanoi apolambanoyn plhrws twn dikaiwmatwn, opws ta apolambanoyn oloi oi Ellhnes polites. Ayto einai gnwsto. Tetoioy eidoys aitiaseis den eystaqoyn. Makari, kai oi meionotikoi polites poy zoyn se alles xwres na zoyn me tis synqhkes kai to kaqestws poy zoyn oi moysoylmanoi sthn Ellada. Pisteyoyme oti oi synqhkes aytes sthn Ellada briskontai se ena tetoio epipedo poy polles alles xwres qa prepei poly na prospaqhsoyn gia na to katakthsoyn kai na to prosferoyn stoys meionotikoys polites toys. Tetoio qema den yparxei. Bebaiws, diaforoi organismoi, diafores yphresies diatypwnoyn tis apoceis toys. Yparxei, omws, mia pragmatikothta h opoia diaceydei tetoioy eidoys aitiaseis. Qa elega, oti einai mia kathgoria toso "xontrokommenh", poy den xreiazetai emeis na th sxoliasoyme parapera.

BITALHS: Skefteste na kanete kapoia energeia pros to Steit Ntipartment gia na apokatastaqei, en pash periptwsei, ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Den qewroyme oti h eqnikh mas epibiwsh, poreia kai prooptikh, ejartatai apo thn apoch poy exei gia kapoio qema to Steit Ntipartment. Den einai o Qeos to Steit Ntipartment, poy kaqorizei th moira ths Elladas. Emeis exoyme thn politikh mas thn opoia exoyme ejaggeilei. Thn akoloyqoyme me synepeia. H Ellada einai mia dhmokratikh xwra, opoy se kaqestws isonomias kai isopoliteias, oloi oi Ellhnes mporoyn na zoyn kai na proodeyoyn. Ayto isxyei sthn Ellada.

BITALHS: Epeidh anoijame to qema ayto, qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: Me poio skeptiko metabibasthkan oi armodiothtes gia qemata ths meionothtas apo to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn sto ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn kai an gi ayto to qema yparxei apofash h kapoia syzhthsh sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio;

REPPAS: Ta qemata ayta ta antimetwpizoyn oi synarmodies yphresies. Arkoymai na kanw to ejhs sxolio: H moysoylmanikh meionothta apartizetai apo Ellhnes polites. To qema ths moysoylmanikhs meionothtas einai qema eswteriko ths xwras mas, den einai qema ejwterikhs politikhs. Afora to eswteriko ths xwras, afora Ellhnes polites. Ara, loipon, ta qemata ayta ta proseggizoyme me tetoio tropo, wste na mhn epitrepoyme se opoiondhpote na qewrei oti exei logo sthn askhsh ths politikhs poy akoloyqoyme, poly perissotero, otan h politikh ayth den afhnei periqwrio gia opoiesdhpote kathgories kai aitiaseis.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pote qa ypografei to Proedriko Diatagma gia th metabibash twn armodiothtwn;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h diadikasia poy akoloyqeitai einai sygkekrimenh. Den einai aparaithto Proedriko Diatagma. Exei antimetwpistei ayto to qema sto plaisio syskecewn armodiwn kybernhtikwn paragontwn.

Sas eyxaristw.

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