Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-09-13

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 13 Septembrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

* Opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos sto plaisio twn synanthsewn toy me toys politikoys arxhgoys, dexqhke shmera ton arxhgo ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs k. Karamanlh. Meta th synanthsh toys akoloyqhsan dhlwseis.

* Ayth thn wra, dexetai sto Megaro Majimoy ekproswpoys apostolwn twn swstikwn synergeiwn, toso ths ellhnikhs EMAK, oso kai apo alles xwres.

* To apogeyma, stis 6.30, qa proedreysei se syskech poy qa ginei sto Megaro Majimoy, me symmetoxh synarmodiwn ypoyrgwn. Antikeimeno ths syskechs einai h episkophsh ths katastashs kai o elegxos ths efarmoghs twn metrwn poy exei apofasisei h kybernhsh.

* Ayrio, stis 12 to meshmeri, episkeptetai thn Aqhna o proedros ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias k. Klhridhs kai qa exei synomilies me ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo.

* Thn Paraskeyh, stis 10 to prwi, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Qa asxolhqei me ta qemata ths epikairothtas, alla kyrio antikeimeno ths syzhthshs qa einai to ej anabolhs qema ths oikonomikhs politikhs.

Meta to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio o Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei ta grafeia toy PA- SOK opoy qa apeyqynei xairetismo se stelexh toy Kinhmatos.

Edw kai mish wra einai se ejelijh syskech sto ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias me symmetoxh toy ypoyrgoy Giannoy Papantwnioy, toy ypoyrgoy PEXWDE Kwsta Laliwth, toy ypoyrgoy Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn Miltiadh Papaiwannoy kai toy yfypoyrgoy Anaptyjhs Giannh Zafeiropoyloy. O k. Benizelos, logw ypoxrewsewn, brisketai ektos Aqhnwn.

Sth 1.30, qa paraxwrhsoyn synenteyjh Typoy kai qa analysoyn kai ejeidikeysoyn th desmh metrwn poy ejaggeilame tis prohgoymenes hmeres, gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn poy exoyn prokycei meta ton isxyro seismo.

Sas plhroforw en taxei oti ta synergeia poy ekanan to ergo diaswshs se 28 shmeia, mono se ena shmeio synexizoyn thn ergasia toys, sto ergostasio ths RIKOMEJ.

Oi epishmws pistopoihmenoi qanatoi, mexri ayth thn wra, anerxontai stoys 122. Sto ergostasio ths RIKOMEJ yparxoyn akoma 18 egklwbismenoi h agnooymenoi gia toys opoioys ginetai prospaqeia na anasyrqoyn.

Qa moy epitrecete, ejairontas to ergo twn swstikwn synergeiwn, twn dynamewn ths Pyrosbestikhs, twn iatrikwn dynamewn toy EKAB, alla kai twn jenwn apostolwn, na pw gia mia akomh fora oti anesyran 85 polites zwntanoys, mexri twra, apo ta xalasmata, apo ta ereipia ktismatwn poy ypesthsan zhmies. Anesyran 98 nekroys kai synexizoyn thn prospaqeia toys sto sygkekrimeno ergostasio. As eyxhqoyme gia ta kalytera dynata apotelesmata.

Oson afora twra tis ypodomes gia thn proswrinh stegash twn plhgentwn, ews to Sabbato eixan diateqei 15.500 skhnes. Thn Kyriakh, 17.000 skhnes. Shmera, qa doqoyn alles 1.500 skhnes. An synypologistei kai o ariqmos skhnwn poy doqhkan apeyqeias apo ton Eryqro Stayro, apo alloys foreis, organismoys h kai idiwtes, o synolikos ariqmos twn skhnwn poy exei dianemhqei, jeperna ton ariqmo twn 20.000, opws sas eixa anakoinwsei. Exei doqei megalos ariqmos, xiliades, eidwn ameshs anagkhs, opws koybertes, strwmata, xhmikes toyaletes. Sas ypenqymizw oti kanoyme eisagwgh apo to ejwteriko, giati den yparxoyn alles diaqesimes xhmikes toyaletes sthn ellhnikh agora. O ariqmos aytwn poy qa exoyn egkatastaqei, mexri to telos ths hmeras, fqanei peripoy tis 250.

Einai parhgoro to fainomeno oti oi polites olo kai perissotero, jepernwntas tis amfibolies h thn arnhsh twn prwtwn hmerwn, arxizoyn siga-siga kai egkaqistantai stoys organwmenoys kataylismoys opoy exoyn dhmioyrghqei oi proypoqeseis gia thn ygieinh diabiwsh twn politwn poy ej anagkhs gia ena xroniko diasthma qa einai anagkasmenoi na zhsoyn ekei. Exoyn anaptyxqei s` aytoys toys xwroys synolika 30 monades me plhrh yposthrijh gia thn paroxh iatrikhs, noshleytikhs kai koinwnikhs frontidas. Ennow, oti peran twn iatrwn, yparxoyn eidikoi episthmones, koinwnikoi leitoyrgoi, cyxologoi, paidocyxologoi.

Xilioi pentakosioi mhxanikoi asxoloyntai me to ergo ths katagrafhs twn zhmiwn poy exoyn ypostei ktiria. Exoyn elegxqei peripoy 55.000. O elegxos, bebaiws, qa einai emperistatwmenos otan diejaxqei se deyterh fash kai apo toys tomeis apokatastashs seismoplhktwn. Qa proxwrhsoyn se enan poly pio leptomerh elegxo kai qa exoyme mia deyterh qesh, mia deyterh episthmonikh apoch. Apo ta ktiria poy elegxqhkan, exoyn xarakthristei me kokkino shma peripoy 5.500. Me kitrino exoyn xarakthristei peripoy 20.000 kai me prasino peripoy 26.000.

Oson afora thn oikonomikh bohqeia twn 200.000 draxmwn, prepei na einai safes, oti meta thn topoqethsh armodiwn ypallhlwn kai ypologwn stoys kata topoys dhmoys, dinontai oi epitages oi opoies en synexeia ejargyrwnontai apo toys dikaioyxoys sta trapezika katasthmata, ta opoia leitoyrghsan kai tis hmeres ths argias. O ryqmos me ton opoio dianemontai oi epitages aytes, asfalws prepei na epitaxynqei. Prepei na pw oti polles fores kai se kanonikes synqhkes, se dhmosies yphresies dhmioyrgoyntai oyres politwn poy anamenoyn na ejyphrethqoyn. Se mia katastash toso ektakth kai anapantexh san ayth sthn opoia briskomaste, tetoia problhmata yparxoyn. Apla, qa prepei na symbaloyme kai emeis, oloi oi endiaferomenoi, na ta jeperasoyme sto epipedo poy o kaqenas mporei na bohqhsei. Ayto poy qelw na diabebaiwsw einai oti oi trapezes exoyn anoixth grammh, anoixto logariasmo toy Dhmosioy. Ara, den yparxei qema ejasfalishs twn aparaithtwn xrhmatikwn poswn, prokeimenoy na kalyfqoyn oi dikaioyxoi. Ta xrhmata einai sth diaqesh toys. Ejasfalizontas ta analoga pistopoihtika, prokeimenoy na yparxei enas sxetikos elegxos, h anagkaia diafaneia gia thn katanomh aytwn twn xrhmatikwn poswn, mporoyn na proserxontai sta trapezika katasthmata, na ejargyrwnoyn tis epitages poy exoyn labei kai na pairnoyn to antistoixo poso.

Kleinontas, prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, qa moy epitrecete gia mia akoma fora na epanalabw thn anagkh na epideijoyme oloi cyxraimia. Aytes tis krisimes wres apaiteitai h epideijh -sto megisto dynato baqmo- ths allhleggyhs mas pros ekeinoys oi opoioi exoyn pragmatika anagkh th bohqeia mas. Den xreiazetai ekmetalleysh toy anqrwpinoy ponoy.

Antimetwpizoyme me idiaiterh aysthrothta fainomena atajias, diasporas fhmwn, aisxrokerdeias, kerdoskopias. Den qa prepei o ponos twn qymatwn poy eplhghsan apo to seismo, na apotelesei pedio ekmetalleyshs apo diaforoys epithdeioys.

Emeis qa synexisoyme thn prospaqeia poy kanoyme. Pisteyoyme oti ta apotelesmata einai ikanopoihtika. Asfalws yparxoyn problhmata. Enas tetoios seismos dhmioyrgei problhmata me ta opoia qa zhsoyme kai prepei na ta antimetwpisoyme xwris na symfiliwnomaste me ayta. Mas enoxloyn ta problhmata. Omws, den qa prepei na ginoyn shmaia gia thn opoiadhpote morfhs kerdoskopia. Isa-isa, qa prepei na einai to ereqisma, h aformh gia na doylecoyme akomh pio apotelesmatika, wste na beltiwsoyme thn katastash.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

PARIS: Mexri twra exoyme akoysei apo epishma xeilh tria diaforetika noymera gia toys astegoys. To prwto noymero htan 16.000, to deytero 50-60.000 kai xqes, h k. Basw Papandreoy afhse na ennohqei oti mporei na einai kai 100.000. Exei ypoch ths h kybernhsh poios einai o ariqmos twn astegwn;

REPPAS: O ariqmos aytwn poy apokaloyntai "astegoi" prokyptei meta apo dhlwsh twn idiwn twn endiaferomenwn, oi opoioi proserxomenoi stis armodies yphresies dhlwnoyn oti exoyn ypostei zhmies oi katoikies stis opoies mexri protinos diemenan, gi' ayto diekdikoyn kai kata th gnwmh toys prepei na laboyn to ektakto bohqhma poy exei apofasisei kai ejaggeilei h kybernhsh. Qa yparjei enas deyteros gyros elegxoy, asfalws, alla mexri tote emeis eimaste ypoxrewmenoi -kai ayto kanoyme- na antimetwpisoyme aytoys poy zhtoyn th bohqeia mas me kalh pisth. Efoson proserxomenoi se kapoia dhmosia yphresia mazi me ta alla pistopoihtika, ypografoyn kai mia ypeyqynh dhlwsh oti pragmatika den mporoyn na katoikhsoyn sto spiti toys, emeis qa prepei na syntrejoyme toys anqrwpoys aytoys, sth dyskolh katastash poy exoyn perielqei. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, paramenei h anagkh na gnwrizoyme kai emeis, an oloi osoi proserxontai exoyn pragmatika ypostei oi katoikies toys ayth th zhmia h dhlwnoyn oti exoyn zhmies, mono kai mono gia na laboyn kapoio ektakto bohqhma. Den qelw na dextw oti yparxoyn asyneidhtoi, oi opoioi se mia tetoia ektakth katastash prospaqoyn na kerdisoyn, thn wra poy sympolites, alloi anqrwpoi dipla toys, ypoferoyn kai pasxoyn. Omws emeis qa prepei na eimaste gennaiodwroi s' ayth th fash poy briskomaste. Ayto exoyme epilejei na kanoyme, giati pisteyoyme oti o anqrwpinos ponos, akoma kai an me ypokritiko tropo kapoioi ton dhlwnoyn, qa prepei apo mas na tyxei mias kalhs antimetwpishs. Alla, to kratos einai paron, exei tis dynatothtes kai toys mhxanismoys na elegjei kai na epibalei kyrwseis, an diapistwqei oti yparxoyn tetoioy eidoys fainomena.

PARIS: Ariqmos den yparxei;

REPPAS: O ariqmos twn skhnwn poy exei dianemhqei einai 20.000. An skefteite oti se kaqe skhnh mporoyn na meinoyn 6 atoma, antilambaneste oti mporei na kalyfqei enas poly megalos ariqmos politwn apo thn ypodomh ayth. Epiprosqetws, yparxoyn megaloi xwroi, opws einai ta kleista gymnasthria, alla kyriws ta jenodoxeia, opoy tis prwtes hmeres den eixan dexqei kapoioi na egkatastaqoyn ekei, enw twra fainetai oti apoteloyn epilogh anqrwpwn poy exoyn anagkh na ejasfalisoyn proswrina stegh. Ara, loipon, peran twn skhnwn, yparxoyn kai alloy ypodomes oi opoies xrhsimopoioyntai. Pantws, oi anqrwpoi poy dhlwnoyn oti einai astegoi, einai dekades xiliades. Emeis prepei na toys antimetwpisoyme oloys aytoys san na einai pragmatika astegoi. Den mporoyme na kanoyme diakrish s' ayth th fash poy briskomaste.

PARIS: Apo perioxes poy exoyn ychlh seismikothta, opws h paraliakh h to Xalandri kai alles perioxes, yparxoyn polloi poy an kai den exoyn dei zhmies sta spitia toys, anhsyxoyn omws giati ta spitia toys kataskeyasthkan prin apo to 1995, dhladh prin apo ton teleytaio antiseismiko kanonismo. Oi anqrwpoi aytoi exoyn th dynatothta, se mia deyterh fash, na erqoyn synergeia apo to YPEXWDE, na elegjoyn tis katoikies toys;

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti s' aytes tis periptwseis xreiazetai kai aytenergeia. Nomizw oti oi idioi oi polites poy katoikoyn se mia polykatoikia h kai se monokatoikia, mporoyn na kalesoyn toys kataskeyastes -toys gnwrizoyn- na kanoyn mia prwth ektimhsh ths katastashs toy ktirioy. Aytoi poy exoyn kataskeyasei ena ktirio einai aytoi poy gnwrizoyn kai ta stoixeia toy ktirioy, kalytera apo kaqe allon. Mporoyn aytoi, loipon, na toys prosferoyn thn prwth diabebaiwsh gia thn katallhlothta toy ktirioy toys. Nomizw, oti kalo einai na to kanoyn ayto. Mhn perimenoyme apo tis dhmosies yphresies, oi opoies ayth thn wra exoyn epifortistei me ena toso shmantiko ergo, na asxolhqoyn kai me ayto. As asxolhqoyn, alla se mia epomenh fash. Den einai toy parontos. As exoyn ta pragmata mia logikh seira.

MOYRTZHS: Meletatai h metegkatastash oloklhrwn synoikiwn poy exoyn plhgei se alles asfalesteres perioxes kati poy proypoqetei entajh sto sxedio polews allwn perioxwn;

REPPAS: Ayto to qema poy qetete einai poly shmantiko. H qesh ths kybernhshs, to anakoinwsame allwste ayto, einai oti den qa yparxei epektash sxediwn polhs se perioxes oi opoies den exoyn kriqei ws katallhles kai apo apoch seismikothtas. Opws epishs, oi nees katoikies poy qa dhmioyrghqoyn -opoy dhmioyrghqoyn- qa prepei, metajy twn allwn na exoyn meleth h opoia qa diasfalizei oti to edafos sto opoio anegeirontai einai asfales, den einai seismogenes. Ayto einai kati poy mas apasxolei. Bebaiws kai se perioxes poy yparxei seismogeneia, prepei na sas pw oti polla ktismata yparxoyn kai den einai mono oi perioxes aytes poy eplhghsan twra. Olh h Ellada peripoy, mporei na pei kaneis oti einai mia seismogenhs perioxh. Ara ypo mia ennoia oloi briskomaste mesa sth zwnh toy kindynoy. Den mporei ayth thn wra na dhmioyrghqei ena problhma, to opoio qa moy epitrecete na pw oti den eimaste kai ikanoi na to antimetwpisoyme, giati den jeroyme poia apo ta rhgmata ta opoia yparxoyn sthn Ellada, mporei na energopoihqoyn. Olh h Ellada einai seismogenhs.

MOYRTZHS: Gia thn Attikh, se perioxes poy den einai seismogeneis...

REPPAS: Jerete oti kai h perioxh ayth ths Parnhqas edw kai konta 300 xronia, den exei paroysiasei kanena problhma. Alla ta teleytaia 300 xronia oi oikismoi poy exoyn anaptyxqei s' ayth thn perioxh einai para polloi. Exei allajei h och ths perioxhs. Alla, einai poly swsto ayto poy eipate oti h epektash twn sxediwn polhs, qa lambanei ypoch, metajy twn allwn kai thn katallhlothta toy edafoys, apo apoch seismikothtas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti arxisan kai phgainoyn oloi se skhnes. Akoysa omws oti ston Aspropyrgo den exei pathsei kaneis. Oyte sthn Eleysina. Giati ekei den phgan; Ti symbainei;

REPPAS: Den einai etsi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Akoysa kai ton k. Pagkalo poy to elege kai malista shmera se mia synenteyjh toy zhtaei na fygei kapoios ypoyrgos.

REPPAS: Den einai swstes oi plhrofories poy exete. Prepei na sas pw oti aceydhs martyras twn oswn lew einai to oti me prwtoboylia ths h armodia ypoyrgos Basw Papandreoy, sygkalese syskeceis me symmetoxh twn forewn ths Aytodioikhshs, sta 4 Nomarxiaka Diamerismata. Kai sthn Eleysina, gnwrizete poly kala, oti breqhke kai syzhthse ta sxetika qemata. Exei dhmioyrghqei ena qema -kai pisteyw oti ejomalynetai h katastash oso pernoyn oi wres- to opoio egkeitai sto oti oi polites htan aproqymoi na egkatastaqoyn se xwroys opoy eixan topoqethqei skhnes. Prepei na sas pw oti ayto jepernietai. Antilambanontai oloi oti bebaiws kalo einai na briskontai oso ginetai pio konta sto spiti toys poy exei paqei kapoia zhmia kai den katoikeitai, alla qa prepei ston topo poy qa zhsoyn, proswrina estw, na exoyme ejasfalisei mesw twn katallhlwn ypodomwn, synqhkes ygieinhs diabiwshs. Den einai efikto ayto, otan kaqenas topoqetei mia skhnh ston topo poy ekeinos epilegei. Oi skhnes topoqetoyntai etsi wste na yparxei prosbash sta diktya apoxeteyshs, ydreyshs, energeias. Yparxei kai kati allo: Prokeitai na dhmioyrghqoyn oikismoi me lyomena spitia se Dhmoys, se perioxes oi opoies qa eprepe na eixan ypodeixqei edw kai kairo apo tis dhmotikes arxes. Dystyxws, ayto den exei ginei, ginetai molis twra. Gi' ayto akribws exei kaqysterhsei ayto to ergo. Stis egkatastaseis aytes anoigontai dromoi, ginontai oi aparaithtes diktyakes syndeseis. Dhmioyrgeitai dhladh enas oikismos, ston opoio mporei kapoios na zhsei me ajioprepeis synqhkes. Emeis ola ayta qeloyme na exoyn proswrino xarakthra. Aytos einai o stoxos mas. Apo thn allh omws, oso proswrinos ki an einai aytos o xarakthras, einai yparktos. Kai kapoio diasthma kapoioi -ayth einai h alhqeia- qa zhsoyn se tetoies egkatastaseis. Qa prepei, loipon, na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata prin dhmioyrghqoyn. Dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata ygeias gia paradeigma, otan polloi zoyn s' ena xwro xwris proypoqeseis. Kai an qelete, mporoyme na anaferqoyme me leptomereies gia to ti kaname gia na antimetwpisoyme ayta ta problhmata. Exoyme egkatasthsei cygeia, exoyme dhmioyrghsei alles ypodomes, prokeimenoy na einai o tropos zwhs oso ginetai kalyteros, katw bebaia apo aytes tis ektaktes synqhkes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh gia polla xronia qa briskontai katw apo aytes tis synqhkes;

REPPAS: Den eipa tetoio pragma. Otan kati einai proswrino, den mporei na isxyei gia xronia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai gia to Aigio proswrina legate oti einai kai akoma diamenoyn se konteiner oi anqrwpoi.

REPPAS: Den einai etsi. Kai lypoymai dioti para polloi synadelfoi sas kai sta radiothleoptika MME, paroysiazoyn ta qemata me tropo monopleyro. Giati, bebaiws kapoioi me ta metra poy exoyme ejaggeilei exoyn th dynatothta, ajiopoiwntas ta na ktisoyn ta spitia toys. An kapoioi den ajiopoioyn ta metra ths Politeias, den apologeitai h Politeia gi' ayto. Kapoioi oyte daneia hqelan na paroyn, oyte ajiopoihsan ayth thn oikonomikh bohqeia poy dwsame kai synexizoyn na menoyn ekei poy gia prwth fora kai me proswrino xarakthra toys eixame topoqethsei. Ftaiei to kratos gi' ayto;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy den ftanei to daneio. An den exeis na baleis ta alla misa kai parapanw...

REPPAS: Otan dinetai to 1/3 dwrean kai to ypoloipo daneio 15etoys diarkeias einai atoko, pisteyw oti yparxei ayth h dynatothta. Epanalambanw einai mia ektakth katastash. Yparxoyn polloi -kai milw gia tis periptwseis twn prohgoymenwn seismwn- poy den xrhsimopoihsan ayth th desmh metrwn poy kai tote eixame ejaggeilei kai protimhsan na meinoyn s' ayth thn katastash. To kratos den htan se qesh -oyte pote eipame kati analogo- na toys dwsei dwrean, kaq' oloklhria dwrean, ena kainoyrgio spiti. Pote den to eipe kaneis ayto. Toys prosferame atoka daneia me eynoikoys oroys. Toys prosferame oikonomikh bohqeia. Analabame ena megalo meros toy kostoys, to 1/3 toy kostoys gia na ftiaxtei to spiti. Ayto kanoyme kai twra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: An omws den exeis, den mporeis na ktiseis.

REPPAS: Mh dinete omws thn entypwsh oti ayta ta opoia eixame ejaggeilei tote, den isxysan. Isxysan. Kai gi' ayto akribws osoi -kai einai oi poly perissoteroi -ajiopoihsan ta metra ayta den antimetwpizoyn pleon problhma. Einai allo to ena, allo to allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ta idia metra proteinete kai twra, 200.000 to 1981,200.000 kai twra.

REPPAS: Yparxei h prosqeth enisxysh gia ekeinoys poy yphrjan qymata aytoy toy seismoy, enw briskontan ston topo doyleias. Twra yparxoyn epiprosqeta metra. Alla, qa moy epitrecete na pw -giati kanete ki eseis to idio laqos, fantazomai oxi hqelhmena, poy kanei kai h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh- oti kakws anafereste sto 1981 legontas oti eixame dwsei enisxysh 200.000 draxmwn. Milame gi` ayth th 10etia, milame gia liga xronia prin, den milame gia to 1981. Ara, mhn kanete ayto to laqos. Oi 200.000 isxyoyn ta xronia ayta, den isxysan to 1981. Mhn kanete ayto to laqos, na lete oti to 1981 dwsate 200.000, tosa dinete kai twra, meta apo peripoy 20 xronia. Den einai etsi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sto Loytraki kai sthn Peraxwra posa dwsate;

REPPAS: Den yphrxe ayth h desmh metrwn, h opoia isxyse gia prwth fora meta toys seismoys Grebenwn kai Kozanhs. Twra isxyei epayjhmenh se orismenes periptwseis poy xreiazontai perissoterh bohqeia. Ayto kanoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kanate kapoia oikonomikh meleth gia to kostos twn zhmiwn; Giati akoysame kati gia 250 disekatommyria draxmes; Mono toso einai;

REPPAS: Eipa apo thn prwth hmera oti qa htan epipolaio kapoios na apotimhsei se xrhma to kostos. Milhsa gia polles ekatontades disekatommyria draxmes, poy qa kostisei olh ayth h prospaqeia gia thn anasygkrothsh kai thn epanafora se omalo tropo zwhs. Nomizw oti to kostos einai ychlo. Me akribeia qa mporoyme na milhsoyme meta apo arketes hmeres. Kai, pantws, to kostos ayto qa to analabei h ellhnikh oikonomia, se baqos xronoy, me thn enisxysh h opoia qa doqei apo diafores alles phges. H Eyrwpaikh Enwsh h kapoioi idiwtes me th syneisfora toys, kai einai ajiepainoi gi` ayto, bohqoyn toys sympolites mas na antimetwpisoyn ta problhmata toys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Rwtaw giati syzhteitai shmera to qema ths oikonomikhs bohqeias.

REPPAS: Den mporei kaneis na sas pei me akribeia poio einai to poson. Milame gia ekatontades disekatommyria draxmes. Giati, bebaiws, an ypologiseis orismena metra mporeis na katalhjeis se ena poso. Alla, ta metra einai toso polla kai h ejeidikeysh toys einai tetoia poy den soy epitrepei na exeis mia akribh eikona. Einai, pantws, poly megalo to kostos. Poly perissotero otan exoyme -kai pairnw aformh apo thn erwthsh toy k. Paris- proseleysh pollwn politwn, poy einai amfibolo pragmatika an exoyn anagkh. Gi ayto eipa oti ayth thn krisimh wra prepei na epideijoyme allhleggyh sto megisto baqmo gia na wfelhqoyme kai na mhn ekmetalleyomaste tis eykairies poy parexontai me antikoinwnikes kai paranomes drasthriothtes. Ayta einai pragmata ta opoia nomizw oti oloi ta apodokimazoyme. Emeis qa ta antimetwpisoyme -epanalambanw- me idiaiterh aysthrothta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite, oti mpainoyn alloi poy den exoyn anagkh; Dhladh, einai mh seismoplhktoi kai... mpainoyn mesa...;

REPPAS: Den eipa ayto. Milhsa gia to oti yparxei mia proseleysh xiliadwn politwn poy emeis toys antimetwpizoyme me kalh pisth. Kaname ektetamenh syzhthsh gi ayto to qema sthn arxh me aformh thn erwthsh synadelfoy sas.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qelw na sas rwthsw, ean symfwneite me thn apoch poy diatypwse shmera o k. Pagkalos, oti prepei na paraithqei kapoios ypoyrgos, kapoios synadelfos sas gia ta problhmata poy dhmioyrghqhkan me th dianomh skhnwn kai toy bohqhmatos twn 200.000 draxmwn;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, h anagnwrish apo oloys, kai apo ton k. Pagkalo, ths ameshs kai apotelesmatikhs kinhtopoihshs toy kratikoy mhxanismoy, einai qetiko stoixeio. Giati deixnei oti mia prospaqeia anagnwrizetai. Bebaiws, oi ypoyrgoi kanoyn oti einai anqrwpinws dynato, prokeimenoy na feroyn se peras to ergo poy toys exei anateqei. O Prwqypoyrgos einai epikefalhs ayths ths prospaqeias poy kanei h kybernhsh gia na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata. Eimaste se mia krisimh fash. Den jeperasame to problhma, eimaste mesa sto problhma. Kai ayth thn wra qa prepei oloi oi ypoyrgoi na synexisoyn dinontas o kaqenas ton kalytero eayto toy, prokeimenoy na exoyme to aristo apotelesma. Se ayth th fash eimaste twra. Oloi oi ypoyrgoi prosferoyn to kalytero dynato ergo.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: O k. Pagkalos den einai kapoios tyxaios boyleyths. Einai melos toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy, prwhn ypoyrgos kai koryfaio stelexos toy kommatos. Den dhmioyrgei politiko problhma, h shmerinh topoqethsh toy;

REPPAS: Den dhmioyrgei kanena politiko problhma. O Prwqypoyrgos, o opoios parakoloyqei apo konta pws ejelissetai ayth h prospaqeia twn armodiwn kybernhtikwn organwn, exei amesh gnwsh kai einai aytos, o opoios dinei ton tono sthn prospaqeia poy kanoyme. Pisteyw oti einai ikanopoihtikh h prospaqeia. Den qa prepei na egkataleicoyme th maxh poy dinoyme, otan h maxh einai se ejelijh, den exei oloklhrwqei. Kai oi ypoyrgoi, para ta problhmata poy exoyn parathrhqei, pisteyoyme oti antapokrinontai poly kala sto rolo toys.

PARIS: Yparxei mia sygkekrimenh perioxh, to Menidi, poy exei poly perissotera problhmata apo alles. Kai ap` oti fainetai h aitia gi ayto to pragma einai h dynatothta ths dhmotikhs arxhs na drasei, toylaxiston ayto lene oi katoikoi. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean yparxei kapoios allos dromos, ektos apo tis fwnes poy bazete...

REPPAS: Ola ayta ta qemata, ta opoia aforoyn thn Aytodioikhsh, tis armodiothtes ths kai tis eyqynes poy isws exoyn prokycei, qa ta syzhthsei ej oswn gnwrizw o Dhmarxos Menidioy me toys katoikoys ths polhs, se mia synanthsh poy qa exoyn meta apo ligh wra. Oson afora twra to kratos: H kybernhsh, apo thn prwth stigmh, otan diapistwqhke oti yparxoyn tetoioy eidoys fainomena dysleitoyrgias, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn ta problhmata poy proekycan, exei aposteilei ekei stelexh toy kentrikoy mhxanismoy, ths kentrikhs dioikhshs, to Geniko Grammatea Perifereias kai to Geniko Grammatea toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs. H paroysia twn stelexwn aytwn poy epopteysan kai kathyqynan tis epixeirhseis eixe apotelesmata. Dhmioyrghqhkan kataylismoi, sthqhkan skhnes, ginetai trofodosia me ikanopoihtiko tropo kai pisteyw oti ta problhmata poy yparxoyn, akomh, qa jeperastoyn grhgora. Sas eipa oti eimaste se mia krisimh, lepth fash. Einai mia ektakth katastash. Oi oyres, poy dhmioyrgoyn ayth thn entypwsh otan proballontai apo ta MME, prepei na sas pw oti einai ena fainomeno to opoio parathreitai syxna, otan polloi, se mikro xroniko diasthma, zhtoyn na ejyphrethqoyn. Poly perissotero otan h katastash ayth dhmioyrgeitai apo ena anapantexo gegonos. Mas problhmatizoyn ayta ta qemata, alla, bebaiws, qa prepei me cyxraimia kai apotelesmatikothta na ta antimetwpisoyme. Den einai wra gia antidikies kai antiparaqeseis, oi opoies einai epizhmies, peran toy oti einai perittes. Einai wra gia synergasia, gia synennohsh prokeimenoy na exoyme to kalytero apotelesma.

NIKOLAOY: Yparxoyn kataggelies apo anqrwpoys poy exoyn egkataleicei ta spitia toys gia klopes, lehlasies k. lp. H kybernhsh qa parei ektakta metra gi ayto;

REPPAS: Peripoy 10.000 andres peripoloyn, prokeimenoy na diasfalisoyn synqhkes tajhs stis perioxes poy exoyn plhgei. Oktw xiliades astynomikoi kai peripoy dyo xiliades stratiwtes exoyn entaxqei se aytes tis peripolies. Ta fainomena ayta, sta opoia anafereste oi armodies yphresies ta ejetazoyn. Qa ta antimetwpisoyme me ameilikto tropo. Alla, den prepei h eikona poy dhmioyrgeitai na einai eikona mias genikeymenhs atajias, lehlasiwn h klopwn, giati ayto den symbainei. As bgoyn kapoioi epwnymws, me sygkekrimena stoixeia, na kataggeiloyn. Pantws, ta fainomena ayta qa antimetwpistoyn. Alla, apo tis prwtes wres, yparxoyn peripolies gia th fylajh twn ktiriwn. Kai pisteyw oti twra pia exoyn ginei apotelesmatikes. Omws, oi kataggelies poy exoyn diapistwqei den einai toses kai tetoies se ariqmo, wste na dikaiologoyn ayth thn kathgoria.

Eyxaristw poly.

SHMEIWSH: H ayrianh (14.9) politikh enhmerwsh qa ginei stis 14.00.

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