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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 10 Septembrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase, shmera to prwi, to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio me qema ton prosfato isxyro seismo. Oloi gnwrizete oti o seismos aytos exei monopwlhsei to endiaferon ths koinhs gnwmhs kai ayto einai fysiologiko.

Gia thn kybernhsh, h antimetwpish twn synepeiwn poy exoyn prokycei apotelei prwto, kentriko qema. Kanoyme oti einai anqrwpinws dynato, me syntonismenh prospaqeia kai sygkekrimeno sxedio, wste na symbaloyme na leitoyrghsei, kai pali, to syntomotero dynato, omala h koinwnia mas sto sygkrothma ths Aqhnas, poy eplhgh idiaiterws. Ayto einai to kentriko qema poy mas apasxolei. Taytoxrona, synexizoyme thn prospaqeia mas, anaptyssontas politikes prwtoboylies, pairnontas apofaseis kai metra, se oloys toys tomeis poy apasxoloyn th xwra kai to lao. H zwh synexizetai. H Ellada prepei na epidiwjei na epitygxanei oloys toys stoxoys poy exei qesei. Ara, loipon, qa prepei na labete ypoch sas, oti h prospaqeia poy kanoyme gia na antimetwpisoyme tis synepeies toy seismoy, anaptyssetai mazi me thn kaqhmerinh doyleia twn organwn ths kybernhshs gia thn antimetwpish olwn twn allwn problhmatwn. Idiaterws, oson afora to qema toy seismoy, poy proekyce toso anapantexa, h kybernhsh dinei maxh me sobarothta, allhleggyh kai syllogikothta, etsi wste afenos ta apotelesmata, gia thn antimetwpish twn prwtwn anagkwn twn plhgentwn na einai ta kalytera dynata, ta arista kai afeteroy na ejasfalisoyme mesoproqesma tis synqhkes, tis proypoqeseis poy qa prosferoyn stoys sympolites mas poy exoyn plhgei ajiopreph diabiwsh.

Exoyn moirastei 12.000 skhnes, mexri ayth thn wra, prokeimenoy na xrhsimopoihqoyn apo astegoys. Mexri th Deytera ypologizoyme o ariqmos aytos na exei jeperaseis tis 20.000. Ypenqymizw oti se kaqe skhnh mporoyn na filojenhqoyn eji atoma. Ayto, bebaiws, qewrhtika symbainei, sthn prajh den ginetai, giati kaqenas qa hqele monos toy h me toys dikoys toy anqrwpoys na meinei se mia skhnh. Para tayta, o ariqmos twn skhnwn einai megalos kai, pantws, ypereparkei prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme tis anagkes.

Exoyn dhmioyrghqei, hdh, oi prwtoi kataylismoi -treis sto Menidi kai treis sta Anw Liosia- me th bohqeia toy Stratoy. Treis xiliades stratiwtes exoyn kinhtopoihqei kai prosferoyn thn yphresia toys se polloys tomeis. H prospaqeia gia th dhmioyrgia ayths ths ypodomhs ginetai se synergasia me toys OTA, me thn kaqodhghsh kai ton elegxo klimakiwn twn kentrikwn yphresiwn poy exoyn metabei epitopoy kai epiblepoyn kai kateyqynoyn ayto to ergo. Ypenqymizw, akomh, oti megaloi xwroi, gymnasthria, jenodoxeia, kataskhnwseis, ploia, einai sth diaqesh aytwn poy xreiazontai katalyma, epeidh akribws ta spitia sta opoia stegazontan exoyn ypostei zhmies. Epanalambanw thn prathrhsh oti, synhqws, oi polites den metakinoyntai makrya apo thn perioxh poy brisketai to spiti toys. Etsi, para to oti exoyme sth diaqesh mas enan megalo ariqmo klinwn kai xwrwn den xrhsimopoioyntai sto baqmo poy ayto qa mporoyse na ginei, epeidh akribws oloi protimoyn na meinoyn sth geitonia -oyte kan sthn eyryterh perioxh h sto Dhmo toys- opoy brisketai to spiti sto opoio, mexri protinos, diemenan.

O elegxos poy exei ginei se ktismata, mexri twra, se 33 Dhmoys afora, peripoy, 12.000 ktismata. Apo ayta, opws exei prokycei meta apo ton elegxo, ta 1.700 exoyn xarakthristei me kokkino shma, ara einai akatallhla pros katoikhsh, ta 4.500 exoyn xarakthristei me to kitrino shma, ara se ayta prepei na ginoyn episkeyes, anakataskeyes, prokeimenoy na katoikhqoyn kai ta ypoloipa, peripoy 5.500, xarakthristhkan me prasino shma kai epomenws exoyn kriqei ws apolytws katallhla na katoikhqoyn.

Pera apo ola ayta exoyme sth diaqesh mas -kai qa xrhsimopoihqoyn amesws- arketes ekatontades, peripoy 800 konteiner, prokeimenoy na dhmioyrghsoyme ayth thn ypodomh se plhrh anaptyjh twn kataylismwn kai na prosferoyme se oloys stegh. Epishmainw oti, epeidh akribws oi kataylismoi aytoi prepei na dhmioyrghqoyn stis perioxes poy exoyn plhgei, den yparxoyn se oles tis periptwseis prosferomenoi h katallhloi xwroi gia th dhmioyrgia ayths ths ypodomhs, aytwn twn egkatastasewn.

Oi dynameis toy Pyrosbestikoy Swmatos klhqhkan thn prwth hmera na anaptyjoyn drasthriothta se 50 shmeia. Antapokriqhkan amesws se oles tis periptwseis. Ayqhmeron oloklhrwsan tis ergasies toys se 22 shmeia kai synexisan na ergazontai sta 28. Shmera, synexizoyn na ergazontai se eji shmeia. Sta ypoloipa exoyn oloklhrwsei to ergo toys. Ta shmeia ayta einai ta ergostasia Rikomej, Foyrlhs kai Faran kai tria akomh shmeia poy aforoyn ktismata, polykatoikies poy katereysan sto Menidi kai sth Metamorfwsh. Einai qesh, poy thn exoyme diatypwsei kai thn epanalambanw kai paramenei staqerh, na synexistoyn oi ereynes mexri na entopisoyme kai ton teleytaio egklwbismeno h agnooymeno mesa sta xalasmata. Se ayth th fash einai twra oi dynameis toy Eidikoy Swmatos ths Pyrosbestikhs, prokeimenoy na anasyroyn -makari, zwntanoys- osoys exoyn egklwbistei.

To kostos twn metrwn poy exoyme anakoinwsei krinetai oti einai bato gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia. Mporoyme na to antimetwpisoyme me bash tis oikonomikes dynatothtes poy exoyme ws xwra kai, malista, amesws. To kostos ayto qa kalyfqei apo to programma dhmosiwn ependysewn, apo thn enisxysh poy anamenetai na apofasistei sto plaisio ths E. E. kai, bebaiws, mesw ths diadikasias xorhghshs daneiwn apo megales dieqneis trapezes. Prepei na pw, mias kai miloyme gia kostos, oti ena megalo meros, isws to megalytero, einai ayto poy afora thn epidothsh ths kataskeyhs newn ktiriwn gia toys astegoys. Gnwrizete oti h kybernhsh apofasise thn kalych toy 1/3 toy kostoys kataskeyhs enos neoy diamerismatos, mias neas katoikias, mexri toy embadoy twn 120 t. m. opws epishs kai thn epidothsh twn daneiwn gia thn kataskeyh twn ktismatwn aytwn. Yparxei, bebaia kai ena megalo kostos to opoio qa prepei na analaboyme gia tis episkeyes, tis anakainiseis poy prepei na ginoyn sta dhmosia ktiria, giati kai ayta exoyn ypostei zhmies. Ta xrhmata ta opoia apaitoyntai, gia na yposthrixqoyn oles aytes oi energeies, na efarmostoyn, to syntomotero dynato, ta metra poy exoyme ejaggeilei, einai sth diaqesh twn endiaferomenwn forewn. Ara, yparxei amesh roh, amesh ektamieysh, prokeimenoy na efarmostoyn amesws ayta poy exoyme anakoinwsei.

Epanalambanw, oti sthn prospaqeia ayth, me syllogiko tropo symmetexoyn yphresies kai foreis poy -pisteyoyme- synergazontai, mexri twra, me tropo perissotero apo ikanopoihtiko. Den tolmw na xrhsimopoihsw th lejh "acoga", parolo oti isws antapokrinetai sta pragmata se para polles periptwseis.

Oi xiliades stratiwtes, fer` eipein, synergazontai me toys 8.000 astynomikoys kai kanoyn mazi toys peripolies, prokeimenoy na diafylajoyn th dhmosia tajh se perioxes poy exoyn plhgei, opoy exoyn egkataleifqei ktiria, katasthmata, spitia. Metaferoyn antikeimena, bohqoyn sth metafora twn oikodomikwn ylikwn sta ktiria poy exoyn katarreysei, metaferoyn mpaza.

Oi giatroi, idiaiterws h eidikh monada toy EKAB, prosferoyn pragmatika polytimotath bohqeia. Qa elega oti h synergasia toy EKAB me tis dynameis twn EKAM einai kyriolektika acogh. Katorqwsame na swsoyme toses zwes, epeidh akribws molis entopizotan kai anasyrotan kapoios apo toys egklwbismenoys, htan ekei paroyses oi dynameis twn EKAB me tis eidikes gnwseis kai thn empeiria poy exoyn, wste na prosferoyn amesh iatrikh bohqeia kai etsi na diasfalisoyme oti den diatrexei pleon kanena kindyno. Molis, dhladh, oi dynameis twn EKAM katorqwnan na feroyn sthn epifaneia estw ena xeri kapoioy egklwbismenoy, aytomatws oi giatroi toy proseferan tis yphresies toys kai mporoyme na poyme oti eixame fqasei se ena shmeio na miloyme me bebaiothta, pleon, oti o anqrwpos aytos exei swqei. Dystyxws o apologismos einai qliberos. Exoyme 95 nekroys. Apo thn allh, prepei na pw oti apo to synolo twn traymatiwn den xaqhke oyte enas. Akomh kai ekeinoi poy eixan sobara traymata, oloi xairoyn akras ygeias, ektos tessarwn synanqrwpwn mas, poy pragmatika diatrexoyn kapoio kindyno, o opoios omws den einai kindynos gia thn apwleia ths zwhs toys. Xreiazontai epistamenh iatrikh bohqeia.

Stoys kataylismoys kai tis egkatastaseis poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei gia na ypodexqoyn kai na filojenhsoyn astegoys -to idio qa ginei kai s` aytes poy qa dhmioyrghqoyn tis epomenes hmeres- einai paronta synergeia me antiproswpeytikh synqesh episthmonwn, iatrwn, akomh kai cyxologwn kai paidocyxologwn, gia na prosferoyn th bohqeia toys stoys polites poy exoyn perielqei s` ayth thn ektakth katastash anagkhs.

Epanalambanoyme thn apolyth qesh mas oti o elegxos o opoios, meta apo entoles poy exoyn doqei, dienergeitai gia eyqynes oson afora thn orqh kataskeyh twn ktiriwn kai thn katallhlothta toys na xrhsimopoihqoyn, qa einai aysthros. Qa apodoqoyn oi eyqynes. Emeis enqarrynoyme na epideixqei akraia aysthrothta. To epitrepei to isxyon nomiko plaisio, me bash to N. 2331/1995, arqro 20. par. 5 a, poy orioqetei thn enarjh ths paragrafhs toy atyxhmatos apo thn hmera epeleyshs toy zhmiogonoy apotelesmatos, ths nomikhs parabashs. Ayth h diafora sto nomiko kaqestws, se sxesh me oti isxye prohgoymena xronia, prin to ' 95, dinei pragmatika th dynatothta na apodoqoyn oi eyqynes s` aytoys poy tis exoyn.

Oson afora, twra, to epidoma twn 200.000 draxmwn poy qa doqei ws ektakth oikonomikh bohqeia se kaqe oikogeneia, hdh, ta xrhmata exoyn metabibastei. Me bash apofash poy exei ekdoqei, oi Nomarxiakes Aytodioikhseis qa prepei na exoyn aposteilei ypallhloys toys kai na exoyn orisei armodioys ypologoys se kaqe dhmo, stoys dhmoys poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei ta problhmata, prokeimenoy na proserxontai oi endiaferomenoi, me epideijh ths taytothtas toys, me pistopoihsh ths akatallhlothtas toy ktirioy sto opoio diemenan kai me mia ypeyqynh dhlwsh, na paralambanoyn ta xrhmata.

Den qa mpw se leptomereies. Den qelw na sas koyrasw, gia ta metra ta opoia, allwste, einai gnwsta, qa ejeidikeyqoyn mexri teleytaias leptomereias apo toys armodioys ypoyrgoys kai qa anakoinwqoyn, sto synolo toys, apo th Deytera. Mporw na pw, shmera, oti peran ths bohqeias ayths, oi syntajioyxoi diaforwn asfalistikwn forewn qa laboyn mia ektakth oikonomikh bohqeia 120.000 draxmwn o kaqenas. Opws, epishs, peran twn oswn problepontai gia aytoys poy xanoyn th zwh toys, qewroyme oti oi ergazomenoi stis sygkekrimenes biomhxanies, s` aytoys toys xwroys doyleias, yphrjan qymata ergatikoy atyxhmatos. O OAED, peran olwn twn allwn poy dikaioyntai oi oikogeneies twn qymatwn, stis poly sygkekrimenes periptwseis oikogeneiwn poy eixan nekroys,, proxwra se mia ektakth oikonomikh enisxysh me 3.000.000 draxmes se kaqe oikogeneia.

Parallhla, peran ths epidothshs enoikioy gia thn opoia sas exoyme milhsei, apofasisame shmera na doqei kai epidoma sygkatoikhshs se aytoys oi opoioi qa epilejoyn -kai ayto leitoyrgei ws kinhtro kai lynei para polla problhmata h efarmogh enos tetoioy metroy- na sygkatoikhsoyn me syggeneis, me filoys, sto spiti sto opoio oi syggeneis h oi filoi toys diamenoyn kai bebaia, einai katallhlo gia na filojenei oikogeneies. Einai ena metro to opoio kriqhke oti mporei na apodeixqei poly apotelesmatiko kai na exei, an qelete, amfipleyrh wfeleia. To epidoma ayto, einai ycoys 80.000 draxmwn to mhna, opws dhladh kai h epidothsh enoikioy, kai to lambanoyn oi plhgentes apo tis armodies yphresies. Apo ekei kai pera, eite se diamerisma to opoio qa noikiasoyn, eite se diamerisma syggenwn opoy qa epilejoyn na diamenoyn, qa exoyn apo th dikh mas pleyra, gia tis ypoxrewseis enoikioy poy antimetwpizoyn, 80.000 draxmes to mhna.

Qelw na prosqesw oti brisketai sthn kentrikh Nomoparaskeyastikh Epitroph to nomosxedio toy YPEXWDE poy afora thn aytasfalish gia ktiriakes oikodomes. Qa prowqhqei kai qa chfistei amesws.

Epishs, oson afora thn epektash twn sxediwn polhs, lambanetai eidikh merimna, wste h epektash ayth na mh ginetai se perioxes seismogeneis. Dhladh, sthn katartish twn sxediwn polewn, ths epektashs toys, metajy twn allwn lambanetai ypoch kaqoristika, qa elega, kai aytos o paragwn. Den arkei na yparjei mia eleyqerh ektash sthn opoia mporei na anaptyxqei ena oikistiko sygkrothma. Prepei na einai kai apo ayth thn apoch katallhlh h ektash ayth.

Epishs, apofasisame shmera na proxwrhsoyme sth dhmioyrgia enos aysthroy mhxanismoy elegxoy twn idiwtikwn kataskeywn. Dhladh, peran twn oswn mexri shmera isxyoyn, to kratos qa exei th dynatothta na elegxei thn poiothta kai thn katallhlothta twn ktiriwn poy kataskeyazoyn idiwtikes etairies.

Epiqymoyme to syntomotero dynato, opws gia ola ta metra poy exoyme apofasisei, na doqoyn ta daneia apo tis trapezes, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsoyme sthn anasygkrothsh toy paragwgikoy istoy kai ths kaqhmerinhs zwhs twn politwn. Sto plaisio ayto qa klhqei h Enwsh Trapezwn -kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo- na symbalei apo th dikh ths pleyra, sth grhgorh, amesh egkrish twn daneiwn kai thn taxytath ektamieysh twn xrhmatwn poy egkrinontai, prokeimenoy na apodidontai stoys dikaioyxoys.

O Prwqypoyrgos episkeptetai tis plhgeises perioxes. Ayth thn wra einai sta Anw Liosia. Qa parakoloyqhsoyme apo konta, Prwqypoyrgos, ypoyrgoi, olh h kybernhsh, olos o kratikos mhxanismos, pws ejelissetai h efarmogh twn apofasewn poy exoyme labei, poia einai ta problhmata ta opoia prokyptoyn -giati qa prokycoyn problhmata- kai ana pasa stigmh eimaste se etoimothta na dwsoyme tis deoyses apanthseis kai lyseis.

Shmera, sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio labame kai dyo apofaseis, tis opoies sas anakoinwnw:

1. Proedros toy Eqnikoy Organismoy Farmakwn, toy gnwstoy EOF, topoqeteitai, htan kenh h qesh, o kaqhghths Xaralampos Moytsopoylos.

2. Epishs, stis dyo kenes qeseis antiproedrwn toy Nomikoy Symboylioy toy Kratoys, topoqetoyntai o k. Kwnstantinos Bolths kai o k. Xrhstos Tsekoyras.

Ayta apo meroys moy. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KOYHN: Sxetika me to dhmosionomiko kostos exei bgalei h kybernhsh kapoio sxetiko ariqmo. Yparxoyn skeceis pws qa kalyfqei ayto to kostos kai ti qa ginei me ta ayqaireta;

REPPAS: Ti ennoeite akribws me thn erwthsh ti qa ginei me ta ayqaireta;

KOYHN: Yparxoyn arketes katoikies kai sto Menidi kai stis ypoloipes perioxes, poy einai ektos sxedioy polews, poy einai ayqairetes, exoyn ktistei xwris adeia ths Poleodomias. Ti qa ginei me aytes;

REPPAS: H desmh metrwn poy exoyme anakoinwsei afora oloys osoi exoyn plhgei. Afora oloys osoi exoyn anagkh ayth thn bohqeia. Oi apofaseis mas aforoyn seismoplhktoys sympolites mas xwris ejairesh. Oson afora, twra, to dhmosionomiko kostos, qa htan epipolaio na einai kapoios kathgorhmatikos, me apolyth akribeia gia to poio einai to poso sto opoio anerxetai to kostos ayto. Einai pantws ekatontades disekatommyria draxmes, ayta poy qa apaithqoyn prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme oles tis anagkes. Prepei omws na labete ypoch sas oti ta posa ayta qa doqoyn, eite einai amesh oikonomikh bohqeia, eite einai daneia, se baqos xronoy. Dhladh, to oikonomiko baros katanemetai se baqos xronoy. Mporw na sas pw fer` eipein, apo thn empeiria poy exw mexri twra, oti gia na antimetwpisoyme tis synepeies prohgoymenwn seismwn, exoyme akomh oikonomika barh peripoy 150 dis draxmwn. Ayto deixnei pws oi oikonomikes synepeies antimetwpizontai se baqos xronoy kai einai to kostos toys poly ychlo.

FILHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an h kybernhsh prokeitai na antapokriqei sthn protash toy k. Karamanlh gia ajiopoihsh twn mh ajiopoihqentwn kondyliwn toy B` Paketoy Ntelor kai thn protash ths k. Paparhga gia epanajiologhsh twn proteraiothtwn, poy qa doqoyn ta xrhmata toy G` K. P. S. prokeimenoy na ajiopoihqoyn xrhmata ap' ayta ta dyo paketa gia thn antimetwpish twn megalwn problhmatwn.

REPPAS: Oson afora to G` K. P. S. ayth thn wra den krinetai aparaithth opoiadhpote allagh sta metra poy exoyme apofasisei kai anakoinwsei. Mporoyme na antimetwpisoyme tis oikonomikes synepeies toy fysikoy aytoy fainomenoy me tis dynameis poy exoyme kai me th bohqeia poy anamenoyme apo alles phges. Oson afora, twra, toys anajiopoihtoys h anaporrofhtoys mexri twra poroys apo to B` K. P. S., h syzhthsh ayth egine thn prwth kiolas hmera, thn hmera poy egine o seismos, thn prohgoymenh Trith to apogeyma, sto plaisio toy Symboylioy Monimwn Antiproswpwn. Einai to gnwsto se sas COREPER, opoy diatypwqhke apo thn Epitroph se mas, sto plaisio ths antallaghs apocewn poy egine tote gia prwth fora, h eyxereia na xrhsimopoihqoyn xrhmata apo to B` K. P. S. gia thn antimetwpish twn synepeiwn toy seismoy. Sto Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn poy qa ginei th Deytera, peran ths politikhs dhlwshs allhleggyhs kai symparastashs pros thn Ellada, anamenoyme apo thn E. E. kai mia oloklhrwmenh apoch gia thn oikonomikh bohqeia poy qa doqei sthn Ellada gia na antimetwpisei ta problhmata poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei. Gnwrizw thn epistolh poy esteile o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Den qelw na epideijw thn paramikrh mikrothta amfisbhtwntas thn ajia ths. Sas lew omws oti ayto to qema eixe teqei prin sthn E. E. Sthn prwth syskech poy kaname ekeinh thn hmera egw gnwriza oti metajy twn allwn poy syzhthqhkan htan kai ayto, oti dhladh mas dinetai h dynatothta kat' arxhn na ajiopoihsoyme poroys apo to B` K. P. S.

FILHS: To ycos twn porwn poio einai apo to B` K. P. S;

REPPAS: To shmantiko einai, epeidh gnwrizete oti ola ayta prepei na endyontai kai me ena nomiko xarakthra, na exoyme thn egkrish, thn adeia ths E. E. gia na xrhsimopoihsoyme aytoys toys poroys. Ayto fainetai pws einai dedomeno. Yparxei apo thn prwth stigmh ws qesh. Qa syzhthqei sthn E. E. kai pisteyw oti tis epomenes hmeres, isws kai th Deytera, na exoyme tis telikes anakoinwseis. To qema ayto syzhteitai se ola ta epipeda sthn E. E., oles aytes tis hmeres. Mporw na sas pw xarakthristika -den qa to elega, kai den to eipa kai sthn eisagwgh poy ekana, to lew meta thn erwthsh sas- oti sto ECOFIN, sto Symboylio Oikonomikwn Ypoyrgwn poy synedriazei shmera sth Filandia, o k. Papantwnioy qa qesei ayto to qema, metajy twn allwn. Kai to qema ayto qa syzhthqei. To lew ayto gia na apodeijw oti h syzhthsh ayth, me toys koinotikoys etairoys, einai synexhs kai kaqhmerinh, se ola ta epipeda kai me diaforoys tropoys.

FILHS: Sto neo nomiko plaisio poy exei apofasisei na prowqhsei to YPEXWDE perilambanetai kai ayto poy kaqhghtes Panepisthmioy, seismologoi diapistwsan ws elleich, oti dhladh eidikws gia thn anegersh idiwtikwn ktiriwn apaiteitai leptomerhs, akoma kai hlektrologikh kai mhxanologikh meleth, apaiteitai to basiko, poy einai h edafologikh meleth;

REPPAS: O Kanonismos Antiseismikhs Prostasias poy yparxei einai aysthros. Yphrje enas to 1959, eixame ena pio sygxrono to 1984. O teleytaios poy isxyei kai shmera, einai akomh pio aysthros kai einai aytos poy qespisthke to 1995. Nai, metajy twn allwn qa prepei bebaiws na yparxei kai ayth h meleth. Ta problhmata poy dhmioyrgoyntai stis kataskeyes, an qelete na syzhthsoyme me leptomereies, einai polla kai se kapoies periptwseis dhmioyrgoyntai kai ek twn ysterwn. Otan diaforoi texnites, eidikoi -den qelw na anaferqw se eidikothtes gia na mhn parejhghqw- prokeimenoy na kanoyn th doyleia toys, kanoyn parembaseis kai sto feronta organismo, anoigoyn diafora kanalia gia na perasoyn ta diktya toys, to apotelesma einai na adynatizei h antoxh toy ktirioy. Qelw na pw, loipon, oti ayto einai ena megalo qema. Emeis qeloyme h opoia kataskeyh, bebaiws, na ginetai se xwroys poy den exoyn seismogeneia kai na yparxei kai elegxos. To eipa ayto. Qa proxwrhsoyme sth dhmioyrgia enos mhxanismoy poy qa elegxei thn katallhlothta kai thn poiothta twn kataskeywn kai apo idiwtes.

FILHS: Rwthsa an qa einai ypoxrewtikh h edafologikh meleth....

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti ayto einai kati poy antimetwpizoyme.

FILHS: Qa einai mesa sto plaisio poy anaferate;

REPPAS: Poio plaisio anefera;

FILHS: Eipate oti hdh sthn Kentrikh Nomoparaskeyastikh Epitroph...

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti einai skech kai exei ginei kai ergasia panw s` ayto, sto YPEXWDE. Den einai tyxaio oti anaferqhka sthn epikairopoihsh, ton eksygxronismo poy ginetai kata periodoys ston Kanonismo Antiseismikhs Prostasias. Epeidh pleon kai o teleytaios poliths s` ayth th xwra, fantazomai pws exei peisqei oti eimaste mia xwra me idiaiterh seismogeneia, pantote ayto to qema gia mas einai qema eidikoy endiaferontos kai synexoys meleths, prokeimenoy na beltiwnoyme tis proypoqeseis kai toys oroys.

FILHS: Opws prokyptei shmera apo dhmosieyma sthn "AYGH", to brady ths Triths eixe programmatistei egkairws na yparjei mia eqnikh askhsh politikhs prostasias gia thn antimetwpish ektaktwn katastasewn, poy endexomenws na prokycoyn kata thn Prwtoxronia toy 2000. Dhmosieyontai ta sxetika eggrafa kai einai dhmosieymenes oi entoles poy exoyn doqei gia thn askhsh se mia eyreia kathgoria kratikwn yphresiwn, strato, astynomia, nomarxies, dhmosies yphresies. Dhladh to kratos to opoio antapokriqhke ekeino to krisimo brady ths Triths...

REPPAS: Oxi mono ekeino to brady, synexizei na antapokrinetai.

FILHS: Kamia antirrhsh. Lew omws oti kat' arxhn amesa antapokriqhke. Htan kata tyxh etoimo.

REPPAS: Mh mas kathgorhsete kiolas oti prokalesame to seismo gia na apodeijoyme kati! !

FILHS: Den kathgoroyme kanenan, alla epeidh prepei na gnwrizoyme poia einai h pragmatikh katastash, sas lew oti to kratos htan etoimo na deijei ton kalytero eayto toy. Ayto poy einai poly shmantiko stoixeio, oxi gia na kanoyme antipoliteytikh kritikh, alimono, an legate gia to seismo ekeino to brady pros toys katoikoys toy Lekanopedioy, qa dhmioyrgoysate mia megalyterh aisqhsh asfaleias kai cyxraimias. Alliws antidra o poliths otan gnwrizei oti twra jypnaei to kratos kai alliws otan to kratos estw kai symptwmatika einai etoimo, panetoimo, na antimetwpisei mia tetoia katastrofh...

REPPAS: Tetoies askhseis ginontai taktikotata. Thn idia mera, eixan oristei kapoioi kata tomeis na laboyn meros se mia askhsh. H askhsh ayth bebaiws den egine, alla prepei na sas pw oti den einai etsi. Den einai to stoixeio ayto to opoio qa sas odhghsei na bgalete to symperasma pws gi` ayto akribws to logo kai mono gi` ayto, to kratos edeije ayth thn etoimothta. Einai teleiws diaforetiko pragma h askhsh akoma kai otan ginetai -einai qa elega askhsh epi xartoy- kai teleiws diaforetiko pragma na antimetwpiseis ayth thn idiaitera krisimh, ektakth, anapantexh katastash. To kratos edeije etoimothta, epeidh apo thn prwth stigmh anaskoympwqhke o Prwqypoyrgos, oi Ypoyrgoi kai oloi kai ekanan ta panta, prokeimenoy na mh diafygei ths prosoxhs mas, oyte to paramikro qema, to opoio an to agnooysame qa mporoyse na dhmioyrghsei phgh megalwn problhmatwn sth synexeia. Aytos einai o logos. Kanenas allos.

FILHS: To sxedio to opoio dhmosieyetai proeblepe thn energopoihsh toy "Sxedioy Jenokraths". Oles oi bardies htan etoimes edw kai mia bdomada gia ektakth yphresia to brady. Kai moy lete oti den htan shmantiko stoixeio h proetoimasia ths ypodomhs;

REPPAS: Einai kati to opoio eipa apo thn prwth mera. Parabiazete anoixtes portes. An deite thn enhmerwsh poy edwsa, eipa oti apo thn prohgoymenh mera yphrxe etoimothta gia thn askhsh. Mhn exete kamia agwnia. Den exoyme kanena logo na krycoyme kati, giati kai ayto to isxyrizontai kapoioi. Eimaste sth diaqesh sas, opoiodhpote qema qelete na qesete na to antimetwpisoyme apo koinoy kalopista. Kanoyme oti einai anqrwpinws dynato kai pisteyw oti ayto anagnwrizetai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti exoyn doqei 12.000 skhnes. Prin apo ligo poy eblepa thleorash oi katoikoi stis plhgeises perioxes elegan oti den exoyn parei skhnes. Polloi ligoi exoyn parei. Ti exoyn ginei aytes oi skhnes;

REPPAS: Exei doqei apanthsh sto erwthma sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Aytes tis skhnes poy tis dwsate;

REPPAS: Oi skhnes aytes dianemontai me sygkekrimeno tropo stoys kata topoys Dhmoys. Prepei na pw, omws, oti tis prwtes wres, me to prwto fortio, h katastash poy epikrathse htan acyxologhth. Parathrhqhkan, pragmati, fainomena atajias h akomh kai lehlasias, epitrecte moy na xrhsmiopoihsw ayth th lejh. Polloi phran skhnes poy den prokeitai kan na tis xrhsimopoihsoyn. Kapoioi qa tis xrhsmiopoihsoyn metagenestera gia allo skopo. Kapoioi alloi isws tis poylhsoyn. Ayto deixnei oti exoyme problhmata se oloys toys tomeis. Kai otan ayta ta problhmata aforoyn emas dexomaste kataigistika pyra kai malista syxnotata, poy ta dexomaste apo ekeinoys toys polites poy exoyn ekeinoi thn eyqynh gia to oti dhmioyrgeitai ayth h dysleitoyrgia sto olo systhma prokeimenoy. Oi skhnes einai para polles. Sas lew oti oi skhnes jepernoyn h qa jeperasoyn th Deytera tis 20.000. O ariqmos aytos einai terastios.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla giati den exoyn paraxwrhqei se oloys; Giati ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias osoi diamartyrhqhkan, shmera, gia skhnes diamartyrhqhkan. Einai sthmenoi;

REPPAS: Giati dexeste oti kapoios o opoios diamartyretai einai aytos o opoios opwsdhpote exei dikio; Giati to dexeste ayto; Egw den mporw na pw oti einai "sthmenoi". Eseis, omws, giati arneiste kathgorhmatika oti yparxei kapoios allos logos poy odhgei kapoioys na exoyn ayth th stash kai na askoyn ayth thn kritikh; Exoyme kanena logo na paroysiazoyme ton ariqmo twn skhnwn ws megalytero apo ton pragmatiko; Mporw na sas anaferw sygkekrimena apo poy proerxontai oi skhnes aytes. Alla, qa prepei kai oi polites na bohqhsoyn, wste na leitoyrghsei omala o mhxanismos. Anaferw dyo xarakthristika paradeigmata: Prwton, exoyn enoikiastei dyo jenodoxeia sthn perioxh toy Maraqwna, me kalych trofhs kai olwn twn allwn anagkwn kai me problech gia dwrean metafora twn endiaferomenwn, prokeimenoy na meinoyn ekei gia diasthma enos mhna. Sas lew, loipon, oti oi polites den antapokriontai, den deixnoyn endiaferon na ajiopoihsoyn ayth thn prosfora. Deyteron: Exoyn anoijei diaforoi xwroi, ena kleisto gymnasthrio, sto opoio mporoyn an oxi ekatontades, arketes dekades polites na egkatastaqoyn ekei. Den proserxontai. Kaqenas qa hqele mia skhnh gia ton eayto toy. Eimai ligo sklhros otan milw me ayto ton tropo kai mhn eklabete ton tropo me ton opoio milw san adiaforia gia ton pono twn anqrwpwn. Sebomai apolytws kai katanow th stash toys. Alla an den synergastoyme oloi -gi` ayto milhsa sthn arxh gia syllogikothta, kai h syllogikothta den afora mono thn kybernhsh kai ton kratiko mhxanismo, afora kai toys polites- den qa exoyme ta epidiwkomena apotelesmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eginan lehlasies spitiwn. Qa fygoyn aytoi twra; Exoyme klecies kai tetoia. Poios qa fygei; Gi` ayto kaqontai ekei.

REPPAS: Oktw xiliades astynomikoi kanoyn pezh peripolies, epishs apo toys 3.000 stratiwtes poy prosferoyn th bohqeia toys se diaforoys tomeis, polloi symmetexoyn stis peripolies. Ginetai oti kalytero. Kaneis den toys kalei opwsdhpote na fygoyn. Toys kaloyme omws, gia logoys poy exoyn sxesh me th dhmosia ygieinh, na dexqoyn na filojenhqoyn se xwroys opoy exoyme ejasfalisei thn analogh ypodomh, opoy yparxei syndesh me diktya apoxeteyshs. Gnwrizete poly kala oti den yparxoyn sthn Ellada, ayth thn wra, xhmikes toyaletes. Exoyme desmeysei to synolo oswn mporoysan na diateqoyn sthn agora. Prepei na erqoyn kai alles. Emeis qeloyme na dhmioyrghqoyn egkatastaseis, ypodomes, oi opoies exoyn -ws ypodomes proswrinhs katoikias, bebaia- mia artiothta. Giati yparxei kai to qema ths dhmosias ygieinhs, to opoio qa antimetwpisoyme tis epomenes hmeres, an den eimaste arketa pronohtikoi twra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw akoma, ayta ta 700 konteiner pote problepetai na topoqethqoyn;

REPPAS: Ayta arxizoyn kai topoqetoyntai. Ejartatai se megalo baqmo, gia na mhn pw apokleistika, apo toys dhmoys na ypodeijoyn analogoys xwroys. Na sas pw oti me bash ton "Jenokrath", gia ton opoio egine logos, prepei kaqe dhmarxos, kaqe dhmotikh arxh, na exei epilejei kai na exei ypodeijei xwro o opoios plhroi tis proypoqeseis poy problepontai mesa s` ayto to sxedio, prokeimenoy se kapoia tetoia ektakth peristash na dhmioyrghqei ekei o kataylismos; Kai den to exoyn kanei oloi oi dhmarxoi. Alla, bebaiws, eykola kathgoroyme thn kybernhsh kai to kratos, thn idia wra poy zhtoyme na exoyme armodiothtes. Kai otan tis exoyme den tis ajiopoioyme. Einai poly sobaro to qema kai xreiazetai na syzhtoyme me synesh ola ayta ta problhmata. Epanalambanw thn apolyth katanohsh, to sebasmo ston pono twn anqrwpwn poy exoyn plhgei, alla qa prepei na poyme thn alhqeia. Giati kai emeis ergazomaste kai prospaqoyme na prosferoyme bohqeia. Den einai o seismos ena pedio sto opoio kapoios mporei na katafygei gia na kerdoskophsei politika. Ayto einai adianohto. Den to qeloyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kapoioi moirazoyn epitages.

REPPAS: Kaqe allo. Alla qa prepei ta xrhmata na doqoyn. Otan moirazontai epitages kapoioi enoxloyntai. An den moirastoyn epitages kapoioi qa enoxlhqoyn. Shmasia exei na anakoyfistoyn aytoi poy exoyn anagkh th bohqeia mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, ta rixnete stoys Dhmoys.

REPPAS: Ayto katalabate eseis!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy stoys Dhmoys ta rixnete ola.

REPPAS: Malista. Kyrie Stamatopoyle, oi Dhmoi exoyn armodiothtes;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exoyn.

REPPAS: Tis askoyn me tropo apotelesmatiko;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ws to metro poy mporoyn.

REPPAS: Malista. Kai to kratos sto metro poy mporei askei tis armodiothtes toy. Blepw, dhladh, na einai monomerhs ayth h kritikh proseggish pros tis kentrikes yphresies, pragma to opoio adikei thn prospaqeia poy kanoyn. Giati oi kentrikes yphresies, h kybernhsh poy kateyqynei th xwra exei katorqwsei na exoyme shmera aytes tis proypoqeseis, oikonomikes kai alles, gia na antimetwpisoyme me sxetikh eparkeia ayto to ektakto gegonos kai tis synepeies toy.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Eipate oti einai ikanopoihtikh ws aristh h synergasia forewn k. lp. gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn. Alla, apo oti prokyptei h synergasia nomarxwn me dhmarxoys den einai kaqoloy, oyte ikanopoihtikh, oyte kalh. Apo oti blepoyme apo dhlwseis sto radiofwno, stis thleoraseis k. lp. dhmioyrgoyntai katastaseis apisteytes. Esas, den sas apasxolei ayto to problhma; Kai den exei, nomizw, na kanei me politika kai kommatika. Yparxei mia terastia kontra poy kaqenas prospaqei na...

REPPAS: Milate gia thn dielkystinda metajy Nomarxiakhs kai Prwtobaqmias Aytodioikhshs.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Akribws. Einai sobaro problhma ayto, opws ejelissetai.

REPPAS: Entopizontai tetoia problhmata. Ola mas apasxoloyn. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai to kratos na kanei oti einai dynato gia na bohqhsei toys Organismoys Aytodioikhshs poy den exoyn anaptygmenes yphresies sto baqmo ekeinon, wste na antimetwpistoyn tetoia ektakta peristatika. Gi` ayto eipa oti epikefalhs klimakiwn, proswpa toy kentrikoy mhxanismoy briskontai stis neyralgikes perioxes gia na prosferoyn th bohqeia toys, na epopteysoyn, na syntonisoyn, na elegjoyn. O Genikos Grammateas Perifereias Attikhs einai sth mia perioxh, o Genikos Grammateas toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs einai se allh perioxh, alla stelexh ths kentrikhs dioikhshs einai alloy. Kai pisteyoyme oti ayto apodidei. Gi` ayto proxwrhsame, allwste, toso grhgora sth dhmioyrgia aytwn twn eji kataylismwn.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: H deyterh erwthsh moy afora kapoies dhlwseis poy ekane, xqes, o k. Markatos, se sxesh me thn problech kapoioy seismoy apo ton kaqhghth k. Simopoylo stis 30 Aygoystoy, oti se deka meres qa ginotan seismos, giati eixe diagnwsei kati stoixeia k. lp. H kybernhsh htan se gnwsh ayths ths...

REPPAS: H kybernhsh exei systhsei episthmoniko organo me to opoio synergazetai. To organo ayto symboyleyomaste. Synedriasan, proxqes, sto plaisio toy OASP oi episthmones seismologoi kai ejedwsan sxetikh anakoinwsh. Metajy twn allwn, h bebaiothta oti den mporei na yparxei problech seismwn diakatexei oloys toys episthmones poy symmetexoyn s` ayth thn Epitroph. Den mporei na ginei problech seismwn. Ayth einai h qesh thn opoia yioqetoyn kai yposthrizoyn, me episthmonikh tekmhriwsh, oi seismologoi poy symmetexoyn s` ayth thn Epitroph. Elpizw oloi mazi -kai eseis poy exete neyralgiko rolo sthn prospaqeia gia antikeimenikh kai cyxraimh enhmerwsh twn politwn- na symbaloyme wste na apofygoyme ta xeirotera. Giati, opws leme "h Ellada kerdizei ston polemo kai xanei sthn eirhnh", etsi kai emeis edw, ws koinwnia, mporei na kerdisoyme sto seismo, thn krisimh wra kai na xasoyme meta. Me ayth thn ennoia, zhtw aytosygkrathsh, cyxraimia, kinhseis ypeyqynes. Yparxoyn oi eidikoi. Mh ginoyme oloi seismologoi shmera, opws hmastan xqes syntagmatologoi kai opws hmastan proxqes qeologoi. Otan milame gia satanistes eimaste qeologoi, otan exoyme problhmata ekloghs Proedroy Dhmokratias eimaste syntagmatologoi, otan exoyme seismoys eimaste seismologoi, otan exoyme kapoion epwnymo se monada entatikh qerapeias eimaste oloi giatroi. Parakalw, emeis eimaste politikoi, eseis eiste dhmosiografoi. Etsi, mia organwmenh kai syntetagmenh politeia mporei na leitoyrgei kai na proodeyei.

PARIS: Exei ypoch ths h kybernhsh an ayth oi fakeloi twn ktiriwn poy katerreysan exoyn ontws ejafanistei;

REPPAS: Exoyn zhthqei oi fakeloi. Epeidh akoyw problhmatismoys gia dhqen diarroh fakelwn pros alles kateyqynseis, den mporw na to epibebaiwsw ayto. Oi fakeloi anamenontai kai bebaiws, an dhmioyrghqei ena tetoio problhma, antilambaneste pws qa epiblhqoyn oi deoyses kyrwseis. Oi fakeloi prepei na yparxoyn stis armodies yphresies, giati ekei periexetai h taytothta kaqe ktirioy. Ta ktiria qa elegxqoyn me bash thn taytothta toys. Kapoioi exoyn eyqynh. Qa yparjei aysthrh apodosh eyqynwn.

PARIS: Gia to Metro ths Aqhnas, yparxei kapoio problhma;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na yparxei problhma.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sto telos qa mas peite gia ta ellhnotoyrkika, an egine kapoia...

REPPAS: Egine syzhthsh shmera, se kalo klima kai me kala apotelesmata. Pisteyoyme oti etsi qa synexistei kai o epomenos gyros sthn Agkyra. Den qa sas pw perissoteres leptomereies. Qa yparjei kapoia sxetikh anakoinwsh, h opoia qa ekdoqei. Otan oloklhrwqei aytos o kyklos kai me to deytero gyro poy qa ginei thn epomenh ebdomada, tote qa ginoyn kai oi dhlwseis gia to synolo aytwn twn synomiliwn.

EYSTAQIOY: Gia to mhxanismo elegxoy idiwtikwn kataskeywn poy eipate, afora ta ktiria poy exoyn plhgei h genikotera qa ginei enas elegxos twn idiwtikwn kataskeywn;

REPPAS: Miloyme gia th qespish enos neoy forea, enos mhxanismoy en pash periptwsei, o opoios qa elegxei thn katallhlothta kai thn poiothta twn ktiriwn.

EYSTAQIOY: Twn neoanageiromenwn.

REPPAS: Bebaiws.

ELENOPOYLOS: Ayth thn protash, poy eixe kanei to Texniko Epimelhthrio th lambanete ypoch sas;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti ola ayta einai stis skeceis mas, alla qa moy epitrecete na pw oti, den einai idees kai protaseis toy T. E. E, gia na mhn pw oti kapoies idees ths Politeias sto parelqon, eixan aporrifqei apo to T. E. E., epeidh akribws proeblepan ena aysthro plaisio elegxoy kataskeywn. Alla, gia ola ayta den prepei na syzhtoyme twra giati den exei nohma.

FILHS: Eipate oti h diatajh poy perase epi ypoyrgias toy k. Peponh, to 1995, exei anadromikh isxy gia toys kataskeyastes ktiriwn prin to 1995;

REPPAS: Oxi, den eipa kati tetoio. Eipa oti twra mporei na ginei elegxos, kati poy den mporoyse na ginei prin to 1995, opoy h paragrafh ephrxeto se pente xronia apo to xrono kataskeyhs toy ktirioy. Enw, twra h proqesmia arxizei kai metra apo thn hmera poy diapistwnetai h eleysh toy zhmiogonoy apotelesmatos ekeinhs ths parabashs, ths kakhs kataskeyhs.

FILHS: Gia ta ktiria, synepws, poy exoyn kataskeyastei prin to 1995, den isxyei o nomos toy 1995, giati ta perissotera ktiria poy einai oi polloi nekroi, exoyn kataskeyastei prin to 1995.

REPPAS: O nomos den exei anadromikh isxy. Ayto poy lete einai swsto, alla einai aytonohto. Apo kei kai pera den qelw na ypeiselqw sto ergo ths Dikaiosynhs. Ayto to opoio mporw na pw einai oti twra me bash to nomiko plaisio poy yparxei, zhtoyme, to lew gia trith fora, na yparxei aysthros elegxos kai apodosh eyqynwn.

BIDALH: Mia dieykrinish se ayto poy eipate gia thn asfalish ktiriwn. Sto nomosxedio toy YPEXWDE qa katateqei kati sxetiko;

REPPAS: Aytasfalish ktiriwn. Qa prepei oi polites, metajy twn allwn -opws kanoyn asfalies gia diafora alla epikindyna endexomena- na kanoyn asfalish kai gi ayto, na yparxei ypoxrewsh kai gi ayto.

MAKRIDHS: Yparxei opoiadhpote skech gia kaqysterhsh efarmoghs h parekklish apo th desmh metrwn twn oikonomikwn kai forologikwn elafrynsewn poy ejhggeile o Prwqypoyrgos, prin mia ebdomada;

REPPAS: Apanthsa xqes se synafh erwthsh. Epanalambanw oti ta metra oikonomikhs kai koinwnikhs politikhs poy anakoinwse o Prwqypoyrgos, qa efarmostoyn sto xrono poy exei anakoinwqei. Den ephreazetai se tipota h desmh twn metrwn aytwn poy pisteyoyme oti antapokrinontai se pragmatikes anagkes omadwn twn politwn, xwris na yponomeyoyn thn poreia ths ellhnikhs oikonomias pros toys megaloys stoxoys.

Eyxaristw poly.

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