Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-09-14

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 14 Septembrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Oloklhrwqhkan, prin apo ligo, oi synomilies twn antiproswpeiwn Elladas kai Kyproy ypo ton Prwqypoyrgo K. Shmith kai ton Proedro Gl. Klhridh. Oi dyo politikoi hgetes exoyn hdh probei se dhlwseis. Ayto, to opoio epanalambanw kai epishmainw einai oti h ellhnokypriakh pleyra einai etoimh na proselqei se synomilies, to periexomeno twn opoiwn qa afora oles tis ptyxes toy kypriakoy problhmatos. Synomilies, oi opoies qa exoyn monadiko stoxo thn prowqhsh twn prospaqeiwn gia thn ejeyresh dikaihs lyshs.

Syzhthqhkan, epishs, ptyxes synergasias twn dyo kratwn se alloys tomeis, opws o oikonomikos kai, bebaiws, o amyntikos tomeas, opws akribws problepetai sto Dogma toy Eniaioy Amyntikoy Xwroy poy apotelei qemelio liqo ths synergasias twn dyo xwrwn.

Oson afora, to megalo qema twn teleytaiwn hmerwn, oi prospaqeies twn swstikwn synergeiwn synexizontai mono sto ergostasio ths RIKOMEJ. O ariqmos twn nekrwn, ews ayth thn wra, exei anelqei stoys 127, symfwna me ta stoixeia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ygeias. Ekaton pente exoyn anasyrqei apo ta xalasmata. Ajizei, epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora, epainos sta swstika synergeia ths Pyrosbestikhs Yphresias kai twn allwn xwrwn, gia to megalo ergo poy prosferan, gia th diaswsh twn anqrwpwn. Exoyn entopistei dyo akomh atoma sta xalasmata ths RIKOMEJ kai ennea agnooyntai.

Opws, eipame apo thn arxh, h prospaqeia twn swstikwn synergeiwn qa synexistei mexris otoy breqei kai o teleytaios egklwbismenos sta ereipia. Pisteyoyme oti dwsame ikanopoihtikes apanthseis sta dyo basika problhmata: Sthn topoqethsh skhnwn gia na kalyfqei proswrina o plhqysmos poy emeine astegos. Den yparxei pleon aithma gia th xorhghsh skhnwn. Sto qema toy ektaktoy oikonomikoy epidomatos twn 200.000 drx., o mhxanismos leitoyrghse arketa apotelesmatika, wste h xorhghsh twn epitagwn kai h ejargyrwsh toys na ginetai pleon me omalo ryqmo. Pantws, problhmata yparxoyn kai kaqe fora poy ypodeiknyontai h entopizontai apo kapoioys, analambanoyn oi armodies yphresies kai ta epilyoyn.

Yphrje p. x. mia kataggelia apo thn organwsh "Giatroi toy kosmoy" gia thn poiothta toy faghtoy poy dianemei o Eryqros Stayros. Klhqhkan oi armodies yphresies, den htan kati to sobaro, den yparxei kanena problhma.

Epishs, antimetwpizontai qemata, poy exoyn sxesh me thn apokomidh twn aporrimmatwn stis egkatastaseis poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei gia thn egkatastash twn astegwn h problhmata dhmosias ygieinhs. Yparxei synexhs synergasia twn dhmotikwn yphresiwn me tis kentrikes yphresies. Ayrio, sygkaleitai gia to qema ayto syskech, ypo ton ypoyrgo k. Papadhma, twn armodiwn paragontwn toy Ypoyrgeioy Ygeias kai twn dieyqyntwn Ygieinhs twn Nomarxiwn. Aytes oi synergasies -endeiktika ekana thn prohgoymenh anafora- ginontai metajy olwn twn forewn. Oi armodioi ypoyrgoi poy parakoloyqoyn apo konta ta sxetika me thn armodiothta toys qemata, pws dhladh efarmozontai ta metra poy exoyn ejaggelqei, probainoyn se synexh enhmerwsh pros ton plhqysmo mesw synenteyjewn Typoy kai dhlwsewn, wste na mhn yparxei to paramikro problhma enhmerwshs twn politwn gia to pws exei h katastash.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh me ta 150 dis poy dinei h E. E;

REPPAS: To qema ths oikonomikhs bohqeias apo thn E. E. einai anoixto. Kat' arxhn exei symfwnhsei h E. E. kai exei desmeytei oti qa prosferei oikonomikh bohqeia sthn Ellada, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisei tis synepeies toy katastrofikoy seismoy. H meqodos h opoia mporei na xrhsimopoihqei einai h antlhsh porwn apo ta anajiopoihta kondylia toy B' Koinotikoy Plaisioy Sthrijhs. Pisteyoyme oti to poso to opoio qa ektamieytei mesw ayths ths diadikasias einai para poly shmantiko. Qa mas bohqhsei na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata.

Ayto to opoio mporw na prosqesw, me aformh thn erwthsh sas, einai toyto: Xarh sthn politikh poy askoyme ta teleytaia xronia, h ellhnikh oikonomia brisketai se tetoio epipedo, poy na mporei na antimetwpisei tetoia aifnidia fainomena. Eimaste se mia katastash ikanothtas na diaxeiristoyme ta problhmata ayta kai na xrhmatodothsoyme tis aparaithtes energeies, prokeimenoy na dwsoyme lyseis sta problhmata poy exoyn prokycei.

H E. E. proxwra s' ayth thn oikonomikh sthrijh ths xwras mas mesa apo symfwnia poy qa yparjei me thn Ellada, to epomeno diasthma. Den qa krinoyme to ycos toy posoy. Einai shmantiko, opoio kai an einai. Akomh, omws den einai gnwsto to teliko poso. Ayto, pantws to opoio mporei na pei kaneis oti apotelei to kyrio ergaleio mas gia na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata, einai h oikonomikh katastash ths xwras, to apotelesma ths doyleias poy kaname ta teleytaia xronia. Den yparxei, loipon, teliko poso kai kakws anaferqhkate se ena poso. Ayto apotelei antikeimeno syzhthsewn. To epomeno diasthma, bebaiws, otan oloklhrwqoyn oi diapragmateyseis, oi synennohseis, to poso ayto qa einai se gnwsh olwn mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxei proxeirh ektimhsh twn zhmiwn mexri twra; Poso qa einai;

REPPAS: Sas eipa, apo thn prwth hmera kiolas, oti to kostos twn zhmiwn anerxetai se arketes ekatontades disekatommyria draxmes. Akribeis ektimhseis einai poly dyskolo na ginoyn ayth thn wra. Oi zhmies einai para polles. Ta problhmata einai para polla. Epiqymoyme to taxytero dynato, na prosferoyme tis kalyteres synqhkes diabiwshs stoys polites poy exoyn plhgei, prokeimenoy omala na epanentaxqoyn sthn koinwnia. Ayto shmainei ena epiprosqeto kostos. Yparxei to dhmosionomiko kostos to opoio mporei na ypologistei kat' arxhn sto epipedo twn 200 (kai pleon) disekatommyriwn draxmwn. Yparxei bebaiws kai to synoliko oikonomiko kostos to opoio einai poly megalytero. Alla epeidh akribws exoyme ayth thn oikonomikh dynatothta kai th sthrijh apo alles phges kai epeidh to kostos ayto qa dianemhqei se baqos xronoy, ta epomena 2-3 xronia, pisteyoyme oti einai bato kai antimetwpisimo, wste na mh dhmioyrgeitai opoiodhpote problhma gia thn oikonomikh poreia ths xwras, idiaiterws enocei ths epiteyjhs toy stoxoy mas gia thn entajh sthn ONE.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Karamanlhs, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy, meta thn enhmerwsh poy eixe apo ton k. Shmith, milhse gia sobares politikes eyqynes kai aytes oi sobares politikes eyqynes aforoyn kai ypoyrgoys. Prokeitai na allajei kapoioys ypoyrgoys o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: O k. Karamanlhs den milhse gia ypoyrgoys. Milhse, pragmati, gia sobares politikes eyqynes. Sobares politikes eyqynes exei isws o k. Karamanlhs, otan ayth thn krisimh stigmh poy xreiazetai logos synainetikos kai synetos milaei me enan tetoio tropo, san na epidiwkei emmesws na antlhsei kommatika ofelh se ena pedio opoy den yparxei apoqema kommatismoy. Apofygame systhmatika, eite na apanthsoyme se dhlwseis twn politikwn paragontwn ths antipoliteyshs, eite na sxoliasoyme tis drasthriothtes poy anaptyxqhkan ayth thn periodo.

Pisteyoyme oti sthn krisimh fash poy briskomaste, proexei na diaqesoyme oles tis dynameis mas gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn kai twn kindynwn poy egkymonoyn, oso ayta den lynontai.

Eimaste aisiodojoi, giati eimaste apofasismenoi, exoyme sxedio, exoyme kai ta mesa, to syntomotero dynato na lysoyme ola ta problhmata. S' ayth thn poreia qa synexisoyme thn prospaqeia mas. Apo kei kai pera h kritikh kai ta sxolia ths antipoliteyshs, bebaiws akoygontai me prosoxh. Fainetai, omws, oti einai atekmhriwta kai kalo einai ayth thn krisimh wra na apofeygontai gia logoys poy exoyn sxesh kyriws me thn anagkh na enisxysoyme cyxologika toys polites poy dokimazontai kai oxi na toys dinoyme thn entypwsh oti akoma kai thn wra toy dikoy toys megaloy ponoy, emeis epilegoyme na epididomaste se kinhseis oi opoies apoblepoyn se kommatika ofelh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai o k. Pagkalos miloyse gia eyqynes gia sygkekrimenoys ypoyrgoys.

REPPAS: O k. Pagkalos htan safhs. Milhse gia thn amesh, apofasistikh, apotelesmatikh kinhtopoihsh toy kratikoy mhxanismoy. Kai ayto apotelei -epanalambanw- mia akomh, metajy twn allwn, anagnwrish gia to poso ikanopoihtikh htan h antidrash toy kratoys kai twn yphresiwn toy meta thn ekdhlwsh aytoy toy fainomenoy. Ayto einai kati, to opoio kalo qa htan, opoioi askoyn kritikh -kai kaqenas exei to dikaiwma na askei kritikh- na to epishmainoyn, anagnwrizontas oti egine kati to prwtofanes gia ta ellhnika dedomena: h kybernhsh, to kratos antedrasan me tetoia eyaisqhsia kai etoimothta poy isws den exei prohgoymeno. Ayto deixnei oti, meta thn prospaqeia poy kaname, edw kai arketa xronia, exoyme ftasei se ena shmeio, wste na leitoyrgoyme me poly kalytero tropo, s` ena ychlotero poiotika epipedo, pragma to opoio apotelei stoixeio poy oloys prepei na mas ikanopoiei.

Den eipame pote pws den yparxoyn problhmata. Den krycame pote ta problhmata poy yparxoyn. Emeis ta epishmaname prwtoi ap' oloys, giati emeis endiaferomaste na lysoyme ta problhmata kai oxi na ta xrhsimopoioyme ws bash h ws yliko gia na dhmagwgoyme.

Epanalambanw, omws, oti ayto poy prepei na kanoyme oloi einai na apofygoyme akraies symperifores h sxolia tetoia ta opoia pikrainoyn ton kosmo, poy ayth thn wra qelei allhleggyh kai yposthrijh stis prospaqeies poy kanei gia na jeperasei thn krish.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pantws, k. Ypoyrge, den einai mono apo thn antipoliteysh. Kai o k. Pagkalos kai o k. Mpenos eipan oti den lynetai to qema me tis skhnes. Atoma ths sympoliteyshs kai mesa apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kanoyn kritikh gia ta metra.

REPPAS: Oydeis apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio askei kritikh ws pros ta metra. Qa moy epitrecete na pw, oti oi isxyrismoi sas einai anypostatoi. Antiqetws oloi symfwnoyn -kai yperqematizoyn- oti h desmh metrwn poy anakoinwse o Prwqypoyrgos ypereparkei prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata poy dhmioyrghqhkan. H proseggish oson afora th mh dhmioyrgia kataylismwn apasxolhse, pragmati, to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, alla h apofash poy exoyme labei einai omofwnh. Ejhgoymai gia na mhn yparxei paranohsh.

Sth fash poy breqhkame, amesws meta to seismo, qa eprepe na kalycoyme enan poly megalo ariqmo astegwn. Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti o ariqmos aytos, mera me th mera, wra me thn wra, megalwne, idiws meta thn anakoinwsh twn metrwn poy ejhggeile h kybernhsh. Bebaiws, emeis me kalh pisth kai qetikh diaqesh antimetwpisame ola ta aithmata. Gia na kalycoyme to problhma ths steghs eprepe na dianeimoyme skhnes. Exoyme dianeimei ena poly megalo ariqmo skhnwn, panw apo 20.000, poy einai arketes gia na stegasoyn peripoy 120.000 polites.

Epipleon, desmeythkame -to anakoinwsa xqes- pws to fainomeno ayto ths paramonhs se skhnes qa prepei na ekleicei se oktw ebdomades.

Amesws meta, to problhma ths steghs prepei na antimetwpistei me pio makroproqesmo tropo. Kai qewroyme pws s' ayth thn kateyqynsh synebalan apofasistika oi epiloges poy kaname kai anakoinwsame gia thn epidothsh enoikioy kai to epidoma sygkatoikhshs.

Qa einai eyxhs ergon, oso ginetai perissoteroi, oloi ean einai dynaton, na ajiopoihsoyn ayto to metro, prokeimenoy meta apo ayto to prwto dimhno, na egkatastaqoyn kai na katoikoyn pleon se kanonikes katoikies.

Bebaiws, ta diaqesima diamerismata-katoikies den einai tosa wste na ikanopoihqei h zhthsh, h opoia proekyce jafnika kai afora sygkekrimenes perioxes. Gi' ayto akribws, eimaste pronohtikoi. Ejasfalizoyme apo twra ton anagkaio ejoplismo, dhmioyrgoyme thn ypodomh, kataylismoys me troxospita, me lyomena, me konteiner, prokeimenoy, an parastei anagkh -eyxomaste na mh breqoyme apenanti se ena tetoio problhma na eimaste etoimoi na antimetwpisoyme to problhma- ths stegashs ekeinwn poy qa exoyn akomh mia tetoia anagkh.

Ayth einai h epidiwjh mas. Epidiwjh mas den einai na dhmioyrghsoyme kataylismoys gia monimh egkatastash politwn. Gi' ayto ejaggeilame ayta ta gennaiodwra metra. Alla bebaiws an kapoioi den qeloyn, den epiqymoyn -einai diko toys qema- na ajiopoihsoyn ta metra ayta, antilambaneste oti aytomatws gi' aytoys prokyptei problhma stegashs. Kai qeloyme th dhmioyrgia kataylismwn, organwmenwn dhladh sygkrothmatwn, epeidh akribws etsi kai monon etsi ejasfalizoyme synqhkes dhmosias ygieinhs gia th diabiwsh toso pollwn politwn, gia mia periodo kapoiwn mhnwn. Kaqenas qa hqele bebaiws na exei mia skhnh gia diko toy logariasmo h na exei ena troxospito katw apo to spiti toy. Ayto den lynei ta problhmata. Gi' ayto, loipon, h epilogh poy kaname einai h kalyterh. Ayto exei ginei dekto. Sebomaste -epanalambanw- ton pono twn anqrwpwn. Sebomaste oti ektos twn allwn yparxoyn kai cyxologikoi logoi oi opoioi toys odhgoyn polles fores na kanoyn proseggiseis h epiloges poy isws den einai oi orqoteres. Emeis eimaste konta toys, me kaqe tropo na prosferoyme iatrikh frontida, koinwnikh kai cyxologikh sthrijh, prokeimenoy na pane ola kala.

MIXAHL: Me to poy teleiwnei h katabolh toy ektaktoy epidomatos, arxizei h deyterh fash, ayth ths proswrinhs egkatastashs stis skhnes mexri na ginoyn oi kataylismoi kai na pane ekei gia na arxisei kai h fash ths anasygkrothshs. Sth diadikasia ayth einai diateqeimenh h kybernhsh na yioqethsei protaseis allwn kommatwn h forewn;

REPPAS: Ta ypomnhmata poy kateqesan oi politikoi arxhgoi, sto plaisio twn synanthsewn toys me ton Prwqypoyrgo, meletwntai apo thn kybernhsh. Einai xrhsima. Qa elega oti oi perissoteres protaseis den prosferoyn kapoia kainoyrgia idea, alla, bebaiws yparxoyn protaseis oi opoies einai ylopoihsimes. Qa to kanoyme. To eipe o Prwqypoyrgos apo thn prwth stigmh. Emeis ston tomea ayto epidiwkoyme thn kalyterh dynath synennohsh, thn eyryterh synainesh. Den yparxei kamia amfibolia gi` ayth thn proqesh mas. H stash poy kratame, ws kybernhsh, to apodeiknyei. Exoyme apofygei systhmatika na antidikhsoyme, akomh kai na apanthsoyme otan prokaloymaste. Ayto qa synexisoyme na kanoyme gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Den mas endiaferei h kommatikh antiparaqesh gia to qema ayto. Mas endiaferei na frontisoyme, wste to syntomotero dynato oi anqrwpoi poy exoyn plhgei na epanelqoyn sta spitia toys h na egkatastaqoyn ekei opoy qa exoyn ajioprepeis synqhkes diabiwshs. Ayto mas endiaferei.

MIXAHL: Giname martyres oloi to Sabbatokyriako antidikias paragontwn ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs, kyriws metajy toy Nomarxh Anatolikhs Attikhs kai toy Dhmarxoy Menidioy. H kybernhsh, h opoia exei to periqwrio apo to nomo, giati opoy dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata den khryje kapoion ekptwto; Na analabei h idia thn eyqynh twn metrwn. Exei dikaiwma o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, Dhmarxo h Nomarxh o opoios den synergazetai me to sxedio anasygkrothshs kai antimetwpishs na ton khryjei ekptwto. Giati, afhsate na ekdhlwqei ena klima antiparaqeshs, o kosmos na talaipwreitai kai telika afoy egine oti egine na breqei enas tropos na proxwrhsei to sxedio;

REPPAS: Den htan kai den einai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs na khryjei ekptwtoys arxontes ths Topikhs kai Nomarxiakhs Aytodioikhshs. Yphrjan problhmata. Yphrjan dysleitoyrgies, diaforetikes se kaqe Dhmo, analogws twn problhmatwn poy exei na antimetwpisei, analogws ths ypodomhs kai ths proetoimasias toy gia na antimetwpisei ayta ta problhmata. Emeis, metajy twn allwn, diapistwsame oti pragmati ekdhlwnetai mia sxetikh adynamia apo thn pleyra twn Dhmwn. Steilame stelexh toy kentrikoy mhxanismoy, -to exw pei kat` epanalhch- egkatastaqhkan ekei, epopteysan, syntonisan tis energeies kai eixame kala apotelesmata. O genikos grammateas toy ypoyrgeioy Proedrias k. Basileioy kai o genikos grammateas ths perifereias Attikhs k. Xamakiwths einai egkatesthmenoi ekei, sth "grammh pyros", apo thn prwth hmera. Epishs, gnwrizete poly kala, oti se qemata sta opoia diapistwqhke adynamia twn topikwn yphresiwn na leitoyrghsoyn apotelesmatika kai me gorgo ryqmo, parenebhsan oi kentrikes yphresies. Kai milw p. x. gia th dianomh twn epitagwn toy oikonomikoy bohqhmatos twn 200 xiliadwn drx.. Topoqethqhkan ypallhloi twn Nomarxiwn se kaqe Dhmo, ypologoi, oi opoioi parakoloyqoyn kai kateyqynoyn ayth th diadikasia. To kratos einai paron. Bebaiws, den qa ypokatasthsoyme thn Aytodioikhsh. Mhn jexnate oti oi kybernhseis toy PASOK htan aytes, oi opoies sto plaisio ths apokentrwshs egkaqidrysan thn aireth Nomarxiakh Aytodioikhsh, proxwrhsan se enisxysh twn armodiothtwn twn forewn ths Aytodioikhshs. Eimaste oi teleytaioi poy qa skeftoyme na syrriknwsoyme tis armodiothtes h to eyros isxyos ths Topikhs kai Nomarxiakhs Aytodioikhshs. Alla, bebaiws, se mia tetoia krisimh stigmh qa eimaste parontes me kaqe tropo, ws kratos, ws politeia gia na prosferoyme th bohqeia mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Toys Nomarxes toys bgalate apejw.

REPPAS: Den bgalame toys Nomarxes ejw. Giati kanete tetoia sxolia; Epilejame oi polites na lambanoyn tis epitages toys se kaqe Dhmo, opoy topoqethqhkan ypallhloi twn Nomarxiwn. Den antilambanomaste giati qa eprepe o katoikos Menidioy na metabainei sthn Kalliqea h sto Aigalew prokeimenoy na parei thn epitagh thn opoia sth synexeia qa ejargyrwsei se kapoio ypokatasthma Trapezas. Sta Anw Liosia, fer` eipein, dhmioyrghqhke ena klimakio ths Eqnikhs Trapezas kai gnwrizw oti leitoyrghse arista to systhma: Oi polites elambanan thn epitagh epitopoy kai se apostash ligwn metrwn eixan th dynatothta na thn ejargyrwsoyn. Den einai ayto poly kalytero; Den ejyphretei toys polites;

KYRIAKIDOY: Ti endeijeis yparxoyn oti h toyrkokypriakh pleyra qa erqei ayth th fora ston kainoyrgio gyro synomiliwn, me diaqesh gia pragmatikh proodo; Kai kata poson pisteyete oti qa ephreasei tis synomilies to qetiko klima poy yparxei ayto ton kairo metajy Elladas kai Toyrkias.

REPPAS: Stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis exei diamorfwqei ena klima mh entashs, as moy epitrapei aytos o xarakthrismos. Ayth fainetai oti einai mia epilogh kai ths Toyrkias. Elpizoyme to klima ayto na dhmioyrghsei nea dedomena stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis. Alla, ta nea ayta dedomena, asfalws, qa prokycoyn efoson kai h Toyrkia ekdhlwsei mia diaforetikh politikh stash se shmantika krisima qemata, opws einai to Kypriako,

Pisteyoyme oti qa prepei na ginoyn synomilies, to periexomeno twn opoiwn qa afora oles tis ptyxes toy kypriakoy problhmatos. Oydeis, ayth thn wra, mporei na prosferei eggyhseis gia tis diaqeseis toy k. Ntenktas. Mporw na ypenqymisw -epishmainontas oti apoteloyn arnhtiko stoixeio- tis dhlwseis poy exoyn kanei to teleytaio diasthma ajiwmatoyxoi ths Toyrkias kai o k. Ntenktas, oi opoies, kaqe allo para symballoyn stis prospaqeies toy dieqnoys paragonta, alla kai sth dikh mas oysiastikh eilikrinh diaqesh kai prospaqeia na anazhthsoyme oristikh, monimh, dikaih lysh toy Kypriakoy.

KWSTANTHS: Gia na mhn yparxei h dysleitoyrgia kai h adynamia metajy ths kentrikhs ejoysias kai ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs, epeidh -opws fainetai- qa einai makras diarkeias oi epiptwseis aytoy toy seismoy, mhpws problhmatizei thn kybernhsh na balei kapoio proswpo gia na syntonisei ayth th diadikasia, mesa apo thn kybernhsh, kapoion ypoyrgo, opws kai sto seismo ths Kalamatas;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola oi seismopaqeis antimetwpizontai me idiaiterh eyaisqhsia apo thn pleyra mas. Den prokeitai -epanalambanw- na dhmagwghsoyme, prospaqwntas etsi na dhmioyrghsoyme entypwseis gia alloys logoys poy den exoyn sxesh me thn antimetwpish aytoy kaqaytoy toy problhmatos. Syntonismos yparxei. O Prwqypoyrgos parakoloyqei poly stena, apo poly konta, pws efarmozontai ayta ta metra poy exei ejaggeilei h kybernhsh. Den einai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs h dhmioyrgia kapoioy idiaiteroy forea me th morfh kai to sxhma allwn epoxwn. Pisteyoyme oti den lynei kanena problhma mia tetoia epilogh. Poly perissotero otan exoyme katalhjei sth desmh metrwn ta opoia exoyme anakoinwsei kai hdh exoyme proxwrhsei sthn efarmogh toys, gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn. Ola ayta ginontai me ikanopoihtiko tropo. Ayto to opoio proexei gia mas einai na parakoloyqhsoyme mexri teloys ayth th diadikasia, na antimetwpizoyme epitopoy ta problhmata poy isws prokycoyn. Nomizw oti ola qa pane kala, arkei oloi na to epiqymoyme. Kai pera apo tis epiqymies mas na bohqhsoyme oloi gia na exoyme ta kalytera dynata apotelesmata, sto syntomotero dynato xrono.

KARGOYDH: Meta ta dyo synexh arqra toy k. Pagkaloy, shmera, yparxei mia dhlwsh toy k. Papadopoyloy, me thn opoia ekfrazei thn antirrhsh toy gia thn katarghsh twn antikeimenikwn krithriwn. Malista, thn epomenh ths kataqeshs toy sxetikoy forologikoy nomosxedioy. Epomenws, oi dyo paraithqentes apo thn ypoqesh Otsalan ypoyrgoi kanoyn fanerh thn politikh toys paroysia. Hqela na rwthsw ean epikeitai amesa epanajiopoihsh twn dyo ypoyrgwn.

REPPAS: Den yparxei qema anasxhmatismoy. Exei milhsei gi ayto o Prwqypoyrgos. Mhn epixeireite apo thn "pisw porta" na ferete pali pros syzhthsh tetoio qema. Oson afora twra ayto kaqayto to metro ths katarghshs twn legomenwn antikeimenikwn krithriwn, mporw na kanw to ejhs sxolio: To metro ayto qespisthke epi ypoyrgias toy k. Papadopoyloy. Gnwrizete poly kala oti o k. Papadopoylos htan enas epityxhmenos Ypoyrgos. Aytos eishgage to systhma TAXIS gia th mhxanorganwsh twn oikonomikwn yphresiwn ths xwras. Eixame pei, apo to 1996, dia stomatos toy Prwqypoyrgoy, oti ta antikeimenika krithria qa katarghqoyn otan qa exei dhmioyrghqei h analogh ypodomh, wste na mporoyme na antimetwpisoyme, kata periptwsh -analogws ths forodotikhs ikanothtas kaqe forologoymenoy- to qema ths forologhshs twn eisodhmatwn. Eimaste twra se ayth th fash. Pisteyoyme oti exoyn dhmioyrghqei oi katallhles proypoqeseis, oson afora thn ypodomh -milw gia to systhma TAXIS- oson afora toys elegktikoys mhxanismoys -milw gia thn apotelesmatikh leitoyrgia toy Swmatos Diwjhs Oikonomikoy Egklhmatos, toy gnwstoy ws SDOE- pragma to opoio mas epitrepei na proxwrhsoyme sthn ylopoihsh ayths ths ejaggelias. Den kanoyme tipota allo para na apodeiknyomaste synepeis se sxesh me ayta ta opoia eixame ejaggeilei.

KARGOYDH: Epomenws, oi shmerines parathrhseis toy k. Papadopoyloy, einai astoxes;

REPPAS: Ayto einai ena symperasma sto opoio odhgeiste eseis. O k. Papadopoylos exei th dikh toy empeiria. Oi logoi, oi opoioi epebalan tote thn egkaqidrysh twn antikeimenikwn krithriwn, htan gnwstoi. Exoyn allajei oi synqhkes kai milhsa gi ayto. Swsth ekeinh h epilogh, swsth kai ayth h epilogh stis nees synqhkes, stis opoies hdh exoyme eiselqei.

KARGOYDH: O k. Klhridhs, se mia ef` olhs ths ylhs, synenteyjh toy sth Leykwsia, proxqes, proebh se mia ektimhsh, oti ypo proypoqeseis einai dynath mia synanthsh koryfhs metajy Elladas, Toyrkias, Kyproy kai Ntenktas, ypo ton k. Klinton, me aformh th Synodo toy OASE sthn Kwnstantinoypolh. Hqela na rwthsw ean aytes oi proypoqeseis h h ektimhsh toy k. Klhridh apasxolhsan th synanthsh toy me ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo;

REPPAS: Milate gia synanthseis twn opoiwn to antikeimeno qa einai to kypriako problhma. Oson afora tis synomilies gia to kypriako qema, gnwrizete poly kala, oti exei ekdhlwqei diaqesh apo to dieqnh paragonta na symbalei sthn enarjh aytwn twn synomiliwn. Den exei parei, omws, sygkekrimenh morfh, ayth thn wra poy syzhtoyme. Poio, dhladh, qa einai to sxhma, poioi qa symmetexoyn kai pws qa syzhtoyn. Ola ayta einai qemata, ta opoia qa antimetwpistoyn tis epomenes hmeres. O k. Klhridhs, gnwrizete oti metabainei sto Londino kai apo ekei sth Nea Yorkh, ston OHE. Qa exei th dynatothta na syzhthsei me ajiwmatoyxoys, prokeimenoy na yparjei proetoimasia enocei toy endexomenoy aytwn twn synomiliwn. Ayto to opoio mporw kathgorhmatika na pw ayth thn wra, einai toyto: h ellhnokypriakh pleyra einai etoimh na proselqei se synomilies, oi opoies qa aforoyn oles tis ptyxes toy Kypriakoy. Ayto epiqymoyme. Qa poyme "oxi" se synomilies oi opoies mporei na xrhsimopoihqoyn parelkystika gia th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn kai monon. Qa poyme "nai" stis synomilies, oi opoies qa exoyn stoxo kai epidiwjh na bohqhsoyn thn prospaqeia epilyshs toy kypriakoy problhmatos.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean yphrje plhrhs taytish apocewn twn dyo pleyrwn. Akomh, epeidh, to teleytaio diasthma sthn Kypro gnwrizete oti yparxei mia antidrash, qa hqela na rwthsw, ean yparxei, ean ylopoieitai, ean einai stasimo to Amyntiko Dogma kai ti syzhthqhke ep` aytoy; Kai telos, ea o k. Klhridhs ebale sto trapezi kapoio sxedio apo pleyras HPA;

REPPAS: H taytish metajy twn dyo pleyrwn htan apolyth. H poreia twn pragmatwn, opws qa thn antimetwpisei h kypriakh kybernhsh, symfwnhqhke omofwnws. Epishs, o Prwqypoyrgos, meta th synanthsh, dhlwse pws to dogma toy EAX einai basikh synistwsa stis sxeseis twn dyo kratwn, ara einai isxyro. Den epitrepetai opoiadhpote syzhthsh h opoia qetei se amfibolia, toso th diaqesh, oso kai tis praktikes epiloges mas na employtisoyme to Dogma toy EAX. Oson afora to allo qema, to opoio qesate, gia tis synomilies, epanalambanw ayta poy eipa prin: Ayth thn wra ekdhlwnetai endiaferon na epanarxisoyn oi synomilies. Den yparxei kapoio sygkekrimeno sxedio, kapoio senario, to opoio na einai toso safes kai leptomeres, wste me bash ayto na kaloyntai na syzhthsoyn oi dyo pleyres. Oi dyo pleyres proserxontai se dialogo xwris proypoqeseis. Ayto exei eipwqei apo thn arxh. Emeis symfwnoyme me ayto. Arkei, bebaiws, o dialogos na anaptyxqei se ola ta qemata poy exoyn sxesh me to Kypriako kai oxi se orismenes pleyres toy. Kapoioi paragontes isws epejergazontai diafores protaseis. Aytes, omws, fantazomai oti qa paroysiastoyn epishmws thn katallhlh stigmh. Mexri twra den exoyn perielqei se gnwsh twn kybernhsewn mas.

FILHS: O Mikhs Qeodwrakhs, ton opoio proteinei ws ypochfio olh h politikh hgesia gia to Nompel Eirhnhs, se dhlwsh toy feretai na eipe oti ajizei h EMAK kai h SAKOYT na paroyn to Nompel Eirhnhs. Ayto dieykolynei thn kybernhsh na yioqethsei thn protash gia na doqei to Nompel Eirhnhs sthn EMAK kai th SAKOYT.

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na kanw prwta ena sxolio: H dhlwsh ayth toy Mikh Qeodwrakh apodeiknyei kai pali to megaleio toy. Oson afora twra thn oysia toy qematos, asfalws, oi sygkinhtikes prospaqeies, oi prajeis allhleggyhs twn swstikwn synergeiwn twn dyo xwrwn, mporei na apotelesoyn to protypo, ton piloto gia thn peraiterw anaptyjh twn sxesewn kai se alloys tomeis, idiws, malista, otan den yparxei aytos o aifnidios, epeigwn kai ejwgenhs logos, opws einai o seismos kai oi synepeies toy.

O Mikhs Qeodwrakhs paramenei, me thn ypografh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai allwn epifanwn paragontwn ths dhmosias zwhs ths xwras, h protash mas. Pisteyoyme oti ola ayta ta qemata poy sxetizontai me thn aponomh twn brabeiwn Nompel, thn katallhlh stigmh, oi armodioi qa ta antimetwpisoyn me tetoio prisma, wste na mhn adikhqei o Mikhs Qeodwrakhs. Xwris, apo thn allh, na mporei na pei kaneis oti prepei na perasei sto periqwrio, xwris na tyxei dieqnoys anagnwrishs, h prospaqeia poy kanoyn ta swstika synergeia.

FILHS: Tis teleytaies hmeres parakoloyqoyme mia ayjhsh twn timwn toy petrelaioy kai toy dolarioy. H kybernhsh pisteyei oti ayto qa ephreasei thn oikonomikh politikh ths;

REPPAS: Oi ejelijeis aytes asfalws epibarynoyn ta oikonomika dedomena. Oson afora thn timh toy petrelaioy, oi proseggiseis mas -to exoyme pei allwste edw kai kairo- htan arketa katw apo thn timh poy exei shmera to petrelaio. Gnwrizete oti exei jeperasei, edw kai arketo kairo, ta 20 dolaria ana bareli, enw anamename thn timh toy to poly, sta 15-16 dolaria. Bebaiws, ayta ta exoyme labei ypoch mas. Apo thn allh, omws, oi parenergeies poy dhmioyrgoyntai apo aytes tis ejelijeis, pisteyoyme oti den einai toso kaqoristikes, den einai tetoies, wste na anatrecoyn ton oikonomiko sxediasmo. Kai ayto ofeiletai sto oti epityxame h ellhnikh oikonomia na exei pro polloy jefygei apo to epipedo sto opoio briskotan gia polla xronia, sto parelqon, kai etsi na mporei shmera na antimetwpizei me sxetikh anesh tetoia aifnidia kai anapantexa fainomena.

FILHS: Epimeroys diaforopoihseis twn ejaggeliwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy sxetika me ta metra yparxoyn;

REPPAS: Kamia diaforopoihsh.

Eyxaristw poly.

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