Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-07-30

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 30 Ioylioy 1999

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

SOYRMELHS: Pws paei o ellhnotoyrkikos dialogos;

AQANASAKHS: Prepei na oloklhrwqhke prin apo liga lepta. Den exw plhrh enhmerwsh ayth th stigmh. Gnwrizw oti, xqes, to klima htan qetiko. H kat` arxhn enhmerwsh poy exw einai oti kai shmera to klima htan kalo. Qa sas parakalesw, omws, na perimenete tis anakoinwseis poy qa ginoyn apo to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Ayrio to prwi, opws exei anakoinwqei, o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy qa synanthqei me thn toyrkikh antiproswpeia kai meta th synanthsh qa probei se dhlwseis.

GARGALAKOS: Oi dhlwseis toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn exoyn dhmioyrghsei mia sygxysh kai exoyn prokalesei thn antidrash shmantikwn paragontwn ths politikhs zwhs. Exete kapoio sxolio ep` aytoy;

AQANASAKHS: Qewrw, kat` arxhn, oti to qema epi ths oysias syzhthqhke analytika, ejantlhtika, sth xqesinh enhmerwsh apo ton ypoyrgo D. Reppa. Kai den eimai bebaios kata poso mia epektash ths syzhthshs, kai malista xwris na exei kaneis gnwsh olwn twn keimenwn, bohqa peraiterw. Anamenontas thn erwthsh sas, prospaqhsa na synocisw kai na proetoimasw mia dhlwsh, gia na eimai safhs. Kai ayto, epanalambanw, sto plaisio poy sas eipa oti to qema ejantlhqhke, epi ths oysias toy, sth xqesinh syzhthsh.

Apantw loipon:

Anagnwrizoyme, basei ths Synqhkhs ths Lwzanhs, poy apotelei akrogwniaio liqo ths ejwterikhs politikhs mas, moysoylmanikh meionothta, profanws ws qrhskeytikh meionothta.

H moysoylmanikh meionothta, h opoia apoteleitai apo toyrkogeneis, Pomakoys, Tsigganoys -sthn afethria ths Synqhkhs qa mporoyse kaneis na anaferqei kai se arabogeneis kai ejislamisqentes Ellhnes-. askei anempodista ola ta dikaiwmata ths.

To antiqeto, dystyxws, synebh se oti afora tis ypoxrewseis ths Toyrkias poy aporreoyn apo th Synqhkh ths Lwzanhs.

Den anagnwrizoyme opoiadhpote eqnikh meionothta kai den yparxei qema anagnwrishs eqnikhs meionothtas ("toyrkikhs", "tsigganikhs", "pomakikhs" h opoias allhs).

To dikaiwma aytoprosdiorismoy poy eisagetai me ta keimena ths Kopegxaghs, twn Parisiwn k. lp., einai atomiko dikaiwma kai ws tetoio to anagnwrizoyme.

Den anagnwrizoyme syllogiko dikaiwma aytoprosdiorismoy.

Ayth einai h qesh ths kybernhshs. Ayth htan kai xqes kai proxqes. Kai ayth th qesh akoloyqei o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn.

PAYLOPOYLOS: Par` ola ayta, k. Ekproswpe, otan o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn bgainei liges hmeres meta thn proklhsh, thn politikh -opws xarakthristhke- diakhryjh twn triwn Moysoylmanwn boyleytwn, poy eqesan qema anagnwrishs toyrkikhs meionothtas, kai anagnwrizei to dikaiwma aytoprosdiorismoy twn Moysoylmanwn, ws Toyrkwn, den qewreite oti dhmioyrgeitai problhma me mia tetoia dhlwsh;

AQANASAKHS: Ayta poy qetete einai diaforetika qemata. Gia th dhlwsh twn triwn Moysoylmanwn boyleytwn kai kapoiwn allwn forewn poy prosypegrafan yphrje -opws gnwrizete- sygkekrimenh kybernhtikh qesh, yphrje dhlwsh toy ypoyrgoy Typoy kai Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy Dhmhtrh Reppa, h opoia ekfrazei kai ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn, profanws. Den qelw na epanalabw to pote doqhke h synenteyjh, to pws ayta ta dyo qemata den sxetizontan. Epanalambanw oti qewrw pws exei ejantlhqei to qema se ayto to skelos.

Ypogrammisw, pantws, oti h dhlwsh twn triwn Moysoylmanwn den eqete mono zhthma "toyrkikhs meionothtas", eqete kai qema ypotiqemenhs katapieshs ths meionothtas, opws, epishs kai thn anakalych mias allhs meionothtas kai alla qemata.

FILHS: Kai xqes o k. Reppas, alla kai eseis shmera, yposthrizete oti h Synqhkh ths Lwzanhs, anagnwrizei -kai swsta to lete- moysoylmanikh meionothta, gia thn akribeia anagnwrizei sto arqro 45 -ston plhqyntiko anaferetai- moysoylmanikes meionothtes, kai meta lete oti, epishs, h Synqhkh anagnwrizei toyrkogeneis, Pomakoys kai aqigganoys. Ayto den isxyei.

AQANASAKHS: Prokyptei apo ta sxetika praktika, oxi apo arqro -exw thn entypwsh- ta opoia einai prosarthmena kai mporeite na ta breite. Prokyptei apo thn olh syzhthsh poy eixe prohghqei ths ypografhs ths Synqhkhs. Kai sas qymizw -to gnwrizete- oti ta arqra anaferontai, opws einai diatypwmena, stis ypoxrewseis ths Toyrkias kai sto telos yparxei mia syntomh anafora, oti ta idia isxyoyn kai gia th moysoylmanikh meionothta sthn Ellada.

FILHS: Eipate oti einai atomiko dikaiwma kai oxi syllogiko to dikaiwma toy aytoprosdiorismoy. Dhladh, me bash ayth thn apoch mporei enas boyleyths na pei "eimai Toyrkos".

AQANASAKHS: Den yparxei logos na mpoyme se mia seira tetoiwn ypoqesewn. Den exw logo na kanw tetoia dhlwsh. Qa anatrejei stis synqhkes, stis symbaseis, sta keimena na dei ti dikaioytai, na dei poies ypoxrewseis aporreoyn apo ayta...

FILHS: An ayrio enas idiokthths ekpaideythrioy sthn Janqh h sthn Komothnh gracei "toyrkiko sxoleio". Ayto...

AQANASAKHS: Ayto synebh sto parelqon ws epilogh...

FILHS:... epi Papagoy. Shmera einai nomimo ayto; Einai anekto;

AQANASAKHS: Ayto krinetai sta Dikasthria.

FILHS: Einai anekto politika apo thn kybernhsh;

AQANASAKHS: Ayto krinetai se alles diadikasies.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Xqes, oi politikoi arxhgoi zhthsan apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, me aformh tis dhlwseis toy k. Papandreoy, kapoies ejhghseis. Protiqetai o Prwqypoyrgos na kanei dhlwseis gi` ayto to qema;

AQANASAKHS: O Prwqypoyrgos symmetexei se mia diadikasia, shmera, h opoia einai anoixth, dhmosia kai synodeyetai apo dhmosiografoys.

BITALHS: Shmera, sth dhlwsh sas, yposthrizete -kai orqws- oti to qema toy aytoprosdiorismoy afora atomiko dikaiwma kai oxi syllogiko. Xqes, omws, den egine to idio. Kai to deytero, einai to ejhs: Den milw gia th synenteyjh toy k. Papandreoy sto "Klik", milw gia th synenteyjh toy k. Papandreoy sto "FLASH"...

AQANASAKHS: Qelw na eimai poly prosektikos. Lew "den anagnwrizoyme syllogiko dikaiwma".

BITALHS: Bebaiws. Shmera to lete ayto. Den eipwqhke, xqes.

AQANASAKHS: Den einai etsi. Jerete, olo ayto to plegma twn synqhkwn kai twn keimenwn poy eisagontai h ypografontai -sas qymizw parenqetika oti h Kopegxagh ypegrafh to 1990, otan den htan kybernhsh to PASOK- prepei na ta dei kaneis synolika, na ta syndyazei. Yparxoyn oi apoceis nomikwn yphresiwn. Einai ena plegma. Den qa hqela kai einai paraklhsh ayto -xwris na lew oti exei ginei, apofeygw na pw oti exei ginei kai lew paraklhsh gia to mellon- na apofeygontai yperaploysteyseis sta qemata ayta. Einai polyploka qemata. H qesh ths Elladas htan kai einai safhs.

BITALHS: Kat` arxhn, moy epitrepete ena sxolio...

AQANASAKHS: Oxi sxolio. Erwthsh an exete.

BITALHS: Efoson, loipon, shmera, ginetai ayth h dhlwsh...

AQANASAKHS: To idio isxye kai xqes.

BITALHS: Den isxye xqes.

AQANASAKHS: To idio isxye kai xqes. Den einai efeyresh shmerinh. Isxyei.

BITALHS: Efoson isxyei ayto, pleon, ws kybernhtikh qesh...

AQANASAKHS: Oxi "pleon". Diorqwnw to "pleon".

BITALHS: Efoson ayto lete oti einai kybernhtikh qesh -bgazw to pleon- erwtw to ejhs: Sth synenteyjh toy sto "Klik" o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn den eqese tetoio qema. Tiqetai, omws, ena qema apo th xqesinh synenteyjh toy ypoyrgoy sto "FLASH", opoy kapoy leei oti "oi nees dieqneis synqhkes, isws, mas anagkasoyn na anagnwrisoyme meionothtes". H erwthsh einai: Apo th stigmh, loipon, poy exete jekaqarisei ayto to pragma, oti to dikaiwma aytoprosdiorismoy einai atomiko, moy menei kai emena mia aporia, oson afora tis dhlwseis toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn sto "FLASH", me tis opoies leei " newteres synqhkes" -kai anarwtiemai poies einai oi newteres synqhkes- "mporei na piestoyme na anagnwrisoyme meionothtes". Gia thn akribeia, yparxei mia antifash edw.

AQANASAKHS: Akoyste. Ta keimena ayta twn dieqnwn synqhkwn, ta opoia kaneis ta diabazei ws exoyn stis lejeis toys, ofeilei na ta syndyasei me ta alla keimena poy yparxoyn h me tis synqhkes poy exoyme sthn prokeimenh periptwsh kai na bgalei to symperasma toy kai na pei "isxyei ayto", "anagnwrizw ayto, den anagnwrizw to allo". Parakalw na to deite. An diabasete, as poyme, to keimeno toy Strasboyrgoy kai to diabasete mono toy, xwris th nomikh yposthrijh toy...

BITALHS: Poio keimeno toy Strasboyrgoy;

AQANASAKHS: Th Synqhkh gia ta dikaiwmata twn meionothtwn. An, loipon, diabasete to keimeno mono toy, xwris ta alla isxyonta, mporei na bgalete ena symperasma poy na odhgei se mia allh apoch kai kapoios na yposthrizei ayth thn apoch. Sas parakalw na blepete ayta ta keimena se syndyasmo, sto synolo toys, gia na mporoyme na jeroyme poy patame kai poy phgainoyme. Kai den exoyme kanena logo na dhmioyrgoyme emeis prosqeta problhmata kai syzhthseis.

BITALHS: Den anoijame emeis, k. Ekproswpe, kapoio tetoio qema kai deyteron, ejakoloyqw na mhn katalabainw thn anafora kai th sygkrish anamesa se mia dieqnh synqhkh, opws einai ayth ths Lwzanhs kai se ena keimeno diakhryjhs arxwn. Den katalabainw. Kapoy exw thn aisqhsh oti mpainoyn sth idia zygaria ayta ta pragmata.

AQANASAKHS: Ayth thn adynamia antilhchs sas mporeite na thn katagracete sthn arqrografia sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prohgoymenws, erwthqeis, eipate sto synadelfo oti o Prwqypoyrgos einai se apostolh kai oti synodeyetai apo dhmosiografoys. Dhladh, prokeitai na kanei shmera kapoia dhlwsh gyrw apo to qema ayto;

AQANASAKHS: Den jerw k. Stamatopoyle. Anaxwrhsan poly nwris to prwi. Omologw oti koimomoyn thn wra poy anaxwrhsan.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sas rwthse o synadelfos ean o Prwqypoyrgos qa kanei kapoia dhlwsh kai eipate oti...

AQANASAKHS: Ean erwthqei o Prwqypoyrgos, qa epilejei thn apanthsh thn opoia qelei na dwsei. Egw qa ypagoreysw apo thn Aqhna th dhlwsh poy qa kanei h qa qelhsei na kanei o Prwqypoyrgos sto Saragebo;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, ean prokeitai, lew.

AQANASAKHS: Ean erwthqei qa apanthsei h den qa apanthsei kai eseis qa to krinete analogws. Me bazete se mia diadikasia poy den mporw na apanthsw. Ypoqetw oti an erwthqei, qa apanthsei. Panta o Prwqypoyrgos, otan erwtatai, apanta.

KARELIAS: Jekaqarisate th qesh ths kybernhshs sto epimaxo qema kai prosqesate "ayth th qesh, profanws, anagnwrizei kai o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn".

AQANASAKHS: Oxi, oxi den eipa ayto.

KARELIAS: Etsi akribws to eipate.

AQANASAKHS: Oxi, qa epanalabw ayto poy eipa. Eipa, ayth einai h qesh ths kybernhshs, ayth htan xqes, htan kai proxqes, aythn akoloyqei kai efarmozei o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn. Den eipa "anagnwrizei". Exei mia diafora.

KARELIAS: O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, xqes, eipe epi lejei: "An den amfisbhtoyntai ta synora posws me endiaferei ean kapoios onomazetai Toyrkos, Pomakos, Boylgaros k. lp". Kai erwtw: Ayth th qesh toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn th symmerizetai h kybernhsh;

AQANASAKHS: O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn edwse to baros toy sto krisimo qema poy einai -gia ola ta Balkania- o sebasmos twn synorwn apo th mia meria kai sthn epoxh poy zoyme kai epeidh apo ekei phgazoyn oi sygkroyseis kai o sebasmos twn dikaiwmatwn twn meionothtwn, apo thn allh. To deytero skelos ths protashs toy qa deite oti den erxetai se kamia antifash me ayto poy egw lew, dioti anaferetai se atomiko dikaiwma aytoprosdiorismoy. Den exw, omws, logo, shmera na anakyklwsw ayth th syzhthsh.

PARIS: Den apasxolei thn kybernhsh to gegonos oti an kai efoson anagnwrizoyme to dikaiwma toy aytoprosdiorismoy, ean mazeytoyn 80-100 xiliades aytoprosdiorizomenoi kai aytoprosdioristoyn ws toyrkogeneis, ws Toyrkoi, qa prokycei qema toyrkikhs meionothtas;

AQANASAKHS: Giati me bazete se mia diadikasia senariwn; Exoyme mia moysoylmanikh meionothta, h meionothta ayth exei sygkekrimena dikaiwmata, opws ayta phgazoyn kai apo th Lwzanh kai apo olo to dieqnes plaisio. Ayta ta dikaiwmata einai sebasta, einai dikaiwmata poy aforoyn tis qrhskeytikes toys eleyqeries, th glwssa, thn ekpaideysh, aforoyn tis politismikes diastaseis twn drasthriothtwn toys. Den yparxei kapoio allo qema.

Sas eyxaristw. Kales diakopes.

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