Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-06-14

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 14 Ioynioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

* Qa moy epitrecete na kanw ena sxolio: Meta tis xqesines ekloges, koitame mprosta kai synexizoyme pio dynamika, pio apofasistika, pio apotelesmatika thn prospaqeia mas gia na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata ths xwras kai toy ellhnikoy laoy. To eklogiko apotelesma diasfalizei ena staqero politiko plaisio, to opoio epitrepei sthn kybernhsh na synexisei thn prospaqeia ths. To eklogiko apotelesma epibebaiwnei tis megales epiloges ths kybernhshs gia th dieqnh qesh ths xwras, gia thn entajh ths Elladas sthn ONE, gia thn aproskopth leitoyrgia twn qesmwn, gia thn enisxysh ths oikonomikhs anaptyjhs. Exoyme epignwsh twn problhmatwn poy antimetwpizoyn oi polites sthn kaqhmerinh zwh toys. Qa synexisoyme me megalyterh entash gia na epityxoyme ta apotelesmata poy oloi epiqymoyme kai prosdokoyme, giati exoyme th boylhsh, exoyme kai programma, prokeimenoy na dwsoyme lyseis sta problhmata. Qa ginoyme pio apotelesmatikoi, giati exoyme thn prwtoboylia twn kinhsewn. H kybernhsh einai ayth, h opoia antimetwpise ta megala qemata kai qa synexisei na antimetwpizei ola ta qemata, enocei twn eqnikwn eklogwn toy 2000, otan qa kriqei kai pali apo ton ellhniko lao. Exoyme thn entolh toy ellhnikoy laoy kai exoyme kai to xreos na lysoyme ta problhmata ayta. Pisteyoyme oti otan erqei h wra ths krishs stis eqnikes ekloges, qa exoyme kai pali thn epidokimasia toy ellhnikoy laoy.

H strathgikh ths N. D. gia anatroph toy politikoy skhnikoy, apetyxe. H N. D., opws kai oi hgesies twn allwn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs, proxwrhsan se ena monometwpo agwna apenanti sthn kybernhsh kai to PASOK, anaferomenoi sthn kybernhtikh politikh. Afoy edeijan plhrh adynamia na proteinoyn idees, qeseis kai programmata gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn, sygkrothsan ena metwpo arnhshs. Pisteyw oti oi analogies, poy se kanenan den prepei na diafeygoyn, anamesa stis eqnikes ekloges kai tis eyrwekloges, opws epishs anamesa sthn kybernhsh kai thn antipoliteysh, dikaiologoyn to symperasma to opoio, kat` arxhn, mporei kapoios na bgalei, oti to politiko skhniko paramenei staqero. Den dhmioyrgoyntai proypoqeseis reystothtas kai astaqeias ki ayto einai para poly qetikh ejelijh. Dieykolynei to ergo ths kybernhshs h ejelijh ayth. Opws epishs, dikaiologeitai to symperasma oti xreiazetai na synexisoyme me pio entatikoys ryqmoys kai pio apotelesmatika thn politikh mas, probainontas stis anagkaies beltiwseis, opoy ayto einai aparaithto. To 2000, opws problepei to Syntagma, poy h kybernhsh qa oloklhrwsei th qhteia ths, exontas th dynatothta na paroysiasei pleon me pio emfanh tropo ta apotelesmata toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, qa kriqei kai pali apo ton ellhniko lao.

Antilambaneste pws shmera eimaste mia hmera -oyte kan mia hmera- meta tis ekloges, meta ta eklogika apotelesmata. Ta kommata -opws kai to kybernwn komma, etsi kai ta alla kommata- qa proboyn se analyseis, prokeimenoy na ejaxqoyn ta telika politika symperasmata. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai oti oi synqhkes poy diamorfwnontai meta tis ekloges -oi opoies, epanalambanw, einai synqhkes staqerothtas gia th synexish ths politikhs, me tis diorqwseis, opoy aytes apaitoyntai, alla sthn idia kateyqynsh, me pio apotelesmatiko kai pio dynamiko tropo- pisteyw oti qa mas odhghsoyn telikws sthn epiteyjh twn megalwn stoxwn, poy einai h peraiterw anabaqmish kai enisxysh ths qeshs ths Elladas sth dieqnh skhnh, h dhmioyrgia kalyterwn synqhkwn zwhs gia ton polith. Pragmata ta opoia qa syzhtoyme olh ayth thn periodo poy apomenei mexri tis eqnikes ekloges, opote o ellhnikos laos qa exei kai pali to logo.

Ayta apo meroys moy.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Para thn apotyxia ths prospaqeias anatrophs toy politikoy skhnikoy kai mia oriakh anodo ths N. D., yparxei mia safhs metakinhsh pros thn Aristera kai idiaitera pros to Kommoynistiko Komma Ellados kai to DHKKI. Ayto gia thn kybernhsh, ti mhnyma komizei; Ekane kapoies dhlwseis o Prwqypoyrgos, xqes to brady. Eseis, exete kanei kapoia prwth analysh, ti mhnyma komizei ayth h safhs pleon tash metatopishs, xwris bebaia dramatikes anatropes...

REPPAS: Oi analyseis twn eklogikwn apotelesmatwn qa ginoyn kai qa oloklhrwqoyn tis epomenes hmeres. Mporoyme na poyme oti to eklogiko apotelesma isodynamei me thn anagkh na beltiwsoyme thn apotelesmatikothta mas se tomeis opoy diafores omades toy plhqysmoy antimetwpizoyn problhmata. Exoyme milhsei gia to problhma ths anergias, th dhmioyrgia synqhkwn asfaleias gia ton polith sthn kaqhmerinh zwh toy, sthn polh kai thn ypaiqro kai alla qemata, ta opoia ayth thn wra apaitoyn apo mas pio entatikoys ryqmoys sth doyleia mas, prokeimenoy ta apotelesmata mas na einai kalytera. Pisteyw oti ayth h tash toy eklogikoy swmatos apogohteyei th N. D., afoy den ths dinei to pososto ekeino poy qa ths epetrepe na apokthsei mia fora, mia dynamikh ejoysias. To pleonekthma paramenei sthn kybernhsh, enocei twn oswn exoyn prohghqei kai twn oswn anamenontai thn epomenh periodo, me thn oloklhrwsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, pragma poy qa mas ferei se poly kalyterh qesh, gia na diekdikhsoyme thn chfo toy ellhnikoy laoy stis ekloges toy 2000.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos elege oti an den erqei prwto to komma toy, den mporei na efarmosei thn politikh toy. Twra, pws mporei na thn efarmosei, afoy den hrqe prwto komma;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos sth dhlwsh toy htan safhs. Eipe oti den petyxame to megisto twn stoxwn mas, na anadeixqoyme prwto komma. To eklogiko apotelesma diasfalizei ayth th staqerothta poy einai aparaithth, prokeimenoy h kybernhsh na synexisei kai na oloklhrwsei to ergo ths. Gnwrizete poly kala pws, xwris na paragnwrizoyme thn ajia kai th shmasia, politikh kai symbolikh, toy eklogikoy apotelesmatos, apo thn allh, h kybernhsh einai ayth, h opoia synexizei th qhteia ths kai qa thn oloklhrwsei, symfwna me thn entolh toy ellhnikoy laoy, entolh apo tis ekloges toy Septembrioy toy 1996, symfwna me ta osa problepei to Syntagma toy kratoys. Pisteyoyme, loipon, kai apantw se sxesh kai me to erwthma toy synadelfoy sas k. Leontopoyloy, oti h N. D. den exei dynamikh ejoysias, meta apo ayto to eklogiko apotelesma. Gi` ayto akribws, to apotelesma krinetai kai ws qetiko gia thn kybernhsh, afoy me to eklogiko ayto apotelesma apomakrynontai oi kindynoi gia th dhmioyrgia synqhkwn astaqeias kai reystothtas, diasfalizetai ena staqero politiko plaisio poy epitrepei sthn kybernhsh na synexisei adiatarakta to ergo ths, pairnontas, bebaiws, ypoch oles tis parametroys aytoy toy eklogikoy apotelesmatos, prokeimenoy me pio apotelesmatiko tropo na antimetwpisei ta problhmata -kai exoyme epignwsh aytwn twn problhmatwn- ths xwras kai toy ellhnikoy laoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw, allo rwthsa. O Prwqypoyrgos elege, apo ta mpalkonia poy milage, oti an den erqei prwto komma to PASOK, den mporei h kybernhsh na efarmosei thn politikh ths. Den elege oti an exw tosh diafora me th N. D.... Elege, an den erqoyme prwtoi, den mporoyme na efarmosoyme to programma mas, thn politikh mas. Twra, pws ginetai na erxetai deytero komma, me treis monades diafora, kai na mporei na thn efarmosei; Cemmata elege;

REPPAS: Thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, h xwra mas eixe mia kybernhsh, h opoia sthrizotan sthn koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia poy ths pareixe to PASOK. Meta tis ekloges, h xwra mas exei mia kybernhsh, h opoia sthrizetai sthn idia pleiochfia. H kybernhsh, loipon, synexizei to ergo ths. H kybernhsh einai ayth h opoia odhgei th xwra gia thn epiteyjh twn megalwn stoxwn. Oydeis to amfisbhtei ayto. Oydeis qetei qema. Ayto apodeiknyei me ton kalytero tropo oti kai katw apo tis nees synqhkes poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei, meta to eklogiko apotelesma, h kybernhsh einai ayth h opoia exei ypoxrewsh kai thn entolh toy ellhnikoy laoy na synexisei kai na oloklhrwsei to ergo ths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws, meta apo ayto to apotelesma, o Prwqypoyrgos skeftetai na paraithqei kai na dwsei th qesh toy se kapoion allon sto PASOK;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos ejelegh Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras me thn entolh toy ellhnikoy laoy stis ekloges toy 1996. O Prwqypoyrgos qa antapokriqei s` ayto poy qa apotelei kai pali epiqymia kai entolh toy ellhnikoy laoy, stis ekloges toy 2000. Kai qa antapokriqei qetika, opws ekane kai to 1996, wste na synexisei ws Prwqypoyrgos na kyberna kai meta to 2000.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mesa sthn ebdomada, poia hmera qa ginei anasxhmatismos;

REPPAS: An eseis exete ypoch sas na probeite se anasxhmatismo se tomeis poy einai sthn armodiothta sas, to gnwrizete. An anafereste se anasxhmatismo ths kybernhshs, ayto einai qema toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Mporw na sas diabebaiwsw oti tetoio qema den antimetwpizetai.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, meta ta xqesina apotelesmata h kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos skeftontai na pame -mia kai klima gia to PASOK den htan toso kako- se prowres ekloges to Fqinopwro;

REPPAS: Den yparxei tetoio qema. H kybernhsh qa oloklhrwsh to ergo ths kai th qhteia ths kai qa kriqei apo ton ellhniko lao stis ekloges toy 2000.

SOYGLERHS: Mhpws h kybernhsh skeftetai me poies diorqwtikes kinhseis qa antimetwpisei ta tria kommata ths Aristeras, poy sygkentrwsan to 20%. Exete kati sygkekrimeno;

REPPAS: Ypainixqhka prin, apantwntas ston k. Leontopoylo, oti prokeimenoy na ejaxqoyn swsta politika symperasmata den prepei na mas diafeygei afenos o xarakthras twn eyrweklogwn se sxesh me to xarakthra twn eqnikwn eklogwn kai afeteroy o rolos kai h qesh ths kybernhshs se sxesh me to rolo kai th qesh twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs. Antilambaneste, loipon, pws ola ayta apotypwnontai sto sygkekrimeno eklogiko apotelesma. Apo thn allh, emeis prepei sthn prajh na apodeixqoyme pio apotelesmatikoi, na beltiwsoyme tis epidoseis mas se tomeis poy einai shmantikoi, einai krisimoi gia thn eyhmeria toy ellhnikoy laoy, gia th beltiwsh ths poiothtas ths kaqhmerinhs zwhs. S' ayth thn kateyqynsh qa kinhqoyme.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qelw na rwthsw anoikta. Qa synergasteite me ta kommata ths Aristeras apo edw kai pera mexri tis epomenes ekloges;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh sthrizetai se mia shmantikh, megalh koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia sthn opoia qa synexisei na sthrizetai, prokeimenoy na oloklhrwsei to ergo ths.

PAPPA: En toytois kai o Prwqypoyrgos sth synenteyjh toy sto Zappeio proeklogika kai polloi ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs eixan pei oti an s' aytes tis ekloges yparjei chfos diamartyrias, qa yparxei mia dysxereia sto h kybernhsh na synexisei to ergo ths. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw prwton, an qewreite oti ayto to eklogiko apotelesma dhmioyrgei kapoies dysxereies sthn kybernhsh kai deyteron, qa hqela ena sxolio sas se sxesh me th synthrhtikh strofh stis xwres ths Eyrwphs.

REPPAS: Oson afora thn prwth erwthsh, asfalws qa epiqymoysame na exoyme anadeixtei prwto komma. Asfalws, qa epiqymoysame to eklogiko apotelesma na htan kalytero apo to xqesino apotelesma. Apo thn allh oydeis amfisbhtei oti h kybernhsh toy PASOK einai ayth h opoia synexizei to ergo ths. Menei na apodeixtei poia qa einai ta empodia kai oi dyskolies, poy qa synanthsei sto dromo ths h kybernhsh kata thn ektelesh twn kaqhkontwn ths. Pisteyoyme oti to eklogiko apotelesma dinei ena safh prosanatolismo, oson afora tis megales epiloges ths xwras. Ayto apotelei gia mas mia epibebaiwsh twn epilogwn ths kybernhshs. Milw gia th dieqnh qesh ths xwras, gia thn entajh ths Elladas sthn ONE, gia thn oikonomikh anaptyjh kai th leitoyrgia twn qesmwn, mesw twn opoiwn diasfalizetai h politikh staqerothta sto eswteriko ths xwras. Apo thn allh, bebaiws, qa enteinoyme thn prospaqeia mas prokeimenoy na eimaste pio apotelesmatikoi se krisimoys gia thn kaqhmerinh zwh toy polith tomeis. Menei, loipon, na fanei sthn prajh poia einai h antiprotash twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs, apenanti sto programma to opoio efarmozei h kybernhsh mas. Mexri twra den eidame sygkekrimenh antiprotash. Epeidh to 2000 o laos den chfizei krinontas aplws ta kommata, chfizei krinontas ta kommata kai taytoxrona epilegei thn kybernhsh toy topoy, pisteyw oti qa krinei th dynatothta poy exei to PASOK h alla kommata na kybernhsoyn. Me ayth thn ennoia, dikaiologeitai apo thn pleyra mas kaqe aisiodojia.

Oson afora to deytero erwthma sas, exw na pw oti: se kaqe xwra epikratoyn diaforetikes synqhkes. Qa prepei ta sosialistika kommata na proxwrhsoyn se analyseis twn eklogikwn apotelesmatwn, to kaqena sth dikh toy xwra, prokeimenoy na bgaloyn ta telika symperasmata toys. Ena koino stoixeio to opoio mporei na pei kaneis oti epikrathse sthn Eyrwph thn teleytaia periodo, einai to gegonos ths krishs sto Kossyfopedio. Prepei na melethqei, mazi me ta alla eswterika h ta idiaitera qemata ths kaqe xwras, pws h krish ayth epedrase sto eklogiko swma ths kaqe xwras. Alla ayto einai kati poy qa kanoyn ta organa kaqe kommatos se kaqe xwra. Emeis me ta organa toy Kinhmatos kai ths Kybernhshs tis epomenes hmeres, qa proxwrhsoyme se analysh twn apotelesmatwn kai qa bgaloyme ta symperasmata mas.

PAPPA: Pote qa synedriasoyn ta organa;

REPPAS: Ayrio to prwi qa synedriasei atypws h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai to apogeyma, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai Proedroy toy PASOK, qa synedriasei to Ektelestiko Grafeio toy Kinhmatos. Epishs, ej oswn gnwrizw, stis arxes Ioylioy, meta to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Notio Amerikh (23-30 Ioynioy), qa synelqei h Kentrikh Epitroph toy PASOK. Alla, gia ola ayta mporeite na exete perissoteres plhrofories apo to Komma.

BITALHS: Sthn prwth gnwsh twn apotelesmatwn poy kanate ws kybernhsh diakrinate me bash to apotelesma, oxi mono th diafora twn triwn monadwn, alla kai thn ekfrash kapoias dysareskeias apo ta strwmata ekeina poy sthrizan to PASOK; Epishs, skeptetai h kybernhsh na proxwrhsei se kapoies allages ths politikhs poy askei se orismenoys tomeis poy exoyn prokalesei tribes sthn koinwnia;

REPPAS: Oson afora thn ekfrash dysareskeias, qa pw oti ayth apotypwnetai pros to synolo toy politikoy systhmatos, pros to synolo twn politikwn kommatwn, mesw toy ayjhmenoy posostoy ths apoxhs poy parathrhqhke s' aytes tis ekloges. Ypoxwrhsh ths dynamhs twn kommatwn se pososta exoyme toso gia to PASOK, oso kai gia th N. D. se sxesh me ta pososta poy eixan ejasfalisei se prohgoymenes eklogikes anametrhseis. Epanalambanw, oti den prepei na mas diafeygei o xarakthras twn eyrweklogwn, se sxesh me to xarakthra twn eqnikwn eklogwn. Kai epishs gia na apanthsw sto deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, epanalambanw oti emeis qa prepei na ergastoyme pio entatika gia na eimaste pio apotelesmatikoi sthn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn poy aforoyn ton polith kai synartwntai me thn kaqhmerinh zwh. S' ayth thn kateyqynsh qa ergastoyme.

BITALH: Eseis otan legate prohgoymenws oti qa proxwrhsete se diorqwseis opoy aytes apaitoyntai kai otan leei xqes h ka Basw Papandreoy xreiazetai allagh se oceis ths askoymenhs kybernhtikhs politikhs, ti shmainei; Ti na katalaboyme;

REPPAS: Ayta ta opoia eipa mexri twra. Den milhsa kai gia sygkekrimenoys tomeis; Den anefera paradeigma; Anefera dyo-tria paradeigmata.

BITALHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, oi diorqwseis poy eipate aforoyn thn asfaleia twn politwn thn kaqhmerinh zwh kai thn anergia. Dhladh sta qemata oikonomikhs politikhs ta opoia prokaloyn kai pio entones tribes den skepteste kapoia diorqwtikh allagh; To forologiko gia paradeigma kai alla pragmata;

REPPAS: Se oloys toys tomeis yparxei periqwrio na beltiwsoyme tis epidoseis mas. To eipa ayto, den einai kati kainoyrgio. Den yparxei tomeas gia ton opoio -akoma kai an ta epiteygmata mas einai shmantika- eimaste apolytws ikanopoihmenoi, wste na qewrhsoyme pws s' ayton ton tomea den exoyme na prosqesoyme qetiko ergo. Qa prepei na synexisoyme tis prospaqeies mas se oloys toys tomeis. Ayto to opoio omws prepei na kanoyme einai na ergastoyme me pio entatiko ryqmo. Se orismenoys tomeis na proxwrhsoyme stis aparaithtes beltiwseis kai na ginoyme pio apotelesmatikoi. Hmoyn poly safhs s' ayto to opoio eipa. Giati bebaiws, kai stis megales epiloges ths xwras -kai onomasa treis- tesseris megales epiloges- pisteyw oti exoyme kanei shmantika epiteygmata. Alla kai s' aytoys toys tomeis h prospaqeia mas prepei na synexistei. Giati kai stoys tomeis aytoys, mporoyme na beltiwsoyme akomh perissotero th qesh ths xwras sth dieqnh skhnh, na enisxysoyme thn poreia ths Elladas pros thn entajh ths sthn ONE, wste otan syntelestei ayth h entajh, na syntelestei me toys kalyteroys dynatoys oroys gia thn antagwnistikothta ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, gia th qesh ths xwras mas, na beltiwsoyme th leitoyrgia twn qesmwn. Sthn Ellada leitoyrgoyn oi dhmokratikoi qesmoi. Ayto den shmainei oti den qa synexisoyme na prospaqoyme sthn kateyqynsh ayth, gia kalytera apotelesmata. Kai bebaiws, na epitaxynoyme thn oikonomikh anaptyjh, para to oti oi ryqmoi einai para poly ychloi. Ayto den shmainei oti efhsyxazoyme, oti qewroyme pws exoyme kleisei ton kyklo twn prospaqeiwn mas ston tomea ayto. Antiqetws.

MOYRTZHS: Pisteyete oti ta megala pososta poy phran to KKE kai to DHKKI einai chfos sygkyriakh, synaisqhmatikh kai ofeiletai se ejwgeneis paragontes, logw polemoy ths Gioygkoslabias opws lene oi analytes sas h exei monima xarakthristika ayth h dysareskeia logw ths oikonomikhs politikhs poy askeite;

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti h sygkyria entos ths opoias eginan oi ekloges aytes, htan h xeiroterh dynath gia thn kybernhsh. Giati h kybernhsh, edw kai arketoys mhnes eprepe na antimetwpisei polla problhmata se diaforetika epipeda. Eixame polla metwpa anoixta. Den pisteyw oti se eqnikes ekloges mporei na epanalhfqei to fainomeno aytoy toy skhnikoy, opoy h kybernhsh qa brisketai antimetwph me ola ta qemata kai h antipoliteysh qa arkeitai sth dhmagwgia ths kai qa epixeirei etsi na paraplana polites. Nomizw oti oi synqhkes twn eklogwn aytwn eynooyn kat' ejoxhn thn antipoliteysh. Milhsa -kai gia trith fora epanalambanw- gia ton idiaitero xarakthra twn eyrweklogwn, se sxesh me tis eqnikes ekloges, opws epishs kai gia ton idiaitero rolo kai th qesh ths kybernhshs, se sxesh me to rolo kai th qesh twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs. Ola ayta qa prepei na synektimhqoyn. Kai einai shmantiko to oti oi polites oi opoioi apostasiopoihqhkan apo to PASOK, den estrafhsan sth N. D. prokeimenoy na dwsoyn th sthrijh toys s' aythn kai taytoxronws na symbaloyn, wste na dhmioyrghqei mia dynamikh ejoysias, h opoia kata tropo oionei nomoteleiako qa odhgoyse th N. D. sthn ejoysia. Ayto den synebh. Kai ayto akribws odhgei sto symperasma oti oxi mono den eixame anatroph toy politikoy skhnikoy, opws epediwke h N. D., alla qa elega oti eixame mia staqeropoihsh toy politikoy skhnikoy katw apo tis idiaiteres synqhkes poy diejhxqhsan oi eyrwekloges.

MOYRTZHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti apetyxe h strathgikh ths N. D. gia anatroph toy politikoy skhnikoy. H paradoxh sas gia anatroph toy politikoy skhnikoy apo th ND. pote qa synebaine, an h calida htan se poio pososto;

REPPAS: An to PASOK den synexize na einai kybernhsh ths xwras. Kai to PASOK synexizei na einai kybernhsh ths xwras. Oydeis to amfisbhtei ayto. Synexizoyme thn prospaqeia mas kai prepei na eimaste pio apotelesmatikoi, prokeimenoy na exoyme ta arista apotelesmata stis eqnikes ekloges.

MOYRTZHS: Dhladh, an h "calida" efqane - ypoqetika-stis pente monades, qa epefte h Kybernhsh; Dhladh, pws qa epefte h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Kyrie Moytrzh, den xreiazetai ayth thn wra na kanoyme mia syzhthsh, h opoia exei enan teleiws qewrhtiko xarakthra. Milame epi sygkekrimenwn apotelesmatwn.

MOYRTZHS: Einai treis monades diafora.

REPPAS: Ta sygkekrimena apotelesmata odhgoyn se mia praktikh synepeia, h opoia den einai allh, apo th synexish ths qhteias ths kybernhshs toy PASOK, gia na oloklhrwsei to ergo ths. Ayto oydeis to amfisbhtei. Ara, den exoyme anatroph toy politikoy skhnikoy.

KARGOYDH: Kyrie ypoyrge, an me bash th meiwsh twn dynamewn twn dyo megalwn kommatwn, mesa stoys problhmatismoys ths kybernhshs tiqetai kai to zhthma ths dynamikhs apo edw kai sto ejhs dhmioyrgias aytodynamwn kybernhsewn, synolika;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti emeis pantote eimaste ypermaxoi ths politikhs staqerothtas kai ths apotelesmatikhs diakybernhshs ths xwras. Pantote to PASOK - kai milw para to oti den eimai ekproswpos toy kommatos - kanei agwna prokeimenoy na ejasfalisei aytodynamia koinoboyleytikhs pleiochfias sth Boylh. H kybernhsh mas kai to komma poy th sthrizei, se oles tis eklogikes anametrhseis dinei ton agwna, prokeimenoy na ejasfalisei to megisto dynato pososto chfwn. Ayto qa synexisoyme na kanoyme. Apo ekei kai pera, to qema ths syzhthshs, synennohshs h kai synergasias twn proodeytikwn dynamewn, einai ena qema to opoio apasxolhse, apasxolei kai qa apasxolei ta organa twn kommatwn aytwn kai toy PASOK.

PAPPA: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exete milhsei para polles fores gia eykairiako metwpo ths antipoliteyshs. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, an ektima h kybernhsh oti ayto to metwpo, an qelete, ths antipoliteyshs, qa synexisei na einai yparkto, an h xwra mpainei se mia paratetamenh proeklogikh periodo, dedomenoy oti exoyme proedrikes ekloges to Marth. Kai an ayto to metwpo diablepete kindyno na epektaqei kai sto syndikalistiko tomea, pragma poy qa dysxeraine to ergo ths kybernhshs.

REPPAS: H kybernhsh qa synexisei kai qa oloklhrwsei th qhteia ths. Qa prospaqhsei, sto diasthma poy apomenei, na beltiwsei thn epidosh ths, na epilysei problhmata ta opoia yparxoyn. Apo ekei kai pera, to logo exei o ellhnikos laos. Ola ayta ta qemata poy qetete qa ta antimetwpisoyme sthn poreia. As mhn prokatalaboyme tis ejelijeis. Emeis qa epidiwjoyme na diathrhsoyme thn prwtoboylia twn kinhsewn kai ws kybernhsh na paroysiastoyme thn krisimh wra ths anametrhshs sthn eqnikh kalph, me tis kalyteres dynates proypoqeseis, prokeimenoy na kerdisoyme kai pali thn chfo toy ellhnikoy laoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti oi ekloges qa ginoyn to 2000. To 2000, pote;

REPPAS: Otan oloklhrwqei h qhteia ths kybernhshs. Milhsa gia oloklhrwsh ths qhteias ths kybernhshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ton Oktwbrio, dhladh;

REPPAS: Aytos einai o programmatismos, giati opws problepei to Syntagma...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh exoyme proedrikes ekloges.

REPPAS: Ayto, k. Stamatopoyle, ejartatai apo to synolo twn politikwn dynamewn. Emeis exoyme parei safh qesh. Den prepei na apeyqyneste se mas, alla se ekeinoys oi opoioi den exoyn topoqethqei epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poia qesh exete parei eseis;

REPPAS: Exoyme pei oti enocei twn proedrikwn eklogwn, h epilogh toy PASOK einai na sthrijei kai pali thn ypochfiothta, gia mia nea qhteia, toy k. Stefanopoyloy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi politikes dynameis, thn prohgoymenh fora, den sthrijan ayth thn ypochfiothta.

REPPAS: Den exoyn topoqethqei ayth th fora.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lew, thn prohgoymenh fora, den th sthrijan, giati na th sthrijoyn twra;

REPPAS: Ayto einai qema to opoio prepei na apasxolhsei ekeina ta kommata kai prepei se ekeinoys na apeyqynete thn erwthsh sas. Den eimai egw armodios na apologoymai gia to ti ekanan h ti prokeitai na kanoyn.

PETOYRH: Ep` aytoy: Qa hqela thn ektimhsh sas, an m` ayto to eklogiko apotelesma poy fernei th N. D. mprosta, h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh pisteyete oti qa prospaqhsei na prokalesei eqnikes ekloges to Martio;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti kaqe komma qa prepei na staqmisei kai na sxediasei thn politikh toy me bash to symferon ths xwras kai oxi to steno kommatiko symferon. Qa prepei o orizontas mas na einai eqnikos orizontas kai oxi kommatikos. H epilogh poy kanoyme emeis ypakoyei s` aytes tis arxes. Pisteyw oti kai ta alla kommata qa prajoyn analogws. Se praktiko epipedo h N. D. den diaqetei thn analogh koinoboyleytikh dynamh gia na empodisei thn eklogh. Ayto shmainei pws den diaqetei thn prwtoboylia twn kinhsewn. Nomizw, loipon, oti einai prowro na syzhtoyme gi` ayth thn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Ayto to opoio, bebaiws, mporei na pei kaneis einai oti apotelei pia qema sthn hmerhsia diatajh, kata thn epomenh periodo, h qesh toy kaqe kommatos. Emeis, epi toy qematos aytoy, exoyme parei qesh edw kai kairo.

BIKETOS: Diabasa mia dhlwsh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy, o opoios qetei qema syndiaxeirishs ths kybernhtikhs paratajhs, h opoia - opws eipe - syndiaxeirish perna mesa apo anasxhmatismo. Eseis prin apo ligo dhlwsate oti den tiqetai...

REPPAS: Poy to eipe ayto o k. Tsoxatzopoylos;

BIKETOS: Exw diabasei mia dhlwsh toy shmera sto "BHMA".

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na exei kanei tetoia dhlwsh o k. Tsoxatzopoylos. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos, opws ola ta stelexh toy PASOK, dwsame ton agwna, prokeimenoy na exoyme to kalytero dynato apotelesma kai qa synexisoyme na agwnizomaste, prokeimenoy na antapokriqoyme stis prosdokies toy ellhnikoy laoy.

BITALHS: Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia ta teleytaia epeisodia poy parathrhqhkan -kai malista, kostisan zwes- sto Kossyfopedio. Apo thn eisodo twn eirhneytikwn dynamewn, mexri xqes arga to brady, eixame kai nekroys sto Kossyfopedio. Qa hqela, loipon, to sxolio sas gi` ayth thn katastash poy epikratei sto Kossyfopedio. Kai deyteron, xqes metadoqhke oti sto thlefwnhma toy k. Klinton pros ton k. Shmith syzhthqhke kai to endexomeno episkechs toy k. Klinton se Ellada kai Toyrkia. Isxyei ayto h oxi;

REPPAS: Oson afora thn episkech toy Amerikanoy Proedroy sthn perioxh, exw milhsei kat` epanalhch. Gnwrizete oti prokeitai toys epomenoys mhnes, ton erxomeno Oktwbrh, na organwqei sthn Kwnstantinoypolh h Diaskech toy Organismoy gia thn Asfaleia kai th Synergasia sthn Eyrwph. S` ayth th Diaskech, kat` arxhn, exei dhlwqei oti qa labei meros o Proedros twn HPA. Ara, loipon, h episkech toy sthn perioxh einai ena endexomeno.

Oson afora to prwto qema poy qesate, ta gegonota ayta mas lypoyn. Asfalws, h katastash den exei kamia sxesh me thn katastash poy yphrxe liges hmeres prin. Stamathsan oi bombardismoi. O dieqnhs paragwn synennoeitai, prokeimenoy na epanelqoyme se synqhkes omalothtas. Oi prospaqeies aytes synantoyn empodia. To egxeirhma den einai eykolo. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia -ki emeis ayto epiqymoyme ki ayto tonizoyme- einai me hremia kai eyqynh na syzhthqoyn ola ta ekkremh qemata, prokeimenoy, to syntomotero dynato, na apokatastaqei h hremia sthn perioxh kai na epanelqoyme sthn protera katastash. Allwste, h paroysia ths polyeqnikhs dynamhs sto Kossyfopedio prepei na apotelei thn eggyhsh gia mia tetoia ejelijh kai oxi thn phgh kindynwn h thn phgh dhmioyrgias problhmatwn poy stoixizoyn kai th zwh twn anqrwpwn. Qa prepei na eimaste aisiodojoi. Perasame mia megalh krish. H dyskolh fash perase. Twra eimaste se ena allo stadio poy prepei na ergastoyme gia thn eirhnh kai thn anasygkrothsh ths perioxhs.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Qelw na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Einai endexomeno na elqei sthn Ellada, me thn eykairia toy tajidioy toy sthn Toyrkia, o Proedros Klinton ki an ayto einai kalodexoymeno apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, dioti palaiotera eixame kapoia anakoinwsh ths kybernhshs poy eixe antirrhsh na elqei sthn Ellada o Proedros Klinton me thn eykairia kapoioy alloy tajidioy toy.

REPPAS: Eipa, oti h episkech toy Proedroy twn HPA sthn perioxh, einai ena endexomeno. Sto plaisio ayto, ejetazontai oles oi piqanothtes. Den yparxei tipota allo peran aytoy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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