Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-05-18

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 18 Maioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati egine metafora polemikoy ylikoy mesw toy Ellhnikoy;

REPPAS: Giati pairnete ws dedomeno, oti exei ginei ayto; Prwta ap` ola, prepei na sas pw oti, olh ayth thn periodo ths krishs sto Kossyfopedio, prowqeitai anqrwpistikh bohqeia sto kratos twn Skopiwn kai thn Albania. Gnwrizete poly kala oti ta emporeymata ta opoia dierxontai yfistantai ton analogo telwneiako elegxo, efoson kateyqynontai se xwres poy den anhkoyn sthn E. E. Gnwrizw to dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas sthn opoia ergazeste. Ta stoixeia ta opoia paratiqentai den odhgoyn se ena safes symperasma, oti to sygkekrimeno aeroplano to opoio fwtografizetai, einai ayto poy metefere olo ayto to yliko, to opoio paroysiazetai se alles fwtografies na prowqeitai sthn Albania me megala forthga aytokinhta. Oyte to periexomeno twn kibwtiwn einai ayto poy eseis isxyrizeste. Den exei prokycei, apo tis ereynes poy exoyn kanei oi armodies yphresies, metafora tetoioy ylikoy, mesw toy aerodromioy toy Ellhnikoy me teliko proorismo thn Albania.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To aeroplano ayto efere ayta ta kibwtia, ta opoia jefortwne kateyqeian stis ntalikes. Kai kapoios me kokkino sprei esbhne ta diakritika. Giati eginan ola ayta; Giati amfisbhteite ola ayta; Lete, dhladh, oti den hrqan me ayto to aeroplano;

REPPAS: Den prokyptei apo poyqena, apo tis ereynes poy ekanan oi armodies yphresies, oti apo to aerodromio toy Ellhnikoy, exoyn perasei aytokinhta, ta opoia metaferoyn kibwtia me ayto to periexomeno. Exoyn perasei, bebaiws, apo thn Ellada aytokinhta, ta opoia metaferoyn anqrwpistikh bohqeia stis perioxes opoy exoyn egkatastaqei prosfyges.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poies einai oi armodies yphresies;

REPPAS: Armodies arxes, einai h YPA kai, bebaiws, oi telwneiakes arxes toy aerodromioy. Ola ayta ta stoixeia poy anaferontai sto sxetiko dhmosieyma, me ton tropo ton opoio dhmosieyontai den odhgoyn se ena asfales symperasma gia to oti to sygkekrimeno aeroplano poy ferei ta diakritika DHL, metefere to sygkekrimeno fortio, to opoio paroysiazetai se alles fwtografies, na prowqeitai mesw twn forthgwn aytwn poy feroyn pinakides me ariqmoys poy exoyn ekdoqei apo tis albanikes yphresies, sta Tirana h se alles perioxes ektos Elladas. Ayto akribws einai to poly sygkekrimeno, to opoio sas lew. Giati sto diko sas dhmosieyma paroysiazetai mia fwtografia enos aeroplanoy, to opoio exei prosgeiwqei sto aerodromio toy Ellhnikoy kai paroysiazetai kai mia seira fwtografiwn me forthga ta opoia metaferoyn megala kibwtia, sta opoia, kata to dhmosieyma, periexontai eite feretra, eite opla. Sas lew oti den proskomizetai kapoio allo stoixeio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti allo stoixeio qelete; Perasan apo Telwneio, k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: H fwtografia mono enos aeroplanoy; Qewreitai ajiopisto stoixeio; Kai den eixe aytos, o opoios ekane to reportaz, thn pronoia na fwtografisei to aeroplano th stigmh ekeinh poy ginotan h ekfortwsh oloy aytoy toy ylikoy;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den proftasame.

REPPAS: Den profqasan;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi.

REPPAS: Phgate ekei, loipon, otan eixe prosgeiwqei to aeroplano kai meta paroysiazetai xwris na gnwrizoyme poy exoyn lhfqei aytes oi fwtografies, mia seira fwtografiwn me ntalikes, megala aytokinhta, ta opoia einai fortwmena me kibwtia, sta opoia, kata to dhmosieyma, periexontai eite opla, eite feretra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den einai apo to aerodromio toy Ellhnikoy oi fwtografies aytes;

REPPAS: Den mporw na exw gnwsh poy exoyn lhfqei aytes oi fwtografies. Sas eipa, omws, oti to dhmosieyma ayto me ta osa anaferontai, apasxolhse tis armodies yphresies. Den exoyme kanena, ma kanena logo, na poyme kati diaforetiko apo ayto, poy synista thn pragmatikothta. Sas parakalw kai eseis, stoixeia poy exete sth diaqesh sas, kai afoy ta exete diastayrwsei kai eiste sigoyroi gia thn orqothta toys, na ta xrhsimopoieite, giati ki eseis exete ypoxrewsh na enhmerwsete ton ellhniko lao. Ayto einai kaqhkon diko sas. Ayto einai kai dikh moy ypoxrewsh. Prepei na symballoyme se ayth thn koinh kateyqynsh ths enhmerwshs twn Ellhnwn politwn, poy apaitoyn na to kanoyme me tetoio tropo, wste na toys enhmerwnoyme kai oxi na toys paraplhroforoyme. Ola ayta ta qemata, loipon, apoteloyn antikeimeno ereynas. Sas lew, omws, oti apo tis ereynes den prokyptei stoixeio, to opoio na epibebaiwnei toys isxyrismoys poy perilambanontai se ayto to dhmosieyma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh qewreite oti aytes oi ntalikes, den fortwsan sto Ellhniko; Ayto to yliko den fortwqhke sto Ellhniko, sto aerodromio edw;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, exw empeiria apo to pws paroysiazete sthn efhmerida sas qemata ta opoia syzhtoyme edw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia to sygkekrimeno lew twra.

REPPAS: Ta paroysiazete me tropo apospasmatiko, diastreblwnontas thn oysia aytwn poy lew, me apotelesma to symperasma to opoio ejagetai na einai -antilambaneste kai eseis- ayto to opoio epiqymeite eseis kai oxi ayto to opoio antapokrinetai sta dika moy legomena. Sas lew oti ta sygkekrimena forthga, gia ta opoia me rwtate an to fortio toys to phran sto aerodromio toy Ellhnikoy, den apokleietai na to phran to fortio ayto sto aerodromio toy Ellhnikoy mia allh stigmh kai to periexomeno ayto na mhn exei kamia sxesh me ayto to opoio leei to dhmosieyma. Na einai skhnes, na einai royxa, na einai koybertes, na einai trofima. Eseis eiste kathgorhmatikos. Lete oti "ayta fortwqhkan sto aerodromio toy Ellhnikoy", kai ayta poy fortwqhkan "einai opla kai feretra". Tipote allo. Ayto lete. Sas lew oti den prokyptei ayto. Eseis ayrio sthn efhmerida sas piqano na gracete oti "o Reppas omologhse oti ayta isws fortwqhkan sto aerodromio toy Ellhnikoy" kai tipote allo. Kai qa peite "epibebaiwsh ths efhmeridas mas". Exei ginei ayto. Den qa ginei gia prwth fora, an ginei kai den me jenizei. Alla, epeidh ta qemata ayta, antilambaneste, exoyn mia idiaiterh shmasia, parakalw na perioristoyme xrhsimopoiwntas ta stoixeia poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas, s' ayto to opoio eimaste apolyta bebaioi oti antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta. Sas lew, an pragmatika eseis epimenete na qetete ayto to qema, oti emeis oxi mono den exoyme logo na apokrycoyme, alla antiqetws exoyme kaqe logo na paroysiasoyme ta pragmata opws akribws exoyn. H Ellada exei gnwsth qesh oson afora thn krish, thn antimetwpish kai thn epilysh twn problhmatwn poy exei dhmioyrghsei. Den exoyme kanena logo, apo tetoioy eidoys paremferh qemata, na dwsoyme thn entypwsh oti prospaqoyme na apokrycoyme kati apo ton ellhniko lao. Eseis apo thn pleyra sas epishs, parakalw na symbalete s' ayth thn prospaqeia. H xwra -oxi mia sygkekrimenh paratajh, oyte aplws h kybernhsh ths xwras- sto synolo ths kanei ayth thn prospaqeia, prokeimenoy na symbalei wste na antimetwpisoyme to syntomotero dynato me politika kai eirhnika mesa thn krish sto Kossyfopedio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, apo ta stoixeia poy exete eseis, ayta ta kibwtia ti periexoyn kai poy fortwqhkan tote;

REPPAS: Pantws apo ta stoixeia poy exoyn oi armodies yphresies, opws me plhroforhsan, den prokyptei epibebaiwsh toy dhmosieymatos poy filojeneitai sthn efhmerida sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Se allh xwra fortwqhkan; Apo alloy einai, ap' ejw, apo allo aerodromio; Den einai sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: Hmoyn para poly safhs. Den apokleietai na einai sthn Ellada, den apokleietai to periexomeno aytwn twn kibwtiwn na einai ylika anqrwpistikhs bohqeias poy prowqeitai stis geitonikes perioxes. Einai kati to opoio exei ginei kat' epanalhch, einai kati to opoio qa synexisei na ginetai oso diarkei h krish. Qa prepei na stamathsei h krish kai na mh xreiazetai pleon h paroxh anqrwpistikhs bohqeias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai h anqrwpistikh bohqeia den pernaei telwneio; Den koitazoyn, na doyn ti exoyn mesa ta koytia, oi telwneiakoi;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti yparxoyn orismenoi kanones. Otan ena fortio metaferetai apo xwra ths E. E. se xwra ths E. E., mporei na kykloforei xwris aytoys toys elegxoys. Otan omws telikos proorismos einai xwra ektos E. E., asfalws s' ayth thn periptwsh pantote oi armodies yphresies parembainoyn kai probainoyn stoys kata thn krish toys aparaithtoys elegxoys. Exoyn ayth th dynatothta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egine aytos o elegxos;

REPPAS: Oi armodies yphresies -etsi akribws plhroforoyn kai emena- exoyn kanei elegxoys kai oydepote mexri twra exei prokycei na metaferetai kati allo se tetoia fortia, peran ths anqrwpistikhs bohqeias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi telwneiakoi sto Ellhniko, lene oti den toys epetrecan na kanoyn elegxo.

REPPAS: Parakalw poly, loipon, exete kai eseis kaqe logo, na kalesete toys telwneiakoys ypallhloys na milhsoyn sygkekrimena, gia na mh menoyme s' ayth th genikh entypwsh, wste kai emeis na bohqhqoyme stis ereynes poy kanoyme, gia to pws akribws exoyn ta pragmata. Sas lew, omws, oti ayto den antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia. Kai afoy den exete kapoion o opoios ypeyqyna na to dhlwnei ayto, aporw pws dhmioyrgeite ena tetoio qema proballontas to malista se oloklhrh thn prwth selida ths efhmeridas sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lene cemata dhladh oi telwneiakoi;

REPPAS: Poios; Gia poion telwneiako milate;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi telwneiakoi poy htan sto aerodromio. Apo ekei bghke to qema. Den katalabainete apo poy bghke to qema;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, etsi qa syzhthsoyme; Se ayto to epipedo; Dhladh an egw isxyristw oti telwneiakoi eipan oti den yphrje opoiodhpote problhma sto periexomeno aytwn twn kibwtiwn, h apanthsh ayth qa sas ikanopoioyse h qa me kaloysate sygkekrimena na anaferw h na exw sth diaqesh moy ta stoixeia twn ypallhlwn h twn armodiwn yphresiwn poy diabebaiwnoyn gia kati tetoio; Anafereste, genikws, se kapoioys telwneiakoys, twn opoiwn ta stoixeia taytothtas agnoeite, ap' oti antilambanomai. Kai metaferete toys isxyrismoys toys mesw ths prwths selidas ths efhmeridas sas gia na enhmerwsete etsi ton ellhniko lao;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Isxyrismoi einai oi fwtografies, kyrie Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Poies fwtografies;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Aytes oi fwtografies poy deixnoyn ta kibwtia, ta opoia den toys afhsan na ta anoijoyn.

REPPAS: Exete mia fwtografia enos aeroplanoy sto aerodromio toy Ellhnikoy. To aeroplano ayto me ta diakritika DHL mporei na ektelei kaqhmerinws dromologia, na metaferei allhlografia h alla ylika. H fwtografia ayth kaqoloy spania kai prwtotyph den einai. Polles fwtografies enos tetoioy aeroplanoy mporei na bgalei kaqenas kaqe hmera. Deyteron...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Allhlografia gia thn Albania mesw Ellhnikoy.

REPPAS: Poios to leei ayto, kyrie Stamatopoyle; Apo poy prokyptei ayto;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo poy prokyptei;

REPPAS: Nai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Allhlografia lete. Allhlografia einai ayth, ayta ta kibwtia; Gia thn Albania;

REPPAS: Apo poy prokyptei oti ta kibwtia ayta jefortwqhkan apo to sygkekrimeno aeroskafos to opoio fwtografizetai;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo tis kataggelies poy exoyn ginei kai apo tis fwtografies poy trabhxthkan.

REPPAS: Poies kataggelies, kyrie Stamatopoyle;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai apo tis fwtografies ....

REPPAS: Poies fwtografies, kyrie Stamatopoyle; Fwtografizete apo th mia ena aeroplano kai apo thn allh fwtografizete ntalikes na metaferoyn kibwtia. Pws ta syndeete ayta; Oti, dhladh, ta kibwtia proerxontai apo ayto to aeroplano kai oti to periexomeno toys einai ayto poy isxyrizeste;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti allo qelete, kyrie Ypoyrge, dhladh; Na ta anoijoyme emeis;

REPPAS: Gia thn eparkeia toy reportaz pisteyw oti qa prepei ta stoixeia na stoixeioqetoyntai me poly pio isxyro, qa moy epitrecete na pw -kai mpainw sta dika sas xwrafia, enw den to epiqymw- tropo, aytoy toy eidoys ta reportaz kai oi plhrofories.

KYRIAKIDOY: H Astynomia leei oti, gia prwth fora, exei sth diaqesh ths kainoyrgia stoixeia ths 17 Noembrh, opws merikes khlides aimatos k. lp...

REPPAS: Poios to eipe ayto;

KYRIAKIDOY: H Astynomia.

REPPAS: Dhladh;

KYRIAKIDOY: Oti gia prwth fora exei khlides aimatos, gia paradeigma.

REPPAS: Poios exei kanei aytes tis dhlwseis, mporeite na moy peite;

KYRIAKIDOY: To plhroforhqhkame apo toys syntaktes toy astynomikoy reportaz.

REPPAS: Apo to reportaz, loipon, to plhroforhqhkate.

KYRIAKIDOY: Eseis pisteyete oti qa bohqhsoyn ayta ta nea stoixeia sto na erqei h Ellada pio konta, oson afora tis ereynes sxetika me thn tromokratia;

REPPAS: Oi armodies yphresies, pantote, se kaqe tetoia periptwsh, ajiopoioyn ta stoixeia ta opoia exoyn sth diaqesh toys, prokeimenoy na katalhjoyn se kapoia symperasmata. Pantote, ajiopoioyn ayta ta stoixeia, prokeimenoy na fqasoyn pio konta sto stoxo, poy einai h syllhch twn drastwn. Ayto, bebaiws, den prepei na odhghsei sthn ejagwgh kapoioy symperasmatos, oti yparxoyn tetoia ntokoymenta ta opoia kanoyn epikeimenh th syllhch twn drastwn. Qa prepei na eimaste para poly prosektikoi. Dioti pantote yparxoyn stoixeia, eite ayta einai apotypwmata, eite kati parapanw, to opoio mporei na xrhsimopoihqei, alla gnwrizete, apo thn peira ths zwhs poy oloi exoyme apokthsei, oti aytes oi prajeis epanalambanontai. Ara, loipon, na afhsoyme tis armodies yphresies na probainoyn stis ereynes poy prepei, prokeimenoy na bgaloyn ta symperasmata toys. Kai makari, ta symperasmata ayta na tis odhghsoyn pio konta sto stoxo toys. Mexri tote, as mhn parembainoyme sto ergo toys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate oti den yparxoyn khlides aimatos;

REPPAS: Ayto to akoysate monon eseis!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate apo to reportaz. Diaceydete ayto to reportaz;

REPPAS: Me sygxwreite, eipe h k. Kyriakidoy oti to eipe h Astynomia. Den gnwrizw na exei ekdoqei kapoia tetoia anakoinwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo toys astynomikoys syntaktes.

REPPAS: Apo ekei kai pera, ta opoia stoixeia einai sth diaqesh twn armodiwn yphresiwn. Mporei na einai kati parapanw apo ayta poy grafontai, mporei na einai kati ligotero apo ayta poy grafontai. Antilambaneste pws, se tetoioy eidoys ereynes, den einai dynato na parembainoyme, giati den exoyme kanena logo na metatrecoyme se pedio dhmosias syzhthshs thn prospaqeia poy kanei h Antitromokratikh Yphresia, opws kai alles armodies yphresies, gia thn ejixniash ypoqesewn poy exoyn poly megalh shmasia gia thn poreia ths xwras. Kai antilambaneste poly kala ti ennooyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lete oti to reportaz ta leei ayta, h Astynomia den leei tipota. Den yparxoyn aytes oi khlides; H kybernhsh den exei kapoia enhmerwsh;

REPPAS: Qelete, k. Stamatopoyle, na sas bebaiwsw an yparxoyn oi khlides h oti allo yparxei; Ma, an milhsoyme gia tis khlides aimatos, qa me rwthsete an yparxei tragiaska, qa me rwthsete an yparxoyn kai kapoies trixes, qa me rwthsete an breqhke kapoio papoytsi, qa me rwthsete an breqhke kapoio royxo. Antilambaneste pws den mporoyme na kanoyme tetoia syzhthsh. Yparxoyn kapoia eyrhmata. As afhsoyme tis armodies yphresies na ajiopoihsoyn, sto plaisio ths ereynas poy kanoyn, ta stoixeia ayta, prokeimenoy na petyxoyn to skopo toys. Ayto prepei na kanoyme, gi` ayto miloyme. Den einai qema diaceysewn h epibebaiwsewn.

MOYRTZHS: Panw s` ayto, k. Ekproswpe: Giati, shmera yparxei stis efhmerides mia myqoplasia kai metadidotan xqes apo ta kanalia oti me tis khlides aytes qa broyn to DNA kai qa broyn kai ton tromokrath. Symbainei ayto;

REPPAS: Apanthsa, prin, kai eipa oti prepei na eimaste poly epifylaktikoi, wste na mh dinetai h entypwsh oti epikeitai h syllhch twn drastwn. Hmoyn safhs sthn apanthsh poy edwsa prin.

Sas eyxaristw.

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