Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-05-17

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 17 Maioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

* Na moy epitrecete na ekfrasw thn -aytonohth allwste- katadikh mas gia thn tromokratikh energeia poy ekdhlwqhke arga xqes to brady, enantion toy Germanoy presbh sthn Ellada. Olos o ellhnikos laos apodokimazei kai katadikazei tetoies tromokratikes energeies. Oi prajeis aytes den strefontai enantion sygkekrimenoy stoxoy. Strefontai enantion ths Elladas. Ayto einai safes. Kai pisteyw oti h ellhnikh koinwnia, oloi oi polites apo thn idia qesh kai me ton idio entono tropo, katadikazoyn tetoia fainomena.

* Qelw epishs na ekfrasw ta syllyphthria moy sthn oikogeneia toy Dhmhtrh Lebentakoy, alla kai sto synolo ths dhmosiografikhs oikogeneias gia to qanato toy. O Dhmhtrhs Lebentakos, tamias ths ESHEA, htan parwn, htan energos sthn enhmerwsh alla kai to syndikalismo, htan pantote xrhsimos. Qa ton qymomaste.

* Epiqymw akomh na epishmanw oti xreiazetai poly megalh prosoxh ston tropo me ton opoio anadeiknyoyme qemata ta opoia exoyn eqnikh shmasia. Oi xeirismoi prepei pantote na einai prosektikoi kai den prepei na epibarynontai apo entypwseis oi opoies dhmioyrgoyntai kai den exoyn sxesh me thn pragmatikothta h toylaxiston den apodidoyn sth swsth diastash toys ta pragmata.

Prin apo mia wra, sthn perioxh twn Imiwn proseggisan dyo kaikia poy eferan toyrkikh shmaia kai sta opoia epebainan polites, isws dhmosiografoi. H ellhnikh peripolos, to skafos toy Limenikoy Swmatos poy pleei sthn perioxh toys epishmane oti briskontai se ellhniko qalassio xwro kai apomakrynqhkan. Den synebh kapoio epeisodio. Etsi exoyn ta pragmata kai prepei na meinoyme se ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pyrobolismoi den epesan;

REPPAS: Den egine opoiodhpote epeisodio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati akoyme gia pyrobolismoys...

REPPAS: Polla akoysthkan. Oti eixame pyrobolismoys, oti eixame syllhceis, oti eixame emplokes kai diafora alla ta opoia den antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia. Dyo apo toys epibainontes sta toyrkika kaikia epesan sth qalassa kai prospaqhsan na proseggisoyn, alla epestrecan, epibibasthkan kai pali sto skafos poy toys metefere kai apomakrynqhkan pros ta toyrkika paralia. Etsi exoyn ta pragmata.

* Oson afora to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy ayths ths ebdomadas, exw na sas pw, oti ayth thn wra dexetai kai synergazetai me to neo Proedro ths Commission, ton k. Romano Pronti.

* Ayrio, sth 1 meta to meshmeri, qa exei synanthsh me toys ypochfioys eyrwboyleytes toy PASOK.

* Thn Tetarth to apogeyma qa labei meros sth syzhthsh, sth Boylh, poy afora thn eyrwpaikh poreia ths xwras. Mia syzhthsh poy ginetai se takta diasthmata gia thn enhmerwsh toy Koinoboylioy kai toy ellhnikoy laoy kai afora thn poreia twn eyrwpaikwn qematwn.

* Thn Pempth to prwi h Ellada, h Aqhna ypodexetai ton Oikoymeniko Patriarxh kai o Prwqypoyrgos qa einai parwn stis ekdhlwseis ypodoxhs toy, kaqws kai sth dojologia.

Argotera, o k. Shmiths qa episkefqei ergostasio sth Mandra Attikhs.

* Thn Paraskeyh, hmera ths onomastikhs toy eorths, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qema tis trexoyses ejelijeis kai to meshmeri sth Boylh qa dexqei boyleytes, opws kai to apogeyma, sto Megaro Majimoy, qa dexqei filoys kai gnwstoys poy epiqymoyn na toy eyxhqoyn.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Mia dieykrinish: Eipate thn Trith qa dexqei toys ypochfioys eyrwboyleytes kai thn Tetarth qa paei sth Boylh gia th syzhthsh gia thn eyrwpaikh poreia. Den qa paei thn Trith to brady sth Boylh sth syzhthsh gia thn ypoqesh Otsalan;

REPPAS: H syzhthsh epi toy porismatos gnwrizete oti einai mia diadikasia amigws koinoboyleytikh. Den parembainei h kybernhsh. Den exoyn logo h kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos se ayth th syzhthsh, oyte dienergeitai chfoforia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, to qewreite eseis fysiologiko na pane dyo kaikia me polites h dhmosiografoys, opws eipate, na pesoyn sth qalassa, na koitajoyn na bgoyn sthn akth, den yphrxe kapoia skopimothta pisw apo olh ayth thn istoria;

REPPAS: Asfalws yparxei skopimothta apo toyrkikhs pleyras. Kai an qelete na krinw ayth th skopimothta, thn opoia qeloyn na yphrethsoyn oi Toyrkoi, qa thn katakrinw. Qa pw oti dhlhthriazei akomh perissotero tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis kai ephreazei arnhtika thn hdh epikratoysa katastash stis sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn. Apo kei kai pera, milhsa omws kai gia th skopimothta h opoia polles fores ginetai prospaqeia na ejyphrethqei, me thn probolh, kata tropo ypermegeqh kai anantistoixo me thn pragmatikothta, tetoiwn qematwn. Kai ayto prepei na apofeygetai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai to "polites" poy lete, epeidh foroysan politika qewreite oti htan polites; Mporei na htan kai stratiwtes me politika.

REPPAS: H ellhnikh peripolos den ekane elegxo taytothtwn. Apla, apo ton ejoplismo poy eferan -kameres, fwtografikes mhxanes k. t. l. - qewrhqhke oti eixan kata bash ayth thn idiothta, toy dhmosiografoy. Allwste, o ariqmos twn epibainontwn sta dyo kaikia den htan toso megalos. Sto ena skafos epebainan, an gnwrizw kalws, ennea kai sto allo enteka. Kriqhke oti apoteloysan dhmosiografikes omades, xwris -epanalambanw- na mporei na einai kapoios kathgorhmatikos gia thn akribh taytothta toys.

KAMPOYRAKHS: Htan dyo kaikia h yphrxe kai toyrkikh aktaiwros;

REPPAS: H toyrkikh aktaiwros parakoloyqoyse apo makria ayth thn kinhsh sta toyrkika xwrika ydata.

CAROPOYLOS: Xqes, eidame apo toyrkika kanalia, thn toyrkikh aktaiwro. Htan pragmati ayth kai eishlqe sta ellhnika xwrika ydata;

REPPAS: Einai h toyrkikh aktaiwros, h opoia kineitai s` ekeinh thn perioxh, entos twn toyrkikwn xwrikwn ydatwn. Ki otan ginetai prospaqeia na plhsiasei h na eiselqei sta ellhnika xwrika ydata, pantote ths epishmainetai oti brisketai se ellhniko xwro. Kai toylaxiston, mexri twra, den exei dhmioyrghqei opoiodhpote qema. H synennohsh ayth apodidei kai epanerxomaste kai pali sthn hremh katastash.

SOYRMELH: To prwto erwthma einai, kata th gnwmh sas, ayth h epiqesh me royketa, poy apeyqynotan; Ti htan; Ti leei h kybernhsh; Kai to deytero erwthma einai, apo oti katalaba den anoixthke pyr kaqoloy, apo osa mas perigrafete. Giati pesane mesa sth qalassa; Ti egine;

REPPAS: Mporei na ermhneysei kaneis ayth thn kinhsh, san mia prospaqeia na proseggisoyn se mia akth. Oson afora thn tromokratikh energeia, asfalws, strefotan enantion sygkekrimenoy stoxoy. Pisteyoyme emeis, omws -kai ayth einai h politikh qesh- oti tetoies energeies strefontai enantion ths Elladas, enantion ths politikhs staqerothtas, enantion ths omalhs poreias ths xwras, enantion toy ellhnikoy laoy, entelei. Oi royketes poy xrhsimopoihqhkan, martyroyn oti h energeia ayth exei ginei apo th 17 Noembrh, h opoia me analogo tropo exei drasei kai palaiotera. Pisteyoyme oti h omoqymh katadikh toy ellhnikoy laoy tetoiwn energeiwn, einai ena poly qetiko shmeio. Paramenoyme s` ayth th qesh.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ypoyrge, prin mas peite ta peristatika, opws eseis ta plhroforhqhkate, kanate mia eisagwgh, legontas oti prepei na eimaste poly prosektikoi ston tropo poy proballoyme ta eqnika qemata, na mh dinoyme diastaseis k. lp. Asfalws, to qema qa to cajoyme, alla giati na einai etsi ta pragmata, opws mas ta lete kai na mhn alhqeyoyn oi martyries peri epeisodioy ontos, peri toyrkikhs aktaiwroy poy mphke sta ellhnika xwrika ydata; Katalabainoyme th logikh ths kybernhshs na qelei na ypobaqmisei to qema kai na to krathsei se epipeda, oso ginetai, xamhlotera. Alla, an den einai etsi;

REPPAS: Omologw oti me exete afoplisei, plhrws!

MIXAHL: Den sas afoplisa.

REPPAS: Egw sas eipa pws exoyn ta pragmata kai apodidw thn pragmatikothta. Apo ekei kai pera, eseis qewreite pws mono h kybernhsh yphretei skopimothtes kai oydeis allos, oyte kan eseis. Egw lew oti, tetoioy eidoys qemata, oloi qa prepei na ta xeirizomaste me ypeyqyno kai syneto tropo, makria apo pagides oi opoies elloxeyoyn. Metajy twn allwn, tetoies pagides einai kai h proklhsh endiaferontos sthn koinh gnwmh. Einai h apokthsh ychlhs thleqeashs h akroamatikothtas h ychlhs anagnwsimothtas gia ton Typo. Kai bebaiws, pagida einai mia syzhthsh h opoia kalyptei, isws, kena enhmerwshs, otan den yparxoyn alla qemata, ta opoia qa ajiopoihqoyn gia na proklhqei to endiaferon ths koinhs gnwmhs kai h opoia, qa moy epitrecete na pw, odhgei se mia fortish ths koinhs gnwmhs kai malista, me stoixeia ta opoia den einai alhqh. Ayto, antilambaneste pws oxi mono einai arnhtiko, alla dhmioyrgei kai kindynoys, xwris na yparxei pragmatikos logos. Giati, polles fores, yparxei logos, yparxei pragmatikh aitia na antimetwpiseis kindynoys. Na breqeis apenanti se proklhseis kai na apanthseis se proklhseis. Alla, otan dhmioyrgeitai, ek toy mh ontos, qema, antilambaneste pws ta pragmata exoyn parei mia allh troph kai ayto, akribws, sas kalw na apofygoyme oloi.

MIXAHL: Einai jekaqaro giati sas rwthsa. Oxi apo th meria moy, alla giati to idio akribws skeptiko epikrathse kai sto epeisodio ths 27hs Dekembrioy toy 1995, otan eixe pali ejokeilei sthn perioxh toyrkiko skafos kai dyo mhnes meta eixame ta Imia. Pali tote h kybernhsh PASOK, eixe pei oti den einai tipota, oti den einai shmantiko gegonos k. lp. kai proklhqhkan ta Imia. To lew, loipon, akribws, epeidh yparxei ayto to prohgoymeno.

REPPAS: As mhn kanoyme ayth thn istorikh anadromh. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia twra -kai qelw s` ayto na meinoyme- einai na xeiristoyme ypeyqyna ta qemata, apodidontas ta stis swstes diastaseis toys. Ayto sas kalw na kanete. Ayto kanei h kybernhsh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa mporoyse kaneis na syndesei to shmerino gegonos me tis xqesines aysthres dhlwseis Ntemirel, o opoios milhse gia gkrizes zwnes, oti oi braxonhsides toys anhkoyn, oti h Toyrkia einai synexisths ths Oqwmanikhs Aytokratorias kai ws ek toytoy, ths anhkoyn aytes oi braxonhsides;

REPPAS: Apo tote poy katerreyse h Oqwmanikh Aytokratoria, mexri shmera, exoyn ginei symfwnies, exoyn ypografei dieqneis synqhkes, oi opoies isxyoyn kai prepei na ginontai ap` oloys sebastes. Ayto to paralhrhma, pisteyw oti martyra amhxania h apokalyptei to adiejodo sto opoio exei perielqei h Toyrkia, askwntas ayth th sygkekrimenh politikh. H Ellada, kat` epanalhch, exei kalesei thn Toyrkia, an qewrei oti yparxoyn anoikta qemata, an amfisbhtei to kaqestws sthn perioxh, na ajiopoihsei tis diadikasies toy Dieqnoys Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs. H Toyrkia apofeygei na to kanei. Ayto deixnei pws, emmesws, omologei oti ta epixeirhmata ths den einai isxyra, oti den exei stoixeia, ntokoymenta, ta opoia qa mporoyse na epikalestei, wste na dei tis qeseis ths na dikaiwnontai. Kai epeidh, akribws, gnwrizei oti aytos o dromos den odhgei sth lysh poy ekeinh epiqymei, oson afora thn antimetwpish aytwn twn problhmatwn, prospaqei me alloys tropoys na prokalesei tribes, entaseis kai na synthrhsei anoikta metwpa stis sxeseis ths me thn Ellada. Den einai o kalyteros dromos aytos poy akoloyqei. As to antilhfqei, epiteloys. Apo ekei kai pera, h kybernhsh, h Ellada diasfalizei ta kyriarxika dikaiwmata, ta opoia ths anhkoyn kai ta askei. H Toyrkia qa prepei na akoloyqhsei enan allo dromo gia to diko ths kalo, prokeimenoy etsi kai to lao ths na bohqhsei gia na zhsei se kalyteres synqhkes kai h idia na entaxqei, na enswmatwqei sth dieqnh ennomh tajh.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Apo thn enhmerwsh poy exete, ean stoys elegxoys poy ekane to Limeniko, dhlwsan oi dhmosiografoi kai oi polites gia poio logo phgainan sth nhsida kai an mphkan sta ellhnika xwrika ydata;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti h ellhnikh peripolos otan antilhfqhke oti kinoyntai sthn perioxh ekeinh ta dyo toyrkika kaikia, toys epishmane oti kinoyntai se ellhniko qalassio xwro kai zhthse na apomakrynqoyn. Kai pragmati, ayto egine. Apomakrynqhkan.

KYRIAKIDOY: Poio nhsi prospaqoysan na proseggisoyn; Oi proeidopoihseis eginan mono me logia h erijan kai fwtobolides ston aera h me kapoio allo tropo; Giati ta kaikia ayta ta ediwjan; Den epitrepetai toyrkika kaikia na proseggisoyn tis ellhnikes aktes kai den to kanoyn taktika se ola ta nhsia; Ti paranomo eixan kanei ta dyo kaikia;

REPPAS: Yparxoyn, asfalws, symfwnies, basei twn opoiwn ekteloyntai sygkekrimena dromologia se polles perioxes. Gnwrizete oti opoy yparxoyn limania, yparxoyn kai topikes yphresies poy exoyn thn armodiothta na elegxoyn ta ploia poy proseggizoyn, toys polites poy apobibazontai kai ta fortia poy isws metaferoyn. Htan fanero oti h kinhsh ayth eixe stoxo thn proseggish sth nhsida Imia kai isws thn apobibash kapoiwn apo toys epibates aytwn twn skafwn sthn jhra. Ayto antimetwpise h peripolos h opoia brisketai monimws ekei kai askei elegxo ths perioxhs. Kai opws sas eipa prin, olo ayto to gegonos oloklhrwqhke mesa se poly syntomo xroniko diasthma, xwris na yparxei opoiadhpote allh entash.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Mia dieykrinish: Dhladh h proeidopoihsh htan oti briskeste sta ellhnika xwrika ydata kai oti prepei na bgeite h den prepei na proseggisete s' ayth th braxonhsida;

REPPAS: Apanthsa gia ola ayta. Toys epishmanqhke pws briskontai se ellhniko qalassio xwro kai den mporoyn na kinoyntai m' ayton ton tropo kai apomakrynqhkan.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Gia allo qema qelw na rwthsw kati. Mporeite na mas enhmerwsete ti akribws synebh me to qema twn S-300; Oson afora tis plhrofories poy dhmosieyontai kai ston kypriako kai ston ellhniko Typo peri ekdiwjews Ellhnokypriwn ajiwmatoyxwn...

REPPAS: Apanthsa thn prohgoymenh ebdomada gi` ayto to qema. H synergasia twn dyo kybernhsewn einai se aristo epipedo. Den yparxei opoiodhpote problhma. Antimetwpisthke ena eswteriko qema. Exei lhjei ayto. Den exei opoiadhpote sxesh me thn efarmogh ths apofashs poy exoyme labei gia thn egkatastash twn pyraylwn S-300 sthn Krhth.

SOYRMELH: Tosoys mhnes twra exoyme arxisei na sas cyxologoyme, opws mas cyxologeite kai eseis. Polles fores apantwntas "exw hdh apanthsei", koitazontas kapws dejia kapws aristera -me sygxwreite poy sas to lew etsi, giati to exoyme zhsei apo to Noembrio ayto- hqela na moy apanthsete, an mporeite sas parakalw, yphrjan boles proeidopoihtikes nai h oxi; Oxi "den yphrjan", oxi "sas apanthsa", koitazontas, me sygxwreite para poly...

REPPAS: Ma, apanthsa se synadelfoys sas prin gi` ayto to qema kai eipa oti aplws epishmanqhke sta dyo kaikia oti kinoyntai se ellhniko qalassio xwro kai toys zhthqhke na apomakrynqoyn. Oper kai egeneto. Kai anefera kai to sygkekrimeno symban, oti dyo -an exw plhroforhqei swsta ton ariqmo- epesan sth qalassa kai kolymphsan, epidiwkontas kat' arxhn na proseggisoyn sthn akth. Den toys epitraphke, epestrecan. Epibibasthkan kai pali sta kaikia kai mazi me thn allh omada anaxwrhsan pros thn Toyrkia.

SOYRMELH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, me ntoyntoyka epishmanqhkan; Pws epishmanqhkan;

REPPAS: Etsi ginetai synhqws. Ayth einai h meqodos poy xrhsimopoieitai.

SOYRMELH: Etsi egine;

REPPAS: Synhqws dia twn logwn anakoinwnetai h qesh sthn allh pleyra kai h allh pleyra thn pairnei ypoch ths. Etsi egine.

MIXAHL: S` ena allo qema. H kybernhsh exei koinopoihsei thn protash toy k. Papandreoy peri 48wrhs katapayshs toy pyros, sth Gioygkoslabia, sto Beligradi kai ti antapokrish exei brei;

REPPAS: O k. Papandreoy exei diatypwsei dhmosiws ayth th qesh. Qa thn epanadiatypwsei, shmera, sto Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn, poy diejagetai stis Bryjelles, sto opoio pairnei meros. Einai qema ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas, olwn twn allwn kratwn na ajiopoihsoyn kai ayth thn idea. Gnwrizete oti eixe diatypwsei thn idea gia thn katapaysh toy pyros thn periodo toy Pasxa. Ayto tote den egine dekto. H nea idea, pisteyoyme oti mporei na tyxei efarmoghs. Qa einai pros to symferon twn dynamewn ekeinwn poy prospaqoyn gia na ejeyreqei mia politikh lysh sthn krish sto Kossyfopedio.

H pleyra ths Gioygkoslabias den exei diatypwsei epishmws kai dhmosiws th qesh ths. Allwste, den to exei kanei oyte gia th Symfwnia ths Omadas twn Oktw. Gia to sygkekrimeno qema pisteyoyme oti den exei antirrhsh. Alla h qesh ayth twra syzhteitai kai ara oydeis apo toys amesa emplekomenoys exei parei akomh qesh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H qesh ths Elladas gia mh paraxwrhsh edafoys kai aeros gia epixeirhseis enantion ths Gioygkoslabias, isxyei;

REPPAS: Asfalws.

SOYRMELH: Gyrname sto xqesinobradino epeisodio me th royketa: Ap' oti fainetai, yparxoyn diafores epiqeseis. Den jerw eseis pws to krinete. Poy apodidete ayto to oti twra pali, einai epiqeseis poy den einai enantion ellhnikwn stoxwn h amerikanikwn stoxwn, opws htan palaiotera, einai perissotero eyreia h ekasth. Poy to apodidete ayto kai ti metra skepteste na parete;

REPPAS: To apodidoyme -to eipa allwste prin, paroysiazontas synoptikws thn politikh qesh mas- se kykloys oi opoioi epiqymoyn na yponomeysoyn thn poreia ths xwras mas. Na dhmioyrghsoyn problhmata stis dimereis sxeseis kai sto dieqnh prosanatolismo ths xwras mas. Na dhmioyrghsoyn synqhkes reystothtas kai apostaqeropoihshs. Epanalambanw omws, epeidh sysswmos o ellhnikos laos, omoqymws katadikazei tetoies apokroystikes energeies, den epitygxanoyn to stoxo toys. Kai ayto to gnwrizoyn.

SOYRMELH: Giati twra;

REPPAS: Ginetai twra epeidh oi kykloi aytoi qewroyn oti eimaste se mia periodo, poy logw ths krishs sto Kossyfopedio, prepei na paremboyn, na dhlwsoyn thn paroysia toys. Alla ayto to opoio epitygxanoyn den einai na prowqoyn kapoies idees kai kapoies apoceis, epidiwkontas na sterhsoyn th zwh politwn. Ayto to opoio telikws epitygxanoyn einai na eisprattoyn thn katadikh olwn kai thn apomonwsh toys. Kai pisteyw oti ayto einai dedomeno kai oloi symfwnoyme s' ayto.

Sas eyxaristw.

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