Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-05-05

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 5 Maioy 1995

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Qa hqela, eisagwgikws, na kanw ena poly syntomo sxolio gia qemata poy sxetizontai me thn anhsyxia, h opoia prokaleitai, logw dhlwsewn h dhmosieymatwn poy einai yperbolika. Aforoyn gewrgika proionta ths xwras mas, ta opoia exoyn, dhqen, breqei apenanti se ena kaqestws empargko apo alles xwres. Prepei na sas pw oti ayto den eystaqei. Gia ta ellhnika sparaggia, sygkekrimena, egine mia dhlwsh-anakoinwsh apo mia diepaggelmatikh gallikh organwsh, h opoia exei analogh paragwgh. Prepei na sas pw oti den yparxei oydeis periorismos, den yparxei kamia katasxesh fortioy ellhnikwn proiontwn, oyte aporrich apo opoiadhpote allh kratikh arxh. Apo oydena exei teqei qema tojikhs epibarynshs ellhnikwn gewrgikwn proiontwn. Eginan oi analoges parastaseis kai exoyn anaklhqei aytes oi qeseis poy diatypwqhkan apo mia diepaggelmatikh organwsh jenoy kratoys, poy antilambaneste oti exei dika ths antagwnistika symferonta, logw idias paragwghs.

Oson afora, de, th molynsh ths atmosfairas genikws, prepei na sas pw oti den prepei na eimaste yperbolikoi. Qa prepei na akoysoyme me prosoxh toys episthmones poy asxoloyntai me to sygkekrimeno qema. O kaqhghths epidhmiologias k. Trixopoylos exei kanei sxetikes anakoinwseis. Shmera, malista, milhse sthn Epitroph Periballontos sth Boylh. H kybernhsh einai se epafh me toys epishmoys foreis poy einai armodioi gia tetoioy eidoys metrhseis kai qa enhmerwsei egkyrws kai egkairws ton ellhniko lao gia otidhpote sxetiko. Gia ta qemata ayta, toso to Ypoyrgeio Gewrgias -stis 2.30 m. m. qa dwsei synenteyjh o Ypoyrgos Gewrgias G. Anwmeriths- oso kai to Ypoyrgeio Ygeias, kaqws kai to YPEXWDE poy asxoleitai systhmatika me ta qemata ayta, exoyn dhmioyrghsei eidikh omada, h opoia parakoloyqei apo poly konta tis ejelijeis. Ara, qa hqela ki egw na pw oti oi synepeies ths krishs sto Kossyfopedio einai polles kai asfalws, arnhtikes. Den qa prepei, omws, se tetoia qemata na dinoyme ena megeqos kai mia barythta poy den exoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh leei epishma oti den yparxei kanena problhma, sth Boreia Ellada, molynshs ths atmosfairas h kai proiontwn h kai anqrwpwn;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh diabebaiwnei ton ellhniko lao oti einai se stenh epikoinwnia kai epafh me toys armodioys episthmonikoys foreis. Exei, logw ayths ths epikoinwnias, egkyrh plhroforhsh. Den yparxei problhma kai den dikaiologeitai anhsyxia. Oi episthmonikoi foreis einai aytoi oi opoioi, sto plaisio ths enhmerwshs, me to aparaithto yliko kai th sxetikh tekmhriwsh, qa bohqhsoyn thn kybernhsh, wste o ellhnikos laos na einai apolytws enhmerwmenos kai katatopismenos gia ta sxetika qemata. Alla, den qa prepei na epitrecoyme se opoiondhpote na diatypwnei apoceis, xwris tekmhriwsh kai na prokaleitai mia anhsyxia, h opoia einai peran twn oriwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi episthmones to lene. Den einai o opoiosdhpote.

REPPAS: Hmoyn para poly safhs. Yparxoyn episthmonikoi foreis me toys opoioys synergazetai h kybernhsh. H akadhmaikh koinothta, oi epaggelmatikoi, episthmonikoi foreis exoyn gnwmh. O ellhnikos laos qa exei plhrh enhmerwsh gia ta qemata ayta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pote kyrie Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Ana pasa stigmh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai 15 hmeres twra poy sernetai to qema kai den bgainei epishma h kybernhsh...

REPPAS: Den "sernetai" kanena qema. Kapoioi dhmioyrgoyn ayto to qema kai to "sernoyn" oi idioi. Opws dhmioyrghsan qema me ena sygkekrimeno ellhniko gewrgiko proion, xwris na yparxei qema. Kai lypoymai, afoy qelete na synexisoyme ayth th syzhthsh, giati apo emas toys idioys synthroyntai qemata sthn epikairothta, xwris na yparxei logos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To xarti yphrxe gi' ayto to sygkekrimeno gewrgiko proion.

REPPAS: Apo poion;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ki eseis to eipate twra oti eginan oi energeies gia na aposyrqei ayto.

REPPAS: Poio;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Antiepaggelmatikhs gallikhs organwshs.

REPPAS: Diepaggelmatikhs gallikhs organwshs, h opoia paragei sxetiko proion kai exei antagwnistiko symferon. Ti sxesh exei to ena me to allo, otan dinetai h entypwsh oti jena krath, me tis armodies yphresies toys, exoyn balei periorismoys kai empargko se ellhnika gewrgika proionta. Giati dinetai ayth h entypwsh, h opoia den antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia. Giati yponomeyoyme emeis oi idioi thn prospaqeia poy kanei h xwra mas; Den to antilambanomai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw epimenw sthn enhmerwsh. Pote qa ginei epishma;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se ola ayta. Ginetai epishma kai qa synexisei na ginetai, otan prepei o ellhnikos laos na enhmerwqei. Ston ellhniko lao, epishmws, leme oti den dikaiologeitai h anhsyxia, h opoia prokaleitai apo dhmosieymata, reportaz ta opoia einai yperbolika.

KARGOYDH: Me poia krithria kriqhke twra skopimo na metabei o k. Papoylias sto Beligradi.

REPPAS: O k. Papoylias einai Proedros ths Epitrophs Ejwterikwn Ypoqesewn ths Boylhs, Me thn idiothta ayth metabainei, shmera, sto Beligradi. Qa exei synanthseis ekei me thn hgesia ths Gioygkoslabias. Qa metaferei tis skeceis kai tis apoceis ths Elladas. Gnwrizete poly kala oti exoyme anaptyjei seira prwtoboyliwn, prokeimenoy na enisxysoyme thn prospaqeia ejeyreshs politikhs lyshs sthn krish sto Kossyfopedio. Sto plaisio ayto qa kinhqei kai o k. Papoylias.

KARGOYDH: Giati twra; Ti allaje; To timing;

REPPAS: Qa mporoyse na htan thn prohgoymenh ebdomada. Qa mporoyse na einai thn epomenh ebdomada. Den einai prwth fora poy Ellhnes kinoyntai sthn kateyqynsh na symbaloyn, wste na ejeyreqei lysh sto megalo ayto problhma.

KARGOYDH: To lew ayto giati yparxei mia epitaxynsh, dieqnws, twn eirhneytikwn kinhsewn kai prwtoboyliwn.

REPPAS: H Ellada, gnwrizete oti htan ek twn prwtwn poy exoyn ycwsei th shmaia ths anazhthshs eirhnikhs politikhs, diplwmatikhs lyshs sthn krish. Den asxoleitai twra me to qema ayto. Kai mesw diplwmatikhs odoy, alla kai me alles diadikasies, h Ellada paramenei pantote paroysa kai exei mia energo symmetoxh, prokeimenoy na anazhthqoyn politikes lyseis. Sto plaisio ayto entaxqhke to sygkekrimeno tajidi.

FOYRLHS: Yparxei sysxetismos me thn apostolh toy k. Rontoy; Einai anqrwpistikoy periexomenoy ayth h apostolh;

REPPAS: O k. Rontos qa tajidecei, epishs, sth Gioygkoslabia. Gnwrizete oti me epityxia, xeiristhke to qema ths prowqhshs anqrwpistikhs bohqeias sto Kossyfopedio, gia to synolo twn plhttomenwn katoikwn ayths ths perioxhs. O k. Rontos episkeptetai to Beligradi, prokeimenoy na prowqhsei to programma paroxhs anqrwpistikhs bohqeias sth Gioygkoslabia kai sthn perioxh ths Serbias pleon, opoy kai ekei einai emfanh ta shmadia apo thn krish poy exei plhjei toys katoikoys kai allwn perioxwn ektos toy Kossyfopedioy. Gnwrizete -to exw pei polles fores- oti einai se ejelijh o syntonismos ths trimeroys synergasias metajy Elladas, Rwsias kai Elbetias, gia thn prowqhsh ths anqrwpistikhs bohqeias, se olh th Gioygkoslabia. Sto plaisio ayto metabainei kai o k. Rontos.

MOYRTZHS: Analambanoyme emeis prwtoboylies ws Ellada, k. Ekproswpe, alla "mhden eis to phlikon" poy lene. Giati o k. Tzakson me pente pastores, phre toys treis aixmalwtoys, o k. Kyprianoy poy phge hrqe me adeia xeria. Pws sxoliazete ayth th symperifora ths serbikhs hgesias apenanti kai se emas. Dhladh, qa mporoyse na parastei o Arxiepiskopos Xristodoylos, sth paradosh twn triwn aixmalwtwn h na toys parei o k. Kyprianoy; Pws sxoliazete ayto;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, den pisteyw oti einai "mhden eis to phlikon", gia na xrhsimopoihsw th dikh sas xarakthristikh frash, to apotelesma twn prwtoboyliwn poy exoyme analabei, dedomenoy oti ston tomea paroxhs anqrwpistikhs bohqeias exoyme prwtostathsei kai ta apotelesmata einai poly kala kai dieqnws anagnwrismena. Exoyme sygkentrwsei ton epaino olwn twn pleyrwn. Ara, loipon, yparxei apotelesma, to opoio einai poly shmantiko kai ws tetoio ajiologeitai apo oloys. Apo ekei kai pera, h hgesia ths Gioygkoslabias einai ayth, h opoia qa epilejei -sthn tragikh qesh poy exei perielqei h geitonikh xwra- to pws qa xeiristei qemata, ta opoia etsi ki alliws, ta xeirizetai kata tropo poy ekeinh krinei oti einai pros to symferon ths dikhs ths pleyras. Den qelw na to krinw ayto. An qelete na kanw, omws, ena sxolio me aformh ekeino to shmeio ths erwthshs sas poy einai sxetika aixmhro, mporw na pw oti ayto deixnei oti den exoyme enan qrhskeytiko polemo. Doqhkan oi aixmalwtoi se enan ierwmeno, o opoios den einai Orqodojos Xristianos. Antilambaneste, loipon, oti h kinhsh ayth einai mia politikh kinhsh, h opoia entassetai se mia politikh kai diplwmatikh skakiera. Ara, qa prepei etsi kapoioi, oi opoioi analyoyn ta gegonota, na odhghqoyn sta symperasmata toys. Egw epanalambanw ayto poy eipa, otan rwthqhka gia prwth fora, oti to gegonos ths apeleyqerwshs twn triwn stratiwtwn einai mia qetikh energeia kai qa prepei na to doyme etsi, xwris na to syndeoyme, pantote, me kapoies politikes h diplwmatikes skopimothtes. Shmasia exei oti gyrisan spiti toys, stis oikogeneies toys.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Exw dyo erwthmata: Prwton, qa hqela na jekaqarisete mia sygxysh poy exei dhmioyrghqei, xqes malista eide to fws ths dhmosiothtas kai sxetiko dhmosieyma sthn efhmerida "ELEYQEROTYPIA" -oti meta th mh agora twn F-15, opws legetai, den kalyptetai sthn oysia o kypriakos xwros, sthn oysia ypobaqmizetai, opws lene, to amyntiko dogma kai to syndeoyn malista kai me th mh oloklhrwsh toy aerodromioy ths Pafoy.

To deytero erwthma: Plhrofories lene oti h Gallia proballei pali empodia sthn entajiakh poreia ths Kyproy, epikaloymenh th qesh oti h Kypros den mporei na eggyhqei thn efarmogh toy koinotikoy kekthmenoy s' oloklhrh thn Kypro, qetontas dhladh, to qema prwta lysh kai meta entajiakh poreia.

REPPAS: To Dogma toy Eniaioy Amyntikoy Xwroy, asfalws, isxyei. Oi epiloges poy kanei h kybernhsh ginontai me gnwmona to eqniko symferon. To eqniko symferon epitassei panta na lambanoyme ypoch mas thn kalyterh dynath enisxysh ths amynas ths Kyproy. Kai ayto kanoyme. Kai syndew thn apanthsh poy dinw me to deytero qema poy qesate me thn erwthsh sas, legontas epishs oti h amyna ths Kyproy enisxyetai, kaqws qa proxwraei h diadikasia gia thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E. E. To pisteyoyme apolyta ayto, giati h amyna enisxyetai kai me politika kai me diplwmatika mesa -afoy den eimaste latreis toy polemoy- kai oxi mono me stratiwtikoys ejoplismoys, poy kai ston tomea twn ejoplismwn exoyme kanei para poly shmantika bhmata kai ayto den prepei na parablepetai.

Oson afora th deyterh erwthsh sas, prepei na pw oti pragmati h Gallia exei diatypwsei aytes tis epifylajeis, oson afora thn telwneiakh syndesh ths Kyproy kai tis ejwterikes sxeseis ths E. E. me thn Kypro. Alla kai emeis xrhsimopoiwntas -opws ej arxhs exoyme pei- ta diapragmateytika opla poy exoyme ws melos ths E. E., exoyme diatypwsei analoges epifylajeis gia ta idia qemata, dhladh, oson afora tis alles ypochfies pros entajh xwres sthn E. E.

Pisteyoyme oti sto epikeimeno Symboylio Ypoyrgwn h Gallia qa arei tis epifylajeis ths, wste na aroyme kai emeis tis dikes mas epifylajeis gia tis alles xwres. Ean h Gallia diathrhsei tis epifylajeis ths, qa tis diathrhsoyme kai emeis.

Ara, loipon, antilambaneste pws to qema ths dieyrynshs ths E. E. mporoyme na to ephreasoyme kaqoristika. H Kypros qa prepei na antimetwpistei opws kai oi alles ypochfies pros entajh xwres. Den mporei na adikhqei h Kypros kai den qa to epitrecoyme ayto.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Gia to qema ths agoras twn F-16 kai oxi twn F-15;

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin. Kaname tis epiloges me gnwmona to eqniko symferon. To KYSEA apofasise gi` ayto to qema omofwna. Kai otan miloyme gia eqniko symferon -epanalambanw- pantote exoyme ypoch mas kai thn enisxysh ths qeshs ths Kyproy.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an yparxei kati newtero apo thn ypo ejelijh syskech, giati yparxoyn kapoies fhmes oti yparxei proqesh na topoqethqei o k. Papoytshs epikefalhs toy eyrwchfodeltioy toy PASOK.

REPPAS: Proqesh poioy;

LEONTOPOYLOS: Toy Prwqypoyrgoy endexomenws, koryfaiwn stelexwn. Qelw na pw oti syzhtietai ayto to endexomeno. Fysika, einai kai kommatiko qema, den jerw kata poso qelete na apanthsete...

REPPAS: Prwta ap' ola h shmerinh syskech den afora onomatologia. Afora thn proetoimasia toy Kinhmatos enocei twn eyrweklogwn. Syzhteitai me empeira stelexh h poreia toy Kinhmatos sthn periodo h opoia apomenei mexri tis ekloges gia to Eyrwpaiko Koinoboylio.

Ta qemata poy aforoyn thn katartish ths listas twn eyrwboyleytwn, opws kai ayto ths epiloghs toy Epitropoy, ta xeirizetai o Prwqypoyrgos. Einai dikhs toy armodiothtas. Qa labei tis apofaseis kai qa tis anakoinwsei thn katallhlh stigmh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epanerxomai sthn prohgoymenh erwthsh gia ta F-15. Eipate "kaname tis epiloges mas me gnwmona to eqniko symferon gia ta F-16". Aytoi poy proteinan ta F-15, ti symferon eixan; Eixan allo symferon;

REPPAS: To eqniko symferon, bebaiws. Polles protaseis eginan. Kapoioi alloi proteinan ena allo opliko systhma. Kaqenas pisteyei oti me thn protash thn opoia kanei, bohqaei th xwra toy na enisxysei thn amyna ths. Shmasia exei oti to KYSEA omofwna katelhje s' ayth thn apofash poy sas einai gnwsth kai pisteyoyme oti einai h pleon symferoysa katw apo tis shmerines synqhkes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Omofwnws;

REPPAS: Bebaiws.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, alhqeyei h plhroforia oti to ergostasio ayto den paragei pleon ta F-15;

REPPAS: Exei dhmosieytei oti h seira paragwghs aytwn twn maxhtikwn aeroskafwn stamata, afoy den doqhke ayth h paraggelia. Exei anakoinwqei ayto.

Sas eyxaristw.

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