Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-04-20

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 20 Aprilioy 1999

ENHMERWSHS NIKO AQANASAKH

Geia sas.

Qelw, sthn arxh, na ekkaqarisw mia ekkremothta.

Xqes, ystera, apo mia dhlwsh moy, poy aforoyse th N. D., yphrje mia apanthsh apo ton ekproswpo ths. Den qewrhsa oti htan aparaithto na dwsw apanthsh stis parathrhseis toy, xqes to brady kai den qa to epanefera shmera, ean den yphrxe ena shmeio sthn apanthsh toy, to opoio afoy apeyqynei diaforoys xarakthrismoys -diabazw epi lejei- leei: "Gi ayto, proxqes Sabbato o k. Reppas kai shmera o k. Aqanasakhs, den distasan na proxwrhsoyn sthn kataskeyh ceydwn gia na sthrijoyn thn asynarthth politikh toys".

Epeidh den einai qema diaforetikwn ektimhsewn, alla yparxei mia kathgoria gia xrhsh ceydwn stoixeiwn kai epeidh edw den mporei na isxyei se oti afora th diadikasia ayth to "ta paidia paizei", eimai ypoxrewmenos na apanthsw kai na qymisw ta ejhs:

Egw ekana, xqes, epiklhsh dyo stoixeiwn kai sygkekrimena:

* To prwto shmeio poy epikalesthka -kai diabazw- htan: "Poly perissotero otan h N. D. exei, hdh, dhlwsei oti akoma kai gia thn apofash gia thn anaptyjh xersaiwn dynamewn h Ellada den qa eixe periqwria na qesei beto".

* Kai to deytero shmeio -synexizw- htan: "Otan h N. D., metexontas sto Eyrwpaiko Laiko Komma, exei yposthrijei poly sygkekrimenes qeseis se oti afora to gioygkoslabikotis opoies qeseis ths N. D., qeseis toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos kai o ypoyrgos k. Reppas anefere stis apanthseis toy".

Ws pros to prwto qema, gia na eimaste, apolytws, kaqaroi -kai epimenw se ayto kai to qewrw qema arxhs gia emena- parakalw na anatrejete sthn efhmerida "EJOYSIA", ths Triths 13.4. 99, sth synenteyjh toy k. Sphliwtopoyloy:

Erwthsh: "Yparxoyn periqwria wste h Ellada na askhsei beto stis apofaseis ths Atlantikhs Symmaxias, gia anaptyjh xersaiwn dynamewn sthn empolemh zwnh; ".

Sphliwtopoylos: "Tetoia periqwria den yparxoyn". Kai synexizei: "Alla, yparxoyn megales dynatothtes, prwton, h xwra mas na pei tis qeseis ths kai na ycwsei th fwnh ths, anadeiknyontas to dikaio twn epixeirhmatwn ths, deyteron, na mhn anameixqei kai na mhn emplakei, eite amesa, eite emmesa, se kamia stratiwtikh epixeirhsh.

Ws pros to deytero qema, to keimeno toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos: Emeis exoyme milhsei gia eqnikh kaqarsh sto Kossobo, se oti afora tis energeies toy k. Milosebits. To keimeno toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos sto opoio metexei h N. D., den anaferetai apla se eqnikh kaqarsh, alla xarakthrizei thn eqnikh kaqarsh, ws "ekfrash mias epi makron sxediazomenhs genoktonias" apo thn pleyra toy Milosebits.

-Se allo shmeio toy idioy keimenoy toy ELK anaferetai oti "h adiallakth politikh ths eqnikhs ekkaqarishs poy akoloyqei o k. Milosebits, aporriptontas, taytoxrona, kaqe symbibasmo, katesthsan anapofeykth thn parembash toy NATO".

-Epipleon, se aythn thn anakoinwsh ths 8.4. 99 toy Symboylioy toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos, anaferontai ths ejhs: "Endexomenh anaptyjh xersaiwn dynamewn -an apofasistei kati tetoio- qa ginei, kat` arxas, gia thn asfaleia twn prosfygwn kai thn epistrofh sthn patrida toys".

Ayta gia thn apokatastash ths tajhs. Kai to janalew: Edw den isxyei to "ta paidia paizei".

Lypoymai otan xreiazetai na mpainw se antiparaqesh gi ayto to qema me opoiodhpote komma toy Ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy kai eimai etoimos na apofygw, me kaqe tropo, na to kanw. O ellhnikos laos apaitei apo oloys mas -kai apo thn kybernhsh kai apo ta kommata- stis topoqethseis mas gia thn krish sth Gioygkoslabia, gia mia krish toso konta sta synora mas, na deixnoyme nhfaliothta, sobarothta kai ypeyqynothta. Na staqmizoyme tis qeseis mas, prwta ap` ola, me bash ta symferonta ths xwras. H kybernhsh ayto akribws kanei. O ellhnikos laos pisteyoyme oti to katanoei apolytws. Elpizw oti kai h ND. -apo ton prosqeto rolo poy exei ws komma ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs- alla kai ta alla kommata qa kanoyn to idio.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Genike, qelw na rwthsw, an h kybernhsh exei apofasisei oristika th dieleysh NATOikwn dynamewn apo ellhniko edafos, giati xqes akoysame ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas k. Tsoxatzopoylo na leei oti den yparxei nomiko kwlyma gia th dieleysh natoikwn strateymatwn.

AQANASAKHS: O ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas anaferqhke sto nomiko plaisio. Egw, xqes to meshmeri, sas eixa pei ti stratiwtikes dynameis exoyn dielqei apo th xwra mas pros ta Skopia, me poio skopo, kai profanws, me bash ayto to sygkekrimeno nomiko plaisio. Den yparxei allh apofash, poy na mhn thn gnwrizete.

SOYGLERHS: Den exei parei kapoia apofash h kybernhsh...

AQANASAKHS: Den yparxei allh apofash poy na mhn th gnwrizete. Ean yphrxe opoiadhpote apofash qa sas eixe anakoinwqei.

ALEJAKH: Sta plaisia twn eirhneytikwn dieleysewn NATOikwn strateymatwn, pernoyn kai toyrkika aeroskafh apo ton ellhniko enaerio xwro;

AQANASAKHS: Oxi. Kai eimai kathgorhmatikos, symfwna me thn enhmerwsh poy zhthsa kai exw apo to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, afoy eida to dhmosieyma poy anaferotan "se oktw toyrkika F-16, ta opoia "alwnizoyn", se kaqhmerinh bash oplismena k. lp. ton ellhniko enaerio xwro". Den yparxei kanena tetoio qema. Ta mona toyrkika aeroskafh ta opoia exoyn dielqei, einai ta gnwsta metagwgika aeroskafh poy eixan perasei, ystera apo sygkekrimenh symfwnia, gia th metafora anqrwpistikhs bohqeias. Kai ayto eixe anakoinwqei.

ALEJAKH: Me sygxwreite, na epimeinw: Yparxei periptwsh na exoyn perasei toyrkika aeroskafh sto plaisio toy NATO, twn NATOikwn epixeirhsewn kai na mh mas exei enhmerwsei to NATO; Kai to lew ayto giati exoyme akoysei polles fores na legetai oti to NATO...

AQANASAKHS: Den einai dynato na ginei tetoia xrhsh toy enaerioy xwroy ths xwras.

ALEJAKH: Qa eixame enhmerwqei, dhladh, opwsdhpote, se kaqe periptwsh.

AQANASAKHS: Qa to gnwrize to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, profanws.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Exei zhthqei apo thn toyrkikh pleyra na pernane kai exei arnhqei h ellhnikh pleyra;

AQANASAKHS: Den gnwrizw ayth th stigmh tetoio qema. Jerw oti egine h sygkekrimenh syzhthsh gia ta metagwgika aeroskafh ths anqrwpistikhs bohqeias. Eixe qewrhqei ws bhma idiaitero kai eixe syzhthqei. Den eixe qewrhqei kan aytonohto oti qa pernoysan ta aeroskafh ths anqrwpistikhs bohqeias. Kai ayta xreiasthkan eidikh adeia.

FILHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmera o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Papandreoy ekrine skopimo na dhlwsei oti einai qema apofashs toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy kai diaboyleysewn me ta politika kommata h endexomenh apofash gia th dieleysh pleon xersaiwn strateymatwn apo th xwra mas...

AQANASAKHS: Den htan etsi akribws oi dhlwseis. Den lew oti ensyneidhtws tis apodidete laqos...

FILHS: Apodidw to pneyma; An teqei to qema qa apofasisei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai qa ginei...

AQANASAKHS: Yphrxan prohgoymenes protaseis stis dhlwseis toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, oi opoies elegan: Prwton, oti den exei teqei qema ayth th stigmh. Deyteron, oti emeis eimaste arnhtikoi. Kai triton, oti profanws, an xreiastei apofash, h apofash einai toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, twn syllogikwn organwn.

FILHS: Gia thn oikonomia ths syzhthsews ta qewrw ayta gnwsta. Ean teqei, loipon, to qema, einai qema toy Y. S. h apofash; Kai pws qa ginoyn oi diaboyleyseis me ta politika kommata; Qa sygklhqei Symboylio Politikwn Arxhgwn; Qa ginoyn dimereis synennohseis sthn kybernhsh kai ta kommata;

AQANASAKHS: Na epanelqete sas parakalw, otan teqei to qema, ean teqei to qema. To elpizw oti den qa teqei.

FILHS: Eteqh, omws, apo ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn, shmera.

AQANASAKHS: Kanate mia erwthsh kai sas apanthsa. Den qa dwsw allh apanthsh, epeidh epanalambanetai h erwthsh. Na epanelqete parakalw tote. Kai to lew, epanalambanw, me thn elpida th dikh moy, oti den qa teqei to qema.

FILHS: Giati den eklhqhsan kata th xqesinh diabalkanikh synanthsh sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn ekproswpoi ths gioygkoslabikhs pleyras;

AQANASAKHS: Den hsastan edw, xqes. Exw apanthsei gi' ayto to qema.

FILHS: Par` ola ayta yparxei epimonh apo to Beligradi oti den exoyn klhqei.

AQANASAKHS: Apo thn enhmerwsh poy exw apo to YPEJ gnwrizw oti exoyn stalei apoceis apo th gioygkoslabikh pleyra kai sygkekrimena apo ton Proedro toy Institoytoy Oikonomias toy Beligradioy. Den eixan klhqei kybernhtikoi. Kai ayto, epishs, to ejhghsa, xqes. Kai egw kai oi armodioi toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn stis dhlwseis toys, eixame ejhghsei giati epilexthke ayth h diadikasia. Htan mia epilogh sygkekrimenhs diadikasias, oytws wste na epiteyxqei h pragmatopoihsh ths synanthshs kai na mhn apodomhqei prin kan arxisei.

FILHS: Qa hqela na gnwrizw poia einai h oikonomikh symmetoxh, posa xrhmata plhrwnei h Ellada, ws melos toy NATO, gia thn pragmatopoihsh twn NATOikwn bombardismwn, dedomenoy oti xqes, sthn edra ths Symmaxias epibebaiwqhke oti plhrwnoyme agoggystws ws symmaxoi ki emeis...

AQANASAKHS: Den yparxei tetoio qema, ews ayth th stigmh. Eida kai egw ena dhmosieyma peri epimerismoy dapanwn. Den yparxei ews ayth th stigmh kanenas epimerismos. Profanws, gia drasthriothtes enos Organismoy ston opoio metexeis -milw ypoqetika ayth th stigmh- kapoia stigmh ginetai enas epimerismos dapanwn.

Ayto poy exw na pw sto shmeio poy briskomaste shmera, einai oti h Ellada yfistatai hdh ena megalo oikonomiko kostos apo th synexish ayths ths krishs, ws geitniazoysa xwra. Exoyn anaferqei se ayto kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai o ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias. Exoyme, epishs, mia poly ychlh dapanh, se sxesh malista me to megeqos ths xwras mas s` oti afora thn anqrwpistikh bohqeia, sthn opoia prwtoporoyme kai qa synexisoyme na prwtoporoyme.

PASISHS: Exoyn arxisei oi syzhthseis anamesa sthn ellhnikh pleyra kai ta Skopia sxetika me thn ekkremothta poy yparxei sthn onomasia twn Skopiwn; Kai to lew ayto dioti apo to YPEJ diarreetai h plhroforia oti yparxei mia syzhthsh kai afora thn onomasia twn Skopiwn me gewgrafiko prosdiorismo.

AQANASAKHS: Prwton, den mporw na topoqethqw me bash to ti dioxeteyetai h ti den dioxeteyetai kai ean dioxeteyetai apo to YPEJ. Den mporw na to dextw ws bash ayto. Mporw na sas pw epi ths oysias omws -kai me aformh alla dhmosieymata ta opoia, epishs, eida shmera- oti den yphrje, xqes, kamia dimerhs synanthsh me ton k. Toypoyrkofski poy htan edw gia th synanthsh twn empeirognwmonwn twn balkanikwn xwrwn. Den yphrje, loipon, kamia dimerhs synanthsh, eite toy ypoyrgoy, eite toy k. Zaxaraki me ton k. Toypoyrkofski gia ta dimerh qemata Elladas-Skopiwn.

PASISHS: Dhladh den ginetai kamia syzhthsh;

AQANASAKHS: Den yphrje kamia dimerhs synanthsh gi' ayto. H syzhthsh, opws gnwrizete, brisketai se ejelijh sto plaisio toy OHE.

GARGALAKOS: Yparxei ena prwtoselido shmera, opoy proballetai to qema oti sxediazetai mia "ypopth askhsh toy NATO sth B. Ellada". Exete kati ep` aytoy;

AQANASAKHS: Den yparxei kamia askhsh programmatismenh, tetoia opws perigrafetai. To mono poy yparxei sthn pleyra twn askhsewn -kai malista th lejh "askhsewn" qa thn eqeta, isws, kai entos eisagwgikwn- einai mia askhsh stelexwn toy NATO, ajiwmatikwn kai ypajiwmatikwn, askhsh gewgrafikhs anagnwrishs, as thn poyme etsi, sthn opoia synolika prepei na laboyn meros 52 ajiwmatikoi kai ypajiwmatikoi toy NATO. Entassetai se ena 5eth programmatismo. Ginetai kaqe xrono. Perysi eixe ginei sthn Toyrkia. Ayto yparxei mono apo pleyras NATOikwn askhsewn. Den yparxei dhladh kati synafes me ayto poy perigrafetai.

FILHS: H askhsh ayth den entassetai stis askhseis, sth dynamh taxeias epembashs toy NATO;

AQANASAKHS: Den exw tetoio pragma, k. Filh. Den isxyei.

FILHS: Den to gnwrizete;

AQANASAKHS: Oxi, den to lew egw, to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas. Egw qa mporoysa na mhn to gnwrizw. Sas apantw ws ekproswpos. Otan einai proswpikh moy qesh h apoch, frontizw na to dieykrinizw.

FILHS: Epeidh, xqes, apo to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas dioxeteyotan h plhroforia oti h askhsh ayth -kai mhn moy peite oti den sas endiaferei ti dioxeteyetai- oti...

AQANASAKHS: Jerw oti egine mia syzhthsh kata th diarkeia ths synenteyjhs toy ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas, h opoia den jerw an odhghse kapoioys se kapoia paranohsh, se syndyasmo me alles plhrofories. Sas lew oti h askhsh poy moy dinei to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas ws yparkth kai programmatismenh, mazi me th shmeiwsh oti den yparxei kapoia allh askhsh sxediazomenh, einai ayth poy sas periegraca: Me 52 stelexh -kai gi` ayto eipa to "askhsh" entos eisagwgikwn- mia askhsh gewgrafikhs anagnwrishs, entagmenhs se enan pentaeth programmatismo toy NATO.

MIXAHL: Ayth h "askhsh" -entos eisagwgikwn, opws lete- twn 52 ajiwmatikwn toy NATO, mporeite na mas peite se poio meros qa ginei;

AQANASAKHS: Den to exw akribws, alla ypoqetw oti ayto mporei na dieykrinistei.

MIXAHL: Giati an einai askhsh anagnwrishs, opws eipate, exei idiaitero endiaferon an einai askhsh anagnwrishs sthn perioxh ths kentrikhs Makedonias kai allo endiaferon an einai askhsh anagnwrishs sthn Peloponnhso h sto Ionio.

AQANASAKHS: Sas qymizw oti eimaste melos toy NATO.

KARGOYDH: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an epibebaiwnete ena dhmosieyma, shmera sto BHMA, poy anaferei oti thn prohgoymenh Paraskeyh perase o yparxhgos toy NATO apo...

AQANASAKHS: Isxyei ayto, pragmati.

KARGOYDH: Kai apo th Qessalonikh, epishs;

AQANASAKHS: Den dieykrinisa to ths Qessalonikhs. Dieykrinisa an yphrje afijh kai synanthseis h epafes, sto plaisio toy ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas. Egine pragmati h episkech ayth. Milame gia ton k. Smiq.

SOYGLERHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw me poion tropo, gia thn asfaleia toys, pairnoyn adeia ta komboi twn forthgwn, ta kamionia poy metaferoyn anqrwpistikh bohqeia sto Beligradi kai alloy; Gia logoys tajhs sas erwtw: Pws kai me poio tropo; Einai asfalh; Kaqe fora, leei, zhtoyn kainoyrgia adeia; Pws ginetai;

AQANASAKHS: Yparxei mia synennohsh. Einai mia perioxh me sygkekrimenes dyskoles synqhkes. Gnwrizete oti gia na prowqhqei to prwto meros ths bohqeias pros to Kossobo, ekane sygkekrimenes synennohseis o symboylos toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, o k. Rontos, o opoios phge sto Beligradi gia na perasei h bohqeia pros Kossobo kai sygkekrimena pros thn Pristina, opoy den eixe kataferei na paei kaneis allos. Sas eipa, malista, kai xqes, oti ayth th diadikasia pisteyw, elpizw, oti qa mporesoyme na th synexisoyme. Den einai eykolo. Ginontai synennohseis me oles tis pleyres, oytws wste h anqrwpistikh bohqeia na mporei na ftanei ston proorismo ths.

SOYGLERHS: Oi NATOikes dynameis gnwrizoyn kaqe fora poy ginontai...

AQANASAKHS: Ginontai synennohseis me oles tis pleyres, wste h bohqeia pros toys prosfyges, kaqe fortio, na mporei na fqanei ston proorismo ths.

FILHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to antitorpiliko "Qemistoklhs", to opoio exei katapleysei sthn Adriatikh, qa labei meros stis nhocies poy qa dienergoyn oi natoikes dynameis sthn perioxh eis baros ploiwn poy kateyqynontai sto Mayroboynio;

AQANASAKHS: Exete mia synhqeia, shmera, na briskeste ligo mprosta apo ta pragmata. Den einai kako ayto.

FILHS: Einai h doyleia toy dhmosiografoy ayto, k. Ekproswpe.

AQANASAKHS: Nai, alla egw den eimai edw, s` ayto to bhma, ws dhmosiografos. Den einai kako ayto, na einai kaneis mprosta. Alla me rwtate gia tis nhocies ws na eixan apofasistei. Gnwrizete, omws, oti den exoyn apofasistei. Gnwrizete oti ayth th stigmh einai prowro na milhsei kaneis gia nhocies otan exete ypoch sas -ypoqetw- th syzhthsh sto plaisio ths E. E. gia olo ayto to qema toy "empargko" petrelaioy. An den eiste enhmeros, eimai etoimos na sas enhmerwsw kai an qelete na to kanw.

FILHS: Sas rwthsa, k. Ekproswpe, ean h Ellada qa labei meros...

AQANASAKHS: H apanthsh moy, pera apo ta prohgoymena, einai: Den exei teqei qema nhociwn. Synexizw: Yparxei mia syzhthsh, ayth th stigmh, sto plaisio ths E. E. gia to ean qa yparjei h oxi "empargko" petrelaioy. Ayth h syzhthsh egine kat` arxhn xqes, sthn omada ergasias twn symboylwn KEPA. Den yphrje koinh qesh sxetika me thn protash ths Proedrias, h opoia -an orqws thn exw sygkrathsei- einai h diakoph ths rohs petrelaioy, me ejairesh to Mayroboynio. H Ellada kai h Italia den symfwnhsan m` ayto. Eixame, apo prohgoymenes fores poy eixe erqei ayto to qema, pei oti thn istoria toy petrelaioy qa mporoyse na th dei kaneis enallaktika me toys bombardismoys h meta apo diakoph twn bombardismwn, an paremene to problhma. S` ayto parameiname kai xqes. Kai emeis kai oi Italoi. Oi Bretanoi -an, epishs, orqws to exw shmeiwsei apo thn enhmerwsh poy eixa- eixan mia allh apoch, poy elege na prowqeitai petrelaio mono gia anqrwpistikoys logoys kai pros tis perioxes poy briskontai prosfyges. Ola ayta antilambaneste oti einai mia syzhthsh se ejelijh. Xreiazetai koinh qesh. Shmera, sthn Politikh Epitroph, stoys dieyqyntes dhladh, den nomizw oti qa yparjei koinh qesh, afoy emeis qa eimaste me tis idies apoceis. To qema qa paei th Deytera, 26/4, sto Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn, stoys ypoyrgoys, gia peraiterw syzhthsh. Ayto ektimw oti qa ginei. Yparxei mia oloklhrh syzhthsh, thn opoia eimai bebaios oti gnwrizete, se oti afora to an h roh toy petrelaioy kalyptetai apo to chfisma 1160 toy Symboylioy Asfaleias, gia th roh stratiwtikoy ylikoy h oxi. Alla, den nomizw oti ayto apasxolei, ayth th stigmh, thn aiqoysa.

FILHS: Kai mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh: H apofash gia na lhfqei sthn E. E. qelei omofwnia h eidikh pleiochfia; Gia to qema toy "empargko" rwtw.

AQANASAKHS: Nomizw oti qelei omofwnia. Kai an perasei me omofwnia h apofash, sth synexeia o eidikos kanonismos, qelei eidikh pleiochfia.

KARGOYDH: Gia th synanthsh Papandreoy-Mhtsotakh, prwtoboylia toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn einai;

AQANASAKHS: O k. Mhtsotakhs zhthse th synanthsh ayth.

KARGOYDH: Kai den jerete kati sygkekrimeno...

AQANASAKHS: Den exw kati akoma. Einai gia tis 14.30 programmatismenh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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