Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-04-19

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 19 Aprilioy 1999

Geia sas.

Kalo meshmeri, kalh ebdomada.

* O ypoyrgos Typoy synodeyei ton Prwqypoyrgo stis HPA kai etsi qa eimaste mazi ayth thn ebdomada. O Prwqypoyrgos efqase sth Nea Yorkh, xqes, arga to brady, wra Ellados. To programma toy stis HPA sas exei dianemhqei. To gnwrizete. Ekane dhlwseis, xqes, kata thn afijh toy, ekei, stis opoies kai sas parapempw.

Sto shmerino programma -an den to exete hdh dei- yparxei synanthsh me to Geniko Grammatea twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn k. Kofi Anan kai ta egkainia twn ellhnikwn aiqoyswn toy Mhtropolitikoy Moyseioy ths Neas Yorkhs.

Gnwrizete to plaisio twn qesewn mas, to opoio exei anakoinwqei tis prohgoymenes hmeres kai to plaisio ths ellhnikhs prwtoboylias, twn ellhnikwn qesewn kai protasewn. Einai profanes oti o Prwqypoyrgos, se oles tis synanthseis toy stis HPA, qa prowqhsei tis qeseis aytes ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

* Gnwrizete, epishs, oti brisketai se ejelijh ayth th stigmh, ypo thn proedria toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn k. Giwrgoy Papandreoy, h atyph synanthsh empeirognwmonwn apo thn Ellada, th Boylgaria, th Roymania, thn Toyrkia, thn P. G. D. M., thn Albania, empeirognwmonwn apo tis balkanikes xwres, me qema syzhthshs th staqeropoihsh, thn anaptyjh kai thn anasygkrothsh twn xwrwn ths Balkanikhs, meta thn krish, thn epomenh hmera. Einai mia kinhsh poy entassetai stis prwtoboylies ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Einai ena krisimo qema, giati, opws h qesh mas einai oti h krish ayth prepei na kleisei me politika mesa, to taxytero dynato, etsi prepei egkairws na syzhthsoyme pws qa proxwrhsoyn ta Balkania, meta to telos ayths ths krishs.

* Qa kanw mia eisagwgikh parathrhsh sxetika me dhmosieymata kai osa metadidontai, me aformh "tojika nefh" k. lp., giati blepw oti apasxolei ton Typo -kai dikaiws- kai ypoqetw oti, me ton tropo poy paroysiazetai, apasxolei entona kai toys polites. Oi armodies yphresies toy YPEXWDE kai toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias briskontai se diarkh egrhgorsh kai se synergasia me toys symbeblhmenoys kai armodioys episthmonikoys foreis, opws einai to Aristoteleio Panepisthmio Qessalonikhs kai h Epitroph Atomikhs Energeias. Pragmatopoioyntai metrhseis, diaxronikes, sthn atmosfaira, sto edafos, sto nero. Den yparxoyn endeijeis poy na dikaiologoyn anhsyxia. Ginontai syskeceis. Qa yparjoyn kai syskeceis olwn twn emplekomenwn forewn kai episthmonikwn synergatwn. Den yparxoyn endeijeis poy na dikaiologoyn anhsyxia kai aytes einai, an deite, kai oi dhlwseis twn episthmonwn.

* Gia na kleisw tis eisagwgikes moy parathrhseis, qa moy epitrecete kai mia parathrhsh gia th N. D. kai ton k. K. Karamanlh, giati ypeblhqhn sth dokimasia anagnwshs seiras omiliwn toy apo thn periodeia toy sth boreia Ellada. Qelw na pw, omws, toyto: Otan o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs xarakthrizei "logia toy aera" mia prwtoboylia ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, mia protash ths Elladas gia thn anagkh politikhs lyshs sthn krish ths Gioygkoslabias, tote moy epitrepei na pw oti aplws aerologei kai na prosqesw oti dystyxws, den einai h prwth fora poy to kanei kai foboymai oti den qa einai kai h teleytaia.

O k. Karamanlhs ycwnei toys tonoys toy laikismoy kai xanei pontoys sto epipedo ths ypeyqynothtas. Dystyxws, fainetai oti anteje poly liges hmeres mia stash sxetikhs sobarothtas kai ypeyqynothtas, thn opoia krathse h N. D. Kai otan mila gia diglwssia ths kybernhshs kai otan paraqetei seira epiqetikwn, ybristikwn xarakthrismwn gia ton Prwqypoyrgo kai thn kybernhsh, se keimena omiliwn apo ta opoia den yparxoyn oysiastika kai den yparxei oysia, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti "paizei en oy paiktois". Poly perissotero, otan h N. D. exei hdh dhlwsei oti, akoma kai gia thn apofash gia thn anaptyjh xersaiwn dynamewn, h Ellada den qa eixe periqwria na qesei beto, otan h N. D. exei, metexontas sto Eyrwpaiko Laiko Komma, yposthrijei poly sygkekrimenes qeseis se oti afora to gioygkoslabikotis opoies o ypoyrgos k. Reppas anefere stis apanthseis toy, to perasmeno Sabbato, otan me ayto ton tropo politeyetai, einai pragmatika ypokritiko na apeyqynetai sto eswteriko kata ths kybernhshs, me ayto ton tropo.

To qema ths krishs sth Gioygkoslabia mporei kai prepei na antimetwpistei apo oloys me akra ypeyqynothta kai sobarothta. Elpizoyme oti h N. D. den qa synexisei th diolisqhsh ths se aytes tis qeseis kai o k. Karamanlhs den qa synexisei na prospaqei na krybetai pisw apo to daktylo toy.

Ayta eisagwgika apo thn pleyra moy.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Mas eipate kat` arxhn gia ta tojika nefh, oti mexri stigmhs den yparxoyn endeijeis poy na prokaloyn anhsyxia. Yparxoyn endeijeis kai stoixeia poy na mhn epitrepoyn oles aytes tis syskeceis;

AQANASAKHS: Sas eipa k. Mixahl, oti opws eimaste ypoxrewmenoi na kanoyme kai prepei na to kanoyme, oi armodies yphresies, oi armodioi episthmonikoi foreis kanoyn synexws metrhseis, parakoloyqwntas to fainomeno ayto. Qa parakaloysa, omws, sto qema ayto na topoqetoymaste oloi me bash ta pragmatika, episthmonika dedomena, giati, kaqws antilambaneste, enw den prepei na kryftei otidhpote ean ayto paroysiastei, den prepei na dhmioyrgoyme kai ena klima poy den basizetai sta episthmonika dedomena. Eimaste mia xwra h opoia exei hdh ypostei kai yfistatai mia seira epiptwsewn ston oikonomiko tomea apo osa symbainoyn sthn perioxh. Den exw thn entypwsh oti qa prepei ayto na to epiteinoyme, otan den yparxei logos.

PAYLOPOYLOS: H dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Kentrikh Epitroph toy PASOK oti den qa metasxei h Ellada se xersaia epembash...

AQANASAKHS: H dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai oti h Ellada den qa parei meros se stratiwtikes epixeirhseis. H diatypwsh toy htan ayth.

PAYLOPOYLOS: Synepagetai oti h Ellada qa apanthsei arnhtika kai se endexomeno aithma toy NATO na parasxoyme dieykolynseis...;

AQANASAKHS: Den exei teqei qema xersaiwn epixeirhsewn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Ellada qa paraxwrhsei to limani ths Qessalonikhs sto NATO. To exei paraxwrhsei hdh, alla qa to paraxwrhsei kai gia alles dynameis;

AQANASAKHS: Apo to limani ths Qessalonikhs exoyn dielqei dynameis oi opoies -ystera apo aithma kai me symfwnia ths kybernhshs twn Skopiwn- briskontai ayth th stigmh sta Skopia, sthn prooptikh ths eirhneytikhs dynamhs, meta thn epiteyjh symfwnias. Ayto exei symbei ews twra. Tipota allo. Kai epanalambanw oti den exei teqei apo poyqena qema xersaiwn epixeirhsewn kai dynamewn poy qa paroyn meros se xersaies epixeirhseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati aytes tis dynameis den mporoyn na tis xrhsimopoihsoyn gia xersaies epixeirhseis; Den einai stratiwtes, den einai oplismenoi;

AQANASAKHS: Ayth einai h dikh sas apoch. Mporeite na thn perigracete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den mporoyn na xrhsimopoihqoyn;

AQANASAKHS: Mporw na sas kanw makra analysh toy stratiwtikoy ylikoy h twn efodiwn poy exei kaqe dynamh. Epanelaba thn ellhnikh qesh kai to ti symbainei ayth th stigmh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti milhse o k. Karamanlhs kai gia diglwssia ths kybernhshs. Den to eipe mono o k. Karamanlhs. To exei pei kai o k. Kwnstantopoylos, h ka Paparhga kai o k. Tsobolas. Oloklhrh h Antipoliteysh milaei gia diglwssia ths Kybernhshs kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

AQANASAKHS: Milate san ekproswpos toy k. Kwnstantopoyloy, ths kas Paparhga...;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, den milaw san ekproswpos. Rwtaw mono o k. Karamanlhs milaei gia diglwssia ths kybernhshs; Oloi to lene, olh h Antipoliteysh.

AQANASAKHS: Ta kommata poy anaferete exoyn kai mia poly sygkekrimenh qesh teleiws diaforetikh, oson afora toylaxiston orismena apo ayta, se oti afora to qema kaqeayto. Egw anefera kai tis ews twra qeseis ths N. D. H kybernhsh me apolyth eilikrineia, se oles tis topoqethseis ths kai sto ejwteriko alla kai sto eswteriko ths xwras, exei paroysiasei tis qeseis ths. Exei milhsei gia thn anagkh termatismoy ayths ths diadikasias, gia thn anagkh epiteyjhs politikhs lyshs. Exei tonisei, opoy metexei kai sthn Ellada kai sto ejwteriko, oti den pisteyei oti h stratiwtikh epembash mporei na dwsei lysh sto problhma. Exei, taytoxrona, paroysiasei mia seira qesewn kai gia tis ektimhseis ths gia osa symbainoyn sthn perioxh -thn opoia gnwrizei kala- kai gia to pws mporoyme na proxwrhsoyme apo edw kai pera. Kai exei symbalei kata ta alla kai ston tomea ths anqrwpistikhs bohqeias se terastio baqmo prwtoporei, sygkritika me alles xwres, kaqws epishs kai ston tomea ths synergasias twn lawn ths Balkanikhs gia thn epomenh hmera. Aytes einai oi qeseis ths kybernhshs. Einai qeseis poy anaptyssontai diadoxika, einai qeseis poy anaptyssontai apo thn arxh. Einai prwtoboylies poy analambanontai sto plaisio bebaiws poy epeshmane o Prwqypoyrgos apo thn prwth hmera. Miloyme gia prwtoboylies poy na mporoyn na odhghsoyn se kapoio apotelesma kai oxi prwtoboylies kai kinhseis dhmosiwn sxesewn.

H N. D., enw den paroysiazei kamia qesh epi ths oysias, tis teleytaies hmeres, allazontas taktikh, epitiqetai kata ths kybernhshs, xwris kamia oysiastikh qesh kai xwris kamia diaforopoihsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Enw h kybernhsh milaei gia anqrwpistikes prwtoboylies, parallhla ypografei gia th genoktonia twn Serbwn apo to NATO.

AQANASAKHS: Sas parapempw sthn anakoinwsh toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos, sto opoio metexei h N. D.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw milaw gia thn kybernhsh.

AQANASAKHS: H kybernhsh exei mia eyqynh: Na prostateysei ta symferonta ths xwras. Na kinhqei me prwto krithrio ta symferonta ths xwras kai toy ellhnikoy laoy. H kybernhsh exei thn eyqynh na mila sto onoma ths Elladas, h opoia exei kai sygkekrimenes symbatikes ypoxrewseis apo tis opoies den mporei na apostei, pera apo orismena plaisia entos twn oriwn, sta opoia, gnwrizete oti h kybernhsh kineitai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Thn prwtoboylia poy anakoinwse o Prwqypoyrgos proxqes, qa thn anaptyjei epishma sth Synodo toy NATO;

AQANASAKHS: Exw apanthsei oti stis epafes poy qa exei...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw erwtw an thn anaptyjei sth Synodo toy NATO.

AQANASAKHS: Sas parapempw stis shmerines dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, poy sas exoyn dianemhqei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi epishma dhladh...

AQANASAKHS: Egw den eipa "oxi epishma". Giati bgazete ayto to symperasma;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sas erwtw ean qa anaptyjei to qema sth Synodo toy NATO.

AQANASAKHS: Giati bgazete ayto to symperasma, k. Stamatopoyle;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Erwtw, qa teqei sth Synodo toy NATO;

AQANASAKHS: Oi qeseis poy exei labei h ellhnikh kybernhsh gia to Kosobo qa anaptyxqoyn se oles tis synanthseis kai opoy problepetai sxetikh syzhthsh. H prwth antidrash moy sthn erwthsh sas htan oti sas parapempw stis dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, tis opoies ypeqeta oti eixate diabasei. Sas diabazw, loipon, apo to keimeno twn dhlwsewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy, kata thn afijh toy sth Nea Yorkh: "Qa syzhthsoyme bebaiws kai to qema toy Kossyfopedioy. Yphrxan kapoies fhmes oti den prokeitai na syzhthqei ayto to qema. Bebaiws kai qa syzhthqei. H idia h Grammateia toy NATO to orise ws qema syzhthshs, alla to eixan zhthsei kai alles xwres kai emeis". Ara, oxi mono qa syzhthqei, alla qa syzhthqei katopin kai dikoy mas aithmatos.

SOYGLERHS: Eimaste sthn tetarth ebdomada twn natoikwn bombardismwn. Mhpws h kybernhsh exei plhroforhsh an exoyn allajei ta dedomena, mhpws eimaste poly konta pleon se xersaies epixeirhseis;

AQANASAKHS: Den exei teqei qema xersaiwn epixeirhsewn. Sto qema ths anqrwpistikhs bohqeias na prosqesw oti, me oles tis dyskolies poy yparxoyn, qa synexistei h roh bohqeias kai pros to Kosobo, meta apo tis epafes tis opoies gnwrizete. Opws epishs kai oti analabame thn ypoxrewsh gia th sygkrothsh enos akomh kataylismoy prosfygwn sta Skopia, peran apo toys treis kataylismoys toys opoioys h Ellada exei hdh sygkrothsei sthn Albania.

KARGOYDH: Qa hqela na rwthsw poia anagkh kalyptei h shmerinh episkech toy k. Toypoyrkofski sthn Aqhna kai h synanthsh toy me ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn, dedomenhs ths synanthshs Shmith - Gkligkorof stis HPA;

AQANASAKHS: Nomizw oti kanete ena sysxetismo oxi sxetikwn pragmatwn. Allo einai h synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Gkligkorof, gia thn opoia exete hdh enhmerwqei. O k. Toypoyrkofski exei klhqei apo ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ws proswpikothta apo thn pleyra ths P. G. D. M., gia na parei meros sthn atyph synanthsh twn empeirognwmonwn, gia thn opoia sas milhsa sthn arxh.

KARGOYDH: Ta Skopia omws emfanizontai me poly anabaqmismenh ekproswphsh, me ayth thn ennoia se sxesh me tis ypoloipes xwres.

AQANASAKHS: An deite to reportaz kai apo to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, qa deite oti sth bash toy na eyodwqei h prospaqeia synanthshs twn ekproswpwn twn xwrwn, -giati oi xwres exoyn metajy toys diafora problhmata kai qa mporoyse ayth h synanthsh na mh ginei gia typikoys diadikastikoys logoys- yparxoyn oi ekproswpoi twn ypoyrgeiwn Ejwterikwn apo thn Ellada, th Boylgaria, th Roymania kai thn Toyrkia, xwres oi opoies eixan syzhthsei to qema. Kai sth synexeia, apo ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn klhqhkan ws proswpikothtes, o k. Toypoyrkofski apo ta Skopia, o k. Gkramos Paasxoy apo thn Albania kai o k. Ntank Tzoynik apo th Gioygkoslabia, Proedros toy Institoytoy Oikonomias toy Beligradioy, o opoios den katafere na erqei, alla prepei hdh na exei yparjei eggrafh kataqesh twn apocewn ths gioygkoslabikhs pleyras. O stoxos htan na epiteyxqei h synanthsh kai na mhn emplakoyn oi diafores twn xwrwn. Ayth th stigmh gnwrizete oti h Gioygkoslabia, gia paradeigma, exei diakocei tis diplwmatikes sxeseis me thn Albania. Qa mporoysan dhladh diadikastika qemata na empodisoyn th synanthsh ayth kaqeayth. Kai gi' ayto epilexthke ayth h diadikasia.

PAYLOPOYLOS: Epeidh eipate treis fores oti den exei teqei qema xersaias epembashs, tesseris hmeres prin, thn Pempth sygkekrimena, o ypoyrgos Amynas ths Meg. Bretanias k. Rompertson dhlwse oti ena tetoio endexomeno mias tetoias apofashs einai poly piqano. Den anhsyxei h kybernhsh oti briskomaste poly konta se mia tetoia apofash pleon;

AQANASAKHS: Epitrecte moy na sas pw, kata thn apoch moy, oti kakws me diorqwnete. Kai an deite thn apomagnhtofwnhsh ths erwthshs sas, qa diapistwsete oti eseis o idios diorqwnete thn prwth frash sas, dioti epibebaiwnete me to deytero skelos ths frashs sas, ayto poy exw pei, oti den exei teqei qema xersaiwn epixeirhsewn. Kai milw sto epipedo twn Organwn poy kaloyntai na apofasisoyn, poy kaloyntai na syzhthsoyn. To ean qewrei enas ypoyrgos Amynas ws endexomeno tis xersaies epixeirhseis, ayto den shmainei oti exei teqei h diadikasia dieyrynshs twn epixeirhsewn. Emeis elpizoyme kai ergazomaste, oytws wste oi xersaies epixeirhseis -poy apo kanenan, sas lew, den exoyn teqei na mhn yparjoyn. Alla ta qemata, bebaiws, antimetwpizontai otan prokyptoyn, oxi se ypoqetika plaisia, kai panta, symfwna me th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti h Ellada den metexei se stratiwtikes epixeirhseis.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Exete kapoio sxolio gia ta apotelesmata twn eklogwn sthn Toyrkia;

AQANASAKHS: Den exoyme kanena logo na kanoyme sxolia poy qa mporoyse na qewrhqei oti me ayta epembainoyme sta eswterika mias geitonikhs xwras. Ayto poy endiaferei emas, einai h Toyrkia na mh brisketai se periodo kai se fash astaqeias, na mhn exei tetoia problhmata. Ayto poy emas endiaferei einai h poreia ths se mia leitoyrgia dhmokratikwn qesmwn, opws exei teqei kai apo thn E. E. Ayto poy emas endiaferei, einai h toyrkikh kybernhsh h opoia qa prokycei kata tis eswterikes diergasies ths toyrkikhs politikhs zwhs, na einai mia kybernhsh, poy ei dynaton, na epiqymei kai ayth, opws kai h ellhnikh kybernhsh, th synergasia, th filia, thn eirhnh sthn perioxh.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Qewreite oti prokyptei kati tetoio apo ta apotelesmata twn eklogwn, oson afora to trito skelos;

AQANASAKHS: Ki esas an rwtoysa, den qa mporoysate na apanthsete.

ALEJAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gnwrizei h ellhnikh kybernhsh thn proqesh toy Amerikanoy presbh na episkefqei th Qrakh to amesws prosexes diasthma; Sas exei enhmerwsei;

AQANASAKHS: Exw thn entypwsh oti yparxei sxetikh enhmerwsh pros to ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn apo dimhnoy.

ALEJAKH: Qa paei me epixeirhmaties, leei, gia na anabaqmisei thn perioxh. Pws...

AQANASAKHS: Den apagoreyetai. Den exw ypoch moy akribws to plaisio ths episkechs ayths, alla h Ellada einai mia anoixth kai eleyqerh xwra. Oi episkeceis diplwmatwn se olh thn Epikrateia ths xwras den einai apagoreymenes. Bebaiws, ypokeintai se sygkekrimenoys kanones. Efoson oi kanones aytoi plhroyntai, den yparxei kanena qema.

ALEJAKH: Sas rwthsa giati jerete, ekfrasthke apo toys Amerikanoys h apoch oti qa paei me epixeirhmaties gia na anabaqmisei thn perioxh. Kai epeidh egw qewrw oti ayto einai mallon ergo ths kybernhshs, h anabaqmish ayth...

AQANASAKHS: Den exw mprosta moy kapoio epishmo keimeno poy na anaferei ayth th diatypwsh poy lete, ara den mporw na dwsw kai mia apanthsh poy qa basizotan se mia tetoia diatypwsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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