Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-04-08

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 8 Aprilioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

* O Prwqypoyrgos, sto plaisio twn synanthsewn toy me toys politikoys arxhgoys, exei synanthsh, ayth thn wra, me ton k. Kwnstantopoylo kai argotera me ton k. Tsobola.

* Sth synexeia, qa dexqei toys epikefalhs Trapezikwn Idrymatwn, oi opoioi qa toy paradwsoyn epitagh shmantikoy xrhmatikoy posoy. Kai h energeia ayth entassetai sto plaisio ths enisxyshs ths prospaqeias poy kataballei to ellhniko kratos gia thn paroxh anqrwpistikhs bohqeias stoys prosfyges. To poso ayto, ek meroys twn Trapezwn, anerxetai se 300 ekatommyria draxmes.

* Prepei na sas pw oti, hdh, kineitai pros thn Krystallophgh enas loxos Mhxanikoy. Apoteleitai apo ejeidikeymenoys episthmones, mhxanikoys kai texnikoys. Diaqetei mhxanhmata kai alla efodia. To apogeyma qa brisketai sthn perioxh toy Pogradets kai apo ayrio qa arxisei na ergazetai gia th dhmioyrgia enos akomh kataylismoy, poy qa ejasfalisei arketes xiliades qeseis paramonhs prosfygwn. O loxos aytos metaferei, epishs, skhnes, trofima, royxismo kai alla xrhsima ylika, ta opoia exoyn promhqeysei to ypoyrgeio Ygeias, o Ellhnikos Eryqros Stayros kai alles dhmosies yphresies, prokeimenoy na anakoyfistei o ponos kai h dystyxia twn prosfygwn poy exoyn kataklysei thn perioxh ayth.

* Epishs, ayrio sto Dyrraxeio qa katapleysei ellhniko armatagwgo, to opoio qa metaferei eidh anqrwpistikhs bohqeias (trofima, royxa ktl.).

* Oson afora to qema twn prosfygwn, epanalambanw oti den epiteyxqhke mia eniaia eyrwpaikh qesh, sthn antimetwpish toy problhmatos, kata to xqesino symboylio ypoyrgwn Eswterikwn kai Dhmosias Asfaleias. Megales xwres, h Gallia, h Bretania kai h Italia, arnhqhkan na dexqoyn sto edafos toys ena meros twn prosfygwn, poy eixe apofasistei na katanemhqoyn se diafores xwres. Katopin toytoy kai epeidh den yparxei oloklhrwmeno eyrwpaiko sxedio gia thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos kai h Ellada arnhqhke na dexqei sto edafos ths, estw kai enan prosfyga. Parallhla, synexizoyme me poly entonotero ryqmo thn prospaqeia mas na ejasfalisoyme anektes synqhkes zwhs gia xiliades prosfyges poy diabioyn sta Skopia kai thn Albania. Eimaste h xwra poy dikaioymaste na poyme oti exoyme prwtoporhsei oson afora thn paroxh anqrwpistikhs bohqeias pros toys prosfyges.

* Gnwrizete oti, shmera, syerxetai to Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn, opoy h germanikh proedreia epanaferei thn eishghsh thn opoia kateqese xqes sto plaisio ths synedriashs ths Omadas Epafhs. H prwtoboylia ths germanikhs Proedrias mas briskei apolytws symfwnoys. Th qewroyme qetikh kai thn yposthrizoyme. H protash ayth problepei:

1. Th diakoph twn ekkaqaristikwn epixeirhsewn.

2. Thn aposyrsh twn gioygkoslabikwn strateymatwn kai ths astynomias.

3. Thn anempodisth dynatothta epanegkatastashs twn prosfygwn stis esties toys.

4. Th xrhsimopoihsh dynamewn poy qa elegjoyn kai qa epithrhsoyn thn efarmogh aytoy toy sxedioy, ths epanegkatastashs, dhladh, twn prosfygwn. Kai, bebaiws,

5. Thn enarjh ths diadikasias sygklishs toy Symboylioy Asfaleias, prokeimenoy kai me th symmetoxh ths Rwsias kai twn allwn melwn toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE, na odhghqoyme se mia apofash, poy qa problepei thn anaptyjh eirhneytikhs dynamhs, ypo thn aigida toy OHE.

* Th Deytera, qa synedriasei to atypo Symboylio twn ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn twn xwrwn-melwn toy NATO. H Synodos ayth einai atyph, h syzhthsh einai eleyqerh kai den prokeitai na lhfqoyn apofaseis. Qa ginei mia episkophsh twn ejelijewn meta thn krish sto Kossyfopedio kai bebaiws, qa diatypwqoyn apoceis apo toys ekproswpoys diaforwn xwrwn gia thn kalyterh antimetwpish toy problhmatos, se oles tis parametroys toy. Ennow oxi mono gia thn antimetwpish aytoy kaqaytoy toy problhmatos, alla kai twn synepeiwn toy, metajy twn opoiwn koryfaia, asfalws, einai ayth poy afora toys prosfyges.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exete ypoch sas ti ginetai me ayth thn prwtoboylia toy k. Kyprianoy gia na paei na parei toys treis Amerikanoys; Exete kati neotero san kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Den exoyme kati neotero. Gnwrizete oti o k. Kyprianoy brisketai sthn Aqhna. Anamenetai na anaxwrhsei gia to Beligradi prokeimenoy na syzhthsei me toys ajiwmatoyxoys ths gioygkoslabikhs kybernhshs qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn paradosh twn triwn aixmalwtwn Amerikanwn stratiwtwn. Ayto to qema brisketai se ena tetoio shmeio, wste na dikaiologeitai, apo th mia, aisiodojia, apo thn allh, omws, na mhn epitrepetai na kallierghqei ypermetrh aisiodojia, doqentos oti den gnwrizoyme tis peristaseis katw apo tis opoies qa ginoyn oi syzhthseis toy k. Kyprianoy me toys Gioygkoslaboys ajiwmatoyxoys kai pws akribws qa proxwrhsei to qema ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh stelnei anqrwpistikh bohqeia gia toys prosfyges kai pairnei orismena metra kai skhnes kai farmaka. Sthn allh pleyra, sth Gioygkoslabia, h kybernhsh den kanei tipota, farmaka kai ayta, gia toys nekroys poy exoyn;

REPPAS: Apo thn prwth hmera sas eipa oti h anqrwpistikh bohqeia kateyqynetai se oloys toys proorismoys, ekei opoy yparxoyn anqrwpoi poy exoyn anagkh th bohqeia ayth. Kat` epanalhch, milhsame gia ta qymata. Kai qymata yparxoyn se oles tis pleyres. Oi mh kybernhtikes organwseis poy exoyn edra thn Ellada einai aytes poy kyriws exoyn anaptyjei drasthriothta, oson afora thn paroxh anqrwpistikhs bohqeias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw rwtaw gia thn kybernhsh. Giati tis kinhseis poy ginontai tis jeroyme.

REPPAS: Asfalws. Oi organwseis aytes diamesolaboyn, ajiopoioyn kai parexoyn th bohqeia mesw twn kentrwn poy exei organwsei h kybernhsh, sthn Aqhna, th Qessalonikh, ta Giannena. Giati exoyn organwqei kentra epithrhshs kai yposthrijhs aytwn twn prospaqeiwn gia thn paroxh anqrwpistikhs bohqeias kai mesw aytwn kateyqynetai h bohqeia stis geitonikes xwres.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sth Gioygkoslabia;

REPPAS: Asfalws. Sas eipa apo thn prwth mera, oti h bohqeia ayth afora kai th Serbia kai to Mayroboynio kai to Kossyfopedio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kati akoma, an gia thn prwtoboylia ayth, gia thn epistolh Karamanlh, exete na kanete kapoio sxolio.

REPPAS: Einai qetikh prwtoboylia. Pisteyoyme, omws, oti brisketai poly pisw apo tis ejelijeis. Bebaiws, to oti o k. Karamanlhs enwnei th fwnh toy me oloys ekeinoys poy epiqymoyn na lyqei dia ths eirhnikhs odoy h krish sto Kossyfopedio, einai kati poly qetiko. Pisteyoyme, omws, oti ayth thn krisimh wra h apotelesmatikothta tetoiwn prwtoboyliwn einai mikrh, einai oriakh, xwris ayto na shmainei oti den xreiazontai kai aytes oi prwtoboylies. Xreiazontai, alla qa prepei na tis antimetwpizoyme sth swsth diastash toys.

KONTOPOYLOS: Ejetazete to endexomeno na stalei kapoia dynamh sta Skopia gia thn peraiterw prowqhsh ths bohqeias;

REPPAS: Oxi. Sta Skopia yparxoyn dynameis, oi opoies ajiopoioyn th bohqeia ayth kai mporei na pei kaneis oti to programma ths anqrwpistikhs bohqeias ejelissetai kanonika. Qa enisxysoyme thn ellhnikh dynamh ths Albanias, me to loxo mhxanikoy, opws sas eipa, poy apoteleitai apo episthmones, apo eidikoys, prokeimenoy na dhmioyrghsoyn kataylismoys. H dynamh ayth, bebaiws, twn andrwn poy qa prowqhqoyn sthn Albania, einai mikrh. Mh fantazeste oti qa metaboyn ekei ekatontades Ellhnes stratiwtes. Miloyme gia liges dekades stratiwtwn. Qa einai epilektoi, qa einai episthmones, qa einai eidikoi, texnikoi, mhxanikoi, prokeimenoy na analaboyn ayto to ergo.

MOYRTZHS: Otan lete oti den prepei na kalliergeitai ypermetrh aisiodojia, epeidh den gnwrizoyme tis protaseis poy qa ginoyn stis syzhthseis metajy toy k. Kyprianoy kai ths Gioygkoslabikhs pleyras, ennoeite oti, endexomenws, to qema na kwlysei epeidh oi Gioygkoslaboi -endexomenws- na zhthsoyn kapoioy eidoys antiparoxh gia thn apeleyqerwsh twn omhrwn;

REPPAS: Lew, aplws, oti den exoyme ypoch mas ta alla stoixeia peran aytwn poy exoyn doqei sth dhmosiothta. Ayto mas kanei na eimaste poly prosektikoi. To qema ayto afora thn tyxh stratiwtwn. Gnwrizete poly kala oti qa prepei na eimaste epifylaktikoi. Apo thn allh, omws, qa prepei na ekfrasoyme thn elpida mas na oloklhrwqei me epityxia ayth h apostolh poy exei analabei o k. Kyprianoy. Einai mia apostolh, h opoia pisteyoyme oti qa paijei qetiko rolo, qa epenerghsei qetika, dhladh, thn wra ayth poy h krish brisketai se mia ojeia fash ths.

DHMAKAS: Yparxei sxedio sthn kybernhsh na metabei o Prwqypoyrgos, tis epomenes hmeres, meta to Pasxa, se balkanikes prwteyoyses, prin to tajidi sthn Amerikh;

REPPAS: Thn Pempth, 15 Aprilioy, epistrefontas apo tis Bryjelles, qa metabei sth Sofia meta apo prosklhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy ths Boylgarias kai qa exei synomilies me thn politikh hgesia ths xwras.

FASOYLAS: Grafetai ston Typo kai metadidetai apo ellhnika kai jena Praktoreia oti synexizetai h kaqodos Kossobarwn prosfygwn stis geitonikes perioxhs sthn Albania, para tis diabebaiwseis ths albanikhs kybernhshs. Gi` ayto to qema ti plhrofories exete kai an alhqeyoyn ola ayta poy grafontai kai legontai;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, gi` ayton akribws to logo enisxyetai h paroysia ths ellhnikhs dynamhs sthn Albania. Afenos me andres twn dynamewn poy exoyn eidikes gnwseis kai ikanothtes, afeteroy me texnika mesa, prokeimenoy na dhmioyrghqei enas kataylismos sthn perioxh toy Pogradets gia xiliades prosfyges, wste na parameinoyn ekei. Yparxei ayto to kyma metakinhshs pros th notia Albania. Qa prepei na epishmanw, gia na mh dhmioyrgoyntai sygxyseis kai ginontai paranohseis, oti h Albania einai kyriarxo kratos. Den qa elegjei kapoios to poy egkaqistantai sto eswteriko ths Albanias, polites ths Albanias h prosfyges sthn Albania. Ayto, omws, to opoio exoyme kaqe dikaiwma na kanoyme kai to kanoyme, einai na zhthsoyme eggyhseis kai diasfaliseis gia tis perioysies, gia ta symferonta twn Ellhnwn omogenwn, oi opoioi diabioyn se ayth thn perioxh. Exoyme oles tis diabebaiwseis oti den prokeitai na qigoyn ta dikaiwmata twn Ellhnwn omogenwn kai pisteyoyme oti ayto qa ginei sebasto. Giati exoyme dhlwsei, me polloys tropoys, to idiaitero endiaferon mas. Prosfata, xqes kiolas, o k. Papandreoy, o opoios episkefqhke ta Tirana, epanelabe ayto to entono aisqhma poy diakatexei oloys toys Ellhnes, prokeimenoy na diasfalistoyn ta dikaiwmata kai ta symferonta twn Ellhnwn omogenwn.

KONTOPOYLOS: Yparxei kati perissotero gia ta problhmata poy dhmioyrghqhkan metajy Skopiwn kai Albanias apo th metakinhsh peripoy 10.000 prosfygwn apo ta Skopia pros thn Albania;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti oi geitonikes xwres antimetwpizoyn problhmata. Den to exoyn krycei. Oi hgesies toys exoyn dhlwsei oti oi xwres toys briskontai se mia poly krisimh katastash, logw ths krishs sto Kossyfopedio. Egine ayth h metakinhsh xiliadwn prosfygwn apo to kratos twn Skopiwn pros thn Albania. H paroysia toy k. Papandreoy edwse th dynatothta na erqoyn se epafh kai na syzhthsoyn oi ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn twn dyo kratwn, pragma to opoio pisteyw oti qa leitoyrghsei oxi aplws qetika, alla katalytika sthn apo koinoy antimetwpish twn problhmatwn, poy einai koina gia tis dyo xwres. Yparxoyn polla problhmata. Allwste, h katastash einai ektakth. Antilambaneste pws se tetoies periodoys dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata. Alla, pisteyw oti h paroysia kai h parembash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs prosferei ena qetiko ergo, to opoio antilambanontai, to apodexontai kai to anagnwrizoyn kai oi ekproswpoi twn geitonikwn xwrwn.

KONTOPOYLOS: Ta dyo geitonika krath exoyn antirrhsh gia to gegonos oti h Ellada den dexetai na dexqei prosfyges;

REPPAS: Den eqesan tetoio qema. Gnwrizete oti ta geitonika krath exoyn ekfrasei thn ikanopoihsh toys kai exoyn eyxaristhsei thn Ellada giati exei prwtostathsei sthn paroxh anqrwpistikhs bohqeias pros toys prosfyges, oi opoioi diabioyn sto kratos twn Skopiwn kai thn Albania. Kamia allh xwra den exei prosferei ayto to ycos bohqeias kai me ayto ton tropo poy prosefere bohqeia h Ellada pros toys prosfyges.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Na rwthsw pali gia thn prwtoboylia toy k. Kyprianoy. Dinetai h entypwsh oti oloi apostasiopoioyntai apo to qema ayto kai "petoyn to mpalaki" ston k. Kyprianoy. Xqes, o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn eipe oti einai prwtoboylia kai ths Aqhnas kai ths Leykwsias. Kai eseis, epishs, eixate pei oti exete enhmerwsh. Qa hqela na rwthsw shmera ti enhmerwsh exete kai an telika einai prwtoboylia apokleistika toy k. Kyprianoy kai kanenos alloy h einai kai ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh eixe diatypwsei thn idea na stamathsoyn oi polemikes drasthriothtes enocei twn eortwn toy Pasxa. Epishs, kapoia stigmh, h ellhnikh kybernhsh eixe diamhnysei pros th gioygkoslabikh hgesia oti qa eixe qetiko antiktypo an apeleyqerwne, enocei toy Pasxa, toys kratoymenoys Amerikanoys stratiwtes. H ellhnikh kybernhsh enhmerwqhke apo ton k. Kyprianoy gi ayth thn epikoinwnia poy eixe me th gioygkoslabikh hgesia. O k. Kyprianoy einai aytos poy eixe epikoinwnia me th gioygkoslabikh hgesia. H ellhnikh kybernhsh parembainei, prokeimenoy na prosferei th bohqeia ths, na ejasfalisei, dhladh, meso metaforas h opoia allh yposthrijh xreiazetai o k. Kyprianoy, gia na oloklhrwsei me epityxia thn apostolh toy. O k. Kyprianoy brisketai sthn Aqhna. Anamenei, meta apo synennohseis me tis gioygkoslabikes arxes, na ejasfalisei thn egkrish toys, prokeimenoy na metabei sto Beligradi. Qa perimenoyme, loipon, na tajideysei ga na doyme pws qa ejelixqoyn ta pragmata.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Yparxei endexomeno na mhn tajideysei.;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti o k. Kyprianoy brisketai edw sto plaisio ths apostolhs toy poy problepei metabash sto Beligradi, prokeimenoy na synanthqei me th gioygkoslabikh hgesia kai na syzhthsei to qema ths apeleyqerwshs twn triwn stratiwtwn. Pisteyw oti qa tajideysei sto Beligradi. Diaforetika, den yphrxe logos na erqei sthn Aqhna.

SOYRMELH: Yparxei kamia endeijh sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh poy qa pane ayta ta paidia, otan qa ta parei o k. Kyprianoy; Giati symfwna me ayta poy akoysame xqes, qa ta paei sthn Kypro kai qa ta dwsei sthn amerikanikh presbeia. Wstoso, yparxoyn plhrofories oti ayta ta paidia qa fygoyn apo Ellada gia Germania, gia stratiwtikh bash twn Amerikanwn. An ypoqesoyme oti isxyei, eseis qa jerete, qa exete etoimasei thn ypodoxh an fygoyn apo Ellada, yparxei kati sxetiko;

REPPAS: Einai mia ypoqesh. Einai poly prowro na poyme pws akribws qa ejelixqei olh ayth h epixeirhsh. Mporw na sas pw, omws, to plaisio ths. Efoson, oi treis stratiwtes doqoyn ston k. Kyprianoy, qa metaboyn sth Leykwsia kai sth synexeia qa doqoyn se ekproswpo ths kybernhshs twn HPA, prokeimenoy na metaferqoyn se topo ths epiloghs toys.

SOYRMELH: Dhladh, den qa stamathsoyn sthn Aqhna;

REPPAS: Sas eipa pws blepw na ejelissetai to plaisio ayths ths apostolhs.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh pote diamhnyse sth Gioygkoslabia gia thn apeleyqerwsh twn triwn stratiwtwn;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti yparxei aytos o diaylos epikoinwnias, mesw toy Gioygkoslaboy presbh, mesw twn diplwmatikwn ekproswpwn ths gioygkoslabikhs hgesias. Gi` ayto akribws, milhse kai o k. Papandreoy, legontas pws hmastan se synennohsh kai eixame qesei ayto to qema.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Otan sas eixa rwthsei, to eixate diaceysei.

REPPAS: Otan me rwthsate, asfalws, den eixe teqei ayto to qema. Teqhke poly meta.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Se periptwsh poy paei o k. Kyprianoy sto Beligradi, ayto shmainei oti exei epiteyxqei symfwnia kai gi ayto qa fygoyn;

REPPAS: Ola ayta einai askhseis ergasias. Nomizw oti prepei na meinoyme, epeidh einai sobaro to qema, sta dedomena, sta stoixeia poy gnwrizoyme kai na miloyme ma bash ta stoixeia ayta. Otan metabei o k. Kyprianoy kai syzhthsei me Gioygkoslaboys ajiwmatoyxoys, mazi me emas qa gnwrizete ki eseis poia qa einai h tyxh ths apostolhs ayths.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: O k. Kranidiwths stis epafes poy exei kanei apo xqes, asxoleitai me ayto to qema;

REPPAS: O k. Kranidiwths asxolhqhke me thn organwsh ths apostolhs, thn ejasfalish twn meswn prokeimenoy na metabei o k. Kyprianoy sto Beligradi.

FILHS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh kai xqes kai shmera periorizetai se mia aysthrws plhroforiakoy xarakthra stash kai se enan aysthrws diadikastikoy xarakthra rolo gia thn prwtoboylia ayth. Mas lete, "sas eipan oti... ", "plhroforhqhkate oti... ". H erwthsh einai, yparxei politiko sxolio;

REPPAS: H prwtoboylia einai apolytws qetikh. Th xairetizoyme me ikanopoihsh kai ekfrazoyme thn elpida na stefqei me epityxia.

FILHS: Giati h Gioygkoslabia den aneqese sthn Aqhna ayth thn prwtoboylia;

REPPAS: Epeidh akribws h hgesia ths Gioygkoslabias epikoinwnhse me ton k. Kyprianoy kai qewrhse oti eprepe na synennohqei mazi toy, prokeimenoy na toy paradwsei toys treis kratoymenoys stratiwtes.

FILHS: Meta apo ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos sto teleytaio toy diaggelma, oti den einai wra gia prwtoboylies, mhpws diaceydetai molis dyo hmeres meta;

REPPAS: Kanete megalo laqos. Emeis exoyme, kat` epanalhch, dhlwsei to endiaferon mas na laboyme meros se opoiadhpote prwtoboylia, h opoia qa symballei sthn anazhthsh politikhs lyshs sto problhma poy exei prokycei.

FILHS: Sas problhmatizei oti to Beligradi, poy exei paradosiakoy typoy sxeseis me thn Aqhna tosa xronia, den epilegei thn Aqhna gi` ayth thn prwtoboylia, alla allh xwra;

REPPAS: Kaqoloy den mas problhmatizei, doqentos oti kai me thn Kypro exei poly kales sxeseis h Gioygkoslabia. Mhn jexnate oti zhthse apo thn Kypro na thn ekproswpei sth Bretania, opws zhthse kai apo thn Ellada na thn ekproswpei se alles xwres. Mhn jexnate oti gia polla xronia, mia palaioterh periodo, ta dyo krath anhkan mazi sto xwro twn Adesmeytwn. Ara, loipon, epeidh h Kypros einai kai mia xwra poy den anhkei sto NATO kai exei poly kales sxeseis me th Gioygkoslabia, h hgesia ths Gioygkoslabias ekane ayth thn epilogh. Emeis elpizoyme na stefqei me epityxia h apostolh poy anelabe o k. Kyprianoy.

FILHS: Mhpws qewreite oti ayth h epilogh toy Beligradioy, na epikoinwnhsei me th Leykwsia, parakamptontas thn Aqhna, einai ena mhnyma pros thn Aqhna gia thn teleytaia symmorfwsh ths stis natoikes ypodeijeis;

REPPAS: Otan milate gia thn Aqhna, asfalws ennoeite thn Ellada.

FILHS: Thn ellhnikh kybernhsh ennow.

REPPAS: Thn ellhnikh kybernhsh monon; Giati gnwrizete oti molis proxqes breqhke sto Beligradi o k. Kwnstantopoylos -mporoysan na anaqesoyn se ayton thn apostolh kai den to ekanan- o opoios xairethse toys sygkentrwmenoys Gioygkoslaboys. Ayth einai h epilogh ths gioygkoslabikhs hgesias. Den egine kamia parakamch ths Aqhnas. H Aqhna, h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei labei safh qesh kai einai toso safhs h qesh mas, wste den afhnei periqwria parermhneiwn. Opoiadhpote prwtoboylia, opoiadhpote kinhsh bohqa sthn antimetwpish kai ton termatismo ths krishs mas briskei symfwnoys.

FILHS: Arkei na thn pairnoyn alloi.

REPPAS: Oxi, k, Filh. Kai eimai apolytos, dedomenoy oti emeis exoyme analabei sxetikes prwtoboylies kai bebaiws den blepoyme me xairekakia prwtoboylies poy analambanoyn alloi. Blepoyme, omws, me kapoia qymhdia -kai prepei na pw, oxi mono emeis- prwtoboylies poy analambanoyn diaforoi, mono kai mono gia na akoystei "o qorybos toy pyrobolismoy" kai oxi gia na petyxoyn kapoio stoxo. Ayto, bebaiws, einai epishs kati poy prepei na sxoliazetai.

BITALHS: Sto qema me ton k. Kyprianoy: Logika exete mia stoixeiwdh enhmerwsh gia tis kinhseis toy k. Kyprianoy, afoy qa toy paraxwrhqei apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh ena C-130. Qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: Xqes, to NATO epishmws aperrice mia proypoqesh poy eixe qesei o k. Kyprianoy, dhladh na yparjei mia stoixeiwdhs ekexeiria mexri na oloklhrwqei h apeleyqerwsh twn triwn anqrwpwn kai h metafora toys se edafos ektos Gioygkoslabias. Ejakoloyqei shmera na isxyei ayth h proypoqesh toy k. Kyprianoy;

REPPAS: Na rwthsete ton k. Kyprianoy. O k. Kyprianoy -ej oswn gnwrizw, to eipa kai prin, einai se epikoinwnia me tis gioygkoslabikes arxes. Anamenei thn egkrish toys, prokeimenoy na metabei sto Beligradi. S` ayto to shmeio eimaste twra.

MAYRIDHS: Xqes to prwi o k. Kyprianoy, feygontas apo th Leykwsia, edwse kapoia synenteyjh sto CNN kai eipe oti paei na paralabei toys treis aixmalwtoys kai jafnika ftanei sto aerodromio kai paramenei sthn Aqhna. Mhpws gnwrizete ti allaje; Ypotiqetai oti eixan prohghqei synennohseis kai emeine telika sthn Aqhna;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw kati allo. Emeis toy ejasfalisame to meso gia na metabei sto Beligradi. O idios o k. Kyprianoy exei epikoinwnia me tis gioygkoslabikes arxes kai apo koinoy qa apofasisoyn ta sxetika me th metabash toy sto Beligradi. Den yparxei opoiosdhpote allos parembainwn se ayth thn ypoqesh, sth fash poy eimaste twra.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Otan hrqe o k. Kyprianoy apo thn Kypro, ekane kapoies dhlwseis sto aerodromio kai eipe oti briskotan diarkws se epafh me th gioygkoslabikh hgesia. Ftanontas edw, se kapoies dhlwseis toy, eipe oti den eixe opoiadhpote epafh me th gioygkoslabikh hgesia. Otan rwthqhke apo poy kineitai h prwtoboylia ayth, eipe oti yphrjan epafes me to Beligradi, mesw politikwn mh kybernhtikwn paragontwn. Exete kapoio sxolio ep` aytoy;

REPPAS: Kanena apolytws sxolio.

DHMAKAS: Jerete an mesolabhse kati apo tis 11.30 poy eidopoihqhke to Ypoyrgeio Amynas na steilei eyspesmena aeroplano sto Ellhniko gia na metaferei ton k. Kyprianoy, mexri twra, opoy apo to periballon toy k. Kyprianoy dhlwnoyn oti exoyn agnoia ayths ths kinhsews; Ti exei mesolabhsei;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw ti exei mesolabhsei. Ayto poy gnwrizw einai oti edw kai arketh wra einai sth diaqesh toy k. Kyprianoy ena aeroplano C-130, prokeimenoy na ton metaferei sto Beligradi. O k. Kyprianoy exei epikoinwnia me th Gioygkoslabia. H metabash toy ekei einai qema sto opoio den exei emplakei h ellhnikh kybernhsh me allo tropo.

KONTOPOYLOS: Ekane kapoio sxolio o k. Mperns, gia thn prwtoboylia ayth toy k. Kyprianoy; Ti qesh phre;

REPPAS: Syzhthsame arketa ayto to qema. Sas eipa oti, apo th stigmh poy analhfqhke h apostolh ayth apo ton k. Kyprianoy, oloi eyxomaste kai elpizoyme na stefqei me epityxia. Den yparxei kapoios, oyte o k. Mperns poly perissotero, o opoios prosdoka na mhn paei kala ayth h apostolh.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Xqes ki eseis legate oti yparxei synennohsh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs me ton k. Kyprianoy. Shmera, ap' osa lete, katalabainoyme oti den exete epikoinwnia.

REPPAS: Kanete megalo laqos. Kai xqes epikoinwnhse o k. Kyprianoy me thn ellhnikh kybernhsh -enhmerwqhke h ellhnikh kybernhsh gia tis epikoinwnies poy eixe- kai shmera. Sas lew oti toy diaqesame ayto to metaforiko meso kai eimaste diateqeimenoi na toy prosferoyme oti allo xreiastei, prokeimenoy na oloklhrwsei thn apostolh toy.

KANELLOPOYLOS: H synennohsh kai h epafh poy eixate periorizotan mono sthn paraxwrhsh metaforikoy mesoy; O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn eipe alla pragmata. Milhse gia koinh prwtoboylia.

REPPAS: Egine, asfalws, kai syzhthsh gia to periexomeno ayths ths apostolhs. Sas eipa oti thn apostolh thn anelabe o k. Kyprianoy meta apo synennohsh toy me tis arxes ths Gioygkoslabias.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Anemeixqhsan tritoi, kyrie Ypoyrge, s` ayto;

REPPAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh, pantws, den exei kapoia allh anameijh s` ayth th fash. An exoyn anameixqei kapoioi alloi, den to gnwrizw.

EYSTAQIOY: Mhpws, epeidh ta Skopia exoyn zhthsei thn entajh toys sto NATO, qewrwntas oti etsi diasfalizetai h edafikh akeraiothta toy geitonikoy kratoys kai epeidh o k. Papandreoy metebh xqes sthn Prwhn Gioygkoslabikh Dhmokratia ths Makedonias, exoyme tipota neotero gia to qema ths onomasias; Dhladh, mhpws paroysiazetai jafnika mesa se ola ta alla gegonota mia monadikh eykairia na lyqei to qema toy onomatos;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se sxetikh erwthsh proxqes. Qa meinw se ayth th qesh. To qema ayto antimetwpizetai sto plaisio toy OHE. Asfalws, h stash ths xwras mas kai h anagkh poy odhghse to kratos twn Skopiwn na breqei se mia symporeysh me thn Ellada apo thn opoia dexetai mia poly shmantikh bohqeia, dhmioyrgei ena poly kalytero klima, wste kai h allh pleyra na katanohsei pws prepei, epiteloys, na antimetwpistei me epityxia ayth h ekkremothta, poy afora thn onomasia toy.

EYSTAQIOY: Yparxei periptwsh na mpoyn se opoiodhpote organismo kai idiaitera sto NATO, xwris na exei lyqei to qema ths onomasias;

REPPAS: Den nomizw sthn "atzenta" toy NATO na problepetai dieyrynsh, metajy twn allwn kai gia to kratos twn Skopiwn ayth thn periodo h sthn amesws epomenh fash. Einai kati poy den yfistatai ws qema.

BITSENTZOY: Se sxesh me tis xqesines dhlwseis toy Bretanoy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, poy eipe oti h oikogeneia toy Milosebits brisketai sthn Ellada, opws kai arketa perioysiaka stoixeia, qelw na sas rwthsw oxi an h oikogeneia toy brisketai edw h exei perioysiaka stoixeia, alla an qa htan apagoreymeno na brisketai h oikogeneia toy edw kai na diathrei trapezikoys logariasmoys kai akinhta.

REPPAS: Sthn Ellada, opws kai stis alles dhmokratikes xwres, opoiosdhpote poliths allogenhs, alloeqnhs, efoson kineitai symfwna me toys nomoys, mporei na zei kai na drasthriopoieitai, opws kai oi Ellhnes polites. Den yparxoyn tetoioy eidoys diakriseis. Yparxoyn kanones oi opoioi prepei na ginontai sebastoi apo oloys. Kai efoson ginontai sebastoi, den dhmioyrgeitai kanena problhma.

PODHMATA: Sxetika me ayth thn protash ths Germanikhs Proedrias, sthn opoia anaferqhkate, oti ypoblhqhke sthn Omada...

REPPAS:... sthn Omada Epafhs, xqes. Kai shmera enhmerwse gia thn protash ayth h Germanikh Proedria toys ypoyrgoys Ejwterikwn, sto plaisio toy Symboylioy Genikwn Ypoqesewn

PODHMATA: Gnwrizoyme poia qa einai h synexeia ths; Dhladh, h Germania zhtaei apo to Symboylio Ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn ths E. E. na syntaxqoyn pisw apo ayth thn protash;

REPPAS: Qetei ayto to qema. Sas dhlwsa poia qesh pairnoyme emeis. Sthrizoyme ayth thn eishghsh, giati qewroyme oti exei qetika stoixeia, ta opoia mporei na ajiopoihqoyn kai na apotelesoyn th bash gia lysh sto problhma. Elpizw kai alles xwres ths E. E. na laboyn analoges qeseis.

SEtSOBA: Exei oristei to ycos ths anqrwpistikhs bohqeias ths kybernhshs pros th Gioygkoslabia kai an nai, poso einai;

REPPAS: Leptomereies den gnwrizw gia thn anqrwpistikh bohqeia poy prowqeitai jexwrista se opoiondhpote apo toys proorismoys, eite ta stoixeia aforoyn xrhmatika posa, eite sygkekrimeno ariqmo eidwn. Apo thn arxh, omws, exoyme pei -kai to epanalambanw me kathgorhmatiko tropo- oti anqrwpistikh bohqeia kateyqynetai se oloys toys proorismoys, opoy yparxoyn qymata, opoy yparxoyn polites poy exoyn anagkh. Kai sth Gioygkoslabia prowqeitai iatrofarmakeytiko yliko.

SEtSOBA: Nai, alla gia alla merh exoyme leptomereies, gia th Gioygkoslabia den exoyme.

REPPAS: Kai gia ta alla merh den exete akribeis leptomereies. Einai kati to opoio qa zhthsw apo tis armodies yphresies. Exoyn kapoio pinaka, qa ton exete ki eseis. Giati, pragmati, h anqrwpistikh bohqeia poy exei doqei aytes tis hmeres apo thn Ellada, einai se tetoio ycos...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sth Gioygkoslabia;

REPPAS: Milw gia to synolo ths anqrwpistikhs bohqeias. Giati etsi mporei na ektimhqei to megeqos ths bohqeias kai na sygkriqei me th bohqeia poy exei prosferqei apo alles xwres, gia na fanei poia pragmatika einai h emprakth antapokrish ths Elladas kai oxi h yposthrijh mono dia logwn.

SOYRMELH: To prwto erwthma einai: Ti allaje apo xqes kai apo aeroplano ths Olympiakhs 737 poy perimene ton k. Kyprianoy egine stratiwtiko C-130; To deytero: Gi` ayth th megalh bohqeia, qa sas parakaloysa mazi me tis apanthseis poy qa dwsete, an qa mporoysate na mas dwsete kai ton ariqmo se ekatommyria dolaria h draxmes ths synolikhs anqrwpistikhs bohqeias.

REPPAS: H synolikh anqrwpistikh bohqeia einai sxedon adynato na prosdioristei me tetoia akribeia poy zhtate, gia ton poly aplo logo oti sto programma ayto symmetexoyn kai idiwtikoi foreis. Den einai dynaton na apeyqynqeis se oloys toys idiwtes h stoys koinwnikoys foreis, prokeimenoy na soy dwsoyn me akribh stoixeia, th bohqeia poy exoyn prosferei.

SOYRMELH: H ellhnikh bohqeia.

REPPAS: Qa milhsoyme, loipon, me stoixeia, me ariqmoys poy exoyme ws kybernhsh sth diaqesh mas. Qa ta exete sth diaqesh sas ki eseis. Ayto einai sxetika eykolo kai prepei na ginei, parolon oti polla tetoia stoixeia exoyn doqei. Epanalambanw, omws, oti h bohqeia poy qa apotypwnetai sta stoixeia, ta opoia mporei na doqoyn sth dhmosiothta, qa ypoleipetai ths synolikhs anqrwpistikhs bohqeias, doqentos oti sto programma ayto symmetexoyn kai idiwtes kai koinwnikoi foreis.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Wstoso, emeis qa qelame na maqoyme. Giati allo einai to kratos kai allo oi polites.

REPPAS: Kanete megalo laqos. Prepei na sas pw oti to kratos apeyqynqhke se polites. Oi yphresies toy kratoys apeyqynontai kai se polites kai se idiwtikoys kai koinwnikoys foreis kai toys zhtoyn na syntrejoyn ayth thn prospaqeia. Bebaia, se arketes periptwseis oi koinwnikoi foreis monoi toys, me dikh toys prwtoboylia prosferoyn ayth thn anqrwpistikh bohqeia. H syllogh twn stoixeiwn einai kati to opoio qa afora th bohqeia poy mporei na elegxqei oti exei doqei apo to kratos h mesw twn kentrwn poy exei organwsei to kratos. H bohqeia poy dinei h Ekklhsia, h bohqeia poy dinoyn alloi koinwnikoi foreis, kyriws apo th Boreia Ellada, h bohqeia poy dinetai apo sxoleia einai kati poy den mporei na apotypwqei me sygkekrimena leptomerh stoixeia ayth thn wra.

SOYRMELH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, den qeloyme na mas peite posa ekatommyria...

REPPAS: Katalaba ti qelete.

SOYRMELH: Kai to allo erwthma gia to aeroplano;

REPPAS: Kriqhke oti h metabash sto Beligradi einai kalytera na ginei me ena aeroplano C-130. Den yparxei kati to mysthriwdes poy prepei na anazhtoyme pisw apo ayth thn allagh.

FILHS: Se epipedo Elladas kai se epipedo NATO, poia organa qa laboyn thn apofash, an teqei tetoio qema, gia th xersaia epiqesh toy NATO;

REPPAS: Den exei teqei tetoio qema. Den to exei qesei kaneis. Elpizoyme na mhn teqei. Einai poly prowro, loipon, na syzhtoyme gia kati poy epishmws den exei apasxolhsei kanenan ayth thn wra, eite sto plaisio to NATO, eite sto plaisio allwn dieqnwn organismwn.

FILHS: Qesmika ti problepetai;

REPPAS: Eimai safhs. Tetoio qema den exei teqei. Den exoyme kanena logo na to syzhtoyme. Eimaste ej ekeinwn, oi opoioi exoyme pei oti den qa laboyme meros me xersaies dynameis, se mia endexomenh anaptyjh stratiwtikwn epixeirhsewn me xrhsimopoihsh xersaiwn dynamewn. Apeyxomaste mia tetoia ejelijh. Ayth thn wra kalo einai na mhn to syzhtoyme kan. Den syzhtoyme edw se akadhmaiko epipedo.

FILHS: H syntetagmenh ellhnikh politeia kai to NATO me bash ton kanonismo toy se poio epipedo problepetai na labei apofash gia xersaia epiqesh; O Prwqypoyrgos, to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, oi monimoi presbeis, oi antiproswpoi sto NATO;

REPPAS: Gia thn Ellada, gia tis epiloges ths xwras mas tis apofaseis pairnei h kybernhsh, ta kybernhtika organa. Epanalambanw, omws, kai epimenw -kai parakalw eseis na mhn epimenete, na mhn to qetete san na einai kati to opoio brisketai pro twn pylwn mas- oti den tiqetai tetoio qema. Mporei na exoyn diatypwqei diafores skeceis, alla epishma tetoio qema den exei teqei. Gnwrizete oti th Deytera ginetai ayth h atyph synedriash twn Ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn toy NATO. Parakalw na anamenoyme th syzhthsh poy qa ginei. Ekei isws -piqanologw- akoystei, gia prwth fora, kai mia tetoia skech. Para to oti -opws sas eipa- einai atyph h Synodos kai den prokeitai na lhfqoyn apofaseis, as thn anamenoyme. Alla, afoy oyte enocei ths atyphs Synodoy den exei diatypwqei akomh tetoia skech, giati na th syzhtoyme emeis edw.

FILHS: Se sxesh me thn Ellada, eipate qa apofasisei h kybernhsh. Dhladh, qa synelqei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio gi` ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti eiste poly epimonos sto na maqete kati to opoio den exei kamia praktikh ajia. H kybernhsh lambanei tis apofaseis me tis dikes ths diadikasies.

FILHS: Poies diadikasies;

REPPAS: Katanoeite poly kala. Einai eyqynh thn opoia, efoson prokycei ek twn pragmatwn, qa analabei h kybernhsh. Poio organo qa apofasisei, se mia tetoia periptwsh, einai kati to opoio ayth thn wra den eimai se qesh na sas pw. Den mporw na sas milhsw epi qematos to opoio den exei teqei kai den apasxolei kamia kybernhsh. Eseis kaleite na apasxolhqei h ellhnikh kybernhsh ayth thn wra, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisei ena qema poy den exei qesei kaneis. Ayto moy lete.

FILHS: Egw sas lew an exete diadikasies syntetagmenes.

REPPAS: Exoyme diadikasies s` ayth th xwra. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h kybernhsh lambanei apofaseis se synedriaseis toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy kai allwn kybernhtikwn organwn -opws einai h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, to KYSEA- ta opoia sygkaloyntai analoga me ta qemata poy antimetwpizoyme.

FILHS: Sto NATO gnwrizete poios qa parei thn apofash, an parqei;

REPPAS: Gnwrizw oti den exei teqei tetoio qema sto NATO. Kai elpizw na mhn teqei.

FILHS: Poy problepetai, se poio epipedo qa teqei h apofash;

REPPAS: Tetoio qema den exei teqei. An teqei, qa to antimetwpisoyme me ton kalytero tropo, prokeimenoy na perifroyrhsoyme ta eqnika symferonta mas. Sas parakalw -kai to lew ayto me lyph- prosferete kakh yphresia, epeidh synthreite me tis epanalambanomenes erwthseis sas, mia syzhthsh peri thn anaptyjh xersaiwn dynamewn, oson afora thn krish sto Kossobo. Prosferete kakh yphresia. Tetoio qema den exei teqei. Oydeis epiqymei sthn Ellada mia tetoia ejelijh. Kai eseis bebaia. Eimai apolyta sigoyros gi` ayto. Kai aporw giati epimenete me synexeis erwthseis na synthreite ayth th syzhthsh.

FILHS: Dioti kybernhtikoi paragontes dinoyn diistamenes kai antifatikes plhrofories gyrw apo ayta ta qemata kai qelw mia kaqarh apanthsh.

REPPAS: Yparxei kybernhtikos paragwn -kai qelw na eiste safhs- o opoios eipe oti briskomaste pro toy endexomenoy anaptyjhs polemikwn epixeirhsewn me th xrhsimopoihsh xersaiwn dynamewn; Den tiqetai tetoio qema.

FILHS: Yparxei kybernhtikos paragontas, diabasame kai se efhmerides kai den diaceysthke, anwtatos malista, o opoios eipe oti to qema mias tetoias apeyktaias apofashs (poy den eimaste pro twn pylwn na lhfqei ayth h apofash)prepei na lhfqei apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio se synedriash toy. Isxyei h oxi ayto;

REPPAS: Prwton, ayto poy eipwqhke, apo poion; Giati, bebaiws, an moy lete oti ayta poy dhmosieyontai stis efhmerides, epeidh den diaceydontai, shmainei oti isxyoyn, einai ena apo ta polla anekdota poy kykloforoyn sthn Ellada. Alimono, an oti dhmosieyetai kai den diaceydetai, prepei na qewreitai alhqes. Mh ftanoyme s` ayton ton tragelafo peri toy ti esti epikoinwnia kai enhmerwsh. Deyteron, syzhtame edw, exete qesei erwthseis, exete parei apanthseis apo ton Ekproswpo ths kybernhshs. Aytes einai oi qeseis ths kybernhshs. Den jerw se ti anafereste eseis, alla epanalambanw oti prosferete kakh yphresia, otan epimenete na epanalambanete tis erwthseis aytes. Tetoio qema den exei teqei. Kai parakalw ayth thn wra na mhn to qetete me ayton ton epimono tropo.

FILHS: Eseis prosferete kakh yphresia sthn enhmerwsh, otan metaballeste se eisaggelea twn dhmosiografwn..

REPPAS: Oxi mono den eimai eisaggeleas, alla eimai "siderodesmios" twn dhmosiografwn, otan oi dhmosiografoi ferontai opws eseis shmera. Eimai enas aixmalwtos twn dhmosiografwn, ths dikhs sas nootropias kai symperiforas kyrie Filh! Kai eiste kai filos. Eimai, bebaiws, eqelontika aixmalwtos sas. Den eimai para th qelhsh moy. Apo kei kai pera omws, den antilambanomai giati ayth h epimonh. Den exei teqei tetoio qema. Teleia kai payla.

FILHS: Gia logoys enhmerwshs.

REPPAS: Poia enhmerwsh qelete, peran twn oswn pollwn sas eipa; Gnwrizw oti polloi ajiwmatoyxoi pollwn kybernhsewn, isa-isa, exoyn labei arnhtikh qesh se ena tetoio endexomeno.

Kalh Anastash. Kalo Pasxa.

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