Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-01-19

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 19 Ianoyarioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Eimai sth diaqesh sas gia erwthseis.

SOYGLERHS: Xqes, h ka Dhmhtra Lianh se dhlwseis ths afhse na ennohqei oti pisw apo th diwjh ths gia to qema ths bilas yparxoyn politikes skopimothtes. Qa hqela to sxolio ths kybernhshs.

REPPAS: Prokeitai gia mia eisaggelikh prwtoboylia thn opoia h kybernhsh plhroforhqhke, opws kai oloi oi alloi, apo ta MME. Mporw na epanalabw genika oti ta qemata ayta, poy aforoyn prwtoboylies dikastikwn organwn, ta antimetwpizoyme me idiaiterh leptothta kai eyaisqhsia. To antilambaneste oloi, pws etsi prepei na symperiferomaste apenanti sth leitoyrgia ths Dikaiosynhs kai twn Organwn ths.

Mporw, bebaiws, na pw oti h enasxolhsh me qemata poy eqewreito oti exoyn kleisei, den symballei sthn omalh politikh ejelijh. Kai bebaiws, mias kai empleketai kai to onoma toy Andrea Papandreoy, mporw na pw kathgorhmatika oti tipota den mporei na skiasei thn proswpikothta toy Andrea Papandreoy. Allwste, gia to hqos toy Andrea Papandreoy exoyn milhsei qetika akomh ki ekeinoi poy pote den ton chfisan, akomh kai oi exqroi toy. Gi` ayto akribws, qa prepei kaqe qema na antimetwpizetai sth swsth diastash toy gia na mhn odhgoymaste sthn ejagwgh lanqasmenwn symperasmatwn.

SOYGLERHS: Dhladh, an katalabainw kala, den exei politikes proektaseis to qema. Menoyme mono sto poiniko, symfwna m` ayta poy lete.

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti einai mia prwtoboylia enos Organoy ths Dikaiosynhs. Ayth thn idia thn prwtoboylia den mporw na th sxoliasw, den epitrepetai na kanw kati tetoio. Apo ekei kai pera, asfalws ayto to opoio einai hdh se ejelijh afora eisaggelikh prwtoboylia kai den exei opoiadhpote sxesh me politika zhthmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, lete oti den jerei tipota h kybernhsh. Den perase tropologia apo th Boylh h kybernhsh gia to adikhma ayto;

REPPAS: Se poia tropologia anafereste;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Perase ena brady mia tropologia poy to adikhma ayto yphrje periptwsh paragrafhs toy kai perase tropologia gia na mhn paragrafei. Den to gnwrize, dhladh, h kybernhsh; Ti mas lete twra; Afoy perase tropologia apo th Boylh.

REPPAS: O tropos me ton opoio qetete tis erwthseis sas einai aprephs kai ginetai aytokatastrofikos gia sas otan qetete erwthseis, to periexomeno twn opoiwn den exei kamia sxesh m` ayto poy eseis exete sto myalo sas. H diatajh sthn opoia anafereste, den einai tipota allo, para mia ryqmish poy ginetai sxedon kaqe xrono. Idiaitera eprepe na ginei ayth h tropologia, epeidh akribws katarghqhke twra h Eforia Kefalaioy poy leitoyrgoyse sto nomo Attikhs kai to antikeimeno ths, thn ylh ths, thn exoyn analabei pleon oi yphresies Eforiwn poy leitoyrgoyn se olh th xwra kai sthn Attikh. To qema ayto afora tis forologikes ekkremothtes apo th metabibash akinhtwn. Den exei opoiadhpote sxesh me th sygkekrimenh ypoqesh. Proekyce ws anagkh afenos meta thn katarghsh ths sygkekrimenhs Eforias Kefalaioy kai afeteroy prokeitai gia mia ryqmish h opoia den ginetai gia prwth fora, afora paratash gia eji mhnes, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn apo tis Yphresies ekkremh zhthmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kaqe xrono pernaei ayto, eipate;

REPPAS: Einai kati to opoio den ginetai gia prwth fora.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ginetai gia kaqe xrono;

REPPAS: Gia prwth fora twra katarghqhke h Eforia Kefalaioy kai to antikeimeno ths to anelaban oi alles Efories. Eprepe na dieykolynqoyn, loipon, sto ergo toys. Parakalw, omws, na eiste poly sygkekrimenoi otan qetete erwthseis kai pantws na tis diatypwnete me diaforetiko yfos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egrafh tote poy perase h tropologia kai den to dieceyse kanenas apo thn kybernhsh.

REPPAS: Ayta poy grafete eseis kaqe mera...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den to egraca mono egw, to egracan polloi.

REPPAS:... an qa eprepe na diaceystoyn, den qa eprepe na kanoyme tipote allo. Egw toylaxiston den qa eprepe na kanw tipote allo, para mono na diaceydw ayta ta opoia grafete. Antilambaneste pws den to qewrw kai poly xrhsimo gia ton topo, alla kai gia ton eayto moy, to na epidoqw se ena tetoio ergo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti tipota den mporei na skiasei to onoma toy Andrea Papandreoy. Otan parapempetai twra h ka Papandreoy gia apath, opws anaferetai sxetika, thn opoia eixe kanei mazi me ton Andrea Papandreoy, den skiazetai to onoma toy;

REPPAS: Gia ola ayta exei apanthsei kai h Istoria kai h Dikaiosynh. Gnwrizw poio einai to paqos poy sas kanei na milate kai eseis kai kapoioi alloi gia ton Andrea Papandreoy. Omws, den katanow kai den anagnwrizw to dikaiwma se opoiondhpote na milaei me enan tetoio tropo gia enan politiko poy exei gracei istoria, poy den zei, wste me th dikh toy zwntanh glwssa, pia, na parembei sta pragmata. Oloi emeis poy gnwrizoyme pws exoyn ta pragmata, exoyme thn elaxisth ypoxrewsh na yperaspistoyme thn timh kai th mnhmh toy Andrea Papandreoy. Ayth einai h apanthsh moy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi kapoioi, mporeite na moy peite poioi einai;

REPPAS: Allh erwthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To '85 mhpws to qymaste;

REPPAS: Ti egine to 1985 k. Stamatopoyle; Peite parakalw. Qeste mia erwthsh, an qelete mia apanthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi kapoioi, mporeite na moy peite poioi einai;

REPPAS: Ara, den qelete apanthsh.

DHMAKAS: Eipate oti h enasxolhsh me qemata poy qewreitai oti exoyn kleisei den symballei sthn omalh ejelijh... Skefteste na kanete kati, wste h kybernhsh na symbalei -me politiko tropo ennow- wste ayth h ypoqesh na mhn ejelixqei arnhtika;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh den empleketai sto ergo ths Dikaiosynhs. H Dikaiosynh leitoyrgei aytonoma. Den dianoeitai h kybernhsh oti mporei na exei emplokh stis drasthriothtes twn dikastikwn organwn.

DHMAKAS: Oyte politikh kinhsh;

REPPAS: H qesh moy einai poly safhs.

KIAOS: Sto idio akribws qema. Se poioys anafereste, otan lete "me thn enasxolhsh". Poioi asxoloyntai me qemata poy den...

REPPAS: Emeis den asxoloymaste twra; Giati caxnete pera apo ayto to xwro poy einai poly kontinos kai oikeios s` emas;

KIAOS: Qewreite oti me tis erwthseis poy sas ypobaloyme, oti asxoloymaste; Erwthseis einai. H apanthsh einai enasxolhsh.

REPPAS: H apanthsh moy htan safhs. Emeis den prokeitai na proxwrhsoyme se peraiterw enasxolhsh -an qelete na epanelqw s` ayth th lejh- oson afora to sygkekrimeno qema. Giati qewroyme oti den exoyme, pleon, na prosqesoyme tipote qetiko.

KIAOS: As epimeinw. Poioi asxoloyntai; Ayto sas rwtw.

REPPAS: P. x., twra asxoleiste eseis. Qewreite oti einai poly shmantiko qema. Emeis den qewroyme oti einai qema toy opoioy h syzhthsh odhgei se kapoies qetikes yphresies.

MOYRTZHS: Panw sth dikh sas anafora mia erwthsh, peri ths enasxolhshs me qemata poy qewreitai oti den exoyn symbalei sthn omalh politikh ejelijh. Poia qemata exoyn kleisei gia sas; Dhladh, exei kleisei h ypoqesh ths bilas;

REPPAS: Apanthsa s` ayto to qema kai hmoyn safhs.

MOYRTZHS: Oxi, den apanthsate.

REPPAS: Den qa syzhthsoyme epi ths oysias ths mia ypoqesh, giati afenos exei analhfqei eisaggelikh prwtoboylia kai afeteroy giati exoyme pei tis qeseis mas epikaira kai egkaira, ws kybernhsh, ws komma, ws stelexh. Ara, loipon, ayth thn wra den yparxei tipota to opoio na dikaiologei thn emmonh sas se mia syzhthsh gia to qema ayto.

MOYRTZHS: Egw mexri stigmhs den exw katalabei poioys eixe apodektes h dhlwsh sas kai thn epanalambanw: "h enasxolhsh me qemata poy qewroyntai oti exoyn kleisei, den symballei sthn omalh politikh ejelijh". Ayto den to exw katalabei.

REPPAS: Einai mia genikh qesh kai mia genikh qesh afora toys pantes.

MOYRTZHS: Kai toys dikastikoys kai th Dikaiosynh;

REPPAS: Gia to ergo twn dikastikwn milhsa kai hmoyn para poly safhs kai sygkekrimenos, wste na mh dikaiologeitai h yparjh opoiasdhpote aporias.

MIXAHL: Ti kainoyrgio prokyptei apo th synanthsh toy k. Shmith me ton k. Arsenh;

REPPAS: Tipota kainoyrgio. O k. Arsenhs enhmerwse ton Prwqypoyrgo me leptomereies gia thn katastash poy exei diamorfwqei sto xwro ths Paideias. Eixan apofasisei na kanoyn th syzhthsh ayth, apo thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, otan synergasthkan kai pali sto plaisio ths syzhthshs poy egine sth Boylh. Logiko einai, otan exei ekdhlwqei ayth h krish sto xwro ths Paideias, o Prwqypoyrgos kai o armodios Ypoyrgos na syzhtoyn ta sxetika qemata.

MIXAHL: Gia na katalabw kati. Edw exoyme mia pragmatikothta h opoia anti na amblynetai, ojynetai. Dhladh, synexizontai ta mploka kai oi katalhceis. Eseis paradexqhkate xqes oti sthn Attikh to problhma einai pio entono. Oi kaqhghtes prokhryssoyn 24wres apergies, syllalhthria organwnontai. Tipota, loipon, den prokyptei apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs gia na ektonwqei ayth h katastash, pera apo to oti aytoi oi sygkekrimenoi diamartyrontai h mh, h kybernhsh pleon ti kanei; Perimenei na ojynqei olh ayth h antidrash; Ti perimenete eseis; Ti nomizete oti prepei na ginei;

REPPAS: Na anoijoyn ta sxoleia kai na arxisei o dialogos gia thn kalyterh dynath efarmogh twn metrwn, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsoyme stis beltiwseis, stis diorqwseis, opoy aytes einai aparaithtes, afoy sthn prajh dokimasoyme ti einai ayto to opoio pasxei. Kati gia to opoio polloi miloyn, xwris omws na mporoyn na to stoixeioqethsoyn, enw h kybernhsh exei sygkekrimenh protash kai exei analabei sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies. Kaloyme, loipon, thn ekpaideytikh koinothta, sto synolo ths, na epanelqei sta kaqhkonta ths.

MIXAHL: Tote an einai etsi opws lete, oti perimenete na anoijoyn ta sxoleia, ws dia mageias den prokeitai na anoijoyn. Dioti kalws h kakws -kakws kat` esas, kalws kata alloys- yparxei ayth h antidrash. Pws qa ektonwqei;

REPPAS: Me thn eyqynh, pisteyw, poy prepei na epideijoyn oi kaqhghtes kai oi maqhtes poy prepei na antapokriqoyn sta mhnymata twn kairwn gia ena sygxrono ekpaideytiko systhma. Ayto shmainei sthn prajh epanodo sta kaqhkonta toys, gia na leitoyrghsoyn kai pali omala kai amesws ta sxoleia.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes, otan mas anakoinwsate to ebdomadiaio programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, mas eipate gia thn episkech toy k. Liponen, gia mia synedriash kybernhtikoy organoy thn Paraskeyh, den mas anaferate omws gia synanthsh toy ypoyrgoy Paideias me ton Prwqypoyrgo, enw -opws eipate shmera- htan gnwsth apo thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, giati den anaferqhke;

REPPAS: Den sas anefera kai alles synanthseis, opws, gia paradeigma, th synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Kranidiwth. Einai kati to opoio synhqizetai. Den anaferomai se oles tis synanthseis h synergasies poy exei o Prwqypoyrgos me toys ypoyrgoys sth diarkeia mias ebdomadas. Ayto einai kanonas kai sas kalw na qymhqeite pws anakoinwnw to programma. Egw menw mono stis synedriaseis twn syllogikwn organwn, th drasthriothta toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Boylh kai tis synanthseis poy exei me jenoys hgetes.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Nai, alla, sigoyra exei mia idiaiterh shmasia mia tetoia synanthsh, etsi opws einai ta pragmata ton teleytaio kairo. Ean htan gnwsto, den qa eprepe na to jeroyme;

REPPAS: Den prepei na projenei kamia entypwsh. To oti synantatai o Prwqypoyrgos me ton ypoyrgo Paideias, enw eimaste sth mesh mia krishs sto xwro ths Paideias, einai kati apolytws fysiologiko.

GARGALAKOS: Yparxei mia fhmologia poy leei oti prokeimenoy na ektonwqei h katastash qa prepei, eite "na qysiastei", eite na paraithqei o k. Arsenhs. Poio einai to sxolio sas ep` aytoy;

REPPAS: Otan qysiazontan Ifigeneies gia na pneysei oyrios anemos hmastan sto xwro ths myqikhs istorias. Shmera, xreiazetai eyqynh, cyxraimia, wrimothta, xreiazontai ypeyqynes prwtoboylies kai prajeis. Pisteyw oti ayto einai poy prepei na ensternistoyn oi ekpaideytikoi kai oi maqhtes kai na epanelqoyn sta kaqhkonta toys. Ayto einai poy prepei na ginei.

ARGYROS: Zhthse o Prwqypoyrgos apo ton ypoyrgo Paideias na ginoyn kapoies ypoxwrhseis, wste na lyqei to adiejodo;

REPPAS: Den teqhke tetoio qema. Den tiqetai tetoio qema. H politikh poy efarmozei o ypoyrgos Paideias, einai h kybernhtikh politikh.

SOYRMELIDHS: Qa analabei kapoies proswpikes prwtoboylies h qa kanei kapoies epafes o Prwqypoyrgos, genikotera, gia to ekpaideytiko qema;

REPPAS: Den teqhke tetoio qema kata th syzhthsh poy eixan oi dyo politikoi.

KIAOS: Milhsate gia eyqynh maqhtwn kai kaqhghtwn. Efoson, kai oi maqhtes kai oi kaqhghtes emmenoyn, efoson synexizontai ta pragmata, poio einai to epomeno bhma poy qa kanei h kybernhsh; Dhladh, to adiejodo qa proxwrhsei ews ton Ioynio;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh pisteyei oti, kaqws h poreia twn katalhcewn ginetai fqinoysa -ki edw mporei oi ektimhseis na einai diaforetikes, alla h tash einai mia kai s' ayto symfwnoyn oles oi pleyres -poly syntoma, oi maqhtes kai oi kaqhghtes qa epanelqoyn sta kaqhkonta toys. Ayto einai poy prepei na ginei. Den yparxei allos dromos.

SOYGLERHS: Synanthsh twn kaqhghtwn, ths dioikhshs ths OLME, me ton Prwqypoyrgo, pote qa ginei kai an qa ginei; Giati maqainoyme oti exei stalei mia epistolh. Antapokrinetai o Prwqypoyrgos na synanthqei mazi toys;

REPPAS: Den exei teqei tetoio qema. Den exei stalei epistolh.

MEGGRELHS: Apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs den prokeitai na ginei kanena bhma gia na ektonwqei h katastash; Oti htan na kanei h kybernhsh to exei kanei;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se ola ayta kai hmoyn poly safhs.

MEGGRELHS: Dhladh, perimenei thn allh pleyra, na gyrisei sta sxoleia;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se ola ayta kai hmoyn para poly safhs. Exete me kaqe leptomereia ypoch sas tis qeseis ths kybernhshs gia to qema ayto.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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