Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-01-18

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 18 Ianoyarioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas, kalh ebdomada kai xronia polla stoys eortazontes.

* Shmera episkeptetai thn Ellada o Prwqypoyrgos ths Filandias k. Liponen. Synantatai me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Qa toy parateqei geyma kai qa ginoyn sxetikes dhlwseis. Gnwrizete oti h Filandia qa askhsei thn Proedria ths E. E. kata to b` ejamhno toy trexontos etoys.

* Gia thn ypoloiph ebdomada den exw na sas anaferw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy kati idiaitero. Sas lew kat` arxhn oti qa labei meros sthn "Wra toy Prwqypoyrgoy", meqayrio, Tetarth.

* Thn Paraskeyh qa synedriasei kybernhtiko organo. Gi` ayta ta qemata, omws, me leptomereies, qa epanelqw argotera shmera h ayrio.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

SOYRMELH: Qa hqela, sxetika me to Kossobo, ean exete kapoia antidrash gia th sfagh twn panw apo 45 amaxwn kai ean telika o k. Pagkalos qa episkefqei stis 8 kai 9 Febroyarioy, opws perilambanetai sto epishmo programma toy, thn perioxh, to Beligradi, thn Pristina k. lp.;

REPPAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh ekfrazei ton apotropiasmo ths gia th sfagh twn politwn. Tetoioy eidoys energeies den odhgoyn se kanena apotelesma, den bohqoyn na ektonwqei h krish. Pisteyoyme oti oloi apodokimazoyn kai katadikazoyn tetoies prajeis bias. Elpizoyme na entopistoyn, na syllhfqoyn oi ypaitioi ayths ths epiqeshs kai na toys apodoqoyn eyqynes. Pisteyoyme oti h lysh sthn krish sto Kossyfopedio qa prepei na anazhthqei sto plaisio poy exei symfwnhqei kai exei ekfrastei apo ta chfismata kai tis apofaseis toy Symboylioy Asfaleias. Fainetai pws oles oi pleyres - alloi perissotero, alloi ligotero- exoyn eyqynes gia th synthrhsh ayths ths katastashs. H Ellada parakoloyqei me endiaferon. Exei kanei, allwste, epoikodomhtikes protaseis gia to jeperasma ths krishs, se ayth thn perioxh. To programma toy Ypoyrgoy den exei oristikopoihqei. Ypo to fws twn ejelijewn qa apofasistei ean kai pws qa ginoyn aytes oi episkeceis.

SOYRMELH: Se poioys epirriptete eyqynes; Eipate "oloi". Oloi exoyn eyqynes;

REPPAS: Otan lew "oloi" den ejairw kanenan.

KIAOS: Anhsyxei perissotero apo to kanoniko, an mporw na to pw etsi, h kybernhsh me tis ejelijeis poy pairnoyn ta pragmata sth sygkekrimenh perioxh, me thn ennoia poy mporei na odhghqoyme;

REPPAS: Asfalws, anhsyxoyme. Einai mia estia poy anazwpyrwnetai. Nomizw oti dikaiologeitai kaqe eidoys anhsyxia, h opoia epiballei thn egrhgorsh ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas gia thn antimetwpish ths katastashs. H Ellada, h opoia exei apoch gia to pws prepei na antimetwpistoyn ta qemata poy exoyn prokycei, qa symbalei, sto metro toy dynatoy kai efoson ths zhthqei, wste o dieqnhs paragontas, me thn parembash toy, na odhghsei sthn ektonwsh ths krishs poy exei ekdhlwqei kai pali twra sto Kossyfopedio. Den exoyme apofasisei, oyte exoyme labei kapoia ektakta metra. Eimaste poly makria apo ena tetoio endexomeno. Apo thn allh, bebaiws, h epi poly kairo synthrhsh aytoy toy fainomenoy sthn perioxh mas den mporei para na exei arnhtikes synepeies genikotera. Gi` ayto epiqymoyme thn amesh antimetwpish toy, prokeimenoy na ektonwqei h krish kai na epanelqei h omalothta sthn perioxh.

KIAOS: Stis diaboyleyseis poy ginontai sto plaisio toy NATO, yparxei kati sygkekrimeno gia thn antidrash ths Symmaxias h allwn energeiwn;

REPPAS: O dieqnhs paragontas ekdhlwnei endiaferon, to opoio sthrizetai stis apofaseis toy Symboylioy Asfaleias. Ayto einai to plaisio epi toy opoioy prepei na sthrizetai kaqe prospaqeia gia anazhthsh lyshs. Den yparxei kati allo pio sygkekrimeno, kati allo neotero.

PAPAXRHSTOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Ypoyrgos Paideias apolambanei ths empistosynhs ths kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Apolytws.

PAPAXRHSTOS: Ayta poy grafontai, shmera, peri endexomenhs paraithshs, exoyn bash;

REPPAS: Molis, proxqes, h ellhnikh Boylh, sthn pleiochfia ths, edwse qetikh chfo ston k. Arsenh kai thn politikh toy Ypoyrgeioy Paideias, poy einai politikh ths Kybernhshs. Einai aytonohto pws apolambanei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths kybernhshs. Efarmozei thn kybernhtikh politikh. Ola osa legontai h grafontai den antapokrinontai sta pragmata. O k. Arsenhs einai Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn.

KIAOS: An, ayrio, paraithqei o k. Arsenhs, o Prwqypoyrgos qa kanei apodekth thn paraithsh toy;

REPPAS: Den exei ekdhlwqei opoiadhpote tetoia proqesh apo thn pleyra toy k. Arsenh. Den syzhtoyme epi ypoqesewn. Mporw na kanw ena sxolio mono oti o k. Arsenhs den exei kanena logo na epilejei ayth thn odo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Boylh, h kybernhtikh pleiochfia mallon, phre ayth thn apofash. Shmera exoyme nea epeisodia, nees katalhceis kai ekleisan pali oi dromoi. Ti qa kanei h kybernhsh; Prokeitai na kanei kapoio bhma; Exei apofasisei na kanei kapoio bhma h ayto qa synexizetai kaqe mera; Qa einai mpaxalo h Ellada kaqe mera;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas enhmerwsw, kat` arxhn oti o megalyteros ariqmos twn sxoleiwn leitoyrgei. Idiaitera sthn ellhnikh perifereia ta perissotera sxoleia leitoyrgoyn apo shmera omala. Se orismenes perioxes, opws sthn Patra, to Bolo h thn Kerkyra, paramenei enas shmantikos ariqmos sxoleiwn ypo katalhch kai den leitoyrgoyn. Alla, sto megalytero pososto toys, sthn ellhnikh eparxia, ta sxoleia leitoyrgoyn. Bebaiws, exoyme arketa sxoleia ypo katalhch sthn eyryterh perifereia ths Aqhnas. Pisteyoyme oti prepei na epideixqei eyqynh, ston ycisto baqmo, apo thn pleyra twn ekpaideytikwn kai twn maqhtwn, na epanelqoyn sta kaqhkonta toys, na leitoyrghsoyn kai pali omala ta sxoleia, prokeimenoy na syzhthqoyn qemata poy aforoyn thn artioterh dynath efarmogh ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. Ta epeisodia, sta opoia ki eseis anaferqhkate me thn erwthsh sas, pisteyw oti odhgoyn se ena skotadismo. Den einai tropos agwnistikhs kinhtopoihshs ayth h aparadekth stash, thn opoia ekdhlwnoyn para polloi, prokeimenoy na probaloyn ta qemata toys. Pisteyw oti qa epideixqei eyqynh, h wrimothta h opoia prepei na diakrinei toys foreis ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh qa metafrastei me epanodo toys sta ekpaideytika kaqhkonta toys, prokeimenoy na leitoyrghsoyn kai pali ta sxoleia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, lete oti einai aparadekta ayta ta opoia symbainoyn sta sxoleia, me tis katalhceis. Den einai aparadekth kai h stash ths kybernhshs;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh exei ypoxrewsh na efarmosei ena nomo, ton opoio chfise h ellhnikh Boylh. Aparadekto qa htan na mhn efarmozontai oi nomoi poy chfizontai. Ektos pia an miloyme gia katalysh toy kratoys dikaioy, pragma to opoio den nomizw oti sas briskei ki esas symfwnoys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To nomo ton chfise h kybernhtikh pleiochfia, oxi olh h Boylh.

REPPAS: Pantote, h kybernhsh sthrizetai se mia koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia, h opoia mporei na apoklhqei kai kybernhtikh pleiochfia. Ayto omws den odhgei sto symperasma poy krybetai sth dikh sas erwthsh, oti einai enoxh h einai meiwmenwn dikaiwmatwn h pleiochfia ayth, epeidh sthrizei mia kybernhsh. An den yparxei koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia poy na sthrizei thn kybernhsh, den mporei na sxhmatistei Kybernhsh gia na kybernhqei o topos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Chfisthke apo 51 apo toys 300. Etsi;

REPPAS: Den antilambanomai... "51 apo toys 300"; Apo thn pleiochfia ths Boylhs chfisthke.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, 51 chfisan tote...

REPPAS: Ti ennoeite;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ennow oti htan ena qesmiko nomosxedio to opoio chfisthke kalokairi kai chfisan 51 boyleytes.

REPPAS: Kai posoi katachfisan;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi ypoloipoi.

REPPAS: Posoi einai aytoi;

STAMATOPOYLOS: 49.

REPPAS: Ara, loipon, ti qelete na peite; Ayto an to pollaplasiasete epi tria, mias kai milate gia ena tmhma sth synqesh toy opoioy metexoyn 100 boyleytes, qa deite oti yparxei mia safhs pleiochfia, h opoia allwste epibebaiwqhke me thn chfoforia poy egine to perasmeno Sabbato sth Boylh. Mh menete, loipon, s' ayto to qema gia dhmioyrgia entypwsewn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti ennoei o Prwqypoyrgos otan leei, oti "an ayth h kybernhsh den anakopei sthn poreia ths"; Miloyse gia thn Paideia kai eipe kai ayto. Poion fobatai mhpws anakocei thn poreia ths;

REPPAS: Einai ena sxhma logoy, opoy dia ths ypoqesews dhlwnetai h dyskolia toy egxeirhmatos, mia kai oi metarryqmiseis sthn Ellada einai aparaithtes, synantoyn omws empodia kai antidraseis. Apo thn allh ekfrazetai h bebaiothta pws to 2000, thn wra dhladh twn eqnikwn eklogwn, qa exoyme epityxei oloys toys stoxoys, wste h Ellada na katastei isotimo me tis alles xwres melos ths E. E. Asfalws, yparxoyn empodia kai dyskolies kata thn askhsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Qa prepei omws, mias kai sto parelqon synanthsame analoga empodia kai dyskolies, na exete peistei kai eseis oti qa ta antimetwpisoyme, qa ta jeperasoyme kai qa ftasoyme ston teliko skopo mas, poy einai h dhmioyrgia mias isxyrhs Elladas. H kybernhsh den exei kanena fobo oti qa anakopei ayth h poreia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati to eipe tote, afoy den exei kanena fobo; Leei an h Kybernhsh ayth den anakopei sthn poreia ths, etsi leei.

REPPAS: Kai egw mporw na pw, k. Stamatopoyle...

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos to eipe.

REPPAS:... an moy qesete ena qema, oti ayrio qa syzhthsoyme kai pali, an eimai kala. Ayto einai mia ypoqesh, h opoia bebaiws exei th qesh ths ws sxhma logoy, alla antilambaneste pws den exei ayto to politiko baros to opoio eseis qelete na prosdwsete se mia frash poy metajy twn pollwn allwn o Prwqypoyrgos symperielabe sthn omilia toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den exei baros ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos; Malista.

REPPAS: Apo ayta poy eipa, ayto katalabate;

KARAGIANNH: Na epanelqw sto prohgoymeno qema ths Paideias: Protiqetai o Prwqypoyrgos na apanthsei qetika se aithma ths OLME gia synanthsh mazi toy;

REPPAS: Den exei diatypwqei pros ton Prwqypoyrgo tetoio aithma. Den exei stalei kapoia epistolh. Ta qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Paideias ta xeirizetai o Ypoyrgos Paideias. Gi' ayto, allwste, gia kaqe tomea yparxei kai o armodios ypoyrgos.

KARAGIANNH: Sthn periptwsh poy diatypwqei, o Prwqypoyrgos einai anoiktos gia mia synanthsh me th dioikhsh ths OLME;

REPPAS: Giati na kanoyme askhseis epi xartoy kai na miloyme mesw ypoqesewn; O Prwqypoyrgos milhse proxqes, einai teleiws prosfath h topoqethsh toy epi twn qematwn ths ekpaideytikhs politikhs. Ara, gnwrizete poies einai oi apoceis toy.

KYRIAKIDOY: Pws antidra h kybernhsh sto aithma ekproswpwn toy RKK poy zhtane na ginei dektos sthn Ellada o k. Otsalan;

REPPAS: Den exei diatypwqei tetoio aithma pros thn ellhnikh Kybernhsh.

KYRIAKIDOY: O ekproswpos aytos o opoios brisketai sthn Aqhna, leei oti exei epafes me kybernhtikoys paragontes. To diaceydete;

REPPAS: Den yparxei epafh me kybernhtikoys paragontes.

SOYRMELH: Legetai oti einai atypes synomilies, alla wstoso gia na doqei to "prasino fws", gia na meinei estw kai eji mhnes sthn Ellada opws zhtaei o Otsalan, qa prepei h ellhnikh Kybernhsh na dwsei to "prasino fws". Epeidh kai sto parelqon fainetai oti arnhqhke h ellhnikh Kybernhsh, par' olo poy eseis to exete diaceysei ayto, ekeinoi epimenoyn oti to eixan zhthsei, exete na mas peite poy brisketai twra to qema;

REPPAS: Einai ena qema to opoio den afora toylaxiston amesws thn Ellada. H qesh mas einai safhs. Gia osoys den thn exoyn antilhfqei h den enqymoyntai thn topoqethsh mas, mporw na thn epanalabw me poly liges lejeis. Den qewroyme skopimh thn eleysh kai paramonh toy Koyrdoy hgeth sthn Ellada, gia logoys poy exoyn sxesh me ton agwna aytoy toy idioy toy Koyrdikoy laoy.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Prin fygei apo thn Italia, eixe h ellhnikh kybernhsh opoiadhpote epafh me thn italikh kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Gia to qema ayto h ellhnikh kybernhsh den exei opoiadhpote anameijh stoys xeirismoys poy ekane h italikh kybernhsh.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Epishs, prin fygei, twra dhladh -an kai to twra to diaceysate- prin fygei apo thn Italia, h ellhnikh kybernhsh eixe opoiadhpote epafh me to RKK sxetika m' ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Oxi. Apanthsa s' ayto.

BITALHS: H prwth erwthsh einai oti se diasthma dyo ebdomadwn h Agkyra eqese qema gia to FIR Aqhnwn kai dexqhkate ki eseis proswpika epiqesh. Poio einai to sxolio sas; Kai h deyterh einai giati den yphrje antidrash, xqes to brady, apo thn ellhnikh pleyra;

REPPAS: H Toyrkia efeyriskei qemata, kataskeyazei problhmata kai dhmioyrgei ojynsh stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis. To kanei ayto giati epidiwkei thn antiparaqesh. Einai gnwsth kai anedafikh h taktikh ths, opws epishs einai gnwsth kai apotelesmatikh h dikh mas cyxraimh stash. An h Toyrkia pisteyei oti yparxoyn nomikhs yfhs qemata, mporei na ta antimetwpisei ajiopoiwntas tis diadikasies toy Dieqnoys Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs, kati poy apofeygei systhmatika na kanei. Kata ta alla, gia na erqw sto allo skelos ths erwthshs sas, den einai dynato na anamenete apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh na "xoreyei" sto skopo ton opoio paizei h kybernhsh ths Toyrkias. H Toyrkia endiaferetai na "fortwsei" tis dimereis sxeseis, dhmioyrgwntas ena katalogo qematwn poy paramenoyn, kata th dikh ths apoch, se ekkremothta. Ayth einai aparadekth stash. Mia tetoia politikh den prokeitai na pagideysei thn ellhnikh kybernhsh. H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei jekaqarh politikh. Se oloys toys tonoys exoyme kanei safeis tis qeseis mas. Paramenoyme s` ayth thn politikh. H Toyrkia exei to problhma, h Toyrkia as analabei prwtoboylies gia na lysei ta problhmata poy thn apasxoloyn. Kai oi dromoi toys opoioys mporei na epilejei einai poly sygkekrimenoi. Ektos an epilegei to dromo toy polemoy, pragma to opoio diafainetai kai ypokryptetai, polles fores, sthn epiqetikh kai proklhtikh stash twn ajiwmatoyxwn ths. Ayto, omws, einai kati poy katadikazei olh h Dieqnhs Koinothta kai oxi mono h Ellada.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ligoys mhnes meta thn aqwwsh twn synadelfwn gia kataskopeia, h Dikaiosynh pali egkalei synadelfo gia kataskopeia. Pws to sxoliazete;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh den sxoliazei pote tis prwtoboylies twn dikastikwn organwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati den tis sxoliazei; Den eiste armodios ypoyrgos Typoy;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, otan einai se ejelijh mia dikastikh ereyna, mia diadikasia gia thn opoia exei analabei prwtoboylia dikastiko organo, emeis paramenoyme siwphloi. Otan oloklhrwnetai ayth h diadikasia, gnwrizete oti ekfrazoyme th dikh mas qesh. To exw kanei sto parelqon se analogh periptwsh. Qa anamenoyme na oloklhrwqei h diadikasia, prokeimenoy tote, me dikh sas prwtoboylia -parakalw na to qymhqeite- na epanelqoyme sto qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia kataskopeia; Dexeste, dhladh, th diwjh;

REPPAS: Den qa krinw tis prwtoboylies dikastikwn organwn. H xara h dikh mas einai, oi dhmosiografoi aproskopta na kanoyn to ergo toys. Kai gnwrizete oti exoyme epityxei, sthn Ellada h eleyqerotypia na brisketai se para poly ychlo epipedo, poy qa to zhleyan polles alles xwres ston kosmo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epi tria xronia, kyrie Ypoyrge, talaipwroyse h kybernhsh alloys dhmosiografoys.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw, toylaxiston, apo to ' 93 kai meta poy kyberna kai pali to PASOK, na yparxei sthn Ellada dhmosiografos o opoios exei ypostei talaipwria. Ektos ean h ennoia ths talaipwrias, kata th dikh sas antilhch, einai poly diaforetikh apo th dikh mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ektos ki an den qymosaste kala;

REPPAS: Epeidh milhsate gia talaipwria, gi` ayto apanthsa etsi. Gia na gnwrizoyme ti einai talaipwria.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Etrexan kaqe treis kai ligo sta dikasthria. Den einai talaipwria ayto;

REPPAS: Eprepe na antapokriqoyn stis klhseis poy elaban apo dikastika organa. Einai ypoxrewsh toy kaqe polith. Ti sxesh exei to ena me to allo. An qelete na katarghsoyme th Dikaiosynh, mporeite na to proteinete. Apo th stigmh poy yparxoyn organa ths Dikaiosynhs, qa ta afhsoyme aperispasta na kanoyn to ergo toys. Edw qelete na leitoyrgoyn oi qesmoi sthn Ellada, alla apo thn wra poy pairnoyn prwtoboylies gia kati poy den einai symfwno me tis dikes sas apoceis, peripoy qelete na toys katarghsoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qelete na efarmosete to N. 1975, pali;

REPPAS: Emeis kyrie Stamatopoyle, exoyme jekaqarh politikh gi` ayta ta qemata. Den parembainoyme sta qemata ths Dikaiosynhs. Parakalw, to idio na kanete ki eseis. Ayto sas kalw na kanete. Na meinete makria apo qemata poy xeirizetai kaqe fora ena dikastiko organo, giati ayto epiballei to kratoys dikaioy.

MIXAHL: Sto idio qema mia erwthsh. Gia thn kybernhsh, exei kleisei to qema poy proekyce meta thn parembash toy tote Genikoy Grammatea, ara kai kybernhtikoy stelexoys toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn; Exei kleisei ayto to qema gia thn kybernhsh, meta kai th diadikasia poy akoloyqei h Dikaiosynh.

REPPAS: To qema ayto gnwrizete oti to eixame sxoliasei epikairws tote. Apo ekei kai pera, den exei prokycei kati allo.

MIXAHL: H Dikaiosynh thrhse tis dikes ths diadikasies kai ejedwse ena porisma, ena apallaktiko boyleyma.

REPPAS: To opoio sxoliasame kai ekfrasame thn ikanopoihsh mas.

MIXAHL: Gia sas, exei kleisei ayth h ypoqesh;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na exei analhfqei allh prwtoboylia h opoia na dikaiologei to erwthma poy qetete.

KONTOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete eseis, ws kybernhsh, stelexh apo to xwro toy PASOK, ta opoia exoyn erqei se epafh me ton k. Abramopoylo kai protiqentai na prosxwrhsoyn sthn politikh kinhsh, h opoia einai ypo dhmioyrgia;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizoyme otidhpote sxetiko.

KACAMPELHS: H kybernhsh qa balei qema allaghs toy eklogikoy nomoy;

REPPAS: Den antimetwpizei tetoio qema h kybernhsh.

KACAMPELHS: Dhladh, oi epomenes ekloges, opote ki an ginoyn, qa ginoyn me to isxyon systhma;

REPPAS: Oi epomenes ekloges qa ginoyn to 2000. Kai qa ginoyn me to eklogiko systhma poy isxyei shmera.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Hrqe ekproswpos toy PKK apo thn Eyrwph edw kai dhlwnei se megalhs kykloforias ellhnikh efhmerida oti kanei epafes h qa kanei shmera krisimes epafes me armodioys paragontes, sxetika me thn eleysh edw toy Ostalan k. lp. Ektos toy oti to diaceysate ayto, exete na kanete kapoio sxolio sxetika m` ayto; Dhladh, einai kati qetiko ayto, na leei kati to opoio na to diaceydete eseis; Qa hqela kapoio sxolio ep` aytoy.

REPPAS: Opoioi zoyn sthn Ellada mporoyn eleyqera na askhsoyn thn opoia nomimh drasthriothta toys. Den yparxei periorismos epeidh, akribws, sthn Ellada to kratos den einai astynomiko kratos. Den parakoloyqei th drasthriothta twn politwn. Yparxei nomos o opoios prepei na ginetai sebastos. Efoson den yparxei parabash nomoy, den dhmioyrgeitai opoiodhpote qema. Apo ekei kai pera, h politikh qesh ths kybernhshs einai poly safhs. Thn exw ekqesei kai sas einai gnwsth. Den allazei tipota ws pros ayto. Oyte mporei na logokriqei kapoios epeidh leei kati, oyte bebaiws mporei na epiblhqei se kapoion na pei kati, to opoio o idios den ensternizetai.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Alla, mporei na sxoliastei, omws. Ayto sas zhtaw.

REPPAS: Den einai dynato na sxoliazoyme otidhpote syzhteitai sto dhmosio xwro. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia gia sas, einai h epishmh qesh ths kybernhshs. Thn epishmh qesh ths kybernhshs thn anefera me poly liges lejeis. Einai gnwsth se sas. Parakalw na meinete s` ayto.

KARAGIANNH: Qa hqela na epanelqw s` ayto poy rwthse o k. Stamatopoylos, gia ayth thn apostrofh sthn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Boylh. Anhsyxei h kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos gia endexomenh prajh apostaqeropoihshs eite toy yparxontos politikoy skhnikoy, eite ths poreias ths kybernhtikhs politikhs;

REPPAS: Oson afora to prwto, eimaste kathgorhmatikoi oti oi dhmokratikoi kai oi koinoboyleytikoi qesmoi sthn Ellada leitoyrgoyn apolytws. Den einai dynato na yponomeyqei h leitoyrgia twn qesmwn aytwn apo opoiondhpote to skeptetai h to epixeirhsei. H dhmokratia exei rizwsei sthn Ellada. Deyteron, h poreia ths kybernhshs einai staqerh. Sto telos ayths ths poreias, to xroniko shmeio, dhladh, sto opoio qa kriqei h paroysia mas, einai to 2000. Apantwntas prin, hmoyn kathgorhmatikos. Ara, edwsa emmesws apanthsh kai sth dikh sas erwthsh, oti oi ekloges qa ginoyn to 2000, poy shmainei oti qa poreyqoyme mexri tote, xwris na perimenete oti qa prokycei mia allh katastash aifnidiws.

SOYRMELH: Pantws einai h prwth fora poy ki eseis milate gia katastash poy qa prokycei aifnidiws kai einai h prwth fora poy eseis milate gia kapoia arrwstia poy eipate prohgoymenws kai egw an eimai kala ayrio, poy shmainei oti den apokleiete to endexomeno na prokycei kati.

REPPAS: To apekleisa kathgorhmatika. An katalabate to antiqeto, lypoymai. Isa-isa, gia na dikaiologhsw ayth thn ypoqesh, h opoia xrhsimopoihqhke ws sxhma logoy, ekana ki egw ena sxhma logoy. Einai kati to opoio xrhsimopoieitai stis kaqhmerines syzhthseis mas kai den prepei na toy dinoyme, opws eipa, to politiko baros poy kapoioi toy dinoyn. Ayto akribws eipa.

Sas eyxaristw.

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