Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-01-13

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 13 Ianoyarioy 1999

Geia sas.

Qa hqela, prin perasoyme stis erwthseis sas, na kanw ena eisagwgiko sxolio:

Shmera, ap' oti deixnoyn ta stoixeia poy exei sth diaqesh toy to ypoyrgeio Paideias, h katastash sta sxoleia, se oti afora tis katalhceis, einai poly kalyterh. Briskomaste, opws fainetai, se mia synexizomenh yfesh. Wstoso, to fainomeno paramenei se orismena sxoleia kai gia thn kybernhsh, estw kai ena sxoleio ean den leitoyrgei eyryqma kai omala synista problhma. Kai synista problhma, giati xreos ths Politeias einai na diasfalizei thn omalothta, kyriws se enan toso eyaisqhto xwro, opws einai o xwros ths ekpaideyshs.

Einai profanes oti oi monoi poy plhttontai apo th synexish mias tetoias katastashs einai oi idioi oi maqhtes.

Epiqymoyme na epanalaboyme kai pali oti h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish qa efarmostei. Kai qa efarmostei, oxi giati etsi to qelei h kybernhsh, alla giati einai mia politikh poy exei stoxo kai qa epityxei thn anabaqmish ths ellhnikhs ekpaideyshs. Ayto einai xreos ths politeias pros toys neoys anqrwpoys. Idiaitera stis shmerines synqhkes tis ojytata antagwnistikhs koinwnias to xreos ths ekpaideyshs einai na trofodothsei toys maqhtes, ta paidia, me gnwseis poy qa toys dwsoyn th dynatothta na antepejelqoyn stis dyskoles aytes antagwnistikes synqhkes kai na diasfalisoyn to mellon toys. Aytos akribws einai o stoxos ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. Kai gi ayton akribws to logo h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish qa efarmostei.

H kybernhsh qa hqele na steilei shmera dyo mhnymata:

* To prwto mhnyma afora toys maqhtes ekeinoys poy synexizoyn na kratoyn ta sxoleia toys se katastash katalhchs. Qeloyme na toys poyme oti h epistrofh sta qrania den einai oyte ypoxwrhsh, oyte ypostolh ths shmaias kai den shmainei asfalws katebasmena kefalia. Antiqeta, shmainei nikh ths logikhs kai ths syneshs kai nikh toy mellontos toys. Kai h monh nikh poy mporei na yparjei sthn ypoqesh ayth einai h nikh toy mellontos. Apo thn allh, h monh htta poy mporei na yparjei sthn ypoqesh ayth, einai h htta ths opisqodromhshs kai ths stasimothtas.

* To deytero mhnyma apeyqynetai stis dynameis ths opisqodromhshs, ths stasimothtas kai ths kaqysterhshs. Giati yparxoyn tetoies dynameis -kai ennow politikes dynameis- poy prospaqoyn kaqe kainotoma kai eksygxronistikh prospaqeia ths Kybernhshs na thn empodisoyn, na th mataiwsoyn. Kai bebaia ayto den qa to petyxoyn. Wstoso, ayth h politikh parembash toys exei kostos kai to kostos den einai gia thn kybernhsh, einai gia ta paidia, gia toys neoys anqrwpoys. Gi ayto, exoyme epaneilhmmena epishmanei oti ayth h parembash toys einai ena gegonos aparadekto. Parallhla, tonizoyme safws oti ta "metwpa palhs" ths kas Paparhga den aforoyn to mellon ths ellhnikhs koinwnias kai twn newn anqrwpwn. H kybernhsh einai ypeyqynh na diasfalisei to mellon twn newn anqrwpwn. Kapoioi alloi einai ypeyqynoi gia th stasimothta kai thn kaqysterhsh.

Epishs, qeloyme na poyme se osoys enisxyoyn th logikh ths hssonos prospaqeias, genikotera gia thn ellhnikh koinwnia, eidikotera, omws, gia toys neoys anqrwpoys, oti prosferoyn poly kakh yphresia sto mellon aytoy toy topoy. Oi synqhkes einai tetoies, o antagwnismos me ton opoio qa kinhqoyn h xwra mas kai oi polites ths einai tetoios, poy xreiazetai poly sklhrh doyleia gia na mporoyme na antepejelqoyme. Kai aythn akribws th sklhrh doyleia eyaggelizetai kai epixeirei h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish.

Epanalambanw, oti h katastash omalopoieitai, alla prepei na jefygoyme grhgora apo ayto to klima. Ta sxoleia einai xwroi maqhshs, xwroi dialogoy, einai eleyqeroi xwroi, xwroi mesa stoys opoioys oi neoi anqrwpoi prepei na aisqanontai eleyqeroi, na aisqanontai aneta, na noiwqoyn oti o xwros einai dikos toys kai oti ekei maqainoyn gia na proetoimazontai gia th dyskolh shmerinh kai ayrianh antagwnistikh koinwnia. Kai ayth -epanalambanw- einai h proqesh ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs kai ayth h politikh qa efarmostei.

Ayta eixa na sas pw eisagwgika kai akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KIAOS: Lete oti "qa efarmostei opwsdhpote h metarryqmish" kai diapistwnete "synexizomenh yfesh". Me aytes tis qeseis kai tis diapistwseis sas, pws apantate sta fainomena opoy oxi synexizetai, alla isa-isa ayjanetai h entash sta metwpa, opws einai: goneis enantion gonewn, goneis enantion maqhtwn, goneis enantion kaqhghtwn, maqhtes kata maqhtwn kai -shmera- kaqhghtes enantion maqhtwn me traymatismoys, sta nosokomeia kai diafora tetoia. Pws apantate se ayta;

NIKOLAOY: Na ta paroyme ena-ena ta pragmata. Kat` arxhn, se oti afora to teleytaio qema sto opoio anaferqhkate...

KIAOS: To akoysa sto radiofwno.

NIKOLAOY:... kai emeis exoyme anazhthsei perissotera stoixeia. Den exoyme ayth th stigmh leptomerh stoixeia gia to gegonos ayto, to opoio, an alhqeyei, einai ena atyxes peristatiko, to opoio asfalws mas lypei oloys kai mas anhsyxei. Mas anhsyxei h katastash poy yparxei se orismena sxoleia. Giati para polla sxoleia -h syntriptikh pleiochfia- leitoyrgoyn, doyleyoyn. Kai ayth akribws h antifash dhmioyrgei ena epiprosqeto problhma sta paidia poy synexizoyn na mhn phgainoyn sto maqhma toys. Giati ta ypoloipa paidia, poy einai h pleiochfia, proxwroyn. Pairnoyn meros kanonika sthn ekpaideytikh diadikasia kai ayto dhmioyrgei anisothtes. Kai aytes oi anisothtes den prepei na synexisoyn na yparxoyn.

Einai profanes oti gyrw apo olh ayth thn istoria twn katalhcewn kai twn maqhtikwn kinhtopoihsewn yparxoyn diafores apoceis. Opws yparxoyn kai oi apoceis aytwn poy qeloyn na synexistoyn oi katalhceis. Kai epitrecte moy na pw kai entelws aparadektes praktikes apo orismenoys ej aytwn. Kyriws anaferomai se merida kaqhghtwn. Kai anaferomai safws se anqrwpoys, oi opoioi den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn ekpaideysh kai omws briskontai gyrw kai mesa sta sxoleia, gia na epiblepoyn, na epibaloyn h na ypoqalpoyn katalhceis, me politikoys mono stoxoys. Giati yparxoyn para polla tetoia peristatika kai den xreiazetai na anaferqoyme se sygkekrimena gegonota. Yparxoyn, omws, para polla tetoia sth diaqesh mas, poy pistopoioyn aythn akribws thn katastash.

Ayth, loipon, einai mia katastash poy asfalws den tima kanenan. Kai anejarthta apo to an den tima kanenan, kyriws den wfelei toys neoys anqrwpoys, toys maqhtes, poy gia to mellon toys, ypotiqetai, koptontai kai osoi enisxyoyn ayth thn aparadekth shmerinh katastash. Gi` ayto kai eipa prin oti emeis den qa mpoyme pote se ayth thn aparadekth kai epizhmia gia oloys logikh, na anadeijoyn endexomenws kapoies kinhtopoihseis twn maqhtwn, gia na erqoyn meqayrio ta syllalhthria kai meta na yparjei to "metwpo palhs" me toys agrotes poy qa kanoyn thn kat` etos epanastatikh gymnastikh toys. Ayth einai mia politikh thn opoia h kybernhsh den qa yioqethsei pote, giati einai mia politikh epizhmia gia th xwra. Kai bebaiws, osoi exoyn thn eyqynh ayths ths politikhs qa eisprajoyn to apotelesma ths.

KIAOS: Sas rwthsa, ti sygkekrimena qa kanei h Kybernhsh, pera apo th diakhryjh kai th dikh sas kai toy Ypoyrgeioy kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti qa efarmostei h metarryqmish, giati plhqainoyn ta fainomena poy opws eipate anhsyxoyn kai thn Kybernhsh. To reportaz stis efhmerides leei allo pragma oti kaqhmerinws perissotera sxoleia prostiqentai s' ayta poy einai ypo katalhch. Praktika, efoson anhsyxeite, efoson qa efarmostei h metarryqmish, efoson ta adiejoda pyknwnoyn, ti qa ginei; Epeidh eipate prohgoymenws gia kapoioys poy kykloforoyn ejw apo ta sxoleia klp., sas qymizei, throymenwn twn analogiwn me alloys roloys, h shmerinh periodos thn periodo toy 1991, ton Ianoyario, me th dolofonia toy Temponera;

NIKOLAOY: Kyrie Kiao, as apodramatopoihsoyme kat` arxhn thn katastash, gia na mhn kanoyme syneirmoys oi opoioi den exoyn kamia sxesh me th shmerinh pragmatikothta. Otan eipa sthn arxh oti yparxei mia yfesh, to ennooysa. To deixnoyn oi ariqmoi. Alla, en pash periptwsei, to qema mas den einai na syzhthsoyme shmera epi twn ariqmwn, giati to problhma einai yparkto kai emeis qeloyme na lysoyme to problhma kai oxi na antidikhsoyme gia to an 10 perissotera h 10 ligotera sxoleia briskontai ypo katalhch h apoxh. Kai ena sxoleio na mh leitoyrgei eyryqma, einai qema, einai problhma. Emeis qeloyme na diasfalisoyme synqhkes paideias, ekpaideyshs kai aytes oi synqhkes -epanalambanw- dhmioyrgoyntai mono me anoixta sxoleia kai me maqhma. Den yparxoyn alles synqhkes gia thn Paideia kai thn ekpaideysh. Se kaqe allh periptwsh to sxoleio den ekplhrwnei to rolo toy. Ta sxoleia, loipon, prepei na anoijoyn kai opws exei pei epaneilhmmena o Ypoyrgos Paideias, na ginei dialogos gia ton tropo efarmoghs ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs, h opoia -epanalambanw- qa efarmostei. Kai qa efarmostei giati einai mia poly sobarh protash gia na anabaqmistei h ellhnikh ekpaideysh kai na proetoimasei kalytera to mellon twn Ellhnwn maqhtwn. H Kybernhsh omalothta ejaggellei, dialogo epiqymei, anoixta sxoleia epidiwkei.

SOYGLERHS: Me to sobarotato problhma poy exei prokycei me thn anaplhrwsh twn xamenwn didaktikwn wrwn, ti skeptetai na kanei h Kybernhsh, akribws;

NIKOLAOY: Isxyei oti exei pei o Ypoyrgos Paideias, o opoios molis xqes ekane sygkekrimenes dhlwseis kai eipe oti to Ypoyrgeio meleta diaforoys tropoys gia na antimetwpisei to qema ayto. Yparxoyn tropoi.

SOYGLERHS: Poioi einai aytoi; Pame gia to Sabbatokyriako, opws grafetai;

NIKOLAOY: Endexomenws. Den exei apofasistei kati oristika. Ayto, opws jerete, ejartatai kai apo thn ektash ths synexeias toy fainomenoy aytoy. Ayto poy prepei na tonisei kaneis einai oti piqanh synexish toy fainomenoy qa dhmioyrghsei ajeperasta empodia gia osoys den qa paroyn meros sta maqhmata. En pash periptwsei, omws, to Ypoyrgeio Paideias, opws eipe -epanalambanw- o k. Arsenhs, meleta toys tropoys gia na antimetwpisei to qema ayto.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Genike, an katalabainw kala, se kapoia sxoleia poy synexizetai h katalhch toys, oi maqhtes poy qa exoyn tetoio orio apoysiwn, poy qa einai ejw apo th didaktea ylh, den qa mporoyn, mallon na paroyn meros stis ejetaseis;

NIKOLAOY: Den milhse kaneis gia orio apoysiwn.

SOYGLERHS: Pws; Afoy qa synexistei h katalhch...;

NIKOLAOY: Den milhse kaneis gia orio apoysiwn. Milhse gia tis aparaithtes wres poy prepei na ginei maqhma kai gia thn aparaithth ylh poy prepei na didaxtei. Den mporei kaneis na parei apolythrio xwris na exei paei mia mera sto sxoleio toy. Ayto den to epiqymei kanenas Ellhnas poliths. Den qa steiloyme apolythria di' allhlografias. Oi maqhtes qa kanoyn maqhma, qa anaplhrwsoyn tis xamenes wres toys, me tropoys poy qa brei to Ypoyrgeio Paideias kai qa proxwrhsoyn kanonika sto mellon toys. Kai emeis epeidh pisteyoyme oti qa lhjei omala olh ayth h istoria, den pisteyoyme oti qa yparjei megalytero problhma apo ayto poy yparxei shmera. Qa antimetwpistei, dhladh, to qema. Alla, bebaiws, gia na antimetwpistei omala xreiazetai h synesh kai h logikh olwn.

SOYGLERHS: Gnwrizei h Kybernhsh oti se kapoia sxoleia oi dieyqyntes arnoyntai na pairnoyn apoysies stoys maqhtes, enw se alla sxoleia, an kai teloyn ypo katalhch, kapoioi mpainoyn kai kapoioi den mpainoyn... Pws qa antimetwpistei ayto to qema;

NIKOLAOY: Egw qa sas elega na mhn mpoyme stis leptomereies aytes. Arkei h diabebaiwsh poy o idios o Ypoyrgos Paideias exei dwsei oti to Ypoyrgeio Paideias meleta toys tropoys gia na mporesei na antimetwpisei tis xamenes didaktikes wres kai na kalycei ta kena, oswn exoyn kena.

ALEJAKH: Enas apo toys isxyrismoys twn maqhtwn poy kanoyn tis katalhceis einai oti den prokeitai gia metarryqmish, alla lene oti "mas koroideyoyn". Kati tetoio lene. Mhpws qa mporoysate na mas peite eseis, mia kai oloi oi kybernhtikoi paragontes epikaleiste ton oro "metarryqmish", ta pio shmantika shmeia ths; Kanoyme mia metarryqmish, fernoyme ta panw-katw, ypotiqetai, allazoyme shmantika pragmata. Poia einai ta shmantika pragmata poy exoyn allajei twra kai poy pragmatika deixnoyn oti einai metarryqmish; Kai to rwtaw kai gia toys maqhtes ayto, oi opoioi isxyrizontai oti den einai metarryqmish.

NIKOLAOY: Qa mporoysa na sas pw oloklhrh th filosofia ths Kybernhshs kai to nomo gia to ti epidiwkei na kanei sto xwro ths ekpaideyshs. Eyxaristws na sas to pw. Qa moy parei mia-dyo wres. An qelete, egw den exw kamia antirrhsh, alla den nomizw oti einai ayto to qema ths syzhthshs mas shmera. Allwste, o Ypoyrgos Paideias exei toso syxna omilhsei safws. O Prwqypoyrgos, sth Boylh, exei epaneilhmmena milhsei gia thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish, poy nomizw oti einai sth diaqesh olwn osoi epiqymoyn pragmati na maqoyn poia einai h oysia ths metarryqmishs, na antilhfqoyn peri tinos prokeitai. Ayto poy mporei na pei kaneis -kai pairnw aformh apo th xqesinh synenteyjh toy Ypoyrgoy Paideias, se thleoptiko staqmo- einai oti ena basiko stoixeio ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs einai h anoixth prosbash pros ta Panepisthmia. Einai ena, den einai to mono. To krisimo kai to basiko stoixeio einai h anabaqmish ths parexomenhs gnwshs, gia na einai antagwnistikoi oi Ellhnes maqhtes sto neo, sygxrono, dyskolo periballon.

ALEJAKH: Pantws, san parathrhsh to lew, kaqe fora poy zhtame apo kapoion kybernhtiko paragonta, eite apo ton Ypoyrgo Paideias, na ejhghsei poia einai h oysia ths metarryqmishs, pera apo to anoigma twn Panepisthmiwn -poy einai poly shmantiko ayto, alla twra to anadeiknyete, sthn arxh to eixate ypobaqmisei- akoyme ta idia pragmata: "Exoyme ejhghsei, exoyme ejhghsei, exoyme ejhghsei". An bgoyme, omws, sto dromo kai rwthsoyme toys polites ayths ths xwras "exoyn ejhghsei oi anqrwpoi, jerete ti einai ekpaideytikh metarryqmish", sas diabebaiw oti elaxistoi qa mporesoyn na mas poyn kati perissotero.

NIKOLAOY: Ayto, poy qesate, to pws dhladh mia kybernhsh epikoinwnei me toys polites, einai ena poly sobaro qema, alla den einai qema poy qa to syzhthsoyme edw shmera.

ALEJAKH: Mhpws ftaiei ayto;

NIKOLAOY: Ayto poy den mporw na dextw einai o isxyrismos oti h kybernhsh den exei ejhghsei poia einai h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish. Exei analysei tis problepomenes nees ryqmiseis kai exei epaneilhmmena ejhghsei to periexomeno ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Genike, sth syskech toy Sabbatoy poy exei programmatistei gia to Eqniko Symboylio Paideias ypo ton k. Panareto qa metexei kai kapoios ekproswpos toy Ypoyrgeioy Paideias, o k. Anqopoylos h o k. Arsenhs; Exei zhthqei kati tetoio, h paroysia kapoioy;

NIKOLAOY: Oxi, den qa metexei to Ypoyrgeio Paideias. Allwste, ektos toy Ypoyrgeioy Paideias -opws jerete- den qa metexoyn oi Prytaneis, symfwna me anakoinwsh toys. Den jerw oyte kai poios qa metexei telika, oyte an qa metexei kai kanenas se ayth th syskech.

I. SARANTAKOS: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh thn apokalych poy exei o ELEYQEROS TYPOS shmera, symfwna me thn opoia ergazomenoi sthn Eqnikh Trapeza exoyn, me tis eylogies toy k. Karatza, apodoxes poy yperbainoyn ta 2 ekatommyria draxmes kai apo ayta panw apo 1,5 ekatommyrio einai yperwries;

NIKOLAOY: Kat` arxhn na sas pw oti h Eqnikh Trapeza qa ekdwsei sxetikh anakoinwsh kai qa apanthsei analytika. Ayto poy egw mporw na sas pw einai: Oti, opws prokyptei, oi amoibes aytes exoyn egkriqei apo th Genikh Syneleysh ths Eqnikhs Trapezas poy pragmatopoihqhke ton prohgoymeno Maio kai oti ta posa poy anagrafontai sto dhmosieyma den einai alhqina. Kai, epishs, oti oi amoibes twn stelexwn ths Eqnikhs Trapezas einai ejairetika xamhloteres apo tis amoibes poy yparxoyn ston idiwtiko tomea. Ean, malista, sygkrinoyme to megeqos kai th dynamikh ths Eqnikhs Trapezas -poy, opws jerete, einai h megalyterh ellhnikh trapeza- qa elega oti einai dramatika xamhloteres apo antistoixes amoibes stelexwn toy idiwtikoy tomea. Prepei, epishs, na gnwrizei kaneis oti ta stelexh twn epixeirhsewn poy droyn antagwnistika, prepei na exoyn kai antagwnistikes amoibes. Alliws den mporei na einai antagwnistikes oi epixeirhseis. Den prokeitai, loipon, gia periergo fainomeno. Prokeitai gia mia nomimh diadikasia. Gia perissoteres leptomereies, omws, sas parapempw sthn anakoinwsh poy qa ekdwsei h Eqnikh Trapeza.

I. SARANTAKOS: Fantazomai oti ennoeite oti nomimh diadikasia einai kai kapoios o opoios den ergazetai, kanontas xrhsh ths syndikalistikhs toy idiothtas, na exei kai aytos yperogkes amoibes apo yperwries poy kanei!

NIKOLAOY: Den jerw na symbainei kati tetoio. En pash periptwsei, qewroyme oti h Eqnikh Trapeza poy exei mia dynamikh poreia, qa prepei na afeqei aperispasth -den shmainei xwris elegxo- na kanei to ergo ths kai na phgainei mprosta.

ALEJAKH: Dhmosieyetai shmera sthn AQHNAtKH, ena pararthma ths Ekqeshs toy Dieqnoys Nomismatikoy Tameioy ths 15 Ioylioy toy 1998, poy anaferetai sta stoixeia ta opoia dinei h xwra mas gia thn eisodo sthn ONE. Edw to pararthma leei, me poly eygeniko tropo, qa mporoyse na pei kaneis, oti ta stoixeia mas einai ligo plasmatika, oti den antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia. Pws to sxoliazete eseis ayto; To jerei h kybernhsh to pararthma ayto, to exei ypoch ths;

NIKOLAOY: Gia to qema ayto exei apanthsei o k. Reppas, an qymoymai kala, to kalokairi, poy perase.

ALEJAKH: Gia thn Ekqesh.

NIKOLAOY: Pali eixe teqei ena qema se oti afora ta stoixeia. Kai nomizw oti kai ena mhna prin -den qymoymai akribws thn hmeromhnia- pali eixe teqei to qema kai o k. Reppas eixe apanthsei. Ayto poy qelw na pw egw kai exoyme epanalabei polles fores einai to ejhs: Ta stoixeia poy parexei h kybernhsh se oloys toys Dieqneis Organismoys elegxontai pollaplws apo thn idia thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai tis yphresies ths. Sto shmerino kosmo oydeis mporei na dwsei ceydh stoixeia, xwris na ginei antilhptos. H xwra mas, loipon, dinei ta stoixeia poy yparxoyn. Ajiologeitai kai krinetai h ajiopistia ths me bash ayta, giati ayta einai ta stoixeia poy yparxoyn. Den qa hqela, loipon, na mpoyme se tetoioy eidoys syzhthseis, oi opoies afenos men den kanoyn kalo kai afeteroy den exoyn kai pragmatikh bash.

Eyxaristw poly.

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