Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-01-14

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 14 Ianoyarioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TO GENIKO GRAMMATEA ENHMERWSHS GIANNH NIKOLAOY

Geia sas.

Prin proxwrhsete stis erwthseis sas qa hqela na kanw ena eisagwgiko sxolio kai na epanalabw tis apoceis ths kybernhshs gia to qema twn hmerwn:

H kybernhsh exei epaneilhmmena dhlwsei oti h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish qa efarmostei kai exei, epishs, tonisei oti ola ta periqwria dialogoy einai anoikta gia toys tropoys efarmoghs ths kai pws h basikh eyqynh olwn einai na anoijoyn osa sxoleia einai kleista kai shmera den leitoyrgoyn. Apo th synexizomenh ayth katastash oi monoi poy plhttontai einai oi idioi oi maqhtes kai to mellon toys. Gi` ayto kai shmera o kaqenas prepei na apeyqynetai sth logikh, th synesh kai thn eyqynh olwn. Opws polles fores exoyme dhlwsei, h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish proetoimazei toys neoys Ellhnes gia th shmerinh kai ayrianh antagwnistikh koinwnia kai epixeirei, prospaqei na dhmioyrghsei ena sxoleio poy qa toys parexei ola ta efodia gia na antepejelqoyn stis sygxrones kai dyskoles apaithseis, tis apaithseis twn kairwn.

Exoyme, epishs, episthsei thn prosoxh se oloys osoi epixeiroyn na paijoyn politika paixnidia, sthrizomenoi sthn agwnia twn maqhtwn. Oi neoi anqrwpoi exoyn tis agwnies toys kai tis eyaisqhsies toys kai s` aytes tis agwnies kai tis eyaisqhsies h kybernhsh steketai me poly megalh prosoxh. Tis afoygkrazetai, tis akoyei, tis katanoei, pisteyei omws oti h monh lysh einai h epistrofh sta qrania kai h koinh prospaqeia olwn gia na anabaqmistei to parexomeno epipedo gnwsewn sthn ekpaideysh kai idiaitera sth dhmosia ekpaideysh.

Se osoys synexizoyn na paizoyn politika paixnidia panw s` ayth thn katastash, exoyme na poyme pws exoyn dialejei laqos xwro kai bebaiws apostelloyn ta mhnymata toys se laqos dieyqynsh. Kai opws exoyme, polles fores, ypogrammisei den plhttoyn thn kybernhsh, alla plhttoyn to mellon twn newn anqrwpwn.

Eidame, gia paradeigma, xqes ton arxhgo ths Neas Dhmokratias na kaythriazei thn yparxoysa katastash, enw gnwrizei asfalws oti sth diamorfwsh ayths ths katastashs kai th synexeia ayths ths katastashs paizoyn rolo kai stelexh toy kommatos toy. Den mporei, loipon, kaneis na einai Pontios Pilatos kai epishs den mporei kaneis na ypokrinetai, paristanontas ton Pontio Pilato, enw sthn oysia diadramatizei rolo sth synexeia ayths ths katastashs, me profanh skopo na ekmetalleytei ta politika apotelesmata ths.

Epanalambanw oti adiejoda den yparxoyn. H lysh einai na anoijoyn ta sxoleia. H lysh einai na synexistei o dialogos gia thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish, gia thn poreia ths efarmoghs ths. Pisteyoyme oti telika qa epikrathsei h logikh, h synesh kai h hpiothta gia ena qema poy ta apaitei ola ayta. Allwste, ayto fainetai na qelei shmera kai h pleiochfia. Ypenqymizoyme oti ta perissotera sxoleia -h syntriptikh pleiochfia twn sxoleiwn- einai anoikta, leitoyrgoyn. Gia thn kybernhsh, bebaiws, kai thn Politeia yparxei problhma akomh kai otan, estw ki an ena sxoleio den leitoyrgei. Omws, epanalambanw, h qesh ths pleiochfias exei ekfrastei. H pleiochfia qelei anoikta sxoleia.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

ARGYROS: H prwth erwthsh moy einai: Eipate oti kapoia sxoleia leitoyrgoyn h qa prepei na leitoyrghsoyn. Yparxoyn kapoia sxoleia ta opoia den einai ypo katalhch kai den leitoyrgoyn; Kai h deyterh erwthsh: Xqes, o k. Giannopoylos eipe oti o laos qa dwsei th lysh. Ti ennooyse;

NIKOLAOY: Sto prwto sas erwthma exw na apanthsw to ejhs: Yparxoyn sxoleia ta opoia den leitoyrgoyn, xwris dikh toys eyqynh. Kyriws sxoleia systegazomena. Yparxoyn paradeigmata Gymnasiwn ta opoia den leitoyrgoyn, giati to ktirio sto opoio stegazontai brisketai ypo katalhch apo to Lykeio to opoio systegazetai. To Gymnasio ayto p. x. prosmetratai ston ariqmo twn kleistwn sxoleiwn. Den brisketai ypo katalhch. Wstoso to problhma yparxei. Mporei na mhn einai sxoleio poy brisketai se katalhch, oi maqhtes omws den kanoyn maqhma. Yfistantai kai aytoi tis synepeies. Kai prepei na breqoyn lyseis s` ayto to qema.

Se oti afora to deytero erwthma sas, h kybernhsh exei ej arxhs apeyqynei ekklhsh se oloys toys foreis ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas kai eyrytera se oloys toys polites, oi opoioi endiaferontai gia to qema ths ekpaideyshs. Kai gia to qema ths ekpaideyshs endiaferetai oysiastika to synolo toy ellhnikoy laoy, giati amesa h emmesa exei mia sxesh me to xwro ths ekpaideyshs. H kybernhsh exei pei epaneilhmmena oti prepei na epikrathsoyn synqhkes dialogoy, omalothtas sthn ekpaideytikh diadikasia, gia na lyqoyn ta opoia problhmata yparxoyn.

SOYRMELIDHS: Xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos milhse gia tropopoihseis kai beltiwseis, an stamathsoyn oi kinhtopoihseis. Ejetazete to endexomeno na janaskefteite kapoies tropopoihseis h beltiwseis;

NIKOLAOY: O Prwqypoyrgos epanelabe ayto poy eixe pei kai sth Boylh kai ayto poy exei dhlwsei kai o Ypoyrgos Paideias para polles fores oti, se oti afora toys tropoys efarmoghs ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs, yparxei periqwrio dialogoy. Ayto h kybernhsh to exei epaneilhmmena dhlwsei. Den mporei na syzhthsei h kybernhsh thn efarmogh h oxi ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. Polla qemata h idia h Kybernhsh exei dhlwsei, edw kai para poly kairo, oti einai antikeimeno dialogoy kai ejakoloyqoyn na einai antikeimeno dialogoy.

ROYMPANHS: Poia einai ta qemata dialogoy, otan h metarryqmish den exei teqei sto trapezi;

NIKOLAOY: Na ta paroyme ta pragmata apo thn arxh; H metarryqmish exei teqei se trapezi dialogoy. Den qa teqei twra, meta apo tis synqhkes poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei. Yparxoyn para polla qemata, omws, poy kai oi idioi oi foreis ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas exoyn qesei sto trapezi gia thn poreia ths efarmoghs ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. H kybernhsh den mporei na synainesei h na symfwnhsei sth logikh ths legomenhs mhdenikhs lyshs, thn opoia blepoyme na yperaspizontai kai merika kommata ths Antipoliteyshs, metajy aytwn kai h Nea Dhmokratia. Ti shmainei logikh ths mhdenikhs lyshs; Na anaklhqei to synolo twn oswn exoyn ejaggelqei kai na jekinhsoyme ena dialogo, ws na mhn eixe eipwqei, na mhn eixe katagrafei kai na mhn eixe katateqei tipota. Ayth, kata th gnwmh mas, einai h logikh ths stasimothtas kai ths opisqodromhshs. Emeis pisteyoyme sth dynamh ths politikhs mas, pisteyoyme sth dynamh ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. Qewroyme oti einai swsth h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish kai bebaiws, eimaste anoixtoi na syzhthsoyme sta qemata poy dhmioyrgoyntai sthn efarmogh ths. Alla, th logikh ths mhdenikhs lyshs poy to mono poy mporei na kataferei einai na odhghsei jana ta pragmata sth stasimothta, den thn apodexomaste.

ROYMPANHS: Den einai mono h mhdenikh lysh, h opoia proballetai apo to synolo ths Antipoliteyshs. Einai kai h protash, poy epishs kataqetoyn sto trapezi ta kommata ths Antipoliteyshs, gia anastolh twn ejetasewn sth B' Lykeioy. Estw ayto to metro, poy kai shmera to epanalambanoyn oi ekproswpoi twn kommatwn, ean mporei na to ejetasei h kybernhsh.

NIKOLAOY: Exoyme pei epaneilhmmena oti h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish qa efarmostei.

FASOYLAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o ypoyrgos Paideias k. Arsenhs, xqes, xwris na dwsei perissoteres dieykriniseis, eipe oti epeidh exoyn xaqei polles hmeres, den einai dynaton na plhrwqoyn kai maqhtes apo diafores sxolikes monades den qa mporesoyn na paroyn meros stis ejetaseis toy Ioynioy. H OLME apo thn pleyra ths yposthrizei oti ayto den eystaqei nomika. Telika ti isxyei, dioti edw yparxei mia sygxysh.

NIKOLAOY: Kat' arxhn na sas pw oti o ypoyrgos Paideias qa kanei dhlwseis sth diarkeia ths hmeras. Ayto poy qa hqela na pw, einai oti h OLME ofeilei shmera na rijei to baros ths sth dhmioyrgia synqhkwn gia na proxwrhsei h ekpaideytikh diadikasia sta sxoleia kai oxi na antidikei epi nomikwn qematwn. To xreos twn ekpaideytikwn einai na bohqhsoyn thn ekpaideytikh diadikasia. Kai ekpaideytikh diadikasia den mporei na yparjei me kleista sxoleia. Ta nomika efeyrhmata mporei na einai poly kala gia na kerdizoyn kapoioi qesh sth dhmosiothta, alla den dinoyn apanthseis. Kai h kybernhsh, epeidh exei thn eyqynh ths leitoyrgias ths politeias, se antiqesh me thn aneyqynothta poy epideiknyoyn kapoioi alloi, ofeilei na brei toys tropoys ekeinoys gia na ejasfalisei th synexeia ths ekpaideytikhs diadikasias. An oloi, loipon, symbaloyn se ayth th logikh, exei kalws. Oso, omws, paramenoyn kapoioi egklwbismenoi gyrw apo mia logikh poy den odhgei poyqena -to tonizw, einai adiejodh logikh- tote qa exoyme problhmata.

SOYRMELH: Exete stoixeia shmera posa sxoleia leitoyrgoyn sthn Aqhna kai posa sthn eparxia se posostiaia bash;

NIKOLAOY: Den exw tetoia stoixeia. Genika mporw na pw oti h katastash, apo oti toylaxiston anaferei to ypoyrgeio Paideias, einai peripoy sta xqesina epipeda. Alla, opws eipame kai xqes, to qema den einai an pente h deka sxoleia perissotera h ligotera leitoyrgoyn h den leitoyrgoyn. Bebaiws, einai kai ayto ena qema. To qema, omws, einai kyriws na mhn yparxei problhma sthn ekpaideytikh diadikasia se kanena sxoleio. Ayto poy einai gegonos einai oti h pleiochfia twn sxoleiwn leitoyrgei omala. Mas endiaferei omws kai h meiochfia.

SOYRMELH: Qymiste moy xondrika ta xqesina epipeda leitoyrgias h apoxhs se ekatostiaia bash.

NIKOLAOY: Ta xqesina stoixeia poy edwse sth dhmosiothta to ypoyrgeio Paideias htan oti ena pososto ths tajhs toy 12% ews 15% twn sxolikwn monadwn den leitoyrgoysan.

SOYRMELH: Se olh thn epikrateia;

NIKOLAOY: Nai. Epanalambanw, omws kai pali, oti eite einai 12%, eite einai 11%, eite einai 13%, den einai ayto to antikeimeno ths syzhthshs mas, oyte entopizetai ekei to endiaferon ths kybernhshs. Dhladh, ki an meiwqoyn sto 8% ews 9%, den shmainei oti emeis eimaste ikanopoihmenoi. Emeis qeloyme na leitoyrghsoyn ola ta sxoleia. Kai na leitoyrghsoyn -epanalambanw- oxi gia na kerdisei h politikh ths kybernhshs, alla gia na kerdisei to mellon twn paidiwn.

ALEJAKH: Pantws, kyrie Ekproswpe, h proqesh ths kybernhshs einai, opws lete, na leitoyrghsoyn ta sxoleia, alla mexri stigmhs den exoyme katalabei pws qa to petyxei ayto, giati edw akoyme kai thn kybernhsh na leei oti h metarryqmish qa efarmostei, toys kaqhghtes na diafwnoyn kai na epimenoyn stis apoceis toys, toys maqhtes to idio. Qa ginei kati praktika; Giati an parameinoyn oles oi pleyres ametakinhtes stis qeseis toys diafainetai oti ayth h istoria mporei na synexistei kai thn epomenh ebdomada. Yparxei kapoio metro poy qa parete;

NIKOLAOY: H monh lysh poy mporei na yparjei sta qemata ayta einai o dialogos kai h peiqw. H kybernhsh, loipon, epeidh pisteyei oti me dialogo kai me peiqw mporoyn na antimetwpistoyn ta qemata ayta -epanalambanw, einai h monh lysh- qewrei oti en telei qa epikrathsei h logikh kai h synesh kai oti ta politika paixnidia, kapoia stigmh, qa odhghqoyn se adiejodo.

ALEJAKH: Xqes, sas ekana mia erwthsh gia to pararthma ths Ekqeshs toy DNT. Shmera, dhmosieyetai to pararthma ayto sthn efhmerida AQHNAtKH, endexomenws na to eidate, kai leei ligo-poly ayta poy eipame kai xqes. Qa hqela to sxolio sas gi ayto. Epishs, qa hqela to sxolio sas gia thn Ekqesh poy afora sthn Ionikh Trapeza, ekqesh thn opoia exei o Dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Elladas sta xeria toy kai anebasei to timhma sto 1,5 tris.

NIKOLAOY: Se oti afora thn Ekqesh gia thn Ionikh Trapeza, den exw plhroforhsh. Qa ereynhsw an yparxei kapoia tetoia ekqesh kai qa sas apanthsw.

Se oti afora to prwto qema, to apanthsame xqes. H dikh mas apanthsh steketai sthn akribeia twn stoixeiwn poy dinei h ellhnikh kybernhsh. Kai opws eipame kai xqes, ola ta stoixeia poy parexontai apo thn kybernhsh, ejetazontai pollaplws. Ara, den yparxei periqwrio parermhneias h periqwrio laqwn se toso sobara qemata.

SOYRMELIDHS: Qa hqela na mas dieykrinisete, an einai dynaton, to apotelesma twn synomiliwn sthn Ispania, giati thn prwth hmera doqhke h entypwsh apo tis dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti yparxei ena para poly kalo klima, oti yparxei symfwnia gia koinh poreia twn dyo xwrwn sto qema twn Koinotikwn Tameiwn, enw th deyterh hmera epesan -qa elega- oi tonoi kai o kaqenas miloyse gia diaforetika krithria.

NIKOLAOY: Den nomizw oti einai etsi ta pragmata. Ayrio, poy qa sas kanei thn enhmerwsh o k. Reppas, qa sas milhsei analytika gia to qema ayto.

Sas eyxaristw.

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