Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-01-11

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 11 Ianoyarioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

* Opws gnwrizete, shmera, sth Boylh diejagetai ektos hmerhsias diatajhs syzhthsh, se epipedo politikwn arxhgwn, gia ta qemata ths Paideias, meta apo prwtoboylia toy Proedroy toy Synaspismoy k. Kwnstantopoyloy.

H katastash, opws diamorfwnetai shmera, pisteyoyme oti einai eynoikh gia na arxisoyn na leitoyrgoyn kai pali ta sxoleia. Fainetai pws dikaiologeitai ayth h aisiodojia, epeidh einai fqinoysa h poreia twn katalhcewn. Den briskoyn antapokrish oloi ekeinoi oi opoioi epiqymoyn th synthrhsh ayths ths katastashs.

Sth syzhthsh poy qa ginei shmera sth Boylh qa katadeixqei, gia mia akomh fora, oti h kybernhsh exei sygkekrimenh kai oloklhrwmenh protash gia ta qemata ths Paideias, enw h Antipoliteysh -logw endeias qesewn- katafeygei se asthriktes kataggelies gia th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn kai monon.

* Ayrio o Prwqypoyrgos metabainei sthn Ispania gia dihmerh epishmh episkech. Apodidoyme idiaiterh shmasia se ayto to tajidi. Me thn Ispania exoyme se dimeres epipedo aristes sxeseis. Einai koines oi qeseis poy exoyme anaptyjei sto plaisio ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Ypenqymizw th synanthsh kai th syzhthsh poy egine sthn prosfath Synodo Koryfhs sth Biennh metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai twn Prwqypoyrgwn ths Ispanias kai ths Portogalias kyriwn Aqnar kai Gkoyntieres, antistoixa, gia qemata poy aforoyn thn "Atzenta 2000" kai thn koinh stash twn xwrwn mas se qemata ta opoia exoyn idiaiterh shmasia gia to mellon shmantikwn tomewn se kaqe xwra.

Pisteyoyme oti ayth h episkech sthn Ispania qa dwsei th dynatothta na syzhthqei kai na sxediastei, me perissoteres leptomereies, h stash twn xwrwn mas stis syzhthseis poy epikeintai stis diergasies ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, prokeimenoy me ton kalytero tropo na antimetwpisoyme ta qemata poy mas endiaferoyn kai idiaiterws osa perilambanontai sthn "Atzenta 2000".

* Thn Paraskeyh (15/1/99) qa synedriasei to KYSEA, prokeimenoy na epilejei toys neoys Arxhgoys toy GES kai toy GEA. Amesws meta qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, h opoia qa asxolhqei me thn proodo toy kybernhtikoy ergoy kai alla qemata ths epikairothtas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela to sxolio sas gia th synenteyjh toy k. Abramopoyloy, xqes, sto "BHMA". Epishs, pws antimetwpizei h Kybernhsh th dhmioyrgia neoy politikoy sxhmatismoy, symfwna me ayta poy dhlwse o k. Abramopoylos;

REPPAS: Sth Dhmokratia o kyklos einai panta anoiktos. Kaqe poliths exei to dikaiwma na anaptyssei anempodista tis politikes drasthriothtes toy kai na diadidei tis politikes idees toy. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia kai mas afora einai oti to PASOK poy epi polla xronia exei tyxei ths empistosynhs toy ellhnikoy laoy, kyberna me epityxia th xwra mas kai qa synexisei na thn kyberna. Ara, oi anafores toy k. Abramopoyloy ston kyklo twn kommatwn poy dhqen ekleise, aforoyn profanws ta alla kommata, idiaiterws to komma toy xwroy ston opoio anhkei, th N.D.. Mia tetoia problech, mporei na pei kaneis, dikaiologeitai logw twn dysoiwnwn prooptikwn ths N.D. To PASOK exei ploysio parelqon, exei ena gonimo paron kai ena elpidoforo mellon. To PASOK einai kat' ejoxhn to komma toy mellontos. Ara, loipon, ayth h anafora den afora to PASOK. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, h Dhmokratia einai eyryxwrh. Ta kommata ta opoia kybernhsan, kyriws to PASOK, meta th metapoliteysh th xwra, dhmioyrghsan dhmokratikoys qesmoys, wste na mporei o opoiosdhpote poliths na isxyrizetai oti qa analabei politikh prwtoboylia gia thn idrysh kinhshs. Ayto einai kati -epanalambanw- poy apotelei systatiko kai agaqo ths Dhmokratias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate oti sto qema ths Paideias, ektonwnetai h katastash. Apo poy bgainei ayto; Egw akoysa prohgoymenws oti to 80% twn Lykeiwn den leitoyrgoyn sth xwra. To akoysa kai apo ekproswpo ths OLME kai apo paidia. Poy eidate eseis thn ektonwsh; Me thn Asfaleia, dhladh ta MAT kai toys Eisaggeleis kai me tis brisies kai apeiles poy ektojeyoyn oi Ypoyrgoi;

REPPAS: Prwta ap' ola ta stoixeia poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas einai stoixeia twn armodiwn yphresiwn. H eikona poy prokyptei einai oti sthn Ellada ta perissotera sxoleia -o syntriptika megalos ariqmos twn sxoleiwn- leitoyrgoyn kanonika shmera. Problhmata paroysiazontai se liges dekades sxoleiwn sthn perioxh twn Aqhnwn. Pisteyoyme oti tis epomenes hmeres h fqinoysa poreia twn katalhcewn qa odhghsei sto na leitoyrghsoyn kai ayta ta sxoleia. H enhmerwsh, o dialogos, oi xeironomies kai oi prwtoboylies toy Ypoyrgoy Paideias pisteyoyme oti exoyn symballei sthn kateyqynsh na apofortistei to klima entashs twn katalhcewn poy diamorfwqhke thn teleytaia periodo. Eimaste aisiodojoi. Asfalws, kaqe pleyra diatypwnei tis dikes ths apoceis. Ayto einai qemito kai paradekto. Den qa prepei, omws, na yparxei paraplhroforhsh. Sas lew, loipon, oti o megalyteros ariqmos twn sxoleiwn leitoyrgei shmera kanonika.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayta ta lete eseis, kyrie Ypoyrge. Eseis lete "o megalyteros". Oi alloi lene oti o megalyteros ariqmos den leitoyrgei. Peste mas enan ariqmo. Jerete posa sxoleia leitoyrgoyn;

REPPAS: Ta stoixeia, ta opoia prokyptoyn apo tis armodies yphresies toy kratoys, odhgoyn se ayto to symperasma. Parakalw, gia na mhn mpoyme se ariqmologia -giati mporw na anaferw kai paradeigmata - dexqeite ayth thn ektimhsh, h opoia sthrizetai se sygkekrimena stoixeia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, den einai h Aqhna poy lete. Kai sthn Patra leitoyrgoyn mono tria Lykeia kai sto Bolo kanena. Twra to akoyga poy edinan stoixeia oi radiofwnikoi kai thleoptikoi staqmoi. Eseis apo poy ta bgazete ta stoixeia; Aytoi apo poy ta pairnoyn, apo alloy;

REPPAS: Epanalambanw, oti ta sxoleia -o syntriptika megalos ariqmos twn sxoleiwn - sthn perifereiakh Ellada leitoyrgoyn kai ayto einai apodeijh toy oti briskomaste se mia fqinoysa poreia, oson afora tis katalhceis. Yparxoyn bebaiws kai sthn perifereia sxoleia ta opoia ayth thn wra briskontai ypo katalhch: sthn perioxh ths Magnhsias, ths Axaias, ths Kerkyras. Yparxoyn tesseris-pente nomoi opoy paramenei akomh enas ychlos ariqmos katalhcewn. Ayto den shmainei omws oti einai h pleiochfia. Qa elega oti einai mia poly mikrh meiochfia sto synolo twn sxoleiwn ths ellhnikhs epikrateias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ekei giati yparxoyn; Den doyleyei kala h Asfaleia kai oi Eisaggeleis;

REPPAS: Ayto einai diko sas symperasma. Prepei, omws, na pw oti kaqe erwthsh einai dekth, alla qa prepei na ginetai me ena tetoio tropo wste na dhlwnei endiaferon gia na labete mia apanthsh, na enhmerwqeite eseis kai na enhmerwsete kai to koino sto opoio apeyqyneste. H syzhthsh poy kanoyme kaqe mera edw den einai pedio politikhs antiparaqeshs. Ta stoixeia ayta, loipon, prokyptoyn apo tis armodies yphresies. Oi armodies yphresies leitoyrgoyn ikanopoihtika. Fainetai oti yparxoyn idiomorfies se kaqe perioxh kai stis sygkekrimenes perioxes exoyn logoys oi maqhtes -h oi kaqhghtes oi opoioi syntrexoyn ayth th synthrhsh ths katastashs twn katalhcewn- ki exoyn topoqethqei yper ths synexishs twn katalhcewn. Einai poly aplo. Einai aytonohtes oi apanthseis kapoies fores. Mh dhmioyrgeite entypwseis me to na mplekete qemata ta opoia den exoyn opoiadhpote sxesh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ekei den exei xrhsimopoihqei h Asfaleia kai oi Eisaggeleis; Den kaloyntai dieyqyntes ...;

REPPAS: Mporoyme na anaferoyme arketa peristatika, ta opoia einai endeiktika ths prospaqeias poy kanoyn polles dynameis na synthrhsoyn ena klima. Mporw na sas anaferw th mhnythria anafora poy ekane o Proistamenos sthn Kalamata, sth Messhnia, poy kathggeile sygkekrimena stelexh toy KKE oti eishlqan se kapoio sxoleio kai ekfobisan dieyqyntes, kaqhghtes, prokeimenoy na parameinoyn makria apo ta kaqhkonta toys. An qelete na mpoyme se tetoies periptwseis, mporoyme na to kanoyme, alla nomizw oti qa xaqoyme se ena labyrinqo periptwsewn. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai na doyme to dasos, na doyme olo to topio. Sas lew oti h katastash shmera ejelissetai poly kalytera, pragma to opoio dikaiologei aisiodojia oti tis epomenes hmeres, logw ayths ths fqinoysas poreias twn katalhcewn, ta sxoleia mporoyn na janaleitoyrghsoyn omala sxedon sto synolo toys.

MOYRTZHS: O k. Abramopoylos, symfwna me tis dhmoskophseis poy exoyn ginei, exei diembolisei kai to xwro toy PASOK. Ayto den sas fobizei;

REPPAS: Apo th stigmh poy ayto martyroyn oi dhmoskophseis einai stoixeio pros meleth. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia, omws, einai sthn prajh kai katw apo pragmatikes synqhkes, kai oxi synqhkes ergasthrioy, na ejetasei kaneis poios einai o baqmos epirrohs toy ston ellhniko lao. An pragmatika qelete na sygkrinoyme tis dhmoskophseis me thn pragmatikh leitoyrgia enos leitoyrgoyntos kommatos, mporoyme na to kanoyme, alla ta symperasmata sta opoia qa odhghqoyme den qa einai asfalh. Gia na krinoyme kai na sygkrinoyme omoia pragmata, parakalw, na dexqeite kai eseis pws prepei na bgazoyme symperasmata, sygkrinontas kommata poy leitoyrgoyn. An pragmatika o k. Abramopoylos proxwrhsei se mia nea politikh kinhsh, tote h aphxhsh ths politikhs kinhshs qa metrhqei kai qa miloyme epi isois orois, prokeimenoy na bgaloyme ta politika symperasmata mas. Kati to opoio den symbainei twra.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, anaferqhkate se fainomena tromokrathshs maqhtwn, kaqhghtwn apo stelexh toy KKE. Qa hqela na rwthsw an yparxei idia antilhch apo merias kybernhsews gia praktikes ypoyrgwn, oi opoies exoyn kataggelqei kai epwnymws apo Lykeiarxh ston Peiraia, o opoios kathggeile ton k. Anqopoylo oti ton tromokrathse gia na kalesei Eisaggelea sto sxoleio. Qa hqela to sxolio sas;

REPPAS: Apo th stigmh poy exoyn ginei ajiopoines prajeis, asfalws h Dikaiosynh den mporei na einai adiaforh. Den einai qema toy opoioy ekpaideytikoy na kalesei h na mhn kalesei Eisaggeleis. Kaqe ekpaideytikos qa prepei na endiaferetai gia th dhmosia perioysia kai thn thrhsh toy nomoy. Sto plaisio ayto, to Ypoyrgeio Paideias exei kalesei toys ekpaideytikoys na symbaloyn, wste na apokatastaqei h nomimothta, ekei poy ayth exei diataraxqei, sta sxoleia opoy logw twn katalhcewn exoyme kai tetoioy eidoys parenergeies. Egw den milhsa gia kataggelies h gia frastikes antiparaqeseis, oi opoies, allwste, einai ena fainomeno syxno. Egw milhsa gia sygkekrimenh prwtoboylia h opoia exei ena xarakthra ajiopisto kai egkyro: mhnythria anafora poy kateqese ekpaideytikos leitoyrgos. Kai ej oswn gnwrizw, den yparxei kapoia mhnythria anafora sthn periptwsh poy anafereste. H mhnythria anafora ayth periexei sygkekrimena stoixeia poy qa apasxolhsoyn dikastika organa. Ayto einai poy exei shmasia

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, gia na dexqeite ws yparkto to gegonos, qa perimenate apo enan yfistameno na kathgorhsei ton proistameno toy yfypoyrgo kai na ton steilei sta dikasthria, gia na parei qesh h Kybernhsh gia ta tektainomena;

REPPAS: To Ypoyrgeio Paideias, to ellhniko kratos kanei ta panta, wste ta sxoleia na leitoyrghsoyn amesws kai omala. Mas endiaferei na leitoyrghsoyn amesws kai omala, an einai dynaton, ola ta sxoleia. Gnwrizete oti synergeia exoyn apokatasthsei tis zhmies poy eginan. Gnwrizete oti exei epishmanqei stoys ekpaideytikoys pws prepei na einai parontes gia na askhsoyn ta kaqhkonta toys. Kai epishs, exei tonistei pws oi maqhtes qa prepei na proserxontai sta maqhmata toys, giati oi apoysies oi opoies apo edw kai pera katalogizontai, qa einai adikaiologhtes. Ayth einai h pragmatikothta poy exei diamorfwqei. Oyai kai alimono an emeis symballoyme, wste na synthrhqei ayth h katastash. Qa prepei na symbaloyme, wste h morfwsh -poy ws agaqo, oso moirazetai, toso ayjanei- na parexetai synexws kai aproskopta, mesw aytoy toy paidagwgikoy ekpaideytikoy mhxanismoy poy einai to sxoleio. Den prepei na stamathsei h leitoyrgia twn sxoleiwn. Se ayth thn kateyqynsh kinoymaste. Kapoioi alloi exoyn mia diaforetikh apoch kai paleyoyn yper ths apochs toys. Einai dikaiwma toys. Omws, qa prepei kaqe prospaqeia, apo opoiadhpote pleyra, na ginetai sto plaisio toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn. Ayto einai poy prepei na kanoyme oloi kai se ayth thn kateyqynsh kaloyme oles tis pleyres na kinhqoyn. Ayto einai to qema.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Prin apo 15 hmeres o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn eixe xarakthrisei ws falkideysh toy dhmokratikoy politeymatos tis kinhtopoihseis sto xwro ths Paideias. Xqes, proxqes o Prwqypoyrgos onomatise toys kaqodhghtes ths falkideyshs, legontas oti to KKE brisketai pisw apo aytes tis kinhtopoihseis kai epidiwkei anataraxh. Qa labete kapoia metra na antimetwpistoyn oi falkideytes ths dhmokratikhs nomimothtas ths xwras;

REPPAS: Qa kalesoyme kai pali to Kommoynistiko Komma na sebetai toys nomoys kai na symbalei sthn thrhsh toys. Apo kei kai pera, h k. Paparhga exei dhmosiws milhsei gia th qesh toy KKE, poy einai mia qesh yper twn katalhcewn, yper twn "agwnistikwn kinhtopoihsewn" sto xwro ths Paideias. Ayto ta leei ola. Den apokalyptoyme kati to opoio einai mystiko. Epanalambanoyme kati poy einai koino mystiko, wste na to gnwrizoyn oloi.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Poioi nomoi einai aytoi, oi opoioi antistrateyontai apo thn politikh drasthriothta toy KKE;

REPPAS: Den yparxoyn nomoi, oi opoioi na epitrepoyn ston opoiondhpote na eiserxetai se xwroys toy dhmosioy, sta dhmosia sxoleia, na probainei se bandalismoys kai na projenei zhmies. Opoiosdhpote einai ypaitios gia tetoies paranomes prajeis, antilambaneste pws qa prepei na analabei tis eyqynes toy. Ayto einai to qema.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Exete na ypodeijete kapoion tetoion;

REPPAS: Ta organa ths Dikaiosynhs, oi Eisaggeleis, poy asxoloyntai me to qema, exoyn analabei prwtoboylies. Efoson briskontai se ejelijh aytes oi prwtoboylies, den exoyme na diatypwsoyme peraiterw sxolio. Pisteyoyme, omws, oti den prepei na meinoyme adiaforoi, giati otan amblynontai ta krithria mas, qa erqei kapoia stigmh poy tote den qa prokalei endiaferon se mas toys polites kai o pleon barbaros ektraxhlismos. Otan ginontai tetoioy eidoys energeies, qa prepei oloi na eimaste eyaisqhtoi kai na antidroyme.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Eseis prodikazete oti aytes oi ereynes qa katalhjoyn kai se apofaseis, giati lete ws na yparxoyn dedomena.

REPPAS: Einai kati to opoio den gnwrizw. H Dikaiosynh, ereynwntas ta stoixeia, einai ayth kai mono ayth h opoia qa katalhjei sta porismata ths.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Wstoso, gnwrizete oti yparxoyn bandaloi.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na ginontai bandalismoi apo anqrwpoys oi opoioi einai politismenoi.

LAKOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sth syzhthsh sth Boylh gia thn paroxh chfoy empistosynhs pros thn Kybernhsh o Prwqypoyrgos eixe tonisei kathgorhmatika oti h Kybernhsh den dexetai chfo empistosynhs ypo oroys kai malista eixe apokleisei akomh kai thn aitiologhsh chfoy. Stis chfofories poy eginan sthn Kentrikh Epitroph toy PASOK, metajy twn stelexwn, ta opoia katachfisan to synolo twn politikwn qesewn toy kommatos poy sthrizei ayth thn Kybernhsh, htan kai arketoi boyleytes toy PASOK. Meta apo ayth thn ejelijh krinei h Kybernhsh oti tiqetai qema empistosynhs se o,ti afora toylaxiston aytoys toys boyleytes;

REPPAS: Einai apodedeigmeno oti h Kybernhsh apolambanei ths empistosynhs toy synoloy twn boyleytwn ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK kai gi` ayto synexizei adiatarakta to ergo ths.

LAKOPOYLOS: Pws thn apolambanei; Mia omada chfise plhrws kai apolytws kathgorhmatika ...

REPPAS: Den qa rwthsete gi` ayto thn Kybernhsh. Qa rwthsete ekeinoys poy chfizoyn me diaforetiko tropo.

LAKOPOYLOS: Zhtw thn ermhneia sas ep` aytoy.

REPPAS: Kamia ermhneia. Gnwrizw oti, kat` epanalhch, exei dhlwqei sth Boylh h empistosynh toy synoloy twn boyleytwn ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK pros thn kybernhsh. Ayto einai arketo.

KARAKWSTAS: Hqela na rwthsw an exei perielqei se gnwsh ths Kybernhshs h plhroforia poy ferei to Steit Ntipartment na analambanei prwtoboylies gia trimerh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, toy opoioy Toyrkoy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy Proedroy Klinton;

REPPAS: Den exei teqei tetoio qema. Den exei ginei opoiadhpote kroysh, den exei ginei opoiadhpote proergasia gia kapoia tetoia synanthsh.

KWSTANTHS: Me aformh osa legontai gia endexomeno dhmioyrgias neoy kommatos, allazei kati stis proqeseis sas sto qema toy eklogikoy nomoy; Kai gia na aytonomhsw to erwthma, epeidh se mia epistolh pros ta melh toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy o Prwqypoyrgos eixe mia diaforetikh topoqethsh sto qema toy eklogikoy nomoy, pws antimetwpizei ayto to endexomeno h kybernhsh; Exei allajei kati apo tis teleytaies dhlwseis edw;

REPPAS: Den mas apasxolei qema allaghs toy eklogikoy systhmatos. Ayth h anafora toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai genikh. Einai mia eyryterh politikh qewrhsh twn pragmatwn, se baqos xronoy. Ayto to opoio exei praktikh ajia einai oti qema eklogikoy systhmatos den antimetwpizei h Kybernhsh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an metajy toy Grammatea toy PASOK kai toy Proedroy toy kai Prwqypoyrgoy yparxei taytothta apocewn, oson afora thn protash toy prwtoy gia koino chfodeltio PASOK-Synaspismoy stis eyrwekloges;

REPPAS: Ek meroys ths Kybernhshs sas lew kai pali pws tetoio qema den mas apasxolei.

Sas eyxaristw.

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