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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 9 Dekembrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MPOYATAR: Pws dikaiologei h Kybernhsh th xqesinh apelash enos Syroy yphkooy sth xwra toy, opoy einai katadikasmenos se qanato, eidika meta thn istoria Otsalan gia thn opoia h Ellada exei ekfrasei antiqeth qesh, oson afora thn ekdosh toy;

REPPAS: Oi kanones poy isxyoyn sth xwra mas eginan apolytws sebastoi. Oi kanones aytoi yphrxan prin apo to sygkekrimeno symban. Den qespisthkan meta kai epi toytoy. Den exei kamia sxesh h mia periptwsh me thn allh. O hgeths twn Koyrdwn einai epikefalhs mias prospaqeias enos laoy na aytoprosdioristei kai na epityxei mia dikh toy qesh sth Dieqnh Koinothta, pragma to opoio arneitai h Toyrkia kai to anagnwrizei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Den einai h Ellada monon poy exei proteinei sygkekrimena metra gia thn antimetwpish toy Koyrdikoy qematos. Einai to synolo ths E. E. poy exei symfwnhsei se sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy me politika mesa na dieyqethqei to Koyrdiko zhthma.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: To prwi yphrje mia synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Ypoyrgo Paideias kai meta akoloyqhsan, osa akoloyqhsan, sto kentro ths Aqhnas. Yparxei sthn Kybernhsh qema me ton k. Arsenh;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kanena qema me ton k. Arsenh. To mono to opoio yparxei einai h anagnwrish ths prospaqeias poy kanei h Kybernhsh kai idiaiterws to Ypoyrgeio Paideias, gia thn egkaqidrysh ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs poy einai perissotero apo anagkaia gia th xwra mas. Qa prepei na fygoyme apo to pedio twn ceydaisqhsewn kai na entaxqoyme sto pedio ths adyswphths pragmatikothtas, poy apotelei pragmatikothta gia thn E. E., gia ton prohgmeno kosmo. Qa prepei, toys shmerinoys maqhtes kai ayriana stelexh ths koinwnias mas na ta efodiasoyme me ola ta mesa, wste na mporesoyn nikhfora na dwsoyn tis maxes toy mellontos ws stelexh ths Elladas toy 21oy aiwna. Qa prepei na toys poyme thn alhqeia, na enisxysoyme to epipedo twn gnwsewn toys kai emeis ws xwra na kerdisoyme ayto poy exei katakthsei h prohgmenh Eyrwph: Ena epipedo ekpaideyshs para poly ychlo. Den einai dynaton, se ena dieqnopoihmeno kosmo, emeis na paramenoyme pisw apo tis ejelijeis. Qa prepei, loipon, na kalycoyme to xameno edafos kai h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish ayto to stoxo exei. Na bohqhsei toys shmerinoys maqhtes, ta ayriana stelexh ths ellhnikhs koinwnias, na paijoyn to rolo toys, exontas sth diaqesh toys ola ta aparaithta efodia, poy shmera prepei na apokthsoyn.

KONTOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge oi katalhceis kai oi kinhtopoihseis exoyn mia klimakwsh. Skopeyei h Kybernhsh na analabei kapoia prwtoboylia gia na ektonwqei h katastash; Epishs, fainetai oti yparxei ena mplokarisma stis sxeseis ths Kybernhshs me ton klado twn kaqhghtwn. O Ypoyrgos epirriptei stoys kaqhghtes tis eyqynes gia to gegonos oti den exoyn enhmerwqei oi maqhtes kai oi kaqhghtes me th seira toys kathgoroyn ton k. Arsenh oti den exei labei metra gia plhrh proetoimasia. Ayto to adiejodo to opoio fainetai oti pyrodotei thn entash, skopeyei h Kybernhsh na to antimetwpisei;

REPPAS: O monos o opoios analambanei prwtoboylies gia thn antimetwpish ths krishs poy exei ekdhlwqei einai h Kybernhsh kai oydeis allos. Oyte h Antipoliteysh, oyte oi foreis ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas exoyn analabei kapoia tetoia prwtoboylia kai lypoymai poy to lew. O Ypoyrgos Paideias exei pantote anoixto to diaylo epikoinwnias me oloys toys foreis kai s` ayth thn epikoinwnia kalei kai thn allh pleyra na antapokriqei. Aphyqyne prosklhsh kai pali stoys ekproswpoys twn kaqhghtwn kai twn daskalwn gia na syzhthqoyn ta sygkekrimena zhthmata poy apasxoloyn ayth thn periodo to xwro ths ekpaideyshs. Prepei na antapokriqoyn s` ayth thn prosklhsh. Den exoyn analhfqei prwtoboylies, den exoyn kan diatypwqei protaseis apo opoiondhpote allon. Pisteyoyme oti oso proxwra h enhmerwsh kai h plhroforhsh, oso ginetai katanohth h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish, toso qa periorizetai kai o xwros gia tetoioy eidoys ekdhlwseis. Bebaiws, oi maqhtes, o kaqenas ekfrazei th dikh toy qesh. Ayto einai qemito, einai dekto. Pisteyoyme, omws, oti oi qeseis aytes anaptyssontai se ena pedio to opoio xarakthrizetai, se kapoio baqmo, apo elleich plhroforhshs. Oson afora ta shmerina epeisodia, ofeiloyme oloi na katadikasoyme ekeinoys, oi opoioi epixeiroyn na ekmetalleytoyn thn adolh diaqesh twn maqhtwn kai na entajoyn sto diko toys antikoinwniko kai antidhmokratiko sxediasmo tis opoies diadhlwseis kai kinhtopoihseis twn maqhtwn.

KONTOPOYLOS: To gegonos oti oi dhmoskophseis poy blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas deixnoyn mia megalh dyspistia apenanti s` ayth th metarryqmish, to 60% einai antiqeto, ayto to qema pws skopeyete na to antimetwpisete;

REPPAS: Twra, kanate mia eisagwgh se ena allo qema. Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti h politikh den askeitai mesw dhmoskophsewn. Askeitai me sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies, me metarryqmiseis kai allages poy einai anagkaies, prokeimenoy na epiteyxqei h proodos. Epishs, mias kai anafereste se dhmoskophseis, prepei na labete ypoch sas toyto: Syxna sthn Ellada oi logoi eklambanontai san prajeis. Einai allo o logos, poy prepei na krinetai ws logos kai allo h prajh, poy prepei na krinetai ws prajh. Bebaiws, h Kybernhsh krinetai sto "aftiasidwto" pedio ths pragmatikothtas -thn pragmatikothta oydeis mporei na epikalycei- kai me bash to sygkekrimeno ergo ths. H Antipoliteysh krinetai se ena qewrhtiko pedio, sto pedio twn logwn ths. Toys logoys -exei ayth thn anesh- mporei h Antipoliteysh na toys kanei sympaqeis. Pisteyw, omws, oti den qa prepei na yparxei sygxysh. Emeis ayto to opoio epidiwkoyme -opws kai sto sygkekrimeno Ypoyrgeio o armodios Ypoyrgos, etsi kai sto synolo ths h Kybernhsh- einai na oloklhrwsoyme to ergo mas kai na kriqoyme pleon apo ton ellhniko lao gia to ergo mas, to opoio pisteyoyme oti ekeinh thn wra, thn wra ths kalphs, qa kriqei me tetoio tropo, wste na ananewqei, gia allh mia fora, h empistosynh toy ellhnikoy laoy pros thn Kybernhsh. Kai parakalw na anamenete ayth thn krish toy laoy, otan erqei h katallhlh stigmh.

KARAKWSTAS: Den enoxlei to gegonos oti mia ptyxh ayths ths politikhs sas eklambanetai apo thn koinh gnwmh ws prospaqeia enisxyshs ths parapaideias; Giati ayto oysiastika einai to apotelesma ths sfygmometrhshs poy epikalesthke o synadelfos.

REPPAS: Exei eipwqei apo toys paragontes toy armodioy Ypoyrgeioy poy gnwrizoyn me kaqe leptomereia ta sxetika qemata, oti h metarryqmish ayth stoxeyei sto na odhghsei kai pali toys maqhtes sto Lykeio. Na ginei to Lykeio o xwros opoy qa apoktoyn tis anagkaies gnwseis gia th metepeita ejelijh toys. Se mia metabatikh periodo, logiko einai -logw akribws ths fyshs twn allagwn- na yparxoyn amfibolies kai erwthmatika, na einai ayjhmenos o fobos kai h abebaiothta kai polloi na prosfeygoyn sta frontisthria, sthn parapaideia. Ayto einai ena fainomeno to opoio, omws, exei hmeromhnia lhjhs. Exei sygkekrimeno xroniko orizonta. Kai bebaiws ayth h metabatikh periodos den qa prepei na krinetai san synepeia ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. Einai aplws ena dialeimma, to opoio qa pacei na yparxei, poly syntoma, otan oloi katanohsoyn kai gnwrisoyn poio einai to periexomeno ths metarryqmishs kai otan sthn prajh, kaqws qa efarmozetai h metarryqmish, qa doyn tis qetikes synepeies ths.

KIAOS: Sxetika me th synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Ypoyrgo Paideias, ti exete na peite;

REPPAS: Den exw na prosqesw kati allo. Exei kanei dhlwseis o Ypoyrgos Paideias. Paramenoyme stis qeseis, poy kat' epanalhch to ypoyrgeio Paideias, egw kai alloi synadelfoi exoyme diatypwsei, giati pisteyoyme oti oi qeseis aytes aphxoyn to pneyma twn kairwn. Prepei na "piasoyme" to mhnyma twn kairwn kai n' antapokriqoyme s' ayto.

KIAOS: Poios ek twn dyo zhthse th synanthsh ayth;

REPPAS: H synanthsh ayth htan programmatismenh apo thn prohgoymenh ebdomada kai entassetai sto plaisio twn taktikwn synergasiwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy me synergates toy.

KIAOS: Den mporei na skeftei kaneis perissotero, oti apo th stigmh poy ta pragmata sto xwro ths Paideias exoyn thn ejelijh poy exoyn, pera apo to oti htan programmatismenh eixe kai allh diastash h shmerinh synanthsh h oxi;

REPPAS: Den eixe kamia allh diastash. Kai qa moy epitrecete na pw, oti den einai dynato na qewreite oti einai ejelijh poy afora to xwro ths Paideias ta ektropa kai ta epeisodia ta opoia ekdhlwqhkan shmera.

KIAOS: Den anaferomai sta ektropa.

REPPAS: H syzhthsh poy egine asfalws eixe antikeimeno ta qemata ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. Kai asfalws, odhghse se mia ektimhsh twn synqhkwn poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei kata thn prospaqeia efarmoghs ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. Oi dhlwseis toy Ypoyrgoy Paideias einai poly safeis.

KIAOS: Epeidh den exw ypoch moy tis dhlwseis toy Ypoyrgoy Paideias, gi' ayto kai qelw na sas rwthsw kati poy rwthsa kai xqes kai thn prohgoymenh ebdomada: An, pera apo thn anabolh h anastolh thn opoia den dexeste, an skefteste, estw shmera, na proxwrhsete se kapoies mikres, estw, diorqwseis perissoterwn eykairiwn stoys neoys, stoys maqhtes.

REPPAS: Gia ta qemata ayta exoyme diatypwsei tis qeseis mas, oi opoies paramenoyn oi idies. Einai aytes poy gnwrizete. Den allazei tipota ws pros ayto.

FILHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, shmera yphrje ena megalo syllalhthrio, akoma kai h Astynomia poy einai feidwlh se ektimhseis, dinei poly megala noymera se sxesh me prohgoymenes sygkentrwseis. To gegonos oti yparxei mia diogkwsh twn antidrasewn, mia ayjanomenh tash gia tis antidraseis, problhmatizei thn Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se paremferh erwthsh toy k. Kontopoyloy.

FILHS: Na oloklhrwsw: H Kybernhsh epimenei se mia stereotyph apanthsh. Den peiqei omws. Prokeitai na yparjei mia prwtoboylia dialogoy me ayta ta paidia kai ton k. Arsenh; Phgan shmera sto ypoyrgeio Paideias, apwn o k. Arsenhs, htan sto Megaro Majimoy. Yparxei periptwsh na syzhthsei mazi toys o k. Arsenhs;

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin, se sxetikh erwthsh toy k. Kontopoyloy. Isxyei h apanthsh poy edwsa. O k. Arsenhs, to ypoyrgeio Paideias einai h monh pleyra, metajy olwn poy exoyn sxesh me to qema ayto, poy exei analabei prwtoboylies epikoinwnias kai dialogoy.

FILHS: Syggnwmh, yparxoyn sas janalew xiliades maqhtes, gia deyterh fora mesa se mia ebdomada, sto kentro ths Aqhnas. Kanoyn diadhlwsh. Isxyei h dhlwsh toy k. Arsenh "den synantwmai me toys diadhlwtes";

REPPAS: Epeidh epanaferete ayto to qema, mporeite na moy peite poses einai aytes oi xiliades;

FILHS: Rwthste thn Astynomia, qa jerei.

REPPAS: Mporeite na moy peite posoi einai oi xiliades twn maqhtwn sthn Ellada;

FILHS: Xiliades. Eseis twra qa kanete ariqmhtikh. Afhste thn ariqmhtikh, politika milame.

REPPAS: Eseis kanete ariqmhtikh. Eseis eipate oti h Astynomia qewrei oti einai megalos o ariqmos. Gia "megala noymera" den milhsa egw, alla eseis.

FILHS: Bebaiws. Kai to "megalo" afora...

REPPAS: Emeis thn agwnia thn exoyme, eite o ariqmos twn diadhlwtwn einai mikros, eite einai megalyteros. H agwnia paramenei akeraih. Kai einai megalh h agwnia olwn mas giati endiaferomaste na prowqhsoyme mia politikh poy einai pros ofelos twn paidiwn kai oxi na kerdoskophsoyme, paizontas me tis diaqeseis kai tis agwnies toys. Ayth einai h diafora.

FILHS: Syzhtate mazi toys;

REPPAS: Exei ginei ayth h prospaqeia, kat' epanalhch. Apodidei se megalo baqmo. Kai eipa oti oso proxwra ayth h diadikasia, qa periorizetai o xwros gia thn anaptyjh tetoiwn antidrasewn. Gnwrizete, allwste, oti o k. Arsenhs exei prwtostathsei, akoloyqwntas mia meqodo h opoia qewrw oti einai apokalyptikh twn dhmokratikwn proqesewn toy. Episkeptetai o idios sxoleia. Apanthsa prin se sxetikh erwthsh.

FILHS: Ma, osakis o k. Arsenhs episkefqhke sxoleia gia na peisei toys maqhtes, na plhroforhsei toys maqhtes, molis efyge eginan katalhceis.

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh, ayto to eqesan kai ston k. Arsenh. Apanthse s' ayto to qema. Den antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia kai to jerete poly kala.

FILHS: O Kolwnos, h Mytilhnh den antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia;

REPPAS: Exete na anaferete kapoies periptwseis. Parakalw, omws, h periptwsiologia ayth na mhn eklambanetai ws kanonas, giati gnwrizete oti h genikh katastash einai diaforetikh. Antilambanomai oti pantote exei endiaferon na proballontai kapoia epimeroys qemata, ta opoia enisxyoyn mia epixeirhmatologia, ayto omws den shmainei oti antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia ayth h epixeirhmatologia, para to oti gia ta epimeroys qemata einai pragmatikh. Einai omws allo to ena, allo to allo. Ayto to paixnidi sas kalw na mhn to paizete.

FILHS: Den einai paixnidi, einai sobara politika problhmata. Kati teleytaio: O k. Laliwths ejefrase, me to diko toy tropo, thn agwnia toy gi' ayta poy symbainoyn shmera sthn ekpaideysh. Symmerizetai h Kybernhsh ayth thn agwnia toy k. Laliwth; Kai an nai, einai h idia agwnia toy k. Laliwth me ekeinh toy k. Arsenh kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

REPPAS: Ma, egw milhsa prin gia thn agwnia ths Kybernhshs, prin xrhsimopoihsete eseis ayth th lejh. Kai einai profanes oti sas edwsa empneysh, phrate thn eykairia kai kanate thn erwthsh sas. Asfalws, exoyme oloi thn idia agwnia, giati blepoyme katw apo to idio prisma ta pragmata, giati eimaste allhleggyoi, yposthrizoyme ayth thn prospaqeia toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias poy einai prospaqeia ths Kybernhshs dedomenoy oti h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish -opws eipa kai se allh eykairia- apotelei kentrikh politikh gia thn Kybernhsh.

ARGYROS: Stis dhlwseis toy o ypoyrgos milhse gia thlediaskech poy qa ginei me toys maqhtes. Apofasise h kybernhsh oti einai apotyxhmenos o prwinos kafes kai qa prepei, pleon, na milaei ekproswpos toy ypoyrgeioy me toys maqhtes;

REPPAS: To ena, den apokleiei to allo. Aplws, ajiopoioyme tis dynatothtes ths texnologias, wste to ypoyrgeio, o ypoyrgos kai oi synergates toy na epikoinwnoyn me maqhtes se kaqe gwnia ths Elladas, poy einai dyskolo na thn episkefqoyn kai na syzhthsoyn ta qemata ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs.

ARGYROS: Epishs, stis dhlwseis toy o ypoyrgos eipe, oti tosa xronia diname xartia xwris antikrysma. Krinei, loipon, h kybernhsh oti htan apotyxhmenh h politikh ths ola ayta ta xronia poy kyberna to PASOK;

REPPAS: Krinoyme oti einai wrimes oi synqhkes gia mia ekpaideytikh metarryqmish. To exoyme pei, edw kai arketo kairo. Kai einai wrimes oi synqhkes gia thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish, epeidh ta pragmatika dedomena einai apokalyptika kai deixnoyn oti exoyme meinei pisw sto epipedo twn spoydwn poy exoyme sthn Ellada, se sxesh me to epipedo spoydwn poy exoyn katakthsei oi prohgmenes eyrwpaikes xwres.

ELENOPOYLOS: Qelw na kanw mia erwthsh poy afora ta dyo skelh poy, me aformh thn erwthsh toy k. Kontopoyloy, apanthsate. Fainetai, loipon, apo ta noymera -an einai pragmatikothta, einai mia allh istoria- kai ta apotelesmata twn dhmoskophsewn oti h kybernhsh "apolambanei ths empistosynhs" twn politwn se oti afora toys stoxoys ths ONE, gia paradeigma h toys oikonomikoys stoxoys k. l. p. Wstoso, se ola ta alla qemata, ta meizona qemata, dhladh, ygeia, paideia, koinwniko kratos, fainetai na yparxei mia safhs diaforopoihsh, mia, dhladh, arnhtikh diaqesh twn politwn apenanti sthn kybernhsh. Kai to erwthma einai aplo: Xwris na anairoyntai oi stoxoi toys opoioys exete qesei, skopeyete sto ejhs, oxi mono gia na parete chfoys, alla gia na eiste mesa sthn pragmatikothta, na dwsete diaforetikh diastash sthn politikh sas. Den einai erwthsh gia entypwsiasmo. Einai mia pragmatikothta. Yparxei apoklish kai fainetai, oxi mono apo tis dhmoskophseis dhladh.

REPPAS: Den einai stis proqeseis mas na syzhthsoyme epi toy periexomenoy ths opoias dhmoskophshs. Briskw thn eykairia na pw, omws, oti sta erwthmata poy aforoyn thn ikanothta twn kommatwn na diaxeiristoyn ta problhmata ths xwras, se oloys toys tomeis, h kybernhsh qewreitai perissotero ikanh na antimetwpisei kai na lysei ta qemata apo oti ta kommata ths Antipoliteyshs. Prepei na pw oti ola ayta exoyn lhfqei ypoch sto sxediasmo poy exoyme kanei kata thn askhsh ths kybernhtikhs politikhs. Pisteyoyme oti eprepe na proxwrhsoyme s` aytes tis rizospastikes tomes, giati problhmata poy eixan swreytei epi polla xronia, eprepe twra, se sympyknwmeno xrono, na antimetwpistoyn kai na lyqoyn. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, pisteyoyme oti oi karpoi, ta qetika apotelesmata aytoy toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, qa fanoyn sthn olothta toys poly syntoma, giati se kapoio baqmo kai se polloys tomeis einai orata ayta ta apotelesmata, wste o ellhnikos laos, thn wra ekeinh poy qa mas krinei, na mas krinei qetika kai me empistosynh. Ayth einai h politikh mas.

KARGOYDH: Apodidete, mexri shmera, ta problhmata kai tis antidraseis gia thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish sthn kakh enhmerwsh. Epeidh, omws, exw thn entypwsh oti to problhma ayto teinei na ginei genikotero koinwniko problhma. Exoyme megeqynsh twn antidrasewn. H kybernhsh skeftetai na enhmerwsei synolikotera ton Ellhna polith gia to egxeirhma ths sthn paideia;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh exei ajiopoihsei oloys toys tropoys poy exei sth diaqesh ths, sto plaisio mias ejormhshs-diafwtishs twn forewn ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas, alla kai toy synoloy toy ellhnikoy plhqysmoy gia ta qemata ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. Ayth thn prospaqeia, me perissoterh entash, qa th synexisoyme thn epomenh periodo.

KIAOS: H kybernhsh exei thn eikona oti shmera ginontai diadhlwseis se 44 poleis ths Ellados, dhladh, se olh thn epikrateia; H Aqhna einai mia apo aytes.

REPPAS: Exei ayth thn eikona h kybernhsh, opws kai h kybernhsh antilambanetai oti qetete thn erwthsh sas, prokeimenoy na prosdwsete ena megalo megeqos, ena ogko s` aytes tis kinhtopoihseis. Asfalws, ginontai aytes oi kinhtopoihseis. Eipa oti oi maqhtes kai oi alloi foreis ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys.

KIAOS: Qewreite oti stis 44 poleis ths Elladas einai ypokinoymenes oi kinhtopoihseis aytes twn maqhtwn;

REPPAS: Den eqese kaneis tetoio qema kai pote. Oi maqhtes ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys. Ayto to opoio katadikazoyme einai to na xrhsimopoioyntai oi diafores diaqeseis twn maqhtwn apo mhxanismoys kai kentra, ta opoia prospaqoyn na entajoyn ayth thn kinhtopoihsh stoys dikoys toys kairoskopikoys sxediasmoys.

KIAOS: Na sas qymisw, epeidh eipate oti den eqese pote kaneis tetoio qema, eseis o idios, edw sthn aiqoysa, exete pei gia ypokinhtes, frontisthria kai kommata.

REPPAS: Den exw xrhsimopoihsei ayth th lejh. Exw pei oti qigontai symferonta kai logiko einai oi dynameis twn opoiwn qigontai ta symferonta, na antidroyn m` ayto ton tropo. Na stelnoyn ayta ta mhnymata. Na ephreazoyn to klima kai na dhmioyrgoyn synqhkes, oi opoies dieykolynoyn, ek twn pragmatwn, aytoy toy eidoys tis kinhtopoihseis.

KIAOS: "Tis ypokinoymenes kinhtopoihseis", to xrhsimopoihsate ki eseis kai o k. Arsenhs. Kai gia na teleiwnw, ti shmainei thlediaskech kai pws qa ginei; Mporeite na moy peite;

REPPAS: Nomizw oti eiste gnwsths ths texnologias kai twn dynatothtwn poy parexei.

KIAOS: Anejarthtws toy ti gnwsths eimai poia einai h diadikasia poy epilegei h kybernhsh, poy leei oti qa kanei Thlediaskech. Ti qa ginei dhladh; Yparxei kati na mas peite;

REPPAS: Peran olwn twn allwn, asfalws, yparxei dynatothta me th xrhsh hlektronikwn ypologistwn poy einai syndedemenoi se koino diktyo h mesw thleoptikwn yphresiwn, na antallassontai apoceis, metajy anqrwpwn poy briskontai se megalh gewgrafikh apostash o enas apo ton allo. Ayto, loipon, to Meso qa xrhsimopoihqei kai sthn periptwsh mas, prokeimenoy na syzhthqoyn kai ta qemata ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. Gnwrizete poly kala oti aytes oi dynatothtes ths texnologias xrhsimopoioyntai se oloys toys tomeis.

KIAOS: Syggnwmh, thlediaskech kanoyn -kai synedriazoyn- oi epikefalhs twn Kentrikwn Trapezwn sthn Eyrwph. Einai allo pragma ayto kai allo pragma na bgainei o Ypoyrgos me toys maqhtes apo th Naoysa, thn Ierapetra kai thn Alejandroypolh kai na diaskeptetai. Me sygxwreite para poly, alla...

REPPAS: Alla, ti;

KIAOS: Den to katalabainw.

REPPAS: Qelete na dwsoyme enan allo orismo; Den einai thlediaskech kai einai kati allo; Kyrie Kiao, katalabainete. Kai katalabainete para poly kala. Ayto to opoio, omws, den katalabainete -kai eimai bebaios oti den to katalabainete- einai oti h kybernhsh sthn prospaqeia ths na enhmerwsei ton ellhniko lao kai toys maqhtes, xrhsimopoiei diafora mesa, ta opoia eseis -oxi sygkekrimena eseis, alla diaforoi epikrites ayths ths prospaqeias ths kybernhshs- logiko einai na ta diakwmwdoyn, na eirwneyontai praktikes, agnowntas oti se alloys tomeis einai ypermaxoi aytwn twn ejelijewn, twn opoiwn ta agaqa xrhsimopoioyn sthn kaqhmerinh zwh toys.

FILHS: Yparxei qema paraithshs toy k. Arsenh;

REPAS: Apanthsa prin se sxetikh erwthsh synadelfoy sas.

ALEJAKH: Qelw na anaferqw sto qema toy OTE me ton k. Xrysoloyrh. Yparxei mia emplokh nomizw. Blepw se oles tis efhmerides th dhlwsh toy k. Xrysoloyrh oti den exei skopo na paraithqei. Ti akribws symbainei;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kamia emplokh. O k. Xrysoloyrhs, meta apo mia epityxhmenh qhteia, paraithqhke. Exei dioristei, hdh, antikatastaths toy sto dioikhtiko symboylio toy megaloy aytoy Organismoy kai exei ypodeixqei aytos, o opoios mesw ths koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias qa kriqei gia na analabei kaqhkonta Dieyqynontos Symboyloy toy OTE. O OTE synexizei thn eksygxronistikh, anaptyjiakh poreia toy, sth bash twn oswn mexri shmera exei epityxei.

ALEJAKH: O k. Xrysoloyrhs -ayto grafetai se oles tis efhmerides shmera- leei oti qelei na parameinei symboylos ston Organismo, oti den htan akribws etsi to qema me thn paraithsh toy kai afhnei diafora yponooymena. Taytoxrona me ton k. Xrysoloyrh, diabazw pali oti exei epembei kai h Eisaggelia gia na kanei kapoies ereynes sxetika me tis symbaseis toy OTE, poy exei kanei me alles xwres. Yparxei kati perissotero na mas peite gyrw apo ayto to qema; Gnwrizete kati;

REPPAS: O k. Xrysoloyrhs ekfrazei tis apoceis toy -opws blepw ki egw sta dhmosieymata- oi opoies, omws, den exoyn sxesh me th diekdikhsh mias qeshs, gia thn opoia exoyn lhfqei apofaseis. Egine dekth h paraithsh poy ypebale o k. Xrysoloyrhs. H ypoqesh ayth exei kleisei ton kyklo ths. Exei anoijei enas neos kyklos. O OTE exei gnwrisei polloys kykloys, ola ayta ta xronia poy leitoyrgei. Synexizei thn poreia toy.

FILHS: Yparxei se ejelijh mia prosfygh toy k. Tsobola sto Symboylio Epikrateias. Diabazoyme oti o armodios eishghths zhta na ginei apodekth h prosfygh, na akyrwqei h synqesh toy ESR kai ws synepeia amesh einai na akyrwqoyn -karampola dhladh- kai oles oi apofaseis poy exei labei to ESR. Qelw na rwthsw an h kybernhsh qa anamenei na ekdoqei h apofash toy StE h an protiqetai, mprosta stis diagrafomenes ejelijeis, na prowqhsei kapoio metro apokatastashs ths nomimothtas toy ESR.

REPPAS: Gia to qema ayto exoyme syzhthsei sto parelqon arketes fores. Sas parapempw se analytikes apanthseis poy, kat` epanalhch, exw dwsei se sxetika erwthmata. Anamenoyme na oloklhrwqei h diadikasia poy twra ejelissetai sto StE. H nomimothta, bebaiws, pantote ginetai sebasth apo th kybernhsh mas. Kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh ayto qa ginei. Ean to StE epibalei na proxwrhsoyme se allages, qa proxwrhsoyme se aytes tis allages. Diathroyme tis apoceis mas. Den tis anaptyssw gia mia akomh fora, epeidh akribws sebomai, gia logoys deontologias, hqoys kai hqikhs, ayth th diadikasia poy apasxolei shmera to StE.

ELENOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an gnwrizete to endexomeno na exei dexqei o Prwqypoyrgos eishghseis apo synergates toy gia allagh pleyshs ths kybernhtikhs politikhs.

REPPAS: Den antilambanomai thn erwthsh sas.

ELENOPOYLOS: Na thn kanw diaforetika: Ean gnwrizete na syzhteitai ayth th stigmh, sto epipedo ths hgesias toy kybernwntos kommatos kai eidika sthn kybernhsh, qema allaghs pleyshs, idiaitera se epimeroys krisimoys tomeis ths kaqhmerinhs zwhs.

REPPAS: Den yparxei kamia dynatothta gia allagh pleyshs ths kybernhtikhs politikhs. Exoyme perasei to meso ths qhteias ths kybernhshs mas, exoyme sygkekrimena qetika apotelesmata toy ergoy poy kaname ayta ta dyo xronia kai qa synexisoyme sthn idia grammh pleyshs. Bebaiws, pantote yparxoyn periqwria beltiwshs ston tropo me ton opoio efarmozetai mia eilhmmenh apofash. Ayto einai kati poy ki emeis epidiwkoyme. Ayto, omws, den exei kamia sxesh me allagh twn basikwn prosanatolismwn ths kybernhtikhs politikhs.

Eyxaristw poly.

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