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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 8 Dekembrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Eisagwgikws, qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw, synoptika, gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy ayth thn ebdomada.

* Shmera, to brady, qa milhsei sto deipno poy paraqetei to Ellhnoamerikaniko Emporiko Epimelhthrio.

* Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, qa exei synergasia me ton Ypoyrgo Paideias Gerasimo Arsenh kai argotera (13.00) me to Grammatea ths K. E. toy PASOK Kwsta Skandalidh. To apogeyma, sthn "Wra toy Prwqypoyrgoy" qa apanthsei se erwthseis ths k. Paparhga, gia qemata poy aforoyn thn Paideia, kai toy k. Kwnstantopoyloy, gia qemata poy aforoyn thn poreia ths eyrwpaikhs enopoihshs.

* Thn Pempth, to prwi, opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos, epikefalhs ths ellhnikhs antiproswpeias, qa anaxwrhsei gia th Biennh, opoy qa labei meros sto Eyrwpaiko Symboylio Koryfhs.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Th Deytera erxetai sthn Aqhna o k. Xolmproyk, o opoios qa episkefqei, epishs, th Leykwsia kai thn Agkyra. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw an yparxei atzenta synanthsewn toy edw kai ti perimenei h Aqhna apo thn episkech toy.

REPPAS: Pragmati, exei programmatistei episkech toy k. Xolmproyk sthn perioxh. Qa ginei dektos kai sthn Ellada apo thn hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. H episkech ayth entassetai sto plaisio twn prwtoboyliwn poy kata kairoys analambanoyn oi HPA gia thn anazhthsh lyshs toy kypriakoy problhmatos. Oi qeseis epi twn opoiwn h ellhnikh kybernhsh zhta na anaptyssontai aytes oi prwtoboylies, den einai alles apo ekeines poy exoyn ekfrastei kai apo ton OHE. To plaisio ayto apotelei th bash twn syzhthsewn poy qa ginoyn kai sthn Aqhna. Anamenoyme me endiaferon opoies apoceis h idees -oi opoies, bebaiws, sthrizontai s` ayth th bash- qa metaferei o k. Xolmproyk, prokeimenoy ki emeis na symbaloyme sthn epitaxynsh aytwn twn diadikasiwn. Einai qetiko to gegonos toy zwhroy endiaferontos poy epideiknyetai apo th dieqnh koinothta gia thn epilysh toy Kypriakoy. Anamenoyme, pera apo tis diabebaiwseis h tis qewrhtikoy xarakthra diapistwseis kai qeseis, na prokycoyn kai xeiropiasta apotelesmata. Na syntelestei sygkekrimenh proodos, giati epi polla xronia syzhteitai ayto to qema, alla paramenei alyto. Paramenei sto idio shmeio poy htan thn wra poy ekdhlwqhke h krish, h opoia kai to dhmioyrghse.

KIAOS: Eixate pei oti h kybernhsh den protiqetai na dexqei diorqwseis, allages, tropopoihseis sthn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish. Emmenei h kybernhsh s` ayto h ejetazei to endexomeno, kapoia qemata poy exoyn sxesh me tis eykairies, oi opoies parexontai stoys maqhtes, apofoitoys gia na eisaxqoyn sta panepisthmia h kai se alloys, palaioterwn etwn, poy qeloyn na mpoyn sta panepisthmia. Skopeyei h kybernhsh na epanejetasei ayto to qema, opws proteinei, fer` eipein, shmera h "Eleyqerotypia", alla kai alles efhmerides;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh antimetwpizei ola ta endexomena poy aforoyn thn orqoterh kai apotelesmatikoterh efarmogh ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs poy exoyme apofasisei. O Ypoyrgos Paideias, kinoymenos s` ayto to plaisio, kanei ta panta prokeimenoy na katastei plhrws gnwsth h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish stoys paragontes ths ekpaideytikh koinothtas, stoys goneis kai idiaitera toys maqhtes. Pisteyw oti h proodos einai shmantikh ston tomea ayto. H kybernhsh den antimetwpizei to paramikro estw endexomeno poy qa anoigei thn porta se tetoies allages oi opoies qa syrriknwnan h qa afydatwnan to nohma ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs kai oysiastika qa odhgoysan se anatroph ths. H kybernhsh den prokeitai na dexqei allages, oi opoies qa apoteloysan mia "embolimh politikh", poy qa htan kai "jhlwma", taytoxrona, ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. Giati, pisteyoyme oti meta apo wrimh meleth katalhjame s` ayto to nomo poy einai plhrhs, exei ola ta stoixeia poy ton kaqistoyn anagkaio kai prepei na efarmostei. Alla, bebaiws, h diadikasia epikoinwnias, enhmerwshs, synergasias me toys foreis ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas einai diarkhs, apotelei monimo melhma mas kai s` ayth thn kateyqynsh qa kinhqoyme kai thn epomenh periodo.

MIXAHL: Eipate oti exei ginei mia "wrimh meleth" aytwn twn metrwn ths metarryqmishs. Par` ola ayta prepei na sas rwthsw, diekdikeite to alaqhto; Dhladh, olh ayth h wrimh meleth den mporei na mhn exei labei ypoch kapoia dedomena h telos pantwn na ginei kai mia allh meleth poy qa prosferei kapoies alles allages epishs oysiwdeis;

REPPAS: Oi keraies mas einai anoiktes, einai eyaisqhtes kai lambanoyn ola ta mhnymata poy ekpempontai. Prepei, omws, na pw oti ta mhnymata ayta, dystyxws, einai mhnymata poy den exoyn periexomeno to opoio prosferetai gia ajiopoihsh. Menw s` ena paradeigma, thn kritikh poy askei o Arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs, o opoios mas kalei na proxwrhsoyme s` enan eqniko, opws ton onomazei, dialogo. Einai ths modas h synexhs ayth anafora sthn anagkh diejagwghs enos dialogoy. Sto synolo twn dhlwsewn poy exei kanei o idios h alloi politikoi paragontes den exoyme diapistwsei na periexetai mia protash, epi ths oysias, pleon, toy ekpaideytikoy zhthmatos. Oloi menoyn sthn anagkh na diejaxqei o dialogos. Oydeis kanei ena xrhsimo bhma, na bohqhsei kai th dikh mas prospaqeia, eishgoymenos ekeines tis ryqmiseis poy kata th gnwmh toy einai xrhsimes kai anagkaies. An, pragmatika, ola ayta ta opoia eishgeitai to Ypoyrgeio Paideias me thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish, ta ejetasei kaqe kalopistos kai ta krinei me aysthra metra, pisteyw oti qa dikaiwsei tis epiloges mas. Eipa oti h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish antapokrinetai stis anagkes ths ellhnikhs koinwnias kai eimaste etoimoi na syzhthsoyme gia thn apotelesmatikoterh efarmogh ths me oloys toys paragontes. Dystyxws, oi paragontes poy ekfrazoyn gnwmh, thn ekfrazoyn epi diadikastikwn mono qematwn -kyriws, epi ths anagkhs na diejaxqei o dialogos, symfwnoyme s` ayto, alla den einai arketo- h epi twn shmeiwn ekeinwn poy apoteloyn, kata th gnwmh mas, anagkaies, rizospastikes, kairies tomes kai allages, opws einai h katarghsh ths epethridas, h ajiologhsh toy ergoy twn kaqhghtwn mesa sta sxoleia. Pisteyoyme, oti aytes oi allages den einai dynaton na anaklhqoyn. Gi` ayto, akribws, qa proxwrhsoyme sth bash ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs poy exoyme apofasisei kai qa thn efarmosoyme.

FILHS: Ektos toy ekpaideytikoy problhmatos, exei anoijei kai ena allo metwpo, poy afora to asfalistiko. H Kybernhsh, proxqes, ekane kapoies tropologies ston arxiko sxediasmo ths, gia na peisei toys eforiakoys kai toys epeise kai gia na peisei kai toys telwneiakoys, poy me idiorryqmo tropo toys epeise. Ayrio, katebainoyn ypallhloi se polla ypoyrgeia diamartyromenoi gia th sygxwneysh twn Epikoyrikwn Tameiwn. Yparxei ena stoixeio, oti aytoi oi ypallhloi dinoyn xrhmata tosa xronia kai den ajiopoioyn kapoion, as poyme, koinwniko poro gia na qemeliwnoyn to sxetiko dikaiwma toys. Sthn periptwsh aytwn twn ypallhlwn, toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy, toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, toy dikoy sas Ypoyrgeioy, poy -epanalambanw- exoyn plhrwsei tosa xronia gia thn epikoyrikh toys asfalish, skefteste na kanete kapoia analogh ypoxwrhsh, opws me toys eforiakoys kai toys telwneiakoys;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, den exoyme probei se opoiadhpote ypoxwrhsh h allagh ths politikhs poy exoyme ejaggeilei gia thn enopoihsh twn Tameiwn Epikoyrikhs Asfalishs twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn se eniaio Tameio. Oloi miloyme gia tis anagkes allagwn sto Asfalistiko Systhma kai otan proxwroyme se aytes tis allages, aytomatws ginomaste stoxos kritikhs, apo ekeinoys poy exoyn diapistwsei thn anagkaiothta aytwn twn allagwn. Den akoyme oyte sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh kapoia allh protash. Oloi, me ton enan h allo tropo, oysiastika mas kaloyn na parameinoyme sto kaqestws poy yparxei shmera. Parablepoyn oti h idia h kybernhsh apofasise na proikodothsei ayto to neo tameio me ena kolossiaio poso, to opoio jeperna ta 40 dis. draxmes, prokeimenoy etsi, to isxyro, pleon, Tameio na antapokriqei stis ypoxrewseis poy analambanei. H anagkh gia ejygiansh toy Asfalistikoy Systhmatos einai qema to opoio mas apasxolei. Qa proxwrhsoyme, giati oi ejaggelies poy exoyme kanei, aforoyn to plaisio ths politikhs mas gia tis allages sto Asfalistiko Systhma. Taytoxrona, eimaste anoiktoi se dialogo gia epimeroys ptyxes toy megaloy aytoy qematos. Proxwroyme me ypeyqyna bhmata. Oi allages poy kanoyme einai tetoies, wste na mporei to Asfalistiko Systhma na tis afomoiwsei, para toys kradasmoys poy panta parathroyntai se mia metabatikh periodo. Den einai allages, oi opoies qa anatrecoyn thn katastash, poy yparxei shmera sto Asfalistiko Systhma, mexri tetoioy baqmoy, wste na qigoyn ta symferonta twn asfalismenwn. Gi` ayto akribws parexetai kai ayth h shmantikh xrhmatodothsh twn 42 dis. draxmwn, prokeimenoy to kainoyrgio Tameio poy prokyptei na antapokriqei stis ypoxrewseis poy analambanei.

FILHS: Oi ypallhloi aytoi lene oti den exei yparjei analogistikh meleth epi toys qematos. Pws proxwrate se enopoihsh tameiwn, xwris na jerete poia einai h prooptikh ayths ths enopoihshs;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti ayta ta qemata exoyn syzhthqei apo thn hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Ergasias, me toys ekproswpoys twn diaforwn kladwn. Exoyn prokycei symfwnies, exoyn prokycei kai diafwnies. Ola ayta exoyn lhfqei ypoch sto plaisio twn ryqmisewn, stis opoies exei katalhjei to armodio ypoyrgeio.

AR. MANWLAKOS (Proedros ESHEA): Kyrie Ypoyrge...

REPPAS: Parakalw k. Proedre. Edw, jerete, sto plaisio ths politikhs enhmerwshs den synhqizetai na syzhtoyme syndikalistika h epimeroys qemata. An gia tis anagkes ths politikhs enhmerwshs toy ellhnikoy laoy qelete na kanoyme ayto to dialogo ektetamena, eyxaristws. Nomizw, omws, oti ayta einai qemata ta opoia aforoyn tis synanthseis poy exoyme, sto plaisio ths synergasias ths kybernhshs me tis koinwnikes omades kai toys ekproswpoys toys.

AR. MANWLAKOS: Ayto poy qa rwthsw, aptetai ths politikhs enhmerwshs. Kyrie Ypoyrge, h kybernhsh kai h N. D. exoyn thn idia apoch gyrw apo to qema, to opoio eqesan me erwthsh toys boyleytes ths N. D. ws pros thn merikh apasxolhsh kai h opoia tropologia syzhteitai sto shmerino nomosxedio; Gnwrizete oti o k. Karatzaferhs kai mia omada boyleytwn ths N. D. eqesan ena qema poy sxetizetai me th merikh apasxolhsh. H GSEE kai olos o koinwnikos dialogos, o opoios diejagetai gyrw apo to qema, apo thn pleyra twn ergatikwn enwsewn, antidra stis ryqmiseis poy exoyn sxesh me th merikh apasxolhsh. Qa apodexqeite ayth thn protash ths N. D.;

REPPAS: Kyrie Manwlako, den jerw se ti anafereste, milwntas me ayton to geniko tropo, para to oti gnwrizw poio einai to qema poy qetoyn oi synadelfoi me thn erwthsh h thn prosqhkh-tropologia, poy exoyn kataqesei. To qema ths merikhs apasxolhshs exei teqei kai exoyn lhfqei sxetikes apofaseis. H merikh apasxolhsh isxyei se oles tis xwres ths E. E. Sthn Ellada exoyme to xamhlotero, isws, pososto merikws apasxoloymenwn, apo oles tis xwres ths E. E. Ayto, an qelete, epidra kai -parempiptontws kai en parenqesei kanw ayto to sxolio- sth metrhsh twn posostwn anergias stis diafores xwres. Mporw na anaferw to xarakthristiko paradeigma ths dikhs mas xwras, poy exei to xamhlotero pososto merikhs apasxolhshs, to opoio einai poly pio katw apo to 10%, se antiqesh me thn Ollandia, p. x. poy paroysiazei men xamhlotera pososta anergias, alla exei pososto merikhs apasxolhshs poy einai para poly ychlo, poly panw apo to 30%. Exw th gnwmh oti to qema ayto, ths merikhs apasxolhshs, exei antimetwpistei kai exei kleisei. Se oti afora to eidiko qema ths protashs twn boyleytwn, poy exei katateqei sth Boylh, antimetwpizetai apo to armodio ypoyrgeio. Pisteyw oti se synennohsh me toys endiaferomenoys foreis -ayth einai arxh sthn politikh ths kybernhshs, h synennohsh me toys endiaferomenoys foreis- qa anazhthqei kai qa breqei h kalyterh lysh.

AR. MANWLAKOS: Se ayto to nomosxedio;

REPPAS: To ypoyrgeio Ergasias, to opoio exei ginei dekths ayths ths erwthshs, qa staqmisei kai qa krinei, poies einai oi ryqmiseis stis opoies prepei na probei. Kai qa probei se ryqmiseis, afoy labei ypoch toy tis antidraseis, qetikes h arnhtikes, twn forewn poy endiaferontai amesa gia tetoioy eidoys ryqmiseis.

KIAOS: Poia einai h politikh ths kybernhsews sto sygkekrimeno qema; Pws orizete th merikh apasxolhsh, me poses wres; Dioti exei sxesh, symfwna me thn tropologia poy kateqesan, me tis eisfores, epipleon.

REPPAS: Den qa ypokatasthsoyme thn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Gnwrizete poly kala an qelete na mpoyme s` ayto to qema, oti yparxei problhma, to opoio exoyme epishmanei edw kai para poly kairo. To qema twn ergodotikwn eisforwn sto xwro ths Enhmerwshs, toy dhmosiografikoy epaggelmatos mas apasxolei. Gnwrizete oti yparxoyn ergazomenoi sto xwro ths Enhmerwshs, dhmosiografoi -ayto einai to epaggelma poy dhlwnoyn, afoy den einai katoxyrwmeno to epaggelma kai para polloi mporoyn na dhlwnoyn oti einai dhmosiografoi- twn opoiwn oi ergodotes kataballoyn sto IKA thn ergodotikh eisfora poy analogei. Yparxoyn kai dhmosiografoi twn opoiwn oi ergodotes den kataballoyn ergodotikh eisfora sto IKA, epeidh akribws logizetai ws ergodotikh eisfora o koinwnikos poros toy aggellioshmoy, o opoios eisreei sta tameia twn dikaioyxwn asfalistikwn organismwn. Ayta ta qemata, asfalws, einai qemata ta opoia prepei na mas apasxolhsoyn. Oi ryqmiseis den einai eykoles. Prepei na einai logikes kai dikaies. To qema ayto, loipon, to xeirizetai poly ypeyqyna to armodio ypoyrgeio poy kaleitai na antimetwpisei kai th sygkekrimenh protash boyleytwn ths N. D.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lete oti to armodio Ypoyrgeio qa kalesei toys endiaferomenoys foreis. Dhladh, qa kalesei thn POESY, thn ESHEA, ton EDOEAP, na syzhthsei ayto to qema mazi toys o armodios Ypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Epeidh hmoyn ektos Elladas, den gnwrizw an yphrje ws xqes h epikoinwnia ayth toy Ypoyrgeioy Ergasias me toys armodioys foreis. Alla, ola ayta ta qemata pisteyw oti -to eipa allwste, einai arxh ths kybernhshs h epikoinwnia kai h synennohsh me toys endiaferomenoys foreis- exoyn antimetwpistei mesa apo diadikasies epikoinwnias. Kai exw th gnwmh pws sto shmeio ayto oydeis mporei na cejei thn kybernhsh oti proxwra se apofaseis xwris na exei labei ypoch ths tis apoceis h tis antidraseis twn endiaferomenwn forewn.

Alla qa moy epitrecete na epanelqoyme sta qemata ths politikhs enhmerwshs. Ola ta eidika qemata, qa ta syzhthsoyme me ton tropo poy prepei na ta syzhthsoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy sas afora ki esas, kyrie Ypoyrge, qema Typoy einai.

REPPAS: Me afora apolytws. Alla, parakalw, gnwrizete oti gia ta qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Typoy, dinw, kata kairoys, synenteyjeis stoys armodioys syntaktes. Den xreiazetai na syzhtoyme ayta ta qemata se tetoia ektash, h opoia oysiastika ypokaqista th syzhthsh ths politikhs enhmerwshs, me th syzhthsh gia ta qemata poy aforoyn kai to Ypoyrgeio mas.

KIAOS: Einai stis proqeseis ths Kybernhsews na proxwrhsei se diadikasies poy xarizoyn xreh twn ergodotwn se asfalistikoys organismoys, opws to IKA;

REPPAS: To qema ayto to antimetwpizei o armodios Ypoyrgos Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn kai qa proxwrhsei se ryqmiseis oi opoies qa ginoyn -afoy h koinoboyleytikh diadikasia gia tetoia qemata einai se ejelijh- me tetoio tropo wste na diasfalizontai ta symferonta twn asfalistikwn organismwn kai bebaiws kai toy IKA.

BITSENTZOY: Qelw na mpw ligo sth logikh ayths ths ejygianshs poy epidiwkete. Giati den kanete ayth thn ejygiansh prwta sta problhmatika tameia kai meta na ta enwsete me ta ygih, anti na enwnete ta ygih me ta problhmatika kai na ta isopedwnete pros ta katw prosferontas toys, parallhla, 40 dis "dwraki" to opoio den nomizw oti anakoyfizei ta ygih tameia.

REPPAS: Den dexomai oti oi ryqmiseis stis opoies proxwroyme gia tis allages sto asfalistiko systhma ypakoyoyn sth logikh h opoia diepei th dikh sas erwthsh. Oi allages aytes sto asfalistiko systhma einai wrimes kai gi` ayto anagkaies. Gnwrizete poly kala, oti o ariqmos twn syntajioyxwn se sxesh me ayton twn ergazomenwn einai olo kai megalyteros. Ara, h allagh ayth poy exei epelqei ta teleytaia xronia odhgei se polles periptwseis, tameia na briskontai se adynamia na antapokriqoyn pleon stis ypoxrewseis toys. Emeis, afoy exoyme melethsei to qema, proxwroyme s` aytes tis allages, prokeimenoy na katasthsoyme ygih kai isxyra ta tameia gia na mporoyn na antapokrinontai stis ypoxrewseis toys. Ayto einai poy labame ypoch mas, kyriws, alla kai oti ta tameia anaferontai, exoyn anagwgh, se kladoys ergazomenwn. Giati parathreitai to fainomeno, epi polla xronia sthn patrida mas, ergazomenoi poy kanoyn thn idia doyleia kai ston idio xwro syxna, na antimetwpizontai me poly diaforetiko tropo. Pisteyw oti peran olwn twn allwn, poy aforoyn thn prooptikh toy asfalistikoy systhmatos, einai kai qema dhmokratias kai diafaneias na proxwrhsoyme se aytes tis ryqmiseis oi opoies einai apolytws anagkaies kai pantws ejygiantikes.

BITSENTZOY: Etsi opws to ejhgeite einai san kapoioi ergazomenoi na kaloyntai na plhrwsoyn gia tis asfaleies allwn ergazomenwn, enw nomizw oti gia tis asfaleies kapoiwn anqrwpwn olh h Politeia prepei na plhrwnei, oloi oi forologoymenoi polites. Gia to logo ayto allwste apergoyn ayrio oloi aytoi oi ergazomenoi. Dioti profanws apo ta pleonasmata twn tameiwn toys qa plhrwqoyn kapoia elleimmatika tameia.

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, otan milate gi` ayth th diamartyria, thn apergia twn ergazomenwn kalo einai na exete ypoch sas orismena stoixeia. Egw gnwrizw apo thn yphresia toy Ypoyrgeioy mas, oti stash ergasias sto synolo twn ergazomenwn sto Ypoyrgeio mas ekanan xqes 38 ypallhloi kai shmera 64. Ayto ti shmainei; Oti oloi oi alloi ypallhloi qewroyn oti qigontai men ta symferonta toys, alla den drasthriopoioyntai giati den endiaferontai na yperaspistoyn ta symferonta toys; Oxi. Shmainei pws isws exoyn thn apoch oti den qigontai ta symferonta toys. Exoyme pei kai to epanalambanw, oti den prokeitai na qigoyn symferonta asfalismenwn. Den prokeitai na meiwqoyn oi syntajeis. Kai ayto akribws to epitygxanoyme me thn proikodothsh toy neoy aytoy forea, prokeimenoy kaqe asfalismenos na exei, toylaxiston, ayto poy mexri twra eixe. Den allazei tipota ws pros ayto.

FASOYLAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pws qa antidrasei h Kybernhsh sthn apofash ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs poy ekrine paranomh th diagrafh twn 200 disekatommyriwn drx. pros toys agrotikoys synetairismoys;

REPPAS: Otan epishmws perielqei ayth h apofash kai se mas -gnwrizete poly kala oti einai nomika qemata ayta- qa th melethsoyme kai qa analaboyme sxetikes prwtoboylies. H Ellada einai mia xwra h opoia prwtostatei sth nomimothta, poy prepei na diakrinei th leitoyrgia ths E. E. se oloys toys tomeis.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mexri twra h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh enistato sthn apeleyqerwsh twn dyo xrhmatodotikwn kanonismwn gia thn Toyrkia, syndeontas thn apeleyqerwsh aytwn twn kondyliwn me thn ikanopoihsh kapoiwn orwn stis dimereis diafores ths me thn Toyrkia. Xqes o k. Papandreoy, symfwna me tis antapokriseis, afhse anoixto to endexomeno na arqoyn oi ellhnikes epifylajeis, efoson ta xrhmata ayta diateqoyn gia thn anasygkrothsh perioxwn opoy katoikoyn Koyrdoi, sta notianatolika ths Toyrkias. Ayth einai mia kainoyrgia stash ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs h ena epixeirhma poy eipwqhke sth diarkeia toy Symboylioy; Dhladh o Prwqypoyrgos sth Synodo ths Biennhs qa akoloyqhsei thn idia qesh poy yposthrije o k. Papandreoy;

REPPAS: Me kaleite na sxoliasw th dhlwsh poy ekane o k. Papandreoy. Prwta ap` ola -to gnwrizete isws, alla, to shmeiwnw- o k. Papandreoy dhlwse oti ekfrazei proswpikh apoch kai den desmeyei thn Kybernhsh. Deyteron, ayto poy apasxolhse to Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn, xqes, stis Bryjelles, metajy allwn, htan h antimetwpish toy qematos poy exei prokycei me th syllhch toy Koyrdoy hgeth Otsalan sthn Italia. O k. Papandreoy ekane mia syndesh kai sto plaisio ths syzhthshs poy anaptyxqhke ekei, diatypwse kai mia tetoia protash, h opoia kriqhke apo thn pleyra toy epoikodomhtikh. Dhladh, pws an yphrxe mhxanismos gia na elegxqei oti ta kondylia ayta ajiopoioyntai gia thn ypobohqhsh perioxwn poy zoyn Koyrdoi, tote einai ena qema pleon poy mporei na ejetasqei ypo ayto to prisma. Einai kati omws poy qa prepei na antimetwpistei, throymenwn twn analogiwn kai se synarthsh me tis apofaseis poy qa labei h E. E. sta alla qemata poy qa apasxolhsoyn to Symboylio Koryfhs meqayrio. Gia ola ayta ta qemata, oi qeseis tis opoies exoyme diatypwsei ws Kybernhsh paramenoyn. Ton tropo me ton opoio qa anaptyjoyme ta epixeirhmata mas h ta "opla" ta opoia qa xrhsimopoihsoyme, parakalw na ton anamenete ki eseis liges hmeres, wste na gnwrizete poios einai, giati antilambaneste pws h Synodos Koryfhs poy epikeitai einai poly krisimh, ta qemata einai kairia kai shmantika kai gia mas. Den einai mia eykolh Synodos. Kai pisteyw oti h politikh poy mexri twra exoyme diatypwsei, apotelei thn asfalh bash, wste panw s` ayth na anaptyjoyme ta epixeirhmata mas. Ton tropo me ton opoio qa ajiopoihsoyme aytes tis qeseis, parakalw na anamenete na ton deite ki eseis kai na ton krinete bebaiws se liges hmeres.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate oti o k. Papandreoy ejefrase proswpikh toy apoch. Thn Kybernhsh poios thn ekproswpoyse ekei;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, o k. Papandreoy, apantwntas se erwthsh dhmosiografoy ektos ths Diaskechs, ekane ayth thn parathrhsh. Den eiste enhmerwmenos, gi` ayto profanws qetete thn erwthsh, etsi opws thn qetete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai.

REPPAS: Egw aposafhnisa prohgoymenws, pws akribws exei to qema. Thn Ellada -an ayto einai poy sas endiaferei- thn ekproswphse o Ypoyrgos Anaplhrwths Ejwterikwn Giwrgos Papandreoy kai thn ekproswphse para poly apotelesmatika. Gi` ayto akribws to Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn, xqes, elabe tetoies apofaseis gia shmantika qemata, oi opoies an den einai taytoshmes, einai en pash periptwsei para poly konta stis qeseis tis opoies prowqei kai h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh.

Gnwrizete oti gia to megalo qema poy afora to Koyrdiko zhthma, to Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn apofasise pws den apotelei italotoyrkikh diafora, alla einai qema poy aptetai twn eyrwtoyrkikwn sxesewn kai qa prepei yp` ayto to pneyma kai katw apo ayto to prisma, na antimetwpistei. Ayth h ejelijh mas briskei apolytws symfwnoys, opws symfwnoys mas briskoyn kai oi qeseis poy diatypwqhkan sta alla qemata. Prepei na sas pw, loipon, kai kleinw etsi, oti asfalws o k. Papandreoy ekproswphse thn Kybernhsh kai thn ekproswphse me ton kalytero tropo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai erwtw: Ayto poy eipe ejw o k. Papandreoy to eipe kai mesa sto Symboylio;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, den exete parakoloyqhsei pws diejagontai oi syzhthseis sta Symboylia twn Ypoyrgwn, sta Symboylia Genikwn Ypoqesewn kai gi` ayto akribws...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eimai kainoyrgios...

REPPAS: Oxi, den einai oti eiste kainoyrgios. Den sas dinw to pronomio ths efhbeias kai ths neothtas! Apla lew oti asxoleiste me alla qemata, sto plaisio toy epaggelmatos poy askeite. Gnwrizoyn omws oi synadelfoi sas, oi opoioi parakoloyqoyn aytes tis diadikasies oti o dialogos poy anaptyssetai, eite sto plaisio ths epishmhs syzhthshs, eite sta dialeimmata poy syzhtoyn oi diaforoi paragontes, dinei th dynatothta stoys metexontes na antallassoyn apoceis kai prowqwntas tis qeseis toys na epidiwkoyn na einai xrhsimoi kai epoikodomhtikoi, wste h symmetoxh toys ayth na exei ajia. Ayto to rolo exei epilejei h Ellada na diadramatisei sthn E. E.. Na eimaste parontes, na eimaste xrhsimoi kai epoikodomhtikoi, giati pisteyoyme oti ayth einai h kalyterh meqodos gia na prowqoyme tis qeseis mas, na ginontai gnwstes, katanohtes kai telikws apodektes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw allo rwtaw, an ayto elexqh kai mesa sto Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn apo ton k. Papandreoy.

REPPAS: Phrate apanthsh. Den sas ikanopoiei, ayto omws emena den me dysarestei.

KARGOYDH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pws qa synocizate ta apotelesmata ths episkechs toy k. Shmith sth Germania;

REPPAS: Poly qetika. Htan h prwth epafh twn dyo hgetwn. Doqhke h dynatothta na antallajoyn apoceis gia qemata koinoy endiaferontos, gia thn Eyrwph, gia tis dimereis sxeseis, gia tis ejelijeis sth Notioanatolikh Mesogeio.

Pisteyw oti oi dhlwseis poy eginan einai apokalyptikes toy kaloy klimatos poy epikrathse kai deixnei oti yparxei mia proseggish poly shmantikh, h opoia apotelei kai enan kalo oiwno gia thn peraiterw anaptyjh twn sxesewn twn dyo xwrwn sto mellon. Kai ekei akomh poy diatypwqhkan diaforopoihseis metajy twn dyo pleyrwn, pisteyw oti o orizontas einai anoixtos, wste na odhghqoyme se mia symporeysh to epomeno diasthma. Kyriws to qema twn Koinotikwn Kondyliwn gnwrizete oti apasxolei ta organa ths E. E., idiaitera ayth thn teleytaia periodo. Gnwrizete epishs, oti o Koinotikos Proypologismos, enw prepei na brisketai sto ycos toy 1,27% toy Koinotikoy A. E. P., ypoleipetai. Ayto dhmioyrgei streblwseis kai arketa problhmata, kyriws stis ligotero aneptygmenes xwres. Aytoi poy epiqymoyn peraiterw meiwsh twn koinotikwn porwn, qa prepei na anakalesoyn ayth th qesh toys, giati etsi den prokeitai h Eyrwph na odhghqei sthn polypoqhth politikh, koinwnikh kai oikonomikh sygklish kai synoxh. Mia Eyrwph xwris synoxh, einai mia Eyrwph xwris mellon. Epimenoyme, loipon, stis qeseis poy exoyme labei. Oi qeseis aytes einai kai desmeyseis ths E. E. kai qa prepei na efarmostoyn.

KOYTSOMYTOPOYLOS: Ena "nien" kai ena "Ja" diabasa oti eisepraje h Kybernhsh xqes, meta apo th syzhthsh toy k. Shmith me ton k. Srenter. To "Ja" htan profanws sth mh proklhsh ths Germanias, symfwna me ta eqnika ths symferonta na yposthrijei thn anabaqmish ths Toyrkias ws ypochfio melos gia thn E. E. Ta "nien" -to kyriotero "nien"- ap` oti katalaba htan sto qema twn germanikwn polemikwn epanorqwsewn. Mporei na to eklabei kaneis ws symchfismo, giati apo ton tropo poy paroysiazetai, fainetai oti mallon ikanopoiei kapoioys to oti kati xasame, kati phrame.

Kai to deytero erwthma einai, ti protiqetai na kanei sto mellon h Kybernhsh gia thn parapera diekdikhsh toy daneioy kai twn germanikwn epanorqwsewn, an laboyme ypoch mas oti ekkremoyn kapoies dikes sthn Ellada, kapoies dhlwseis toy Nomarxh Boiwtias oti protiqetai na katasxesei kapoia kondylia ths E. E. gia th Germania sto baqmo poy den qa antapokriqei s` ayto to nomimo dikaiwma kai s` ayth th nomimh diekdikhsh;

REPPAS: Prwton, den einai dynato na miloyme gia symchfismo. Epanalambanw, oti h maxh poy dinetai sthn E. E. einai mia maxh opoy kaqe pleyra yperaspizetai kai prowqei ta symferonta ths kai ayth h maxh einai diarkhs. Ara, prepei pantote na dinoyme ayth th maxh. Apla qa prepei na epidiwkoyme kai epitygxanoyme na dinoyme ayth th maxh me kalyteres proypoqeseis, kaqe fora.

Qesame to qema twn apozhmiwsewn apo th Germania pros thn Ellada. Den xasame, giati aploystata den eixame tis apozhmiwseis, wste na mporei kapoios na pei twra oti tis sterhqhkame. Qa elega oti politika prokyptei kerdos, doqentos oti to qema ayto einai pleon bebaio oti apotelei stoixeio twn dimerwn sxesewn.

Epishmainw ayto poy eipe o k. Srenter, oti "shmeiwse to qema poy eqese o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos". To qema, loipon, paramenei sto trapezi twn ellhnogermanikwn syzhthsewn kai qa mas apasxolhsei kai sto mellon.

Me diaforoys tropoys, h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh ypeyqyna kai kata to dynaton apotelesmatika, qa xeiristei kai ayto to qema.

FILHS: O k. Srenter eipe "pisteyw oti sto plaisio twn symbatikwn symfwniwn, alla kai sto plaisio ths filias poy exei anaptyxqei metajy twn kratwn mas, to zhthma ayto exei kleisei", gia to daneio dhladh milame.

REPPAS: Gia synexiste.

FILHS: "Bebaiws shmeiwsa to gegonos oti o Ellhnas omologos moy, moy eqije ayto to zhthma". To zhthma exei kleisei eipe o k. Srenter kai shmeiwse ti eipe o k. Shmiths.

REPPAS: To zhthma eipe o k. Srenter, exei kleisei gia th Germania. To zhthma gia thn Ellada den exei kleisei. Rwthsate poia einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs Kybernhsh kai sas thn eipa molis prin. Lypoymai poy sas jenizei h den sas aresei ayth h qesh. Pisteya oti qa sas ikanopoioyse.

FILHS: Praktika ti prokeitai na kanete;

REPPAS: Den prokeitai na kanoyme... polemo me th Germania prokeimenoy na paroyme tis apozhmiwseis, epeidh milate gia praktikoys tropoys poy qa prowqhsoyn ayto to aithma. Alla, bebaiws, sto plaisio twn dimerwn sxesewn, qa qetoyme ayto to qema pisteyontas pws exoyme dikio kai oti qa wrimasoyn oi synqhkes. Pisteyoyme oti einai ena qema to opoio telikws qa apasxolhsei poly pio sobara kai thn idia th Germania. Alloi praktikoi tropoi den yparxoyn. An exete eseis ypoch sas kapoioys, parakalw na mas toys ypodeijete.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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