Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-12-10

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 10 Dekembrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TO GENIKO GRAMMATEA TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS NIKO AQANASAKH

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes, eixame se oloklhrh th xwra megala syllalhthria. Gia prwth fora ginontai toso megala syllalhthria sto xwro ths Paideias. O Prwqypoyrgos afhse kapoies aixmes gia dialogo, kapoy sto baqos toy toynel. Yparxei periptwsh na allajei kati sth metarryqmish; Dialogos xwris na allajei den ginetai.

AQANASAKHS: Prwton, den yphrjan "kapoies aixmes gia dialogo". Yparxoyn kai oi dhlwseis toy Ypoyrgoy Paideias, xqes to meshmeri, meta th synanthsh toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo, kaqws kai oi dhlwseis apo tis prohgoymenes hmeres. Yparxoyn, epishs, oi dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Boylh, opoy einai safhs h epimonh ths kybernhshs sto dialogo gia ta qemata ths Paideias, gia ta megala qemata ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. Ayto den einai kati poy proekyce xqes. Exoyme omws pei, edw kai meres, kai epanelabe xqes o Prwqypoyrgos sth Boylh -kai eixe epanalabei prohgoymenws o Ypoyrgos Paideias- oti ean men syzhtoyme gia thn anastolh h thn katarghsh ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs, tetoio qema den tiqetai. Omws, ean syzhtoyme gia ta metra efarmoghs ths metarryqmishs, ayta bebaiws syzhtoyntai, me bash thn empeiria apo thn efarmogh toys. Qelete na diabasw epi lejei th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Boylh;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, thn jeroyme.

AQANASAKHS: Dioti diabazw diafores ermhneies poy den einai panta swstes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite, k. Ekproswpe, o dialogos tote gia ti pragma na ginei; Otan leei, ek twn proterwn, den prokeitai gia epethrida, den prokeitai gia to systhma, tote ti dialogo na kanoyn, gia ti na milane; Aerologies, dhladh;

AQANASAKHS: Yparxoyn sygkekrimena qemata. O Ypoyrgos Paideias gia paradeigma, exei kalesei th Didaskalikh Omospondia se synanthsh gia dialogo me qemata ta opoia exei qesei h Didaskalikh Omospondia. Epishs, exei kalesei thn OLME se syzhthsh gia ta qemata ths epimorfwshs twn ekpaideytikwn, poy einai ena apo ta sobara qemata ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs, dhlwnontas taytoxrona th diaqesimothta toy gia th syzhthsh olwn twn allwn qematwn. Omws, ayth th stigmh briskomaste katw apo mia genikeymenh arnhsh kata ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. H ekpaideytikh metarryqmish einai nomos toy kratoys, o opoios chfisthke prosfata. Einai mia baqia tomh sto xwro ths ekpaideyshs kai proxwrei h efarmogh ths. Me bash thn empeiria apo thn efarmogh ths, profanws, mporei kaneis na dei poy xreiazetai na parembei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to "proxwrei h efarmogh ths", den proxwrei h efarmogh ths. An proxwroyse, den qa yphrxe problhma. Den proxwrei, omws, h efarmogh ths, ayto einai to problhma. Treis mhnes twra ta paidia den exoyn kanei maqhma. Paei kai h fetinh xronia. Den prepei na ginei kati;

AQANASAKHS: Gnwrizete oti h kybernhsh kai to Ypoyrgeio Paideias exei epidoqei se mia systhmatikh prospaqeia enhmerwshs, mia antepiqesh kata ths paraplhroforhshs, h opoia dhmioyrgei seira sygkekrimenwn problhmatwn. Emeis pisteyoyme oti oso perissotero katanohto qa ginetai apo toys maqhtes kai toys goneis to periexomeno ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs, toso ta problhmata qa erxontai stis pragmatikes toys diastaseis kai qa mporoyn na antimetwpistoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai oso gia to dialogo, o Ypoyrgos eipe xqes...

AQANASAKHS: Taytoxrona, katanooyme apolytws tis agwnies, to agxos, tis anasfaleies twn maqhtwn poy kinhtopoioyntai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Alla...;

AQANASAKHS: Omws, taytoxrona, den qa katanohsoyme pote kai den qa apodextoyme tis qeseis genikeymenhs arnhshs olwn ekeinwn poy qeloyn na ekmetalleytoyn tis agwnies, ta agxh, tis anasfaleies kai tis apories twn maqhtwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oso gia to dialogo poy eipate, k. Ekproswpe, o Ypoyrgos eipe xqes oti mesw toy Internet qa kanei dialogo.

AQANASAKHS: Den eipe mono ayto o Ypoyrgos. An katalabate ayto, kakws katalabate. Ki egw epimenw na qewrw oti diaqetete to myalo na katalabainete swsta.

KIAOS: Mhpws mporeite, estw me ena, dyo h treis titloys na prosdiorisete to plaisio sto opoio einai diateqeimenos o Ypoyrgos, h kybernhsh genikotera, na proxwrhsei se ayto to dialogo gia ta metra efarmoghs;

AQANASAKHS: Ayto prokyptei apo th syzhthsh me toys foreis kai me toys idioys toys maqhtes, poy jerete oti kanei o Ypoyrgos Paideias, k. Kiao.

KIAOS: Epeidh eipate, prohgoymenws...

AQANASAKHS: Na sas pw ena paradeigma, giati milw gia paraplhroforhsh kai agnoia poy dhmioyrgei problhmata: Gia para polles meres sta paidia dhmioyrgeitai h eikona oti xanoyn th xronia toys, an exoyn baqmo katw apo to deka se sygkekrimena maqhmata. Eseis poy exete ereynhsei to qema, tis teleytaies hmeres, gnwrizete pia pisteyw, oti ayto den isxyei. Ayto xreiasthke kapoies meres gia na apanthqei. An qelete na mpoyme shmeio-shmeio se tetoias ektashs enhmerwsh gia thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish, egw eimai diateqeimenos na zhthsw apo ton Ypoyrgo Paideias na erqei edw kai na sas kanei ektenh enhmerwsh.

KIAOS: Oxi se mas.

AQANASAKHS: Eiste basikoi diamesolabhtes gia thn enhmerwsh ths koinhs gnwmhs kai twn maqhtwn.

KIAOS: Armodioi einai oi synadelfoi poy kalyptoyn to Ypoyrgeio Paideias.

AQANASAKHS: Ara, giati me rwtate, k. Kiao, na sas pw egw shmeio-shmeio...

KIAOS: Na sas pw: Epeidh, prohgoymenws, eipate oxi anastolh, oxi katarghsh, nai se metra efarmoghs. Jekinwntas, apo to teleytaio nai se metra efarmoghs, rwthsa toys titloys twn qematwn mesa sto plaisio poy apo kairo anaferoyn ta metra efarmoghs. Biblia fer` eipein, den jerw egw na pw, eseis ta jerete.

AQANASAKHS: Isxyei h prohgoymenh apanthsh moy.

KIAOS: Na rwthsw kati allo. Sthn ELEYQEROTYPIA shmera, yparxei ena arqro toy k. Kwnstantopoyloy, an to exete ypoch sas, peri ths Epitrophs aytoy toy Symboylioy Paideias, epanenergopoihsews h epanaleitoyrgias h opws alliws qelete peite to. Einai proqesh ths Kybernhsews na leitoyrghsei jana;

AQANASAKHS: Den diabasa, sygkekrimena, to arqro ayto toy k. Kwnstantopoyloy, k. Kiao. Me aformh ayto, omws, kai xwris na apantw ayth th stigmh ston k. Kwnstantopoylo, giati den to exw koitajei to qema, qa prosqesw to ejhs, poy to eixa sto myalo moy kyriws gia th Nea Dhmokratia, gia na eimai eilikrinhs. Ews twra h kritikh poy ginetai, ginetai epi ths diadikasias. Apo thn Antipoliteysh -kai bebaiws apo thn Ajiwmatikh Antipoliteysh- qa perimename qeseis kai protaseis. Den yparxei logos oysias, den yparxoyn qeseis epi ths oysias. Yparxoyn protaseis epi ths diadikasias. Me protaseis epi ths diadikasias den ginetai politikos dialogos.

KIAOS: Exete kapoia apanthsh sto erwthma peri twn ejetasewn ths B' Lykeioy;

AQANASAKHS: Oxi, den exw kati diaforetiko ap' oti exei anakoinwqei ews twra.

MIXAHL: H Kybernhsh, opws eipe xqes o Prwqypoyrgos, qewrei oti to KKE kai h N. D. ypokinoyn olh ayth thn kinhtopoihsh...

AQANASAKHS: Den yparxei tetoia dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sth Boylh den to eipe;

AQANASAKHS: Den yparxei tetoia dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

MIXAHL: Syggnwmh, kyrie Ekproswpe. Xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos, apantwntas sthn ka Paparhga, eipe oti den mporoyme na kanoyme politikh, opws proteinete eseis, me to na bgainoyme stoys dromoys.

AQANASAKHS: Me sygxwreite, mporoyme na symfwnhsoyme se kati;

MIXAHL: Ti;

AQANASAKHS: Symfwnoyme sto oti den yparxei dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia ypokinhsh; Symfwnoyme s` ayto;

MIXAHL: Wraia. Afoy symfwnhsoyme s` ayto, loipon, sas lew egw na moy ejhghsete ws Ekproswpos...

AQANASAKHS: Exw ta praktika ths Boylhs mprosta moy, mporw na sas ta moirasw.

MIXAHL: Bebaiws. Sas lew, loipon, to ejhs: Na moy ejhghsete ti akribws ennooyse o Prwqypoyrgos xqes, otan elege -apeyqynomenos pros sygkekrimeno politiko arxhgo, me sygkekrimenes qeseis- oti den kanoyme paideia me to na katebainoyme stoys dromoys kai oti den kanoyme paideia me mia synexh arnhsh. Ejhghste moy, sas parakalw ti ennooyse o Prwqypoyrgos, otan elege ayta.

AQANASAKHS: Anaferotan stis qeseis twn kommatwn. Sas diabazw ti eipe, o Prwqypoyrgos sth Boylh: "To KKE symmetexei se oles tis kinhtopoihseis. To dhlwnei (to KKE) aperifrasta. Gi` ayto (gia to KKE) o kyrios stoxos einai o pallaikos agwnas kata ths Kybernhshs, h mataiwsh ths metarryqmishs. Symmetexei epishs h N. D.... "

MIXAHL: Ayto ti shmainei;

AQANASAKHS: O Prwqypoyrgos den kanei dhlwsh gia "ypokinhsh". Sthn arxikh moy dhlwsh ekana mia diakrish anamesa stoys maqhtes poy briskontai se kinhtopoihsh kai se ekeinoys poy qeloyn, pisteyoyn oti mporoyn, na ekmetalleytoyn politika thn kinhtopoihsh ayth. Ekana ayth th diakrish, me thn opoia pisteyw oti apantw kai stis erwthseis poy sth synexeia qesate.

ALEJAKH: Shmera sthn AQHNAtKH dhmosieyetai mia aporrhth ekqesh ths Komision, poy anaferetai sthn prooptikh entajhs ths xwras. Milaei gia synexeia ths litothtas kai gia pagwma twn misqwn ews to 2001, gia pio sfixta metra kai gia proeidopoihsh ths Komision. Thn exei ypoch ths h Kybernhsh ayth thn ekqesh;

AQANASAKHS: H sygkekrimenh ekqesh einai h eishghtikh ekqesh ths Epitrophs, h opoia synodeyse thn epikairopoihsh toy Programmatos Sygklishs poy ypebale h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh. Eishxqhsan ayta -h epikairopoihsh toy Programmatos Sygklishs kai h eishghtikh ekqesh ths Epitrophs- gia syzhthsh sto Symboylio kai egkriqhke to Programma Sygklishs, to opoio einai gnwsto, exei dhmosiopoihqei, efarmozetai. An me rwtate gia kapoies diatypwseis ths Epitrophs, h Epitroph synhqws xrhsimopoiei aysthroteres -qa elega- diatypwseis. H politikh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs einai gnwsth. Den einai kati neo, sas ejhgw, h ekqesh ayth, epeidh h erwthsh sas elege, an thn exoyme ypoch mas. Sas lew, loipon, oti prokeitai gia thn eishghtikh ekqesh ths Epitrophs pros to Symboylio.

ALEJAKH: Swsto. Eipate oti xrhsimopoiei aysthres diatypwseis...

AQANASAKHS: Lew oti h Epitroph synhqws xrhsimopoiei aysthroteres diatypwseis.

ALEJAKH: Kai sth sygkekrimenh eishghtikh ekqesh, pragmati yparxoyn aysthroteres diatypwseis. Ayta ta opoia leei h ekqesh einai ayta ta opoia qa efarmosoyme; Pragmati qa exoyme pagwma twn misqwn ws to 2001...;

AQANASAKHS: H Kybernhsh efarmozei to Programma Sygklishs, opws to exei kataqesei kai opws to exei dhmosiopoihsei. Den efarmozei thn eishghsh ths Epitrophs ep` aytoy.

ALEJAKH: Dhladh den thn qewrei oti einai mia meizonos shmasias eishghsh, h oxi;

AQANASAKHS: Moy zhtate na kanw mia synolikh krish, enw to problhma mporei na einai kapoies epimeroys diatypwseis. To Programma Sygklishs perigrafei mia poreia ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, twn megeqwn ths kai twn stoxwn ths. Ayta exoyn dhmosiws anakoinwqei apo thn Kybernhsh. Den yparxei kati neo s` ayto. Akoloyqeitai to Programma Sygklishs. Yparxei to Programma twn Diarqrwtikwn Allagwn. Exei anakoinwqei kai akoloyqeitai. Den yparxei kati neo apo thn pleyra ths Kybernhshs, gia na anakoinwqei. Ayto poy efarmozetai einai to Programma Sygklishs, poy sas einai gnwsto.

MOYRTZHS: Sto deytero meros toy gkalop ths MRB, den qelw na anaferqw se statistika stoixeia...

AQANASAKHS: Se o,ti qelete mporeite na anaferqeite.

MOYRTZHS: Loipon, to gkalop ypodhlwnei oti ekleise o metapoliteytikos kyklos twn kommatwn, oti exei apajiwqei to yparxon politiko systhma kai oti o k. Abramopoylos feretai ws mia anatreptikh dynamh toy yparxontos politikoy systhmatos. Qelw thn apoch sas ep` aytoy.

AQANASAKHS: Eida ki egw genikws stis metrhseis mia tash gia dhmioyrgia kommatwn apo to xwro ths N. D. Gia to eidikotero, poy qelete, qa apanthsw genikws, "idoy h Rodos, idoy kai to phdhma".

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws phrate thn apofash ths Komision gia ta 200 dis. poy eixate xarisei stoys synetairistes kai se kapoioys...

AQANASAKHS: Stoys synetairistes den exei xaristei tipota, k. Stamatopoyle.

STAMATOPOYLOS:... kai se kapoioys filoys kai syggeneis ypoyrgwn.

AQANASAKHS: Stoys synetairistes den exei xaristei tipota, opws kalws gnwrizete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: 200 dis.

AQANASAKHS: Yparxei to qema ths ryqmishs twn xrewn twn synetairismwn kai ta kommata ta opoia exoyn antiqeth apoch gi` ayto, kalo einai na to poyn stoys synetairismenoys agrotes. Gia to qema ayto eixa erwthqei, jana, edw thn prohgoymenh fora kai nomizw oti sas eixa dwsei mia hmeromhnia syzhthshs toy qematos sto Symboylio ypoyrgwn Gewrgias. Den to hlegja shmera. Nomizw, omws, oti einai thn erxomenh Deytera h syzhthsh toy qematos aytoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Perase, proxqes, apo thn Komision kai malista eipe o k. Reppas oti den exoyme thn apofash. Mhpws hrqe, ayto rwtaw;

AQANASAKHS: Ayto poy egw exw sto myalo moy gia to qema ayto, xwris na to exw elegjei shmera, giati den to eixa ston katalogo moy, einai oti to qema ekkremei pros syzhthsh sto Symboylio twn ypoyrgwn Gewrgias kai h syzhthsh ayth qa ginei th Deytera.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oso gia ta kommata, kyrie Ekproswpe, egw den ekproswpw kanena komma.

AQANASAKHS: Den anaferqhka se sas. An diabasete thn diatypwsh moy, qa deite oti kanw mia strofh, apo kapoio shmeio kai meta, kai allazw to ypokeimeno kai to antikeimeno ths protashs.

MOYRTZHS: Den eixa teleiwsei sto prohgoymeno qema. Na synexisw, loipon. O k. Abramopoylos, symfwna me th dhmoskophsh, pairnei to 54% an dhmioyrghsei neo komma. Paremballetai kai sto diko sas xwro, synepws. Ayto den sas apasxolei, den sas problhmatizei;

AQANASAKHS: Giati me sprwxnete na apanthsw me to gnwsto "gia th giagia kai ta karoylia";

MOYRTZHS: To fainomeno Abramopoyloy, den sas apasxolei;

AQANASAKHS: Yparxoyn diafora fainomena, opws einai ta kairika fainomena, ta fysika fainomena k. lp., ta opoia panta apasxoloyn, bebaiws, opoioys asxoloyntai mazi toys.

MOYRTZHS: Giati loidoreite; Ayto to eklambanw san loidoria.

AQANASAKHS: Kakws to eklambanete ws loidoria. Den loidorw, pote, kai malista apo ayto to bhma. Ektimw kaqe enan kai kaqe komma, kata tis pragmatikes diastaseis toy.

KIAOS: Mhpws exete kati gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Biennh; Anaxwrhsh, afijh, synanthseis;

AQANASAKHS: O Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrhse, shmera to prwi. Shmera to brady, stis 8 (topikh wra), qa parei meros sth synanthsh toy Eyrwpaikoy Sosialistikoy Kommatos. Ayrio kai meqayrio, einai oi diadikasies toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy. Synanthseis idiaiteres den exw ayth th stigmh. H programmatismenh epistrofh sthn Aqhna qa einai to Sabbato, stis 21.15, efoson den yparjoyn allages ths teleytaias stigmhs, poy kamia fora symbainoyn.

MIXAHL: Apo xqes, episkeptetai thn Ellada o hgeths twn Kommoynistwn ths Rwsias k. Zoygkanof. Eide ekproswpoys toy KKE, eide kai ton Grammatea toy PASOK k. Skandalidh. Shmera se dhlwseis toy, anaferomenos stoys S-300, eipe oti to symbolaio qa ektelestei kanonika kai epekrine th stash twn Amerikanwn poy piezoyn gia opoiesdhpote alles lyseis, eite akyrwshs, eite metaqeshs, eite anabolhs, eite metakinhshs, k.l.p. H kybernhsh exei na pei kati ep` aytoy;

AQANASAKHS: Diabasa ki egw tis dhlwseis toy k. Zoygkanof.

KIAOS: Dhladh, proxwroyn ta pragmata kanonika, kata to programma;

AQANASAKHS: Exete parei gia to qema ayto makra enhmerwsh, epi seira hmerwn. Den yparxei tipota kainoyrgio.

* Qa hqela, epishs, na ekfrasw, sto kleisimo ths shmerinhs enhmerwshs, ta syllyphthria mas gia to qanato toy synadelfoy mas Giwrgoy Benizeloy, o opoios peqane, xqes to brady, apo anakoph kardias. Ergazotan mexri thn teleytaia stigmh sta "NEA" kai yphrje, epi seira etwn, proistamenos toy Tmhmatos Ekdosewn, edw, sto Ypoyrgeio Typoy. Htan melos ths Enwshs Syntaktwn kai ekproswpos twn dhmosiografwn toy Ypoyrgeioy, sthn ESHEA, epi seira etwn.

Ekfrazoyme sthn oikogeneia toy ta qerma mas syllyphthria.

H khdeia toy qa ginei, thn Tetarth, stis 15.30, sto A' Nekrotafeio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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