Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-11-27

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 27 Noembrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Opws gnwrizete brisketai se ejelijh h synanthsh twn dyo antiproswpeiwn Elladas kai Kyproy. Meta to peras ths synanthshs qa ginoyn dhlwseis h qa ekdoqei koino anakoinwqen. Me ton ena h allo tropo qa enhmerwqeite gia th syzhthsh ayth, ths opoias thn ejelijh eseis kai oi synadelfoi sas parakoloyqeite.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

JENAKHS: Xqes, se mia thleoptikh synenteyjh toy, sto Mega, o k. Papoytshs den ekryce th dysareskeia toy, thn pikria toy, gia to oti den yparxei eparkhs synergasia -opws eipe- me ypoyrgoys, me thn kybernhsh. Xrhsimopoihse malista kai th lejh "yponomeysh", se sxesh me tis diarroes twn teleytaiwn mhnwn gyrw apo to onoma toy. Exete kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: Einai oi apoceis toy k. Papoytsh. Gia peraiterw dieykriniseis parakalw na apeyqynqeite ston idio. H Ellada, idiaitera h ellhnikh kybernhsh, exei kaqe logo na synergazetai me oloys ekeinoys toys paragontes oi opoioi symballoyn sthn prowqhsh twn eqnikwn kai allwn qematwn. Gia thn yperaspish twn eqnikwn symferontwn, sto plaisio ths Epitrophs ths E. E., kai perissotero apo opoiondhpote allo, epiqymoyme, epidiwkoyme kai epitygxanoyme th synergasia ths kybernhshs me ton Ellhna Epitropo. Allwste, o k. Papoytshs einai epi polla xronia ychlobaqmo stelexos toy Kinhmatos, poy sthrizei ayth thn kybernhsh kai logiko einai oi baseis gia mia tetoia synergasia na yparxoyn kai na einai poly sterees.

JENAKHS: Sto idio qema, na prosqesw aplws oti o k. Papoytshs anaferqhke kai sthn politikh ths kybernhshs kai afhse safws na ennohqei oti an den yparjei allagh sthn politikh ayth, tote einai piqanon to PASOK na odhghqei se eklogikh htta.

REPPAS: Pisteyw, oti adikeite ton k. Papoytsh, qetontas etsi to erwthma, giati den apodidete me akribeia tis apoceis toy. O k. Papoytshs eipe oti oloi sto PASOK qa sthrijoyn ayth thn prospaqeia ths kybernhshs, prokeimenoy to apotelesma na einai nikhforo stis eqnikes ekloges. Nomizw oti ayto apodidei kalytera th qesh toy kai thn epiqymia toy. Gi` ayto, akribws, to epishmainw.

KWSTANTHS: Pws antimetwpizei h kybernhsh th synexizomenh ekkremothta sto qema toy fysikoy aerioy, kaqws kai kapoies kataggelies toy Proedroy toy Organismoy Bambakos k. Mylwna, o opoios milaei gia ektetameno diktyo apaths ston Organismo;

REPPAS: Gia tetoia qemata kata kairoys blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas keimena ta opoia se megalo baqmo aphxoyn apoceis pleyrwn poy emplekontai sta qemata ayta. Einai zhthmata ta opoia exoyn kai oikonomiko antikrysma. Logiko einai na prokaleitai ayto to endiaferon. Emeis exoyme proxwrhsei -kai milw gia to fysiko aerio- se diakratikh symfwnia, thn opoia me synepeia exoyme thrhsei. Ta problhmata poy exoyn prokycei ta antimetwpizei to armodio ypoyrgeio. Sto plaisio aytoy toy endiaferontos toy ypoyrgeioy na antimetwpisei ta qemata, epikeitai episkech ths kas Papandreoy sth Mosxa, gia na syzhthsei me thn allh pleyra ta problhmata poy exoyn prokycei. Oson afora ta qemata ston Organismo Bambakos h opoydhpote alloy, efoson yparxoyn stoixeia ta opoia odhgoyn se ena tetoio symperasma, thn wra poy kapoioi bgazoyn ayto to symperasma, kalo einai na analambanoyn thn idia stigmh kai thn prwtoboylia na prowqoyn ta stoixeia ayta sta organa ths Dikaiosynhs, prokeimenoy o elegxos na einai systhmatikos kai na yparxei mia aposafhnish toy pws exoyn ta pragmata. Giati yparxoyn "kataggelies" asthriktes, oi opoies dhmioyrgoyn mia entypwsh, xwris oi kataggelontes na epidiwkoyn ayth thn "kataggelia" toys na thn yposthrijoyn kai na thn yperaspistoyn mexri teloys, idiws enwpion ths Dikaiosynhs. Ayto prepei, omws, na ginei sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh kai se oles tis alles, giati otan den ginetai, dhlhthriazetai o dhmosios bios. Antilambaneste oti dhmioyrgoyntai synnefa kaxypocias, ta opoia kaqe allo para eynooyn thn prospaqeia poy kanei to ellhniko kratos na prowqhsei ta symferonta toy.

KWSTANTHS: Ayto isxyei kai gia ton Proedro toy Organismoy Bambakos;.

REPPAS: Egw den gnwrizw kapoios, o opoios kataggellei ta kakws keimena mias yphresias ths opoias proistatai, na mhn exei gnwsh twn stoixeiwn gia ta opoia omilei. Kai efoson exei gnwsh stoixeiwn, den qa prepei, giati den einai idiwtikh perioysia toy, na krataei gia ton eayto toy ta stoixeia ayta, alla qa prepei na kalei tis armodies Arxes na epilhfqoyn, afoy bebaiws, o idios exei labei ola ta aparaithta metra. Alla, exw th gnwmh pws exei talaipwrhqei h xwra mas, thn prosfath periodo, me qemata kataggeliwn, poy den eixan periexomeno kai antikrysma. To qesmiko kai politiko timhma poy plhrwse h xwra mas htan bary apo mia tetoia dhmosia symperifora, poy qewrw oti einai anepitrepth. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, kratikoi leitoyrgoi poy exoyn ypoch toys sygkekrimena stoixeia, kalo einai na ta anadeiknyoyn kai na ta prowqoyn stis armodies yphresies, gia na yparxei elegxos kai na dinetai h apanthsh. Na mhn paramenei ayth h skia ekkremothtas, h opoia blaptei ta symferonta sygkekrimenwn organismwn, to dhmosio bio kai telika th xwra.

GARGALAKOS: Anhsyxei h Kybernhsh apo tis katalhceis sta sxoleia kai pws krinete eseis thn erwthsh thn opoia ekane o k. Kastanidhs me thn opoia epishmainei oti h metarryqmish einai xwris oysia, orama kai periexomeno.

REPPAS: O k. Kastanidhs, opws kaqe boyleyths, diatypwnei tis apoceis toy sto plaisio ths erwthshs poy exei kataqesei. H syzhthsh ayth qa ginei sto plaisio toy Koinoboylioy kai qa doqei apanthsh dia ths koinoboyleytikhs odoy. H ekpaideytikh metarryqmish kai orama exei kai periexomeno kai prooptikh giati antapokrinetai stis anagkes ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas kai ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. Ypenqymizw oti peran twn allagwn tis opoies exoyme apofasisei gia to ekpaideytiko systhma ths xwras, se prosfath synedriash toy to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, syzhtwntas gia to G' Koinotiko Plaisio Sthrijhs poy epikeitai, apofasise na dwsei proteraiothta sta qemata poy aforoyn thn enisxysh ths katartishs toy epaggelmatikoy prosanatolismoy, ths ekpaideyshs sth xwra mas. Ayto deixnei pws h Kybernhsh ta qemata Paideias ta exei katatajei poly ychla stis proteraiothtes ths. Oson afora tis ryqmiseis poy periexontai sto sxetiko nomo gia thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish, pisteyw oti eite apo elleich plhroforhshs, eite apo kakopistia, eite apo antiqesh pros tis ryqmiseis aytes twn ligwn poy qigontai ta symferonta toys, exei dhmioyrghqei mia katastash poy den einai eyxaristh. Pisteyw, omws, oti kaqws qa perna o kairos h katastash ayth qa ejomalynetai me th symbolh olwn twn paragontwn ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas. Me synennohsh kai synergasia qa odhghqoyme sthn apo koinoy antimetwpish twn problhmatwn ths ellhnikhs ekpaideyshs. Ayto einai pros to symferon olwn.

KIAOS: Poioi einai oi ligoi twn opoiwn qigontai ta symferonta;

REPPAS: Exoyme milhsei kai pali gi' ayto. Einai ekeinoi oi opoioi den qa hqelan tomes kai allages sto xwro ths ekpaideyshs. Einai oi idiwtikoi foreis ths ekpaideyshs oi opoioi pisteyoyn oti h enisxysh twn dhmosiwn forewn ths ekpaideyshs, twn dhmosiwn sxoleiwn, twn dhmosiwn panepisthmiwn, afairei ap' aytoys ena shmantiko antikeimeno, to opoio etsi opws to diaxeirizontai shmera apodidei terastia kerdh s' aytoys.

Epishs, oi allages oi opoies problepontai p. x. gia th deyterobaqmia ekpaideysh, qigoyn ta symferonta olwn ekeinwn poy epediwkan thn proslhch toys sto dhmosio mesw ths diadikasias ths epethridas, enw twra gnwrizete oti problepetai h diadikasia toy diagwnismoy. Ths ejetashs, dhladh, toy epipedoy gnwsewn poy diaqetei o ekpaideytikos, prokeimenoy na entaxqei sthn ekpaideytikh koinothta ws leitoyrgos. Pisteyw oti h ajiologhsh toy ergoy twn kaqhghtwn, poy problepetai sto plaisio ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs kaqe xrono, einai kati to opoio epishs den dexontai arketoi me idiaiterh eyxaristhsh kai ikanopoihsh, giati antilambanontai pws qa krinetai kai qa ajiologeitai to ergo toys. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia gia mas einai na beltiwqei to epipedo ths parexomenhs ekpaideyshs. Kai s' ayth thn kateyqynsh kai yp' ayto to prisma prepei oloi na proseggizoyme kai na krinoyme thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish kai oxi ypo to steno proswpiko prisma, toy an h katastash oswn symmetexoyn shmera sthn ekpaideytikh diadikasia allazei epi to xeirotero kata th gnwmh toys. Dioti den einai ayto poy prepei na apotelei to krithrio. To krithrio prepei na einai h beltiwsh synolika toy ekpaideytikoy systhmatos kai h entonoterh prospaqeia poy prepei na katabaloyn oloi gia na petyxoyn ayto to stoxo.

KIAOS: Oi xiliades twn newn, twn maqhtwn poy katebhkan kai xqes sth diadhlwsh, ypokinhqhkan ap' aytoys poy exoyn ta idiwtika symferonta kai apo toys kaqhghtes poy den toys aresei to systhma poy qelei na efarmosei h Kybernhsh kai qeloyn thn epethrida;

REPPAS: Aytoi oi opoioi symmeteixan se mia diadhlwsh, den shmainei oti ypokinoyntai apo kapoioys twn opoiwn qigontai ta symferonta. Symmetexoyn epeidh to epilegoyn oi idioi, giati oi apoceis poy exoyn gia to qema to opoio toys apasxolei, toys odhgoyn se mia tetoia kinhtopoihsh. Alla, yparxoyn oi poly perissoteres xiliades twn maqhtwn h twn allwn paragontwn ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas poy den symmetexoyn se tetoioy eidoys kinhtopoihseis. Kai ayto den shmainei oti den exoyn amfibolies h problhmatismoys. Den shmainei oti kaqodhgoyntai apo thn Kybernhsh kai gi' ayto akribws den symmetexoyn se aytes tis diadikasies. Pisteyw oti se mia dhmokratikh koinwnia, oxi mono sthn Ellada alla kai se oles tis prohgmenes xwres, tetoioy eidoys fainomena einai syxna. Giati otan exoyme tomes oi opoies periexoyn kai rhjeis me to parelqon, antilambaneste pws dhmioyrgoyntai antidraseis. Kai oi antidraseis aytes qa prepei, bebaiws, na lambanontai ypoch gia na ajiopoioyntai ta qetika stoixeia ta opoia periexoyn. Apo kei kai pera, omws, yparxei ena orio entos toy opoioy qa prepei na ejelissontai kai na ejantloyntai oi antidraseis aytes. Yparxei enas nomos toy kratoys ton opoio prepei na sebastoyme. Pisteyoyme oti h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish exei nohma kai ajia kai qa prepei na efarmostei.

KIAOS: Kai gia ton Grammatea ths Neolaias toy PASOK, o opoios epishs antidra s' ayth thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish toy k. Arsenh, ti lete; Ton entassete poy dhladh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti h Neolaia toy PASOK exei ekdwsei anakoinwsh...

KIAOS: Exei kamia sxesh aytos me ta idiwtika symferonta; Exei sxesh me toys kaqhghtes; Ayto na katalabw.

REPPAS: Ma, den exoyn sxesh aytoi poy symmeteixan sth diadhlwsh me ta idiwtika symferonta, poso mallon o Grammateas mias Neolaias ths opoias oi arxes kai o tropos leitoyrgias den exei opoiadhpote amesh h emmesh sxesh me thn ypokinhsh ths drasthriothtas ths apo idiwtika poikilwnyma symferonta. Asfalws diatypwnontai problhmatismoi. Einai h koinh agwnia olwn na epityxoyme to aristo apotelesma. To pneyma to opoio diakatexei th Neolaia PASOK h anadyetai apo thn anakoinwsh poy exei ekdwsei gnwrizete oti einai qetiko gia thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish. To plaisio ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs briskei symfwnoys toys paragontes ayths ths sygkekrimenhs organwshs. Aplws diatypwnoyn, opws kai arketoi alloi, problhmatismoys kai erwthmatika gia ptyxes ayths ths metarryqmishs sthn prospaqeia toys na symballoyn kai aytoi wste na exoyme, opws eipa prin, thn kalyterh dynath proseggish sto stoxo, gia mia kalyterh Paideia ta epomena xronia.

Sas eyxaristw kai kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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