Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-11-25

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 25 Noembrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Sas ypenqymizw oti ayrio exoyme th synenteyjh toy Prwqypoyrgoy o opoios einai kalesmenos ths Enwshs Antapokritwn Jenoy Typoy. Ws ek toytoy, emeis qa syzhthsoyme pali edw thn Paraskeyh, thn kanonikh wra (13.00), epeidh -opws gnwrizete- thn hmera ayth den qa synedriasei kybernhtiko organo, logw ths eleyshs toy Proedroy ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias k. Klhridh.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Xqes o k. Abramopoylos bgainontas apo to Megaro Majimoy, meta th synanthsh toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo, anaferqhke me epitimhtiko tropo stoys kyrioys Laliwth kai Pagkalo otan rwthqhke an eqese to qema twn antiparaqesewn toy, legontas, oti "emeis, me ton Prwqypoyrgo, asxoloymeqa me sobara pragmata". Epishs, kybernhtikes phges aneferan oti egine aytos o epimaxos dialogos toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Abramopoylo. O k. Abramopoylos, omws, to diaceydei. Ti exete na peite;

REPPAS: Oi ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs kai oxi mono oi sygkekrimenoi ypoyrgoi apolambanoyn ths deoysas timhs apo ton ellhniko lao, o opoios toys empisteyetai, chfizontas toys, gia na askoyn ayta ta ychla kaqhkonta. Den anamenoyn apo triton, o opoios gia dikoys toy, isws, logoys, mporei na mila me tetoio tropo gia ypoyrgoys ths kybernhshs. O k. Abramopoylos einai dhmarxos Aqhnas. Timame th qesh toy kai pisteyoyme oti qa antapokriqei sta kaqhkonta toy. O k. Pagkalos einai o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths xwras, o k. Laliwths einai o ypoyrgos PEXWDE. Oi dyo ypoyrgoi, stelexh ta opoia exoyn mia makra politikh istoria, kat` epanalhch exoyn tyxei ths epidokimasias toy ellhnikoy laoy, gia na briskontai sth qesh poy briskontai shmera kai na askoyn ta kaqhkonta poy askoyn. Den egine, sto plaisio ayths ths synanthshs, opoiadhpote anafora, h opoia, amesws h emmesws, na exei sxesh me thn krish gia politika proswpa, poly perissotero gia ypoyrgoys.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Mhpws yparxei kapoia enhmerwsh apo pleyras kybernhsews gi` ayth thn parembash toy eisaggelea kai endexomenws ths Astynomias, se o, ti afora tis nees kinhtopoihseis kai tis katalhceis sta sxoleia;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh apofasise kai proxwrhse sthn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish, poy apotelei anagkaio, rizospastiko, metarryqmistiko stoixeio gia thn anamorfwsh ths paideias sth xwras mas. Ta qemata poy prokyptoyn kata thn poreia efarmoghs ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs, prepei na antimetwpizontai me kalh pisth, synennohsh kai dialogo. H kybernhsh den exei opoiadhpote sxesh, amesh h emmesh, me thn prwtoboylia dikastikwn organwn, eisaggelikwn Arxwn en prokeimenw. Gnwrizoyme oti sxolikos leitoyrgos, dieyqynths sygkekrimenhs dieyqynshs, me anafora toy sth Dikaiosynh, zhthse na epilhfqei twn problhmatwn poy exoyn prokycei se sygkekrimena sxoleia kai h Dikaiosynh anelabe mia prwtoboylia, thn opoia oyte krinw, oyte sxoliazw. Ayto to opoio epanalambanw einai oti o dromos ths synennohshs kai toy dialogoy einai o orqos dromos, h xrysh tomh, prokeimenoy na antimetwpizontai kai na lynontai problhmata ayths ths morfhs.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Tetoioy eidoys parembaseis dieykolynoyn thn prospaqeia ths Kybernhshs, opws thn perigrafete, gia dialogo kai synennohsh;

REPPAS: Me kaleite na krinw mia dikastikh prwtoboylia. Me kaleite, oysiastikws, na taytisw th mia ejoysia me thn allh, thn ektelestikh me th dikastikh. Ayto qa to apofygoyme gia logoys arxhs, poy exoyn sxesh me th leitoyrgia toy politeymatos mas. Pisteyoyme oti den mporei h Dikaiosynh na menei metewrh, xwris na apanta se qemata poy ths qetoyn. Alla, h apanthsh poy qa dwsei h Dikaiosynh afora thn idia, ta organa kai tis eswterikes leitoyrgies ths. Oydeis parembainei, poly perissotero h kybernhsh, s` aytes tis diadikasies.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia prosfath anakoinwsh toy Grafeioy Typoy toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias sthn opoia anaferetai oti prepei na apotrepontai h na airontai oi katalhceis, oi opoies qewroyntai apo to ypoyrgeio Paideias paranomes k. t. l. Aytoy toy typoy h politikh parembash ek meroys toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias, qewreite oti den sxetizetai me tis ejelijeis tis opoies exoyme sto epipedo ths Dikaiosynhs;

REPPAS: Gnwrizw kai gnwrizete oti den yphrje aytofwrh parembash ths Dikaiosynhs. Proklhqhke meta apo anafora sygkekrimenoy leitoyrgoy. H kybernhsh, asfalws, thn wra poy epidiwkei to dialogo kai th synennohsh gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn poy exoyn sxesh me thn efarmogh ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs endiaferetai parallhla na ginontai sebastoi oi nomoi. Na mh ginontai prajeis paranomes h biaies, oi opoies kalo einai na apofeygontai, giati den timoyn thn ekpaideytikh koinothta, alla kai thn koinwnia mas synolika.

KIAOS: O sxolikos aytos leitoyrgos, o dieyqynths -den jerw to baqmo toy akribws, en pash periptwsei- o opoios esteile thn anafora, epikoinwnhse me proistamenoys toy sthn ierarxia sto ypoyrgeio, ews kai me ton armodio yfypoyrgo h ton ypoyrgo, epi toy qematos;

REPPAS: Den yphrje kamia apolytws tetoia epikoinwnia. Den gnwrizw oyte to onoma. Apo plhrofories poy syneleja, emaqa kai egw oti kapoios sxolikos leitoyrgos apeyqynqhke sth Dikaiosynh me anafora toy, zhtwntas na epilhfqei twn qematwn poy exoyn prokycei se orismena sxoleia.

KIAOS: Den ofeile, symfwna me thn ierarxia kai ayta poy yparxoyn sta pragmata ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs, na enhmerwsei toys anwteroys toy, akomh kai oso pio chla fqanoyn, prin probei sthn paraggelia ston eisaggelea, sthn anafora peite th kai otidhpote;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti oi polites, poly perissotero ekeinoi poy exoyn sygkekrimenh armodiothta, otan endiaferontai gia thn antimetwpish problhmatwn poy exoyn prokycei kai kata thn apoch toys xrizoyn antimetwpishs, kalo einai na analambanoyn tis kata th gnwmh toys swstes prwtoboylies, wste na mhn paramenoyn se ekkremothta kai na mh megeqynontai ta problhmata.

KIAOS: Mhpws gnwrizete an oi proistamenoi toy oso chla ki an ftanoyn - ews to grafeio toy ypoyrgoy, qelw na pw- qa ton fwnajoyn na ton rwthsoyn ti einai ayto poy sygkekrimena ton anhsyxhse kai kalei ton eisaggelea na parembei; Den endiaferontai, qelw na pw, mexri chla sto ypoyrgeio;

REPPAS: Asfalws endiaferontai kai to endiaferon ayto twn paragontwn toy ypoyrgeioy, kai prwta kai kyria toy idioy toy ypoyrgoy, ekfrazetai me polloys tropoys. Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti metajy aytwn twn tropwn me toys opoioys ekfrazei to endiaferon toy o ypoyrgos kai ta stelexh toy ypoyrgeioy, den perilambanetai h analhch prwtoboylias, wste h Dikaiosynh na epilhfqei twn qematwn poy exoyn prokycei sta sxoleia. Ayto dinei mia safh apanthsh sto erwthma poy qetete. Peran toytoy, prepei na pw oti h prwtoboylia ayth twn dikastikwn organwn, afora mia prokatarktikh ejetash. Qa elega oti einai mia prwtoboylia prwths baqmidas poy exei sxesh kyriws me th syllogh plhroforiwn, wste na gnwrizei oles ekeines tis parametroys poy exoyn prokycei apo tis kinhtopoihseis se diafora sxoleia. Den synista diatypwsh kathgorias gia sygkekrimenes paranomes prajeis enantion kapoiwn, eite maqhtwn, eite allwn paragontwn ths ekpaideytikhs h mh koinothtas. Gi` ayto akribws, s` ayth th diastash qa prepei na doyme ayth thn prwtoboylia. Kai den antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia ayto to opoio metadidetai oti yparxei eisaggelikh prwtoboylia gia thn askhsh diwjhs enantion maqhtwn, spoydastwn h allwn poy exoyn probei se paranomes prajeis. Ola ayta, einai poly prowro na ta pei kaneis. H prwtoboylia ths dikastikhs arxhs apoblepei sth gnwsh toy pws exoyn ta pragmata. Ayto einai poy exei prokycei ws qema, ayth thn wra kai tipota peran aytoy.

FILHS: Dhladh, mporei na diapistwqei h diaprajh mias paranomias kai na mhn askhqei diwjh;

REPPAS: Ta organa poy asxoloyntai qa diatypwsoyn th qesh toys kai qa mas poyn pws akribws exoyn ta pragmata. Einai kati, poy empiptei sth dikh toys armodiothta. Den afora emas.

FILHS: Ayrio, einai ena syllalhthrio maqhtiko, ekpaideytiko. Qa synanthqei o k. Arsenhs me antiproswpeia twn maqhtwn kai twn kaqhghtwn;

REPPAS: Den exei programmatistei tetoia synanthsh. Gnwrizete, omws, poly kala oti o ypoyrgos Paideias einai sth diaqesh twn forewn ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas gia na syzhthsei ta qemata toys. Tetoios dialogos egine kata koron sto parelqon. Pantote oi portes toy dialogoy einai anoiktes apo thn pleyra toy ypoyrgoy Paideias. S` ayth thn prosklhsh poy exei apeyqynei qa prepei me ton idio egkyro, hqiko kai timio tropo na antapokriqoyn kai oi alles pleyres. O k. Arsenhs einai aytos o opoios eipe "epiqymw diarkh dialogo me toys maqhtes kai toys alloys paragontes gia ta qemata ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs".

FILHS: Rwthsa an ayrio, poy yparxei ayto to syllalhthrio, gnwsto edw kai poly kairo...

REPPAS: Apanthsa s` ayto.

FILHS:... an o k. Arsenhs qa epimeinei sthn arxh toy oti "den syzhtaw me diadhlwtes".

REPPAS: Apanthsa s` ayto, k. Filh.

FILHS: Eipate, oti den exei yparjei mexri stigmhs programma.

REPPAS: Jerete kai alles fores exoyn ekdhlwsei endiaferon, oxi monon o k. Arsenhs kai alloi kybernhtikoi paragontes, na syzhthsoyn kai h arnhsh gia mia tetoia syzhthsh, prokyptei apo tis alles pleyres. Mh dinete, loipon, thn entypwsh oti o ypoyrgos Paideias h oi paragontes ths kybernhshs einai aytoi poy apoteloyn thn arnhtikh pleyra enos qematos, to opoio prepei na antimetwpistei me dialogo.

FILHS: Gia ayrio, yparxei kapoia problech, kapoio sxedio ek meroys ths Astynomias gia ta ayjhmena eidika metra poy lambanontai opote yparxei kinhtopoihsh sthn Aqhna;

REPPAS: Opoia metra lambanei h Astynomia se analoges periptwseis gia na diafylaxqei h tajh, h eleyqerh diakinhsh twn atomwn kai h kykloforia twn oxhmatwn, qa lhfqoyn kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh. Ola ayta ta antimetwpizei kata periptwsh h Astynomia.

FILHS: Xqes, o antieisaggeleas toy Areioy Pagoy zhthse th diwjh tessarwn giatrwn gia thn ypoqesh qanatoy toy Matei Sorin. Enqymoymaste oloi oti o k. Giannopoylos, o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, eixe speysei na bgalei apallaktiko boyleyma gia toys giatroys kai gia opoiondhpote kratiko leitoyrgo, sxetika me to qanato toy Sorin. Yparxei kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: Exei ginei ektetamenos dialogos gia ayta ta qemata. H apofash toy eisaggelea einai sebasth. Pisteyoyme oti prepei na lamcei h alhqeia gi` ayto to qlibero epeisodio poy eixe kai qymata. H kybernhsh qa parameinei s` ayth thn arxh mexri teloys: Na lamcei h alhqeia, na fwtistoyn oles oi pleyres aytoy toy dramatos. Ayth einai h qesh mas.

KARBOYNH: Epeidh kyoforeitai ena kyma diadhlwsewn, hqela na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh antimetwpizei to endexomeno lhchs ektaktwn metrwn, sxetika me th leitoyrgikothta kai thn kykloforia stis odoys toy kentroy ths Aqhnas.

REPPAS: Ta problhmata poy prokyptoyn apo kinhtopoihseis antimetwpizontai me bash sxediasmoys twn armodiwn yphresiwn ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias.

SOYRMELH: Me mia mikrh diadhlwsh einai dynato na kleinoyn oi dromoi;

REPPAS: Dystyxws, exoyme fainomena san ayta poy leei h k. Soyrmelh. Enas poly mikros ariqmoys kinhtopoihmenwn atomwn polles fores kleinei toys dromoys, katalambanei ta odostrwmata kai parempodizei thn kykloforia stoys dromoys aytoys. H Astynomia exei asxolhqei m` ayto to qema, exei epejergastei sygkekrimena sxedia, prokeimenoy afenos na dinetai h dynatothta stoys diadhlwtes na ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys kai na proballoyn ta aithmata toys anempodista, afeteroy oi polites poy den symmetexoyn s` aytes tis diadhlwseis, alla prospaqoyn na antimetwpisoyn ta problhmata ths kaqhmerinhs zwhs toys kai na ejasfalisoyn ton epioysio, prepei na lambanontai ypoch, na ginetai sebasth h prospaqeia toys, na mhn parempodizetai h dikh toys drasthriothta kata tetoio tropo, wste telika na katalhgoyn na einai polites deyterhs kathgorias.

SOYRMELH: Pantws kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh anaferqhkate se mena...

REPPAS: Akoysa to sxolio poy kanate.

SOYRMELH: Epeidh omws mporei na parermhneytei apo kapoion, pantws xqes den eftaigan oi diadhlwtes.

REPPAS: Eipa tetoio pragma;

SOYRMELH: Htan kati to ejwfreniko ti ginotan. Eixan afhsei toys aytokinhtistes na mhn mporoyn na perasoyn kai o dromos htan adeios kai oi idioi efeygan. Ekleisan to dromo thn wra poy efeygan. Dhladh, sas diabebaiwnw mprosta sta matia. Den exw janadei tetoio pragma. Den eftaigan oi diadhlwtes.

REPPAS: Den eipa tetoio pragma oyte egw. Dekto to sxolio sas. Ayto akribws ennow kai egw oti prepei na yparxei "xrysh tomh", na yparxei mia isorropia anamesa sto dikaiwma twn sympolitwn mas na diadhlwnoyn, alla kai sthn ypoxrewsh poy exoyn na sebontai ta dikaiwmata twn allwn politwn, poy kai aytoi ergazontai kai epidiwkoyn na ejasfalisoyn ton epioysio.

SOYRMELH: Dhladh den exoyn parei eidikes entoles na dhmioyrgoyn to problhma, wste na aisqanetai o ergazomenos pio katapiesmenos, oi Arxes ennow;

REPPAS: Kaqe allo. Aytoy toy eidoys oi epinohseis den exoyn kamia sxesh me tis politikes apofaseis mias kybernhshs, h opoia epidiwkei na yparxei eyryqmh kai dhmokratikh tajh sth leitoyrgia oxi mono twn qesmwn, alla kai sthn askhsh twn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn se kaqhmerinh bash.

TOYMASHS: Ena shmantiko meros ths anaptyjiakhs prooptikhs ths xwras mas alla kai ths energeiakhs ths aytonomias exei sthrixtei apo thn Kybernhsh sto ergo paroxhs fysikoy aerioy apo th Rwsia. Kai exei ginei kai polys logos gia tis antistaqmistikes paroxes, ergostasia, DEH klp. sth Flwrina. Kapoia dhmosieymata qeloyn na "adynatei" h Rwsia na ylopoihsei h symfwnia me thn Ellada, thn Ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs ka Basw Papandreoy na trexei asqmainoysa sth Mosxa kai na anazhtoyme anaplhrwsh toy energeiakoy elleimmatos me kapoia alla erga apo to Toyrkmenistan. Yparxei kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: H Ellada me prospaqeia ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs anadeiknyetai siga-siga se energeiako kentro, se kombo. Exoyme proxwrhsei se symfwnies kai me alles xwres, me thn Italia molis prosfata, prokeimenoy n' antimetwpisoyme qemata ayths ths kathgorias. Yparxei mia diakratikh symfwnia gia to qema toy Fysikoy Aerioy h opoia prepei na thrhqei. H ellhnikh pleyra antapokrinetai stis ypoxrewseis poy anelabe, qetontas thn ypografh ths s' ayth th diakratikh symfwnia. Exoyn parathrhqei problhmata kata thn ejelijh ths ylopoihshs ayths ths symfwnias. Exoyn apasxolhsei thn Kybernhsh ta problhmata poy exoyn prokycei, gi' ayto einai piqanotato, to epomeno diasthma, h Ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs ka Papandreoy na episkeftei th Mosxa, wste na syzhthsei me thn allh pleyra ta problhmata poy exoyn prokycei kai na anazhthsei mazi toys thn kalyterh lysh pros to symferon kai twn dyo pleyrwn.

TOYMASHS: Yparxei dhmosieyma shmera se efhmerida oti ekproswpos apo to State Department dhlwse oti anagnwrizei mono xwres kai oxi qalassia synora anaferomenos sto Aigaio kai sta qalassia synora Ellados-Toyrkias. Ti lete;

REPPAS: Poios einai aytos o ekproswpos; Peri poioy omiloyme;

TOYMASHS: Anaferetai anwnyma h efhmerida se ekproswpo toy State Department.

REPPAS: Kai giati me rwtate na apanthsw egw epwnyma se kapoion o opoios den gnwrizw an yparxei kan;

TOYMASHS: Exw thn entypwsh oti polles fores milame gia kykloys, otan den qeloyme na shmatodothsoyme h na ypogrammisoyme...

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poies einai oi dhlwseis poy exoyn kanei oi epishmes arxes, h kybernhsh twn HPA. Den yparxei logos, loipon, na katafeygoyme se ermhneies kai topoqethseis poy exoyn kanei anwnymoi ajiwmatoyxoi -an yparxoyn aytoi oi ajiwmatoyxoi- epi qematwn gia ta opoia den yparxei periqwrio dialogoy. Ta qemata twn synorwn sthn perioxh mas exoyn kaqoristei me Synqhkes poy isxyoyn, edw kai para polla xronia. Prepei na ginontai sebastes kai na throyntai aytes oi Synqhkes.

KYRIAKIDOY: Sxetika me to atyxhma poy egine sth Qessalonikh, protiqetai h Kybernhsh na parei aysthrotata metra sth diakinhsh petrelaioy, idiaitera se kakes kairikes synqhkes;

REPPAS: Ayto to opoio isxyei sthn Ellada gia to sygkekrimeno tomea, einai o, ti isxyei dieqnws. H Ellada einai mia xwra ths E. E. poy exei enarmonisei se megalo baqmo, oxi mono to dikaio ths, alla kai drasthriothtes sthn kaqhmerinh zwh me ta qesmia kai toys kanones poy isxyoyn sthn E. E. Einai o eykolos dromos na kathgoreitai h Kybernhsh gia o, ti symbainei s' ayton ton topo, xwris parallhla na ths aponemetai oyte o elaxistos epainos gia ta qetika poy exoyn prokycei sth xwra mas. Pisteyw oti ayth den einai ypeyqynh antimetwpish twn problhmatwn. H Kybernhsh einai symfwnh me tis arxes poy isxyoyn kai sthn E. E.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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