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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 23 Noembrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

En taxei na sas pw liga logia gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy ayths ths ebdomadas.

* Shmera, episkeptetai th xwra mas, o Proedros ths Kroatias k. Toytsman, o opoios exei synanthsh kai me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Qa toy parateqei geyma kai qa ginoyn dhlwseis gyrw stis 13.45.

* Ayrio to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synergasia me ton k. Pagkalo kai thn k. Papandreoy gia qemata koinhs armodiothtas. Argotera, stis 12.30, qa dexqei to Dhmarxo ths Aqhnas k. Abramopoylo. Stis 13.30 qa exei synanthsh me to Grammatea ths K. E. toy PASOK k. Skandalidh, enocei kai ths apogeymatinhs synedriashs toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy poy qa ginei stis 5.30.

* Thn Tetarth, to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synergasia me ton k. Pagkalo kai ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo, enocei ths episkechs, sthn Aqhna, toy Proedroy ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias k. Klhridh. To apogeyma, sto plaisio ths "Wras toy Prwqypoyrgoy" qa apanthsei se epikaires erwthseis. To pio piqano einai na apanthsei stis erwthseis -epeidh den gnwrizw na exei katateqei, en tw metajy, kapoia allh- toy k. Kefalogiannh, boyleyth ths Neas Dhmokratias, gia qemata poiothtas twn dhmosiwn ergwn kai toy boyleyth toy PASOK k. Aleyra gia qemata apotelesmatikhs askhshs twn kaqhkontwn twn organwn ths EL. AS. kai qemata egklhmatikothtas.

* Thn Pempth, to meshmeri, exei programmatistei h synenteyjh Typoy poy paraxwrei o Prwqypoyrgos -exei kaqierwqei ayth h synenteyjh se ethsia bash- filojenoymenos apo thn Enwsh Antapokritwn Jenoy Typoy, se prosklhsh ths opoias antapokriqhke. Einai stis 13.00, sto jenodoxeio "KARABEL", ara ekeinh thn hmera den qa kanoyme th syzhthsh mas edw. Gia ta qemata ths epikairothtas, qa apanthsei o idios o Prwqypoyrgos.

* Thn Paraskeyh, episkeptetai, opws gnwrizete, th xwra mas o Proedros ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias k. Klhridhs. Qa ginei synanthsh - syzhthsh kai qa akoloyqhsei geyma. To apogeyma, stis 6 h wra, se aiqoysa toy jenodoxeioy "KARABEL", o Prwqypoyrgos qa milhsei se kommatikh sygkentrwsh twn Grammateiwn twn Nomarxiakwn Epitropwn toy PASOK.

LAKOPOYLOS: Ypoyrgiko Symboylio den qa ginei thn Paraskeyh;

REPPAS: Oxi, ayth thn ebdomada, logw ths episkechs, thn Paraskeyh, toy Proedroy k. Klhridh. To programma diamorfwnetai opws akribws sas to anakoinwsa.

LAKOPOYLOS: Eipate oti ayrio qa synanthqei o Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Pagkalo kai thn k. Papandreoy gia qemata koinhs armodiothtas. Mporeite na mas ta prosdiorisete;

REPPAS: Einai qemata poy aforoyn thn proodo toy ergoy toy fysikoy aerioy kai alla synafh qemata poy exoyn sxesh me ton tomea ths energeias, alla aforoyn kai sxeseis ths xwras mas me alles xwres.

POYLIDOY: Sth syskech ths Paraskeyhs, poioi ypoyrgoi qa paroyn meros;

REPPAS: Sth synanthsh me ton k. Klhridh, ek meroys ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs qa einai parontes oi epikefalhs twn Ypoyrgeiwn Ejwterikwn kai Eqnikhs Amynas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti qemata qa syzhthqoyn;

REPPAS: Ta panta poy aforoyn to kypriako qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia toys S-300 qa syzhthsoyn;

REPPAS: Einai mia ptyxh toy kypriakoy qematos.

POYLIDOY: O k. Basileioy qa einai parwn;

REPPAS: Den to gnwrizw. Den gnwrizw poioi qa einai parontes ek meroys ths Kyproy se ayth th synanthsh. Mporw, omws, tis epomenes hmeres na to plhroforhqw kai na sas enhmerwsw.

POYLIDOY: Ara, pws jerete oti qa syzhthqoyn ta panta;

REPPAS: Asfalws, qa syzhthqoyn ta panta poy aforoyn to kypriako qema. Otan einai o Proedros mias xwras s` ena trapezi syzhthsewn, syzhtaei ta qemata ths xwras toy. Kai ayto einai ena qema. To qema ths entajhs ths Kyproy sthn E. E. einai dynaton na mh syzhthqei, epeidh den qa einai o epishmos diapragmateyths; Ma, einai o Proedros ths xwras... Yparxei pio armodios apo ton Proedro ths xwras gia ena qema to opoio exei eqnikh shmasia gia to kratos; Einai dynaton;

POYLIDOY: Yparxoyn kai alloi armodioi...

REPPAS: Oi opoioi, omws, einai katwteroi apo ton Proedro ths xwras poy diaxeirizetai to synolo twn qematwn. Alla, gia na mh qewrhtikologoyme, mporw na plhroforhqw tis antiproswpeies twn dyo kybernhsewn kai na sas enhmerwsw.

LAKOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, apasxolei ton Prwqypoyrgo to endexomeno na zhthsei apo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias thn prokhryjh prowrwn eklogwn;

REPPAS: Oyte kata dianoia yfistatai tetoio qema. Gnwrizete poly kala oti ta stadia ta opoia qa akoloyqhsei h kybernhtikh politikh kai h drash toy Kinhmatos mas, exoyn me safhneia prodiagrafei gia thn epomenh periodo apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo. Milwntas, sthn prosfath synodo ths K. E., eipe oti tesseris einai oi staqmoi gia thn kybernhsh kai to Kinhma mas: To synedrio, oi eyrwekloges, h entajh ths xwras sthn ONE -h epishmh epikyrwsh ths- kai oi eqnikes ekloges toy 2000. Aytos einai o programmatismos, o opoios einai symfwnos, oxi mono me tis politikes proteraiothtes ths kybernhshs, alla apolyta symfwnos kai me ta syntagmatika qesmia. Qa sebastoyme, loipon, aytoys toys kanones, wste na oloklhrwsoyme thn poreia mas kai pisteyoyme oti tote, to 2000, me thn oloklhrwsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, qa eimaste etoimoi kai pali na kriqoyme apo ton ellhniko lao, pros ton opoio prosblepoyme me empistosynh, opws ki ekeinos me empistosynh prosblepei pros to PASOK kai tis kybernhseis toy epi para polla xronia.

KIAOS: Den bazete tis lejeis "ektos kai an,... ";

REPPAS: Emeis, eimaste pantote entos. Protimoyme na eimaste entos. Den epiqymoyme na eimaste ektos.

KIAOS: Qa sas qymisw tote kai ton kybernhtiko anasxhmatismo, ton prosfato, anejarthtws ektasews poy eixe, kai thn ypotimhsh kai ola ta synafh kai tis ekloges toy `96, prwtistws. Toylaxiston, h lejh "ektos", den sas blaptei.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete, k. Kiao, oti oles oi epiloges poy exoyn ginei einai epiloges poy exoyn sygkekrimeno stoxo. Den apoteloyn aytoskopo. Gi` ayto akribws kai h prokhryjh twn eqnikwn eklogwn, epeidh akribws pisteyoyme oti den antapokrinetai stoys stoxoys poy exei qesei h kybernhsh, den einai dynaton na apotelesei epilogh ths. Gnwrizete poly kala oti qa prepei na antimetwpisoyme me epityxia thn proklhsh ths entajhs ths xwras mas sthn ONE. Qa prepei na prohghqei ayto to epiteygma -giati peri epiteygmatos prokeitai, katw apo tis proypoqeseis kai toys oroys poy exoyn teqei- wste sth synexeia o ellhnikos laos na exei mia safh kai plhrh eikona gia to apotelesma toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, gi` ayto to opoio h kybernhsh petyxe sto plaisio ayths ths qhteias ths. Den exoyme kanena logo, loipon, na syntomeysoyme th qhteia ths paroysas kybernhshs.

LAKOPOYLOS: Anaferqhkate stoys qesmoys sthn arxikh apanthsh sas. Aytoi oi qesmoi problepoyn diadikasies prowrwn eklogwn. Ti toys apokleiei, loipon;

REPPAS: Efoson ayto apotelei kai epilogh, katw apo orismenes proypoqeseis, kyriws ths kybernhshs kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Sas eipa poioi einai oi politikoi logoi poy den odhgoyn se mia tetoia epilogh. Kai gi` ayto syndyasa tis dyo parametroys.

LAKOPOYLOS: Mporeite na mas peite poies qa mporoysan na htan aytes oi proypoqeseis;

REPPAS: Den yparxoyn proypoqeseis kai den einai eykolo na fantazomai proypoqeseis ayth thn wra poy tetoio qema den exei kan teqei. Den mas exei kan apasxolhsei.

LAKOPOYLOS: H idia h poreia ths xwras pros thn entajh ths sthn ONE, apotelei kata th gnwmh sas logo poy qa mporoyse na xreiazetai h kybernhsh anabaqmish ths laikhs etymhgorias;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti h poreia ths xwras pros thn ONE einai apolytws epityxhmenh. Toylaxiston ta mexri twra deigmata miloyn gia thn epiteyjh twn stoxwn poy exoyme qesei egkairws. Gi` ayto, den apaiteitai opoiadhpote allagh politikhs kai poreias. Qa synexisoyme ayth thn poreia. Den pisteyoyme oti qa prokycoyn, aifnidiws, paragontes, wste na xreiastei ki emeis na paroyme kapoia ektakta metra h na analaboyme prwtoboylies gia na antimetwpisoyme aytoys toys aprosmenoys paragontes poy isws prokycoyn. Pisteyoyme oti h poreia pros thn ONE, me th staqerh kai atalanteyth politikh poy akoloyqoyme, qa oloklhrwqei me thn entajh ths xwras mas sthn ONE.

LAKOPOYLOS: Qa qewrhsei h kybernhsh -mporeite na to peite apo twra, den nomizw oti xreiazetai na moy peite oti einai ypoqetikh erwthsh- oti to opoio apotelesma twn eyrweklogwn qa mporoyse na ermhneyqei ws apotelesma to opoio ephreazei toys yparxontes sysxetismoys ths Boylhs;

REPPAS: To PASOK kai h kybernhsh toy exoyn dwsei deigmata dhmokratikotaths leitoyrgias. Prosferoyn stoys qesmoys ths xwras. Kai h kybernhsh kai to PASOK leitoyrgoyn, pleon, me ena tropo o opoios einai prwtognwros gia ta ellhnika politika dedomena. Exoyme kaqe logo apenanti s` aytes tis proklhseis, tis eklogikes maxes, na eimaste aisiodojoi. Panta anagnwrizoyme thn pragmatikothta poy periexetai sta apotelesmata kai antilambanomaste th shmasia twn mhnymatwn poy anadyontai apo ayta. Emeis exoyme apolyth empistosynh sto ergo ths kybernhshs. Exoyme plhrh aytopepoiqhsh gia thn orqothta ths politikhs poy akoloyqoyme kai otan erqei h wra na kriqoyme apo ton ellhniko lao to 2000 ws kybernhsh, tote dhladh poy qa kriqoyme eyqews kai amesws gia to ergo mas kai mono gia to ergo mas apo ton ellhniko lao pisteyoyme oti qa exoyme kai pali thn epidokimasia toy.

LAKOPOYLOS: Stis eyrwekloges, ws ti qa kriqeite;

REPPAS: Stis eyrwekloges qa kriqoyme gia ena meros ths politikhs mas, poy afora thn eyrwpaikh poreia ths xwras. Para thn idiaiterothta aytwn twn eklogwn -kai otan milw gia thn idiaiterothta twn eklogwn anaferomai sthn idiaiterh sxesh poy o poliths, chfoforos, eklogeas exei me ta kommata ths epiloghs toy s` aytes tis ekloges, epeidh syxna qewrei oti exei thn polyteleia na prosferei thn chfo toy, kata tropo "xalaro", opws exoyme synhqisei na leme- emeis qewroyme oti h eyrwpaikh politikh poy akoloyqoyme, einai politikh h opoia den exei enallaktikh lysh kai gi` ayto akribws, tygxanei ths epidokimasias toy synoloy toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ara, loipon, kai ta apotelesmata stis eyrwekloges aytes, logiko einai na anamenei kaneis oti qa einai qetika gia thn kybernhsh, giati s` ayta qa antikatoptrizetai o qetikos antiktypos ths eyrwpaikhs politikhs poy akoloyqei h kybernhsh mas.

LAKOPOYLOS: Pantws, k. Ypoyrge, molis twra, eseis syndesate to apotelesma twn eklogwn me mia ennoia epikyrwshs h oxi epikyrwshs ths politikhs sas. Synepws, mporei na ypoqesei kapoios oti ena arnhtiko apotelesma, qa synista logo prosfyghs stis kalpes.

REPPAS: Hmoyn para poly safhs stis dyo apanthseis poy edwsa. S` aythn kai sthn amesws prohgoymenh. Eipa oti bebaiws krinetai h eyrwpaikh politikh ths kybernhshs mas. Anefera thn parametro ths legomenhs xalarhs chfoy afenos, afeteroy, omws, sthn prohgoymenh apanthsh eipa oti h Kybernhsh stis eqnikes ekloges toy 2000, opws oles oi kybernhseis stis eqnikes ekloges, krinetai amesws kai eyqews ws kybernhsh. Giati tote o ellhnikos laos qa apofasisei gia to poia qa einai h kybernhsh, h opoia qa askei thn politikh ejoysia gia thn epomenh tetraetia sth xwra. S` oles tis alles eklogikes anametrhseis, o ellhnikos laos bebaiws, krinei kai thn kybernhsh, opws kai ola ta politika kommata, gnwrizei omws oti einai se ejelijh h qhteia ths paroysas kybernhshs. Den amfisbhteitai kai den anatrepetai h kybernhsh. Thn wra poy qa klhqei na krinei eyqews kai amesws ayth thn idia thn kybernhsh kai na apofasisei an qa synexisei h oxi na kybernaei gia thn epomenh tetraetia, pisteyw oti o ellhnikos laos qa staqmisei thn chfo toy me tetoio tropo, wste kai pali na dwsei entolh s` ayth thn kybernhsh, na kybernhsei kai gia thn epomenh tetraetia th xwra. Htan poly safes ayto poy eipa.

KIAOS: Poios htan apo thn Kybernhsh, Ypoyrgos h Yfypoyrgos, s` ayth th Synodo poy egine stis Bryjelles, twn 11 Ypoyrgwn Oikonomias apo sosialistikes kybernhseis poy einai se xwres-melh ths E. E. ;

REPPA: Synedriazei, shmera, stis Bryjelles to EKOFIN. Symmetexei, ek meroys ths Elladas, o armodios Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, o k. Papantwnioy. Synhqizetai, sto plaisio aytwn twn symboyliwn kai malista thn paramonh aytwn twn symboyliwn, na synedriazoyn oi omades toy Eyrwkoinoboylioy h ta eyrwpaika kommata, mias kai oi ekproswpoi toys, dhladh, oi oikonomikoi Ypoyrgoi h se kapoies periptwseis kai oi Ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn, briskontai stis Bryjelles, enocei ths Diaskechs toy Symboylioy Ypoyrgwn. Synanthqhkan oi Ypoyrgoi poy mas ekproswpoyn kai sto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn poy ginetai, shmera, stis Bryjelles.

KIAOS: Sas rwthsa, poios htan; Ena onoma hqela, tipote allo.

REPPAS: Einai o k. Papantwnioy. Einai kati poy ginetai. Den einai kati ektakto. Ayto qelw na epishmanw.

KIAOS: Prosanatolizetai se mia diaforetikh politikh h Kybernhsh, symfwna me ta dhmosieymata, se sxesh me thn politikh sygklish poy apofasizoyn oi Ypoyrgoi twn 11 sosialistikwn kybernhsewn, se sxesh me thn enarmonish ths forologias, me kaqierwsh eniaioy katwtatoy misqoy k.t.l.;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti tis apofaseis tis lambanoyn oi kybernhseis. Sthn E. E. tis apofaseis lambanoyn ta Symboylia twn Ypoyrgwn. Asfalws, exei dhmioyrghqei ena neo politiko topio sthn Eyrwph me thn anadeijh sosialistikwn dhmokratikwn kybernhsewn stis perissoteres kai pantws stis megales xwres ths E. E. Kai gnwrizete oti ta koinwnika qemata apasxoloyn, pleon -exoyn anabaqmistei stis proteraiothtes twn kybernhsewn aytwn- oloys toys hgetes. Opws einai ta qemata ths apasxolhshs kai ths ejasfalishs enos epipedoy zwhs poly ychloteroy gia toys ergazomenoys kai toys polites twn xwrwn ths E. E. Epeidh blepw na ginontai sxolia epi toy qematos aytoy, gia to an qa allajoyn ta krithria, an qa prepei na xalarwsei h dhmosionomikh politikh poy akoloyqeitai apo tis kybernhseis gia thn entajh sthn ONE kai th leitoyrgia aytoy toy pyrhna twn xwrwn ths E. E. - prepei na pw, gia na einai safes -kai ayth einai h telikh mas qesh- oti h koinwnikh kai oikonomikh politikh poy akoloyqoyme, einai politikh poy akoloyqoyme oxi aplws gia na entaxqoyme sthn ONE, einai politikh thn opoia akoloyqoyme gia na enisxysoyme th xwra mas. Na thn katasthsoyme isxyrh, me isxyrh koinwnia, poy proypoqetei kai isxyrh oikonomia. Xwris elleimmata, me xamhlo plhqwrismo, me dhmosio xreos to opoio apoklimakwnetai, wste na mporesoyme etsi na exoyme mia isotimh sxesh me tis alles xwres ths E. E.

Twra, oson afora ta koinwnika qemata, opws einai ta asfalistika dikaiwmata kai h ejasfalish enos epipedoy ajioprepoys diabiwshs me ena plafon katwtero sto hmeromisqio twn ergazomenwn, einai qemata ta opoia apasxoloyn toys armodioys Ypoyrgoys. Briskontai sto epikentro toy endiaferontos kai ths dikhs mas kybernhshs. O problhmatismos einai ploysios. Oi protaseis, oi opoies diatypwnontai, prepei na sas pw oti polles fores einai antifatikes. Qa prepei na eimaste anoiktoi s` ayto to dialogo o opoios einai se ejelijh kai eite etsi, eite alliws, qa breqoyme sthn prwtoporia twn xwrwn ekeinwn poy qa laboyn metra koinwnikhs politikhs, prokeimenoy na beltiwsoyn thn poiothta zwhs kai ergasias twn politwn stis xwres ths E. E.

KIAOS: Praktika, prosanatolizetai h Kybernhsh na allajei, dhladh, thn oikonomikh kai koinwnikh politikh ths h oxi;

REPPAS: Einai to prwto poy apanthsa. Eipa oti thn politikh ayth thn akoloyqoyme kai einai politikh poy einai aparaithth gia na enisxysoyme thn oikonomia mas, thn koinwnia mas, na symmetexoyme isotima me tis alles xwres s` ayth th diadikasia ths eyrwpaikhs enopoihshs. Einai to prwto poy eipa sthn apanthsh poy edwsa.

KIAOS: Den allazete apo ayth thn politikh. Ayto rwtaw. Praktika. Ta alla, den me endiaferoyne.

REPPAS: Ma, me rwthsate, sygkekrimena, gia to katwtero merokamato, an qa yparxoyn plafon kai diafora alla. Ola ayta, sas eipa oti einai problhmatismoi oi opoioi mas endiaferoyn, mas eyaisqhtopoioyn, alla pisteyoyme oti h politikh poy akoloyqoyme, einai politikh h opoia exei tetoia stoixeia gia na diasfalisoyme thn koinwnikh synoxh, epeidh h entajh ths Elladas sthn ONE qa einai h entajh ths olhs Elladas, oxi enos tmhmatos ths Elladas. H entajh, dhladh, toy synoloy ths koinwnias mas, toy synoloy toy ellhnikoy laoy s` aytes tis eyrwpaikes diadikasies enopoihshs. Yp` ayto to prisma askoyme thn oikonomikh kai koinwnikh politikh mas. Alla, bebaiws, h politikh ayth den mporei para na stoxeyei monimws kai diarkws sthn peraiterw apoklimakwsh kai toy plhqwrismoy kai th meiwsh twn epitokiwn kai th meiwsh twn elleimmatwn kai bebaiws, thn apoklimakwsh toy dhmosioy xreoys. Ayta einai ek twn oy oyk aney stoixeia, prokeimenoy mia xwra na mporei na symmetasxei s` aytes tis diadikasies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sto plaisio ayths ths oikonomikhs politikhs einai kai to xarisma trisekatommyriwn se diaforoys organismoys;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw se ti sygkekrimena anafereste. Qa mporoysate na kanete mia sygkekrimenh anafora, exoyme milhsei kat' epanalhch eite gia tis sygkoinwnies, eite gia thn O. A....

STAMATOPOYLOS: Stis sygkoinwnies anaferomai, poly kala to katalabate.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti den prokeitai peri xarismatos. Einai apla logistikes taktopoihseis. Einai antimetwpish ekkremothtwn pollwn xronwn, mono kai mono, epeidh katapiptoyn oi eggyhseis toy Dhmosioy h exoyn dhmioyrghqei -logw twn tokwn se daneia, poy exoyn labei aytoi oi organismoi se mia palaioterh epoxh- tetoioy eidoys xreh ta opoia den antapokrinontai sth shmerinh pragmatikothta ths leitoyrgias aytwn twn organismwn. Kai en pash periptwsei qa prepei, afoy miloyme gia ena programma ejygianshs aytwn twn organismwn, na jekinhsoyme apo mia kaqarh bash. Kai s' ayth thn afethria ejygianshs twn organismwn gia ton eksygxronismo kai thn anaptyjh toys qa prepei na antimetwpisoyme aytes tis ekkremothtes. Ayto kanoyme.

Kai prepei na sas pw, epishs, oti ta barh ayta exoyn dhmioyrghqei, oxi bebaiws ta teleytaia xronia, alla sto prosfato parelqon. Den xreiazetai ayth thn wra na "daimonologoyme", alla prepei na sas pw oti h periodos 1990-1993 htan mia periodos katastrofikh gia th leitoyrgia twn dhmosiwn organismwn. Tis synepeies ths politikhs ekeinhs ths periodoy qa prepei na antimetwpisei h Kybernhsh. Giati; Dioti twra, pleon, den exoyme alla xronika periqwria. Hrqe h wra na kriqoyme sthn Eyrwph kai qa prepei -epeidh den exoyme alla xronika periqwria- twra, na antimetwpisoyme to synolo twn problhmatwn poy exoyn swreytei edw kai para polla xronia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To 1 tris apo tote einai;

REPPAS: Htan se polloys organismoys kai sthn O. A. kai stis sygkoinwnies, ychla ta xreh...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sas eipa sygkekrimena, to 1 tris stis sygkoinwnies apo tote einai;

REPPAS:... ta opoia sas eipa oti exoyn prokycei ws xreh aytoy toy epipedoy, logw twn ychlwn tokwn, logw ths kataptwshs twn eggyhsewn toy dhmosioy. Kai en pash periptwsei einai xreh ta opoia, se megalo baqmo, exoyn mia diastash logistikh. Den antimetwpizetai alliws h katastash, ektos kai an eseis epiqymeite, prokeimenoy oi organismoi aytoi na antimetwpisoyn ta xreh toys -mia kai anafereste stis sygkoinwnies- na laboyn thn apofash na ayjhsoyn to eisithrio stis 500 drx. Aytos einai enas tropos, an ton proteinete, gia na antimetwpisoyn ta xreh poy eseis lete oti exoyn s' ayto to epipedo. Antilambaneste omws, to exw pei kai allh fora, pws h dikh mas h Kybernhsh exei epilejei enan allo tropo gia na ejygianei aytes tis epixeirhseis. Gia prwth fora yparxoyn epixeirhsiaka sxedia gia kaqe mia epixeirhsh, pragma poy oydepote sto parelqon synebh. Kai pisteyoyme oti poly grhgora oi epixeirhseis aytes qa antapokriqoyn stis apaithseis twn politwn gia yphresies pros aytoys ychloy epipedoy. Den einai dynato gia ta mesa mazikhs metaforas, gia tis astikes sygkoinwnies to eisithrio na ayjhqei se tetoia epipeda, wste na epibarynei ton ergazomeno, ayton poy kaqhmerina metakineitai -giati oi ergazomenoi me xamhla eisodhmata einai ekeinoi poy xrhsimopoioyn ta mazika mesa metaforas- kai na kaleitai kaqhmerina na kataballei ena sxetika ychlo poso.

Pisteyoyme oti qa prepei ta eisithria na meinoyn se ena elegxomeno epipedo gia toys logoys poy antilambaneste.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh mas kanete xarh kai gi' ayto ta xarizete; Mas kanete xarh kai ta xarizete 1 tris gia na mhn anebei to eisithrio.

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, o, ti katalabate, katalabate.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eginan akomh sobarotates kataggelies sth Boylh gia kompines me antallaktika, me petrelaia k. a. Giati den apantaei o armodios Ypoyrgos s' ayta;

REPPAS: Einai xarakthristiko boyleytwn ths N. D., na ejapolyoyn kathgories xwris tekmhriwsh kai xwris stoixeia. Qa mporoysan oi kaloi synadelfoi na xrhsimopoihsoyn th dikastikh odo kai etsi, an exoyn pragmatika stoixeia, na epityxoyn mia nikh se baros ths Kybernhshs kai na odhghsoyn toys Ypoyrgoys, toys epikefalhs twn organismwn, ta stelexh ths dioikhshs sto edwlio toy kathgoroymenoy. Den to kanoyn, epeidh den exoyn stoixeia. Kai epeidh toys endiaferei na dhmioyrgoyn efhmeres kai feygalees entypwseis, katafeygoyn s' ayto to dromo politikhs epikoinwnias -giati peri epikoinwniakoy efeyrhmatos prokeitai- to opoio antilambaneste pws den exei periexomeno. Egw kalw opoion exei sygkekrimena stoixeia, na prosfygei sta organa ths Dikaiosynhs, an qewrei oti exoyn ginei tetoioy eidoys paranomes prajeis, wste aytos o opoios exei eyqynh, an exei eyqynh, na plhrwsei. Ola ta alla einai texnasmata, mono kai mono gia na dhmioyrgoyntai entypwseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayta giati den ta elege o armodios Ypoyrgos; Giati "katapie th glwssa toy" ekei;

REPPAS: Kaneis den "katapinei th glwssa toy".

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den milhse kaqoloy. Proklhqhke polles fores kai den apanthse

REPPAS: To oti synexizei kapoios na askei ta kaqhkonta toy, shmainei oti mporei kai milaei kai askei politikh. Kai kapoios mporei kai milaei, epeidh exei th glwssa toy sth qesh ths, den thn exei katapiei.

ELENOPOYLOS: Stis erwthseis toy k. Lakopoyloy qelw na epanelqw, alla apo allh porta. Epeidh to Sabbatokyriako grafthkan, akoysthkan kai eipwqhkan polla, qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: O Prwqypoyrgos sas exei enhmerwsei an epiqymei sto epomeno synedrio na paei me kaqares lyseis kai pali kai me th dedomenh hgesia h na akoloyqhsei to dromo ths synennohshs kai ths syneyreshs, endexomenws kai sthn hgesia, me alla stelexh toy PASOK;

REPPAS: Ayta einai qemata toy Kinhmatos...

ELENOPOYLOS: Kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

REPPAS: Den nomizw oti einai qema ths syzhthshs poy kanoyme edw, einai qema toy Proedroy toy Kinhmatos.

ELENOPOYLOS: Exoyn omws sxesh me to Synedrio.

REPPAS: Mporw omws na arkestw se ena sxolio: O, ti problepei to Katastatiko mas, o, ti problepoyn oi arxes leitoyrgias toy Kinhmatos mas, qa ginoyn sebasta. Basei aytwn politeyetai o Proedros toy Kinhmatos kai Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras. Gnwrizete -kai milhsa sthn arxh, to ypainixqhka kai epanerxomai twra- oti toso to Kinhma mas, oso kai h Kybernhsh leitoyrgoyn syllogika, dhmokratikotata. Ola ta stelexh, ekei poy toys exei tajei to Swma poy toys ejeleje, exoyn symmetoxh se tetoio baqmo, wste na ephreazoyn kaqoristika tis apofaseis poy lambanontai. Oloi mas, loipon, kaqenas me to rolo poy toy exei anateqei, symballoyme sto na exoyme ayth thn kybernhtikh politikh poy askoyme, sto na exei to Kinhma mas ayth th leitoyrgia kai drasthriothta poy ekdhlwnei, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme toys stoxoys mas.

ELENOPOYLOS: Alla kaqenas me to rolo toy.

REPPAS: O, ti problepei to Katastatiko.

LAKOPOYLOS: An exw antilhfqei swsta, o Dhmarxos Aqhnaiwn k. Dhmhtrhs Abramopoylos proserxetai sthn ayrianh synanthsh toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo, me proqesh na syzhthsei mazi toy ef' olhs ths ylhs. Ayto to "ef' olhs ths ylhs" parakalw na mas ejhghsete. O Prwqypoyrgos protiqetai na syzhthsei ef' olhs ths ylhs me ton k. Abramopoylo;

REPPAS: O Dhmarxos Aqhnaiwn me epistolh toy zhthse na synanthsei ton Prwqypoyrgo. O Prwqypoyrgos...

KIAOS: Ws Dhmarxos h ws Proedros... ;

REPPAS: Eseis exete sto myalo sas polla. Egw gnwrizw ti einai ayto poy lene ta stoixeia. Prepei na milw me ntokoymenta. Loipon, ta stoixeia lene oti ws Dhmarxos Aqhnaiwn zhthse ayth th synanthsh, o Prwqypoyrgos antapokriqhke sto aithma toy Dhmarxoy ths prwteyoysas kai qa synanthqei me to Dhmarxo ths Aqhnas.

LAKOPOYLOS: Kai qa syzhthsei ti ;

REPPAS: Qemata poy aforoyn thn Aqhna, toys polites ths, ta problhmata ths Aqhnas kai th symbolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn aytwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, den qa syzhthsoyn to qema twn dhmotikwn telwn twn Dhmwn; Oxi toy Dhmoy ths Aqhnas, twn Dhmwn; Kai to poso twn 60 dis poy prepei na paroyn;

REPPAS: Oson afora ta dhmotika telh exei ginei pollh syzhthsh. Kai moy dinete thn eykairia na pw, oti qa doqoyn ta xrhmata poy dikaioyntai. Ayta poy toys analogoyn qa doqoyn. Den yparxei opoiodhpote problhma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pote;

REPPAS: Didontai etsi, wste na mporoyn na antapokriqoyn stis ypoxrewseis toys. Apo kei kai pera, h ypermetrh ayjhsh twn dhmotikwn telwn einai pantelws adikaiologhth. Den einai dynato, thn wra poy h kybernhsh kai o ellhnikos laos kataballoyn mia prospaqeia se sygkekrimenh kateyqynsh, oi Dhmarxoi gia logoys oi opoioi se megalo baqmo exoyn sxesh me thn oxi swsth, oxi katallhlh diaxeirish twn dhmotikwn porwn, na probainoyn se peraiterw ayjhsh twn dhmotikwn telwn. Ayto einai kati to opoio den einai paradekto. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, h syzhthsh metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy Dhmarxoy ths Aqhnas, qa einai syzhthsh metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy ths xwras kai toy Dhmarxoy ths Aqhnas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den moy eipate pote qa doqoyn ta lefta.

REPPAS: Ta xrhmata didontai. Hdh proxqes ypegrace o k. Xristodoylakhs sxetikh apofash kai doqhke ena shmantiko poso. Didontai me to ryqmo poy exei apofasistei, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyn tis anagkes toys oi Dhmoi ths xwras.

ELENOPOYLOS: Sta problhmata ths Aqhnas perilambanontai kai ta problhmata me to paranomo parkingk sth Xarilaoy Trikoyph kai th Rhgillhs;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti ayto kai alla qemata exoyn apasxolhsei kata kairoys thn koinh gnwmh. O Dhmarxos ths Aqhnas einai aytos o opoios qa apofasisei kai qa epilejei poia qemata armodiothtas toy qa qesei se ayth th syzhthsh. H Aqhna einai prwteyoysa. Ek twn pragmatwn polloi katoikoyn edw. Edw drasthriopoioymaste oloi kaqhmerina, ara ta problhmata ths Aqhnas mas apasxoloyn oloys, asxeta apo to an eimaste dhmotes h an chfizoyme sthn Aqhna. Qa prepei ypo ayto to prisma na ginei kai h sygkekrimenh syzhthsh.

G. KAMPOYRAKHS: An qymamai kala, prepei na exei symplhrwqei to diasthma twn triwn mhnwn gia thn pwlhsh ths IONIKHS. Yparxei kapoia ejelijh;

REPPAS: Isxyoyn ta osa exoyme pei. Eimaste mesa stis xronikes proqesmies poy exoyme anakoinwsei. H pwlhsh ths IONIKHS qa proxwrhsei stis arxes toy neoy xronoy, symfwna me tis ejaggelies poy exoyn kanei oi armodioi Ypoyrgoi. Den exei allajei tipota ws pros ayto.

LAKOPOYLOS: An sto plaisio aytoy toy endiaferontos toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia thn polh ths Aqhnas poy mas perigracate prohgoymenws, perilambanetai kai mia endexomenh synanthsh toy me toys ekproswpoys twn allwn syndyasmwn wste na exei mia sfairikoterh antilhch gia ta problhmata ths Aqhnas!.

REPPAS: Den exei teqei tetoio qema. Den exoyn qesei tetoio qema alloi Dhmarxoi...

KIAOS: Oxi oi Dhmarxoi.

REPPAS: Prolabainw thn epomenh erwthsh, giati qa me rwthsete an alloi Dhmarxoi zhthsoyn na doyn ton Prwqypoyrgo, qa ginoyn dektoi; Den exei teqei tetoio qema, loipon apo alloys Dhmarxoys.

KIAOS: Oxi.

REPPAS: Den yphrje qema synanthshs me toys epikefalhs twn dhmotikwn syndyasmwn ths Aqhnas. O Prwqypoyrgos synanta kai syzhta me toys epikefalhs diaforwn ekfrasewn ths koinwnias mas gia na antimetwpisoyn apo koinoy ta opoiadhpote problhmata apasxoloyn th xwra kai toys polites.

KIAOS: O Prwqypoyrgos meta tis ekloges, thn prwth Kyriakh dhladh ths 11hs Oktwbrioy, me thn ka Damanakh poy den synanthqhke akoma, pote qa synanthqei;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei epikoinwnhsei me thn ka Damanakh. Otan teqei qema synanthshs, qa antimetwpistei analogws. Den exei teqei tetoio qema twra.

MOYRTZHS: Qa hqela kapoio sxolio sas gia thn apwleia toy poihth Mixalh Katsaroy.

REPPAS: O Mixalhs Katsaros htan mia jexwristh fysiognwmia sto xwro ths logotexnias kai oxi mono. Htan enas filosofos, ena pneymatiko anasthma jexwristo. Ginetai ftwxoterh h pneymatikh zwh toy topoy mas me thn apwleia toy Mixalh Katsaroy. Eyxomaste stoys dikoys toy na ton qymoyntai panta, opws qa ton qymomaste kai emeis, giati ta erga toy panta qa zoyn. Parhgoria gia oloys toys anqrwpoys poy exoyn anazhthseis, pneymatikes kai kallitexnikes anhsyxies, as einai to oti stis newteres genies yparxei ena anqrwpino dynamiko ajiologotato, to opoio qa shkwsei ayth thn klhronomia kai qa thn krathsei akeraih. Thn klhronomia poy afhse o Mixalhs Katsaros kai arketoi alloi poy feygoyn apo ayto ton kosmo.

Eyxaristw poly.

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