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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 20 Noembrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase shmera to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

* Basiko qema ths hmerhsias diatajhs htan oi organismoi poy katartizontai apo ta ypoyrgeia. Stoxos twn allagwn poy prowqoyme sth Dhmosia Dioikhsh einai h beltiwsh ths poiothtas twn yphresiwn poy prosferei stoys polites to Ellhniko Dhmosio. Se kaqe periptwsh, skopos mas paramenei h kalyterh ejyphrethsh toy polith. H poiothta twn yphresiwn poy prosferei mia dhmosia yphresia einai apolyta synyfasmenh me thn organwtikh domh ths. Gi` ayto, akribws, h syzhthsh gia toys organismoys twn ypoyrgeiwn, den einai mia syzhthsh epi texnikoy qematos, alla mia syzhthsh gia ena poly shmantiko, diarqrwtiko problhma, to opoio prepei na antimetwpisoyme, epeidh, qewroyme oti, meta tis allages poy exoyn epelqei sto xwro ths Dioikhshs kai ths Aytodioikhshs, oi organismoi basei twn opoiwn leitoyrgoyn, akomh kai shmera, oi kentrikes yphresies twn ypoyrgeiwn einai jeperasmenoi.

Gnwrizete oti, sto plaisio ths politikhs mas, exoyme proxwrhsei, edw kai arketa xronia, sth metafora politikhs kai oikonomikhs ejoysias sthn Perifereia. Exoyme, ayth thn wra, sthn patrida mas tesseris baqmides Dioikhshs kai Aytodioikhshs: Toys megaloys Dhmoys, thn aireth Nomarxiakh Aytodioikhsh, thn Perifereia (oxi pleon ws mia epitelikh monada, alla ws mia plhrh dioikhtikh monada, me diko ths organismo kai dikes ths aytoteleis yphresies) kai thn Kentrikh Dioikhsh. Proxwroyme, twra, sth nea ayth tomh poy afora allages stis kentrikes yphresies twn ypoyrgeiwn. Allages oi opoies, metajy twn allwn, shmatodotoyntai apo toys ypo katartish organismoys.

Oi organismoi aytoi qa prepei na exoyn katartistei, apo kaqe ypoyrgeio, ews to telos Ianoyarioy 1999. Qa prepei, akomh, na exei ginei syzhthsh epi twn keimenwn twn organismwn metajy toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn kai twn kata periptwsh allwn ypoyrgeiwn, wste ews to telos Aprilioy 1999 na exoyn dhmosieytei kai ta Proedrika Diatagmata, sta opoia qa periexontai oi neoi organismoi kai, me bash aytoys toys organismoys, na leitoyrgoyn pleon ta ypoyrgeia, oi dhmosies yphresies.

Gnwrizete poly kala oti oi allages poy exoyn prokycei sthn ellhnikh koinwnia, opws kai se olo ton kosmo, lambanontai sobara ypoch. Ta ypoyrgeia prepei na ginoyn epiteleia, me lito organwtiko sxhma, opoy qa paragetai politikh kai qa askeitai o elegxos gia thn politikh poy efarmozetai stis alles baqmides. Dioti qa prepei oloi aytoi oi krikoi -milw gia ta tessera epipeda dioikhshs sta opoia anaferqhka- na einai krikoi mias alysidas kai na exoyn koinh antilhch kai kateyqynsh.

Sto plaisio twn allagwn aytwn qa lhfqei, epishs, ypoch h anagkh na antimetwpistoyn qemata elegxoy h epibolhs kyrwsewn sto dhmosio kai se stelexh toy, ta opoia den antapokrinontai stis ypoxrewseis toy, me diadikasies oi opoies qa jepernoyn ta shmerina problhmata, dedomenoy oti exoyme odhghqei oysiastika -kai milw gia th shmerinh katastash- s` ena kaqestws atimwrhsias. Ayth h prospaqeia mas gia mikra kai eyelikta organwtika sxhmata, sto plaisio katartishs twn newn organismwn, poy qa apodidoyn me safhneia to rolo kai thn apostolh toy kaqe ypoyrgeioy, me enisxysh twn epitelikwn armodiothtwn toy, pisteyoyme oti qa apotelesei thn apanthsh mas gia th beltiwsh ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs enocei twn anagkwn toy neoy aiwna.

* Syzhthsame, epishs, to problhma -sthn arxh klhqhke "ios toy 2000"- to opoio dhmioyrgeitai me thn allagh ths xilietias, oson afora ta plhroforiaka systhmata. Miloyme -opws gnwrizete- gia thn adynamia pollwn plhroforiakwn systhmatwn na epejergastoyn stoixeia, ta opoia anaferontai se hmeromhnies toy neoy aiwna, epeidh ta systhmata ayta anaparistoyn kai apoqhkeyoyn sth mnhmh toys xronologies, xrhsimopoiwntas dyo chfia, anti twn tessarwn. Apo to 2000 kai meta, ean den proxwrhsoyme s` ayth thn prosarmogh twn plhroforiakwn systhmatwn, qa dhmioyrghqei seira problhmatwn. Egkaira, loipon, epeidh akribws asxoloymaste me to problhma, speydoyme na prolaboyme kai na etoimastoyme apolyta gia thn antimetwpish toy.

Sto plaisio ayths ths prospaqeias -exei ginei kai palaiotera syzhthsh se kybernhtika organa- proxwrhsame shmera sth sygkrothsh, peran twn epitropwn twn eidikwn episthmonwn poy hdh leitoyrgoyn, mias ad hoc epitrophs, sthn opoia symmetexoyn ta ypoyrgeia Eswterikwn, Eqnikhs Amynas, Anaptyjhs, Metaforwn kai Eqnikhs Oikonomias. Parallhla, kaqe ypoyrgeio, kaqe organismos analambanei thn ypoxrewsh na proxwrhsei se mia enhmerwtikh ekstrateia, prokeimenoy oi idiwtikoi foreis kai genikotera oi polites na enhmerwqoyn gia to problhma ayto -millenium bug onomazetai sthn agglikh orologia- prokeimenoy na apofygoyme kyriws, alla kai na antimetwpisoyme sth genesh toys opoiadhpote problhmata prokycoyn se ligotero apo enamisi xrono. H Ellada, gia polloys logoys, einai se kalo shmeio, oson afora thn antimetwpish toy qematos aytoy. Den dikaiologeitai, loipon, opoiosdhpote panikos h yperbolikos problhmatismos, para to oti xreiazetai na epideijoyme prosoxh kai synesh sthn antimetwpish toy.

Sthn arxh ths shmerinhs synedriashs, o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke sto qema, to opoio kai alles fores exei apasxolhsei thn Kybernhsh kai qa thn apasxolhsei kai sto mellon, ths Koinwnias twn Plhroforiwn kai twn anagkaiwn allagwn stis opoies prepei na proxwrhsoyme, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme tis nees synqhkes. Apo ton Ioylio toy 1997, to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio syzhthse gia prwth fora to qema kai eqese proteraiothtes se orismenoys tomeis, opws einai o eksygxronismos kai h anabaqmish toy thlepikoinwniakoy diktyoy, h epitaxynsh twn ergwn plhroforikhs sto dhmosio, h dhmioyrgia enos apotelesmatikoy plaisioy gia thn prostasia twn Proswpikwn Dedomenwn. Ektote, exoyn ginei, apo polla ypoyrgeia, polla bhmata, exoyn analhfqei polles prwtoboylies kai politika metra s` aythn thn kateyqynsh. Anaferw -gia paradeigma- to nomo poy chfisame emeis gia tis nees Radiothleoptikes, syndromhtikes yphresies, poy antapokrinontai stis anagkes ths Koinwnias ths Plhroforias.

Kleinontas, qelw na sas pw oti, me bash keimeno-egxeiridio, to opoio kateqese o Prwqypoyrgos, kaqe Ypoyrgos anelabe thn ypoxrewsh, enocei mias neas syzhthshs poy qa ginei se metagenestero stadio, na kataqesei, mesa sto prwto 10hmero toy Dekembrioy, nees protaseis, nees idees kai ena syntomo apologismo gia to pws antimetwpizei, apo th dikh toy pleyra, qemata ths armodiothtas toy poy empiptoyn s` ayto to kefalaio ths Koinwnias ths Plhroforias.

To keimeno ayto einai apotelesma protasewn apo ta epimeroys ypoyrgeia. Oi protaseis aytes periexoyn tis draseis, tis proteraiothtes poy exoyn orisei kai tis politikes poy exoyn efarmosei h prokeitai na efarmosoyn ta ypoyrgeia.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Epitrecte moy na jekinhsw me dyo erwthseis: H mia afora gia ton eponomazomeno "io toy 2000", opws legetai. To syzhthsate to qema kai sthn prosfath synanthsh sas me ton k. Mperns; Dioti, kaka ta cemata, ston ellhniko xwro, toso sto dhmosio oso kai ston idiwtiko tomea h pleiochfia twn programmatwn ta opoia xrhsimopoioyntai einai klecitypa. Mhpws loipon syzhthsate kai ayta ta pneymatika dikaiwmata;

REPPAS: Anafereste se ena allo qema. Syzhthsame, me ton k. Mperns, kata thn prosfath synanthsh mas, qemata poy aforoyn thn prostasia twn pneymatikwn dikaiwmatwn Amerikanwn paragwgwn, oson afora optikoakoystika erga. To qema toy klecitypoy logismikoy einai ena qema to opoio apasxolei th dhmosia dioikhsh ths xwras. Exei teqei sto parelqon apo thn amerikanikh dioikhsh. Den exei thn ektash to fainomeno ayto, ths klophs dhladh twn pneymatikwn dikaiwmatwn, poy exei se alloys tomeis, opws ta optikoakoystika erga. Antimetwpizetai sto plaisio twn yphresiwn toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn.

MIXAHL: To deytero erwthma afora ayto kaqeayto to kyrio qema toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Symfwnhsan oloi oi Ypoyrgoi me ta krithria poy eishghqhke o k. Papadopoylos;

REPPAS: Symfwnhsan. Omofwnws apofasisame pws h eishghsh ayth...

MIXAHL: To apofasisate...

REPPAS: Sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

MIXAHL: To "apofasisate" proekyce meta apo kapoia syzhthsh, ypoqetw.

REPPAS: Asfalws kai proekyce meta apo mia syzhthsh.

MIXAHL: S` ayth th syzhthsh, poioi alloi ejefrasan kapoies paraplhsies, kapoies alles gnwmes gia ton tropo, gia ton periexomeno;

REPPAS: Milhsan arketoi synadelfoi. Oloi anaferqhkan peripoy sta idia qemata: Oti prepei na ginei pio apotelesmatikh kai pio sygxronh h dhmosia dioikhsh. Oti prepei na yparxei ena kaqestws peiqarxikoy elegxoy twn ypallhlwn poy den antapokrinontai sta kaqhkonta toys. Oti prepei h epilogh twn stelexwn gia tis anwteres baqmides na ginetai me diadikasies poy einai antikeimenikes, diafaneis, alla odhgoyn opwsdhpote kai sthn epilogh twn ikanoterwn, twn kalyterwn, gia na mhn exoyme mia apajiwsh ths dhmosias dioikhshs. Anaferqhke, epishs, to gegonos ths adynamias toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy, logw toy oti einai aparxaiomenoi oi organismoi, h diarqrwsh twn yphresiwn einai kai ayth jeperasmenh h gia logoys poy exoyn sxesh me to proswpiko poy yphretei sto Dhmosio, to opoio edw kai arketa xronia den exei employtistei me ejeidikeymenoys episthmones. Gia oloys aytoys toys logoys, anaferqhke oti adynatei to Dhmosio na antapokriqei, toylaxiston sto baqmo poy emeis qa epiqymoysame, sta kaqhkonta toy. Ola ayta anaferqhkan apo oloys kai diatypwqhkan diafores protaseis. Ta krithria poy eqese o k. Papadopoyloys kata thn eishghsh toy gia thn katartish twn newn organismwn eginan dekta apo oloys toys synadelfoys. Oti prepei, dhladh, ta organwtika sxhmata na einai lita, na prokyptei ap` ayta mia safhneia gia thn apostolh twn ypoyrgeiwn, afoy -opws eipa- ta ypoyrgeia qeloyme na ginoyn pragmatika epiteleia. Na mh synwqoyntai polites sta grafeia twn ypoyrgeiwn gia na lysoyn ypoqeseis toys, mias kai h metafora twn qematwn poy toys apasxoloyn, ypo thn ennoia ths metaforas politikhs kai oikonomikhs ejoysias sta organa ths Perifereias -stis Genikes Grammateies twn Perifereiwn, tis Nomarxies h toys Dhmoys- exei se megalo baqmo syntelestei. Ara, den yparxei logos ta ypoyrgeia na paizoyn to rolo poy epaizan stis prohgoymenes dekaeties.

MIXAHL: Kai genika gyrw apo to pleonazon proswpiko, to pws qa diataxqei, meta toys neoys Organismoys, ti qa ginei me ola ayta, egine syzhthsh kaqoloy;

REPPAS: Den egine ektetamenh syzhthsh panw s' ayto to qema. Symfwnhsame oti qa prepei na oloklhrwqei h diadikasia katartishs twn newn organismwn. Afoy teqoyn se leitoyrgia oi neoi organismoi kai gnwrizoyme poies einai oi anagkes kaqe ypoyrgeioy, kaqe dhmosias yphresias, tote qa ejetasoyme ola ta endexomena, prokeimenoy h stelexwsh aytwn twn yphresiwn poy problepontai stoys organismoys, na einai h kalyterh dynath. Mexri tote den einai dynato na proxwrhseis se tetoioy eidoys politikes. Kai prepei na sas pw oti to pneyma to opoio prepei na apotypwnetai se aytoys toys neoys organismoys, qa antanakla politikes kai den qa anaparagei "organwtistika" sxhmata, ta gnwsta "koytia", ta opoia gia para polla xronia apetelesan enan odhgo, enan piloto, gia thn katartish twn organismwn sto Dhmosio. Qa prepei na doyme poies einai oi politikes proteraiothtes kai oi politikes aytes qa prepei na antanaklwntai sthn katartish twn organismwn. Oi dioikhtikes monades den yparxoyn ws aytoskopos. Yparxoyn gia na ejyphretoyn toys polites kai na prowqoyn sygkekrimenes politikes. Yp` ayto to prisma qa ginei syzhthsh gia thn katartish twn newn organismwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Syzhthqhke kaqoloy to qema ths Paideias;

REPPAS: Den syzhthqhke tetoio qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den apasxolei ton Prwqypoyrgo to qema ths paideias; Exoyme ekatontades katalhceis sxoleiwn apo xqes. Kai shmera, synexizontai. Den ton apasxolei to qema;

REPPAS: Thn Kybernhsh, asfalws, thn apasxolei to qema kai gnwrizete oti o Prwqypoyrgos, molis proxqes, apanthse sto plaisio ths koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias "H wra toy Prwqypoyrgoy" se sxetikh erwthsh synadelfoy ths Neas Dhmokratias, oson afora thn proodo ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. Apasxolei, loipon, kai ton Prwqypoyrgo to qema kai bebaiws, poly perissotero, synexws kai adialeiptws, to armodio Ypoyrgeio Paideias. Gnwrizete oti gi` ayta ta qemata exei ginei ektetamenh syzhthsh. Pisteyoyme oti h enhmerwsh, h opoia qa prepei na einai plhrhs kai den einai sto baqmo poy emeis epiqymoyme, polles fores dhmioyrgei tetoioy eidoys problhmata. Exoyme dyskolies sth leitoyrgia twn sxoleiwn. Den exoyme pantoy katalhceis. O ariqmos ston opoio anafereste, den einai ariqmos poy afora katalhceis. Exoyme parempodish leitoyrgias para pollwn sxoleiwn. Pisteyoyme, omws, oti ayto exei sxesh me thn antilhch poy exoyn polloi leitoyrgoi ths ekpaideyshs -milw kai gia toys kaqhghtes. Mia antilhch h opoia, kata th dikh mas apoch, einai aparxaiwmenh. Den exei kamia sxesh me to sygxrono pneyma, to opoio prepei na diakatexei to ekpaideytiko systhma ths xwras. Kai jerete oti oi allages poy eperxontai me thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish "epibarynoyn" toys idioys toys leitoyrgoys toy ekpaideytikoy systhmatos, toys kaqhghtes. Qa prepei na meletoyn giati qa ajiologeitai h apodosh toys. Qa ajiologeitai to ergo toys. Einai kati poy den to epiqymoyn. Epiteloys, omws, qa prepei -kai ayto einai to nohma, metajy twn allwn kai ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs- na mpei mia tajh. Poly perissotero se enan toso neyralgiko tomea. Oloi aytoi oi opoioi antidroyn, eite giati qeloyn na epanelqoyme sthn epethrida, eite epeidh den qeloyn na yparxoyn mhxanismoi ajiologhshs, eite epeidh pisteyoyn oti qigontai syntexniaka h proswpika toys symferonta, den einai dynato na epikrathsoyn. Giati h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish apotelei wrimo aithma kai anagkh -an qelete- gia thn ellhnikh koinwnia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, ta paidia poy kanoyn katalhceis, apo syntexniaka symferonta tis kanoyn;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala, apo thn apanthsh poy edwsa, se poioys anaferomai. Hmoyn toso safhs, wste den einai anagkh na to epanalabw. Milhsa gia thn elliph enhmerwsh poy yparxei. Qa prepei na enteinoyme thn prospaqeia mas s` ayto ton tomea, giati h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish einai panw ap` ola pros to symferon twn maqhtwn. Kai mhn jexnate oti oi maqhtes sthn Ellada einai polles xiliades. Etsi, otan milate gia maqhtes, parakalw na mhn periorizete ayth th megalh koinwnikh omada -poy oloys mas endiaferei na th frontisoyme kai na thn yposthrijoyme, sthn ekpaideytikh prospaqeia poy kanei- se aytoys oi opoioi probainoyn se tetoies prajeis. Den einai mono aytoi maqhtes, einai poly perissoteroi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh den exoyn enhmerwsh, opws lete, poios ftaiei;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh, di` emoy, analambanei olh thn eyqynh gia to oti den yparxei eparkhs enhmerwsh twn politwn gia ta erga kai tis hmeres ths Kybernhshs. Giati, an yphrxe ayth h enhmerwsh, sto baqmo poy einai xrhsimh kai anagkaia, polla pragmata qa antimetwpizontan diaforetika apo polloys kai apo esas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prokeitai na parei metra, enantion aytwn poy den ekanan thn enhmerwsh;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh pairnei metra kai analambanei prwtoboylies gia na beltiwsei to epipedo zwhs sth xwra kai na dhmioyrghsei kalyteres synqhkes kai sto ekpaideytiko systhma. Ayto to exei kanei se megalo baqmo. To oti yparxoyn dynameis oi opoies antidroyn alles fores apo kakopistia kai alles fores apo elliph enhmerwsh -kai edw sygkatalegw kai ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs, sygkatalegw, polles fores, kai dhmosiografoys, poy xwris eparkh enhmerwsh kai me kakopisth diaqesh, sxoliazoyn ola ayta ta qemata- einai gnwrisma ths Dhmokratias. Den qa prepei na mas enoxloyn. Qa prepei na synexisoyme thn prospaqeia mas katw apo aytes tis synqhkes poy syxna einai antijoes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poioys ennoeite, kyrie Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Oloys ekeinoys, oi opoioi exoyn logoys na blepoyn ton eayto toys s` ayta ta opoia eipa kai egw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Opoioi sas kanoyn kritikh, dhladh; Sas enoxlei;

REPPAS: Eipa oti ayto einai gnwrisma ths Dhmokratias. Kai h pistopoihsh ths Dhmokratias einai h kritikh poy kanete. Kai otan lew Dhmokratia ennow oti, opws yparxei h pleiochfia h dikh mas, yparxei kai h meiochfia twn allwn. Gi` ayto, akribws, qa prepei na synexisei na leitoyrgei h Dhmokratia kai na yposthrizoyn toys dhmokratikoys qesmoys kai th leitoyrgia toys kai aytoi poy anhkoyn sthn pleiochfia, opws emeis, kai aytoi poy anhkoyn sth meiochfia, opws kapoioi alloi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den sas aresei ayto.

REPPAS: Pws den mas aresei; Mas aresei poly. Na anhkoyme sthn pleiochfia kai na anhkete sth meiochfia, mas aresei para poly.

ELENOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mia dieykrinish kai exei sxesh me ton oro poy xrhsimopoihqhke peri katalhcewn. Eseis xrhsimopoihsate mia allh lejh, th lejh "parempodish". Qelw perissoteres dieykriniseis kai rwtw epi twn eyqynwn. Milate gia parempodish apo kapoioys, wste na mh leitoyrgoyn ta sxoleia. Mpainoyn edw eyqynes, qa lhfqoyn metra; Sygkekrimena pragmata.

REPPAS: Opoy ekdhlwnontai tetoioy eidoys fainomena ta opoia synistoyn kai paranomes prajeis, qa antimetwpistoyn analogws. Opoy, omws, yparxoyn paranomes prajeis.

GARGALAKOS: Exei anakycei ena problhma me tis kyries Panagopoyloy kai Aggelopoyloy se o, ti afora tis armodiothtes toys. To erwthma einai an ayto to problhma apasxolei thn Kybernhsh kai telos pantwn ti symbainei me ayto to qema;

REPPAS: To Ypoyrgiko Symboylio exei apofasisei to diorismo ap' eyqeias ek proswpikothtwn ths kyrias Aggelopoyloy sth qesh toy Presbh. Me apofash toy Yfypoyrgoy Aqlhtismoy h ka Panagopoyloy exei diadexqei ton k. Tzika, o opoios kateixe ayth th qesh, thn prohgoymenh periodo, gia thn proodo toy pneymatos toy ey agwnizesqe sth Dieqnh Koinothta. Gia to idio qema exoyn orisei ekproswpoys kai polles alles xwres kai den yparxei sygxysh armodiothtwn. Den yparxei kamia emplokh rolwn kai bebaiws to status den einai to idio. Ara den dikaiologeitai opoiadhpote parermhneia kai qewrw oti ola ayta ta dhmosieymata einai kakoboyla, giati den exoyn pragmatikh bash.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Exei apofasisei h Kybernhsh ti qa kanei me thn eisprajh twn dhmotikwn telwn; Rwtaw giati ekane mia dhlwsh, prin apo ligo, o k. Papadopoylos. Ti akribws qa ginei;

REPPAS: Ayto to qema exei teqei. Gnwrizete oti proxwrhsame shmera sth syzhthsh twn qematwn poy aforoyn toys neoys organismoys twn Ypoyrgeiwn. Den syzhthsame alla parempiptonta qemata, oyte ayto to sygkekrimeno qema. Ayto to qema omws exei teqei ek twn pragmatwn. Gnwrizete oti exoyme proxwrhsei, to teleytaio diasthma, sth meiwsh toy Foroy Prostiqemenhs Ajias, oson afora toys logariasmoys toy hlektrikoy reymatos. Aytos o opoios ws katanalwths plhrwnei to logariasmo toy sth DEH, gnwrizete oti plhrwnei me thn idia akribws diadikasia ta dhmotika telh, opws kai kapoia alla telh. Qa prepei na epidiwxqei h asfalhs eisprajh twn telwn aytwn, afenos, afeteroy omws qa prepei na einai safes oti ta xrhmata ayta den apodidontai sth DEH, giati yparxoyn para polloi poy pisteyoyn oti ta xrhmata ayta apodidontai sta Tameia ths DEH, pragma to opoio den symbainei. Gnwrizete epishs, oti meiwsame to F. P. A., prokeimenoy na elafrynqei o katanalwths, alla na xrhsimopoihqei ayto to metro kai sto plaisio ths antiplhqwristikhs politikhs mas. Ean exoyme, apo thn allh, ypermetrh ayjhsh twn dhmotikwn telwn, aytoi oi idioi logariasmoi ths DEH qa einai ypermetra diogkwmenoi, me apotelesma na aporei kai o idios o poliths, pws einai dynaton apo th mia na ejaggelloyme kai na apofasizoyme meiwseis kai apo thn allh na kaleitai na plhrwnei poly ychlotera posa apo ayta poy plhrwne mexri twra. Einai ena qema ayto. Den exei lhfqei kapoia apofash, alla to qema exei teqei.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Kai gia thn ERT isxyei to idio;

REPPAS: Oson afora thn ERT, gnwrizete poly kala, oti -molis proxqes sto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs epibebaiwqhke- exei epifylaxqei gia toys dhmosioys radiothleoptikoys foreis mia idiaiterh apostolh, enas eidikos rolos kai den einai dynaton enas dhmosios radiothleoptikos foreas, opws h ERT, na apojenwqei apo oles ekeines tis dieykolynseis poy exei, prokeimenoy na antapokriqei s` ayth thn apostolh. Apla qa prepei me toys idioys oroys, opws kai ta idiwtika radiothleoptika mesa, na kineitai sthn agora, me apotelesma omws h staqmh kai h poiothta twn programmatwn ths na mhn epitrepetai na krinetai me ta idia krithria, opws mexri twra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, h DEH qa stamathsei na eisprattei;

REPPAS: Den exei lhfqei opoiadhpote tetoia apofash. Apanthsa prin ston k. Xasapopoylo.

KARGOYDH: Exei oristikopoihqei hmeromhnia synanthshs Shmith - Srenter;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei th Germania stis arxes Dekembrioy. Qa synanthqei stis 7 toy mhna me to Germano Kagkelario. Sto plaisio ayths ths episkechs qa exei synanthseis me diaforoys paragontes. P. x. stis 5 Dekembrioy qa synanthqei kai me to neo Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ton k. Fiser, sth Frankfoyrth.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sto idio qema. Qa qesei to qema twn apozhmiwsewn o Prwqypoyrgos pros ton k. Srenter ayth th fora;

REPPAS: Gia to qema ayto syzhthsame teleytaia. Eixate tis apanthseis kai ta sxolia moy. Gnwrizete oti kai to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn exei ekdwsei sxetikh anakoinwsh sthn opoia ekfrazontai me apolyth safhneia oi qeseis ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs. Aytes einai oi qeseis ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs kai parakalw na qewrhsete oti einai toso safeis kai telikes, wste den epitrepetai opoiadhpote amfibolia kai peraiterw syzhthsh epi toy qematos aytoy. Ayth einai h politikh mas kai thn politikh ayth th qetoyme se kaqe eykairia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti apantate sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn ths Germanias poy leei oti "den sas xrwstame tipota, mas xrwstate ki apo panw";

REPPAS: Exoyme dwsei apanthsh me tis qeseis tis opoies analytikws exoyme anaferei, toso egw, oso kai to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn sth sxetikh anakoinwsh poy ejedwse.

STAMATOPOYLOS: En pash periptwsei, qa to qesei to qema ayto twra;

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin.

* Qelw na diatypwsw ena mikro parapono: Eida mia efhmerida, ths opoias o syntakths den blepw na brisketai shmera edw, na grafei oti egw mataiwsa th xqesinh politikh enhmerwsh. Gnwrizete oti ayto den antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia. Gia thn alhqeia twn pragmatwn, egw xqes hmoyn parwn sth synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me thn POESY, opws moy eixe zhthqei apo thn idia thn Omospondia sas. O k. Kiaos, o opoios einai melos ths POESY, moy eixe metaferei ayth th qesh. Egw dexthka na eimai parwn, molonoti qelw na eimai panta edw sth mia h wra mazi sas kai na syzhtoyme ta qemata ths epikairothtas. Apo kei kai pera, eipa oti qa kanoyme th syzhthsh molis teleiwsei h synanthsh sto Megaro Majimoy.

Sas eyxaristw kai kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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