Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-10-08

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 8 Oktwbrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Qa hqela na sas anakoinwsw oti to Kybernhtiko Symboylio Ejwterikwn kai Amynas (KYSEA) qa synedriasei ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, me antikeimeno syzhthshs thn poreia toy ejoplistikoy programmatos. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KIAOS: Ti mesolabhse kai oristikopoihqhke twra h ayrianh synedriash;

REPPAS: Xqes, ews arga to brady synedriase sto Pentagwno to Symboylio Amynas kai oloklhrwqhke h proergasia. Einai etoimh h eishghsh poy qa syzhthqei ayrio kai shmera o Prwqypoyrgos esteile prosklhseis sta melh toy KYSEA gia na proselqoyn sth synedriash toy organoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Synanthqhke o Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo;

REPPAS: Qa synanthqoyn se mia wra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes, mas eipate oti qa synanthqoyn ayrio kai qa apofasisoyn.

REPPAS: Eipa oti qa exoyn synergasia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epikoinwnhsan;

REPPAS: Epikoinwnoyn taktika. Eixan thlefwnikh epikoinwnia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epikoinwnhsan thlefwnika prin anakoinwqei h synedriash toy KYSEA;

REPPAS: Exoyn epikoinwnhsei polles fores aytes tis hmeres. Epikoinwnhsan kai xqes thlefwnika, epikoinwnhsan kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres.

MIXAHL: Pragmati th Deytera mas eipate oti piqanotata qa synedriasei to KYSEA. Omws, diapistwsame oti xreiasthke h opws lete thlefwnikes synennohseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Tsoxatzopoyloy gia na oristikopoihqei ayth h synedriash. Giati xreiasthkan aytes oi synennohseis;

REPPAS: Tipota den xreiasthke. O Prwqypoyrgos prin apeyqynei thn prosklhsh eprepe na einai enhmeros, wste na apofasisei th synedriash toy KYSEA. Gi` ayto, akribws, apo thn arxh krathsa mia epifylajh, xwris ayto na shmainei oti h epifylajh ayth odhgoyse sto na mh synedriasei to KYSEA. Apla, egw den hmoyn ejoysiodothmenos na anakoinwsw synedriash kybernhtikoy organoy gia thn Paraskeyh. Omws, sas proideasa, opws sas eipa, gia na dieykolynw to ergo sas. Apo ekei kai pera dhmioyrghqhke ek toy mh ontos ena qema. Elhje.

KIAOS: Mia dieykrinish. Epeidh, o men k. Tsoxatzopoylos htan kathgorhmatikos, xqes, kai akribws thn idia wra eseis oysiastika legate den qa ginei. Ayto einai to qema.

REPPAS: Den eipa "den qa ginei". Hmoyn epifylaktikos, giati den eixa to "prasino fws" gia na anakoinwsw th synedriash toy KYSEA.

MIXAHL: Allo h epifylajh h dikh sas kai allo h kathgorhmatikothta arnhshs toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy.

REPPAS: Egw gnwrizw oti shmera o Prwqypoyrgos aphyqyne thn prosklhsh. Ayto einai dedomeno kai gi` ayto sas anakoinwsa oti qa synedriasei to KYSEA. Olo ayto to qema, an qelete, einai apotelesma seiras parejhghsewn kai paranohsewn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos apo poy eixe plhroforhsh;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se ola ayta ta qemata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo ton Prwqypoyrgo den eixe plhroforhsh;

REPPAS: Asfalws eixe. Egw eprepe na eimai kathgorhmatikos gia thn anakoinwsh ths synedriashs toy KYSEA, otan pleon eixan stalei oi prosklhseis kai eixe oristikopoihqei h synedriash.

KARASABBA: Peran ths syzhthshs toy ejoplistikoy programmatos qa syzhthqei kai kapoio allo qema sto KYSEA;

REPPAS: Synhqws, stis synedriaseis kybernhtikwn organwn ginetai mia anafora kai se qemata ths epikairothtas. Den exei prosdioristei kai den periexetai sthn hmerhsia diatajh, h opoia exei dianemhqei, kapoio allo qema. Bebaiws, ginontai kapoies anakoinwseis, kapoies epishmanseis apo ton Prwqypoyrgo h apo kapoio melos toy organoy poy mporei na qewrhsei xrhsimo na diatypwsei mia apoch gia ena paremferes qema poy anhkei sthn armodiothta toy organoy poy synedriazei. Ayto, omws, einai kati to opoio den mporoyme na to poyme ayth thn wra, prosdiorizontas sygkekrimena kai to qema.

KARASABBA: Apokleietai, dhladh, na syzhthqei kai to qema toy Kossoboy kai kata poson exei zhthqei h syndromh twn Ellhnikwn Enoplwn Dynamewn se mia piqanh aeroporikh epixeirhsh sto Kossobo;

REPPAS: Milhsa, molis prin gia to xarakthra poy exoyn oi synedriaseis kybernhtikwn organwn. Prin ginei h synedriash toy KYSEA, den mporw na pw poia qa einai h syzhthsh, h opoia qa ginei. Ayto qa to gnwrizoyme meta th synedriash. Sas eipa poies dynatothtes yparxoyn, apo thn pleyra toy proedreyontos, dhladh toy Prwqypoyrgoy h twn melwn toy kybernhtikoy organoy, na teqoyn diafora qemata epikairothtas.

SOYRMELH: Eipate oti qa ejetastei h poreia toy ejoplistikoy programmatos. Dhladh qa anaggelqoyn apofaseis h aplws qa ejetastei to ejoplistiko programma;

REPPAS: An lhfqoyn apofaseis, qa anakoinwqoyn oi apofaseis.

SOYRMELH: To deytero erwthma moy einai: Esteile to NATO kapoia ermhneia, kapoio erwthma gia th symmetoxh ths Elladas, ti qa ginei dhladh an symmetasxei kai h Ellada;

REPPAS: Den exei prokycei o, tidhpote neotero, to opoio na apotelei neo dedomeno se sxesh me ayta poy gnwrizete. Oi diaboyleyseis einai se ejelijh gia to qema ths antimetwpishs ths krishs sto Kossyfopedio. Parakoloyqoyme me endiaferon kai symmetexoyme s` aytes tis diaboyleyseis, epeidh eimaste xwra-melos toy NATO. Gnwrizete oti to Sabbato sygkaleitai synedriash organoy, ekproswpwn twn xwrwn toy NATO. Fainetai oti h synedriash ayth einai synedriash yphresiakwn paragontwn. Ola ayta ta qemata ta antimetwpizoyme analoga me to ryqmo me ton opoio ejelissontai oi diaboyleyseis.

KIAOS: Prokeitai na synanthqei o Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Pagkalo;

REPPAS: Synantwntai ayth thn wra.

KIAOS: Perissotera ep` aytoy den exete;

REPPAS: Asfalws, qa syzhthsoyn qemata ths epikairothtas. Gnwrizete oti th Deytera jekina sthn Attaleia h Diaskech twn Balkanikwn xwrwn. Gnwrizete, epishs, oti logw ths idiothtas mas ws xwras-meloys toy NATO, parakoloyqoyme tis ejelijeis gia thn krish sto Kossyfopedio kai ayto einai ena qema to opoio qa syzhthqei.

PETOYRH: O Prwqypoyrgos eixe anakoinwsei stoys Delfoys, meta th lhjh ths trimeroys synanthshs, oti oi treis hgetes, o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos kai oi Proedroi ths Roymanias kai ths Boylgarias, qa analaboyn prwtoboylia sth Diaskech ths Attaleias gia thn ektonwsh ths krishs sto Kossobo kai qa synanthqoyn me ton Proedro ths Gioygkoslabias kai ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Albanias. Yparxei kapoia proergasia pros ayth thn kateyqynsh;

REPPAS: H qesh twn triwn xwrwn apotypwnetai sta porismata ths synergasias toys stoys Delfoys. Den gnwrizoyme ayth thn wra, an sth Diaskech ths Attaleias qa symmetasxoyn oi ekproswpoi ths Gioygkoslabias kai ths Albanias, sto ychlotero epipedo. O Proedros k. Milosebits kai o Prwqypoyrgos k. Maiko. Oi plhrofories poy yparxoyn lene pws einai epifylaktikoi, gia diaforetikoys logoys o kaqenas. Ara, ayth thn wra einai prowro na poyme o, tidhpote, se sxesh me prwtoboylies poy qa analhfqoyn. Pantws, mh qewrhsete oti h drash thn opoia analambanoyn oi treis hgetes qa einai drash thn opoia qa analaboyn apo koinoy oi treis apenanti se kapoioys alloys hgetes twn Balkaniwn. Apla, oi treis hgetes diatypwsan ena politiko plaisio, sto opoio sympiptoyn oi treis xwres, gia thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos sto Kossyfopedio.

KARGOYDH: Dedomenhs ths mh programmatismenhs synanthshs toy k. Shmith me ton k. Pagkalo kai twn ejelijewn sxetika me to Kossobo, mporoyme na ypoqesoyme oti ayto qa einai to kyriarxo qema sto KYSEA;

REPPAS: Oxi. To qema toy KYSEA sas anakoinwsa poio einai. Perilambanetai sthn hmerhsia diatajh poy exei dianemhqei.

KARGOYDH: Oti akoma kai to qema twn ejoplismwn ephreazetai apo to qema toy Kossyfopedioy;

REPPAS: Mporeite na kanete mia ypoqesh oti sto plaisio ths synedriashs toy KYSEA qa ginei enhmerwsh gia tis ejelijeis sthn perioxh, se sxesh me to Kossyfopedio h kai gia kapoia alla paremferh qemata. Ayto qa to gnwrizoyme, omws, epanalambanw, otan oloklhrwqei h synedriash.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Grafetai shmera oti yparxei mia diastash apocewn stis xwres toy NATO gia thn anagkaiothta ths epembashs. Qa hqela na moy peite, apo tis plhrofories poy exete eseis san Kybernhsh, an yparxoyn kai alles dynameis mesa sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh poy na exoyn analoges epifylajeis; Giati grafetai oti, enw oi strathgoi einai etoimoi, se politiko epipedo yparxoyn entonotates epifylajeis. Kai den ennow fysika tis xwres toy perigyroy. Ennow tis xwres poy einai melh ths Atlantikhs Symmaxias.

REPPAS: O Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos eixe epikoinwnia me hgetes eyrwpaikwn xwrwn tis prohgoymenes hmeres. Oloi oi hgetes qewroyn oti qa prepei na doqei h dynatothta na ejeyreqei politikh lysh mesw synennohshs kai dialogoy. Bebaiws, oi Eyrwpaioi hgetes exoyn se diaforetiko baqmo mia epifylajh, gia to kata poso einai diateqeimenos na antapokriqei stis ypoxrewseis, poy me palaioterh apofash toy OHE exei analabei, o k. Milosebits. Ayth h diadikasia diaboyleysewn den exei oloklhrwqei, gi` ayto den einai orqo ayth thn wra na proejoflhsoyme kai na prokatalaboyme gia to poia qa einai h stash twn xwrwn ths E. E., enocei ayths ths krishs. Gnwrizete poly kala oti den exei synedriasei kapoio eidiko organo ths E. E., wste ekei epishmws na apotypwqoyn oi apoceis twn ekproswpwn twn xwrwn-melwn ths E. E. H diaboyleysh ayth ginetai atypws afenos kai afeteroy sto plaisio twn diadikasiwn toy NATO. Me ayth thn ennoia, qa perimenoyme tis epomenes hmeres na oloklhrwqei aytos o kyklos diaboyleysewn, gia na gnwrizoyme pws ejelissontai akribws ta pragmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes, o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs ebgale to porisma gia to qanato toy Sorin Matei, legontas oti ayta ta opoia kataggelqhkan, eipan, oi dyo gynaikes einai "farsa h sthmena". Einai dynaton o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs na kanei tetoies dhlwseis otan synexizetai h ereyna;

REPPAS: O Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs epopteyei tis ereynes kai exei plhrofories. Den ekdidei porisma. To porisma to ekdidoyn oi armodies Yphresies kai Arxes poy epilambanontai ths ereynas. O k. Giannopoylos, gnwrizete poly kala, exei enan allo rolo: afenos, na diasfalisei thn akwlyth proodo twn ereynwn kai thn oloklhrwsh toys kai afeteroy, bebaiws, exei thn politikh eyqynh na mhn epitrecei na dhmioyrgoyntai entypwseis oi opoies einai dynato na dysxeranoyn ayth thn ereyna. Poly perissotero otan den prokyptei mia tekmhriwsh kai stoixeioqethsh pollwn poy legontai kai grafontai, me apotelesma na dhmioyrgeitai mia sygxysh. Ayth th sygxysh prepei na thn antimetwpisei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ma, ayta poy eipe o k. Giannopoylos den dysxerainoyn to ergo ths ereynas, den thn kateyqynoyn;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti o k. Giannopoylos einai aytos o opoios epedeije apolyth etoimothta kai edwse amesws entolh na dienerghqei ereyna se tria epipeda: Apo iatrodikastes, apo dikastes ths taktikhs dikaiosynhs, alla kai apo ton epopth-proistameno twn fylakwn Korydalloy. Me ayth thn ennoia, einai o politikos o opoios edeije thn kateyqynsh gia na lamcei h alhqeia kai oxi gia na sygkalycei, isws, kapoia ypoqesh. Me ayth thn ennoia, loipon, den dikaiologeitai ayth h emmesh momfh. O k. Giannopoylos exei anaqesei thn ereyna se sygkekrimena organa, to ergo twn opoiwn einai sebasto. Qa anamenoyme thn oloklhrwsh toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epimenw. Ta organa ayta den ephreazontai apo ayta poy leei o k. Giannopoylos;

REPPAS: Kaqoloy den ephreazontai, doqentos oti synexizoyn aperispasta to ergo toys. O k. Giannopoylos den parembainei s` ayto to ergo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Toys dinei kateyqynsh, omws.

REPPAS: Kamia kateyqynsh den dinei o k. Giannopoylos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Otan toys leei "farsa"...

REPPAS: An hqele na dwsei kateyqynsh o k. Giannopoylos qa eixe apofygei na dwsei entolh na jekinhsoyn aytes oi diadikasies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den mporoyse na mhn to kanei. To xrewqhke.

REPPAS: Eipa apo thn prwth stigmh -kai ayth einai h kateyqynsh poy dinei o k. Giannopoylos, poy einai kai kateyqynsh ths Kybernhshs- oti qa lamcei h alhqeia. Qa doqoyn sth dhmosiothta ola ta stoixeia ta opoia qa prokycoyn meta apo thn ereyna, gia na gnwrizete pws ejelixqhke ayth h ypoqesh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: An mesa sto porisma yparxei oti htan farsa twn gynaikwn h oti htan kapoio sthmeno, tote den qa eixe ephreastei to porisma, an yparxoyn ayta mesa;

REPPAS: Giati prokatalambanete to apotelesma; Giati na kanoyme mia ypoqesh thn wra poy den exei ekdoqei to porisma;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den prokatalambanw. Lew, an yparxoyn, qa exei dwsei, tote, grammh;

REPPAS: Ma, einai dynaton, otan leme, eyqys ej arxhs, oti epiqymoyme na lamcei h alhqeia, otan dinoyme to "prasino fws" gia na ginoyn ereynes pros oles tis kateyqynseis, na qewreite pws emeis oi idioi poy epiqymoyme ayth thn ejelijh twn pragmatwn, na qeloyme apo thn allh na yponomeysoyme thn ejelijh ayth; Kaqe allo!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati ta eipe, tote, k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Apanthsa, prin, me leptomereia s` ayth thn erwthsh sas.

BITSENTZOY: Me bash tis plhrofories poy eixame, xqes, oti epikoinwnhse thlefwnika o Ellhnas Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn me ton Milosebits kai ton Giobanobits, exei tetoies plhrofories h ellhnikh Kybernhsh poy na ths epitrepoyn na kaqysterei thn ekdosh odhgias gia toys Ellhnes poy zoyn sth Gioygkoslabia;

REPPAS: Den exoyme kanena logo na ekdwsoyme kapoia odhgia. Emeis eimaste parontes sth geitonikh xwra. Gnwrizoyme oti alles kybernhseis antimetwpizoyn to endexomeno aposyrshs twn diplwmatikwn antiproswpeiwn toys. Den einai ayto sth dikh mas epilogh. Oi diplwmatikes arxes paramenoyn sth geitonikh xwra. Kai bebaiws, efoson epiqymoyn Ellhnes poy diabioyn ekei na toys prosferqei bohqeia gia na metakinhqoyn apo th Gioygkoslabia, oi diplwmatikes arxes qa kanoyn o, ti epiballetai s` aytes tis periptwseis. Kata ta alla den qewroyme xrhsimo, gia logoys toys opoioys aneptyja kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres, na laboyme mia allh apofash ayth thn wra.

ALEJAKH: Pws sxoliazete prwtoselido dhmosieyma ths "AQHNAtKHS" symfwna me to opoio sthn eisagwgh toy OTE sto Xrhmatisthrio, alla kai sthn pwlhsh twn KAE mesolabhsan trita proswpa;

REPPAS: Ti ennoeite "mesolabhsan trita proswpa";

ALEJAKH: H efhmerida moy anaferei oti sthn pwlhsh twn KAE mesolabhse h korh toy k. Karatza kai sto qema ths metoxopoihshs toy OTE, o gios toy k. Manoy, o opoios einai symboylos se eidikh etairia poy asxoleitai me to qema ayto.

REPPAS: Sas parapempw sthn apanthsh poy edwse sth Boylh o k. Xristodoylakhs, o armodios Yfypoyrgos Oikonomikwn. Apo ekei kai pera, ola ayta exoyn apanthqei. Epiprosqetws exei kanei sxetikh dhlwsh kai o k. Karatzas, poy antimetwpizei ola ayta ta sxolia ta opoia kakoboyla edw kai arketes hmeres exoyn diatypwqei. Pisteyw oti den qa prepei na epidoqoyme se ena "kynhgi magisswn". Ayto to lew genikws, anaferomenos se syggeneis h paidia politikwn paragontwn, giati oysiastikws einai san na ta topoqetoyme se mia kathgoria meionektoyntwn atomwn apo apoch dikaiwmatwn, se sxesh me ta alla atoma.

ALEJAKH: Ma, exoyn tosa polla dikaiwmata poy orismenes fores...

REPPAS: Den qa prepei na exoyn ayjhmena dikaiwmata...

ALEJAKH: Exoyn, omws.

REPPAS: ... alla den qa prepei na einai kai periorismena ta dikaiwmata toys. Efoson exoyn mia nomimh epaggelmatikh drasthriothta, qa toys epitrepoyme na thn askoyn kai na krinontai gi` aythn. Oxi gia tis syggeneies toys.

KIAOS: Otan -kai pro ebdomados- kai alles fores sas rwthsame gia orismena onomata -tipota perissotero- sthn ypoqesh Matei Sorin, apanthsate oti apo th stigmh poy ginetai ereyna den exete na peite tipota kai, se xontres grammes, mas parapemcate ekei. O k. Giannopoylos o opoios, opws eipate, epopteyei kai exei kai plhrofories, giati bgainei kai kanei dhlwseis; Giati ayth h diaforetikh stash enos Ypoyrgoy opws eseis, poy eiste kai Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, kai diaforetikh stash toy alloy Ypoyrgoy sto idio qema;

REPPAS: Gia dyo poly aploys logoys. Prwton, dioti, opws apanthsa prin, se sxetikh erwthsh toy k. Stamatopoyloy, den prepei na dhmioyrgeitai sygxysh, enw ejelissontai oi ereynes. Kai deyteron, egw, ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, den exw alles plhrofories. Gnwrizete poly kala oti diatypwnw mia genikh qesh poy apotelei kai to plaisio gia th stash ths Kybernhshs apenanti se kapoio zhthma poy apasxolei thn koinh gnwmh. Kai paramenw s` ayto to plaisio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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