Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-10-07

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 7 Oktwbrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

SOYGLERHS: Poioi einai oi logoi poy apofasisthke allh hmeromhnia toy KYSEA, anti gia thn Paraskeyh;

REPPAS: Den eixe anakoinwqei oti qa synedriasei to KYSEA thn Paraskeyh. Einai kati gia to opoio epifylaxqhkame na to oristikopoihsoyme kai qa to anakoinwsoyme otan lhfqei h telikh apofash.

FILHS: Prin apo tis ekloges;

REPPAS: Prin apo tis ekloges toy 2000!

KIAOS: Mporeite na prosdiorisete thn wrimansh toy antikeimenoy, opws legate kai xqes ton oro, xronika;

REPPAS: Akoyste, giati eida kai sth dikh sas efhmerida oti exei ginei megalo qema kai moy projenei entypwsh: Apo thn prwth hmera, apo th Deytera, milwntas gia to programma ths ebdomadas eipa, oti oson afora th synedriash kybernhtikoy organoy thn Paraskeyh, qa epifylaxqw na sas enhmerwsw tis epomenes hmeres. Mporoysa na stamathsw ekei. Apla -gia th dieykolynsh sas, gia na exete enan prosanatolismo, mia idea- eipa oti to KYSEA einai to organo poy mporei na synedriasei thn Paraskeyh, efoson synedriasei kybernhtiko organo. Alla, ayto, eipa oti qa sas to anakoinwsw, tis epomenes hmeres. Epanaferate to qema xqes kai sas eipa oti den exei lhfqei tetoia apofash.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den wrimase;

REPPAS: Me sygxwreite poly. Prwta ap` ola den yparxei wrimo h anwrimo antikeimeno. Milhsa gia mia katastash. Oson afora to sygkekrimeno qema synedriashs, qa apofasistei, afoy oloklhrwqei enas kyklos synergasiwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys synergates toy. Den to eipa ayto apo thn prwth hmera; Kai den antilambanomai giati egine qema h antilambanomai giati egine qema, alla pantws den prepei me ayto ton tropo na bgazete ena politiko symperasma, gia to poia skopimothta krybetai, dhqen, pisw apo tetoies energeies, giati den yparxei opoiadhpote skopimothta. Den krybetai apolytws tipota.

KIAOS: An mporeite na dieykrinisete "an kai pragmati antilambanomai, giati egine qema", ti ennoeite; Ti antilambaneste;

REPPAS: Eida thn efhmerida sas kai mono s` ayth egine megalo qema h synedriash toy kybernhtikoy organoy, xwris na yparxei logos. Giati einai mia praktikh poy akoloyqoyme, edw kai poly kairo, orismenes synedriaseis kybernhtikwn organwn na mhn anakoinwnontai apo thn prwth hmera ths ebdomadas, alla tis epomenes hmeres. Ayto qa ginei kai gia th sygkekrimenh synedriash. An menate s` ayto, den qa yphrxe opoiadhpote peraiterw syzhthsh. Proklhqhke mia syzhthsh aney antikeimenoy, kata thn apoch moy.

KIAOS: Epimenw na moy dieykrinisete ayto poy eipate eseis "antilambanomai giati egine"...

REPPAS: Giati qelate, k. Kiao, poy eisaste parwn edw kai qesate erwthseis, opws fainetai apo to xqesino keimeno ths politikhs enhmerwshs, na anadeijete ena qema poy kata th gnwmh sas kati krybei. Sas lew, loipon, kathgorhmatika kai sas diabebaiwnw oti den ypokryptetai apolytws tipota. Eseis exete mia allh apoch kai qelate ayth na probalete kai sas lew, loipon, oti den exete dikio. Kai epimenw s` ayto. Den yparxei tipota allo.

KIAOS: Ayto einai mia emmesh momfh...

REPPAS: Kamia momfh.

KIAOS: Giati prokatabolika erxeste na kanete qema...

REPPAS: Oxi, k. Kiao. Eseis anadeiknyete ta qemata, poy nomizete oti exoyn mia spoydaiothta kai ena idiaitero endiaferon. Egw apo thn pleyra moy sas lew oti den exei kanena idiaitero endiaferon, den krybei opoiadhpote skopimothta aytos o xeirismos. Einai xeirismos, o opoios exei ginei kat` epanalhch. To gnwrizete poly kala, eseis idiaiterws poy eiste apo toys monimoys, qa elega, eiste synexws parwn edw, s` ayth thn aiqoysa, ara den dikaiologeitai ejagwgh allwn symperasmatwn. Giati, den yparxei tipota allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, den qa synedriasei to KYSEA thn Paraskeyh. Poio organo qa synedriasei;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei apo th Deytera gia to qema ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den qa synedriasei kanena organo thn Paraskeyh;

REPPAS: Den dikaioytai mia Kybernhsh poy kaqe Paraskeyh synedriazei kapoio organo ths, mia Paraskeyh, endexomenws, na mh synedriasei kybernhtiko organo; Den to epitrepete ayto, se mia Kybernhsh h opoia exei prwtoporhsei gia ta ellhnika dedomena kai exei deijei mia tetoia epimeleia kai tajh stis synedriaseis twn organwn ths, wste na dikaioytai dyo hmeres prin apo tis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges na efarmosei thn ejairesh aytoy toy kanona;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw ola ta epitrepw.

REPPAS: Ayto einai gnwsto se mena, edw kai arketo kairo, apo peira proswpikh. Ta epitrepete ola kai ta epitrepete, dystyxws, polles fores kai ston eayto sas. Ayto einai to laqos.

FASOYLAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei kapoio problhma me ton k. Solana; Qa erqei kanonika sthn Ellada, thn Paraskeyh, opws eixate anakoinwsei;

REPPAS: H episkech toy k. Solana anablhqhke. Den qa erqei sthn Ellada, thn Paraskeyh kai ej aytoy toy logoy den qa ginei kai h kat` arxhn programmatismenh synanthsh toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Opws epishs -ws ek perissoy to anaferw- den prokeitai na ginei h synergasia poy arxikws eprokeito na ginei stis Bryjelles me th symmetoxh ths kas Olmprait kai Ypoyrgwn apo tis alles xwres-melh toy NATO. Mia analogh synergasia qa labei xwra to Sabbato, opws fainetai, stis Bryjelles. Den einai gnwsto, ayth thn wra poy syzhtoyme, poioi qa laboyn meros s` ayth.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, kapoy akoysa xqes to brady, oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa paei sto eklogiko kentro ths kas Damanakh ayrio h meqayrio. Isxyei ayto;

REPPAS: Den yparxei tipota pros anakoinwsh ayth thn wra. Den exei allajei tipota se sxesh me to programma, to opoio sas exw anakoinwsei.

SOYRMELH: Exete kapoia antidrash meta thn apofash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias gia to Kossobo;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h qesh mas, opws exei anakoinwqei, paramenei h idia. Emeis mexri thn teleytaia stigmh qa epidiwjoyme na peisoyme gia thn orqothta twn qesewn mas. Exoyme epixeirhmata, wste na eyaisqhtopoihsoyme toys pantes, peri ths anagkhs na epidiwxqei politikh lysh sto problhma poy exei prokycei, me synennohsh kai dialogo. Den exoyme allh antidrash ayth thn wra, doqentos oti den exei oloklhrwqei o kyklos twn diaboyleysewn, prokeimenoy na apofasisei h Dieqnhs Koinothta pws qa xeiristei thn krish poy exei ekdhlwqei sto Kossyfopedio.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Gia to idio qema: Yparxei ena C-130 se epixeirhsiakh etoimothta gia na paei na ferei toys Ellhnes poy kaqontai sthn Pristina; Jerete kati, an exei dwsei tetoia entolh h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh den exei dwsei opoiadhpote entolh. Oi diplwmatikes arxes einai sth diaqesh twn Ellhnwn poy diabioyn ekei, prokeimenoy -an ekeinoi epiqymoyn na egkataleicoyn th xwra- na prosferei bohqeia s` ayth thn kateyqynsh. Einai kati omws, gia to opoio thn apofash prepei na laboyn oi idioi, oi amesws endiaferomenoi. H Kybernhsh den exei dwsei tetoia entolh. Emeis den epiqymoyme na dhmioyrghqei ena klima panikoy, na dwsoyme thn entypwsh oti eimaste sta proqyra mias kataigidas. Oi polites poy zoyn ekei, qa apofasisoyn gia to ti qa prajoyn. Oi diplwmatikes arxes einai konta toys, prokeimenoy na toys prosferoyn kaqe bohqeia.

SOYRMELH: Posoi einai;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw ton akribh ariqmo.

MELETHS: Exoyn zhthqei kapoies dieykolynseis apo to NATO gia to endexomeno stratiwtikhs epembashs;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei se sxetikes erwthseis tis prohgoymenes hmeres. Exw pei se poly genikes grammes -kai epanalambanw- oti h qesh mas paramenei ayth poy gnwrizete. Bebaiws, eimaste xwra-melos toy NATO. Qa antapokriqoyme stis ypoxrewseis mas, alla h epifylajh poy exoyme diatypwsei paramenei sto akeraio.

GARGALAKOS: H synanthsh anamesa ston Prwqypoyrgo kai ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas qa ejantlhqei mono sta qemata twn ejoplismwn h qa epektaqei kai ef` olhs ths ylhs; Gnwrizete;

REPPAS: H synanthsh poy qa exei o Prwqypoyrgos me ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas qa exei sxesh me ta qemata armodiothtas toy Ypoyrgoy Amynas. Kai bebaiws, panta s` aytes tis periptwseis, dinetai h eykairia stoys dyo politikoys andres na syzhthsoyn genikotera qemata.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Yparxei kati neotero sxetika me piqanh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me to Rwso Ypoyrgo Amynas;

REPPAS: Den problepetai tetoia synanthsh.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, enocei twn dhmotikwn kai nomarxiakwn eklogwn ths Kyriakhs, kybernhtika stelexh qa pane stis Perifereies poy to komma exei krinei oti kindyneyoyn na xasoyn tis edres h toys Dhmoys;

REPPAS: Ta kybernhtika stelexh einai kai kommatika stelexh. Exoyn th dynatothta na epikoinwnoyn me toys polites stis eklogikes perifereies poy eklegontai. Alla, bebaiws, h paroysia toys einai qema dikhs toys epiloghs, prwtistws, kai prepei na qewreitai dedomenh se diafores perioxes ths xwras. Kai epeidh milate gia kindynoys, prepei na pw se sxesh me ayto, oti eida shmera pali na ginetai qema -kai se kapoies periptwseis proballetai prwtoselida malista- mia apoch peri toy oti den qa kamfqei h Kybernhsh apo tis analyseis kai ermhneies twn eklogikwn apotelesmatwn. Ta idia akribws ta opoia shmera proballontai toso entona, meta th xqesinh mas syzhthsh edw, ta eixa pei kai proxqes, me tis idies sxedon lejeis. Alla, fainetai perasan aparathrhta thn prwth hmera h den yphrxe logos na problhqoyn xqes sta entypa, enw shmera proballontai, xwris na exei prokycei kati neo. Ara den exoyme mia eidhsh h opoia odhghse sthn anadeijh enos neoy qematos. Exoyme kapoio logo poy odhghse sthn anadeijh qematwn, ta opoia yfistantai poly prin kapoioi ta probaloyn me ton tropo me ton opoio ta probaloyn shmera. Ayto mono, ws parathrhsh.

KIAOS: Sygnwmh, mhpws exete didajei pote se sxoles dhmosiografias kai erxeste kai mas lete ayta ta pragmata;

REPPAS: Kaqoloy. Aplws kanw mia parathrhsh, thn opoia dikaioymai na kanw, gia thn ajiopistia ths enhmerwshs.

KIAOS: Apo kaq' edras parathrhsh pote qa grafoyme kai pote na mhn grafoyme; Pros Qeoy, dhladh, oyte o Dieyqynths mias efhmeridas den kanei tetoia parathrhsh. An sas enoxlei...

REPPAS: Diko sas qema einai pote qa grafete. An yparxei, k. Kiao, kapoios ej ymwn h opoios allos, o opoios mporei na isxyristei oti parenebhn se efhmerida, egw h opoios allos ek meroys moy, gia na ekdhlwsei enoxlhsh gia kati poy grafthke h gia kati poy eipwqhke h problhqhke h parenebhn se efhmerida gia na ypodeijw ti qema qa problhqei, ton prokalw na to pei dhmosiws. Den to ekana pote.

KIAOS: Allo pragma eipate twra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai allo pragma eipate prin.

REPPAS: Parakalw. Apo kei kai pera, ws koinos noys, kai oloi osoi eimaste edw exoyme ton koino noy, dierwtwmai pws ayto to opoio eipa proxqes den apotelei eidhsh -kai malista afoy to eipa gia prwth fora- kai ayto to opoio eipa xqes, poy einai idio me ayto poy eipa proxqes, apotelei shmera eidhsh. Exw edw ta praktika twn dyo hmerwn. Mporw na ta diabasw gia na deite oti einai panomoiotypa, ayta poy eipa xqes me ayta poy eipa proxqes. Loipon, apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, einai qema diko sas pws qa ta probalete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Allh fora na mas to epishmainete thn idia mera. Na mas lete "ayto na gracete, ayto na probalete".

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, eseis, epi toy qematos aytoy exete labei qesh kai malista eisaste kathgorhmatikos. Exete pei edw kai exei katagrafei oti "emeis grafoyme o, ti qeloyme". Bebaiws, grafete o, ti qelete. Asfalws grafete o, ti qelete, ayto omws prepei na to gnwrizei kai o ellhnikos laos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O, ti qeloyme, apo thn epikairothta. Entajei;

REPPAS: Gi` ayto fainetai h epikairothta einai pantote ayto to opoio einai "mpagiatiko", gia sas. Giati h epikairothta yphrxe apo th Deytera. Alla to anakalycate xqes. Einai h antilhch peri epikairothtas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati, den to eipate xqes;

REPPAS: Loipon, k. Kacampelh, exete to logo.

KACAMPELHS: Ti lete, k. Ypoyrge, gia th shmerinh apokalych, gia thn emplokh toy k. Lazaridh se agorapwlhsies oplikwn systhmatwn, paramones twn eklogwn;

REPPAS: Gia ola ayta ta qemata qa dwsei isxyres apanthseis o idios o k. Lazaridhs, o opoios paraxwrei synenteyjh Typoy ayth thn wra. Arkoymai mono na pw oti to ceydos kai oi sykofantikoi isxyrismoi poy xrhsimopoioyntai apo toys antipaloys toy k. Lazaridh, apodeiknyoyn thn adynamia toys na antiparateqoyn me ton k. Lazaridh, se epipedo politikoy programmatikoy logoy. Ayta ta fainomena den einai nea sthn Ellada. Ta exoyme janazhsei sto parelqon kai idiaiterws stis proeklogikes periodoys. Pisteyw oti den tima aytoys oi opoioi empneysthkan ena tetoio sxedio enantion toy k. Lazaridh, na diatypwnoyn tetoies kathgories, otan den antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia. Gia ola ayta ta qemata, o ellhnikos laos qa enhmerwqei apo ton amesa qigomeno kai endiaferomeno ypochfio Dhmarxo Qessalonikhs, ton k. Lazaridh, mesw ths synenteyjhs poy paraxwrei ayth thn wra.

KACAMPELHS: Qelete na peite oti oson afora thn Kybernhsh den yfistatai kanenos eidoys politiko qema;

REPPAS: Edwsa apanthsh prin kai hmoyn perissotero apo safhs kai kathgorhmatikos. Den mporoysa na ginw perissotero safhs.

FILHS: Ypo typo paraklhshs qetw thn erwthsh: Gia na mhn epanalhfqei kai ayrio o shmerinos dialogos, oti epanalambanoyme epanalhceis h kai anakalyptoyme gia deyterh hmera pragmata poy eipwqhkan thn prwth, den "petate" mia epishmansh poies einai oi shmerines epanalhceis, na tis jeroyme gia ayrio;

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh, qa to ekana eyxaristws an synebainan dyo pragmata: Prwton oti den diabazete to briefing, alla gnwrizw oti to diabazete, poly perissotero poy eiste kai parwn synhqws edw. Kai deyteron, an qewroysa oti den eiste arketa eyfyhs, wste na mh gnwrizete pws qa xrhsimopoihsete -gia na ikanopoihsete toys logoys poy sas odhgoyn sto na grafete, opws grafete- ayta ta opoia exete sth diaqesh sas gia na epityxete toys stoxoys poy epidiwkete. Epeidh, loipon, eiste ikanos na to kanete ayto, mporeite monos sas na epilegete ayto poy kaqe fora ejyphretei ayth thn epidiwjh sas. Den yparxei, loipon, kanenas logos na to kanw. An den synebaine kanena apo ayta ta dyo, qa mporoysa na to kanw gia na sas dieykolynw. Alla, den exete kan anagkh dieykolynshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mporeite na moy ferete to briefing ths Deyteras, poy lete th lejh "kamch" mesa;

REPPAS: Malista. Eyxaristw k. Stamatopoyle. To diabazw. Briefing, Deytera, 5 Oktwbrioy, selida 4, se sxetikh erwthsh toy k. Papaxrhstoy, metajy twn allwn o omilwn sthn apanthsh toy leei: "H Kybernhsh pantote ekfrazei ikanopoihsh otan ta apotelesmata, to eipa prin allwste, odhgoyn sthn epikrathsh syndyasmwn poy exoyn ena programma me proodeytiko prosanatolismo gia na antimetwpizoyn ta problhmata kaqe perioxhs. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, den kamptetai h Kybernhsh sthn prospaqeia ths ayth, epeidh kapoioi qa ermhneysoyn ena eklogiko apotelesma me enan tetoio tropo, o opoios, metajy twn allwn, qa ypodhlwnei kai amfisbhthsh ths Kybernhshs". Ayta apo to briefing ths Deyteras. Ta idia epanelaba xqes, opws peritrana apodeiknyoyn ta grapta keimena. Ayta loipon, ta qewrhsate xqes eidhsh, enw proxqes poy ta eixa pei gia prwth fora den ta qewrhsate eidhsh. Einai h epikairothta, poy leei o k. Stamatopoylos!

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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