Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-09-02

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 2 Septembrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Gnwrizete to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Aplws, qa sas enhmerwsw gia mia synanthsh poy exei shmera, stis 19.30, me thn ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs Basw Papandreoy. Qa syzhthsoyn qemata poy aforoyn th synergasia ston energeiako tomea Elladas-Italias kai sygkekrimena, th metafora fysikoy aerioy sth xwra mas. Den qa diarkesei poly h synanthsh. Qa ginoyn dhlwseis gyrw stis 19.45.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Oi dhlwseis qa einai gia to qema ayto;

REPPAS: Nai, gia to qema ayto. Einai mia eyxaristh ejelijh, h synergasia Elladas kai Italias ston energeiako tomea, gia thn promhqeia fysikoy aerioy, mesw agwgoy.

FASOYLAS: To koino anakoinwqen, opws apokalyptei toyrkokypriakh efhmerida xqes, Tzem-Ntenktas, htan en gnwsei twn Amerikanwn kai malista o Amerikanos presbhs sth Leykwsia apefyge na to katadikasei. Epishs, yparxoyn kai dhlwseis Amerikanwn diplwmatwn poy apofeygoyn epishs na to katadikasoyn. Qa hqela to sxolio ths Kybernhshs.

REPPAS: Den exoyme opoiadhpote plhroforia gia to an gnwrizan oi HPA ayto to anakoinwqen, prin doqei sth dhmosiothta. Den gnwrizoyme an eixan ypoch toys ayth thn prwtoboylia prin ekdhlwqei. Oson afora thn ejelijh ayth, mporw na epishmanw tis antidraseis ths Kinas, ths Gallias, xwrwn poy einai kai melh toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE. Asfalws, gnwrizoyme kai tis antidraseis allwn xwrwn. Ayto to opoio periorizomai na pw einai toyto: Einai dedomeno to plaisio kai h bash epi twn opoiwn qa prepei na anazhthqei lysh sto Kypriako problhma. Ayta den einai dynato na allajoyn. To plaisio ayto exei kaqoristei apo ton OHE kai malista me apofaseis, tis opoies exei labei se diaforetikes xronikes stigmes. Einai ena plaisio to opoio desmeyei th Dieqnh Koinothta kai prepei na ginei sebasto.

PAPAXRHSTOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxoyn dhmosiografikes plhrofories, symfwna me tis opoies oi HPA exoyn enoxlhqei apo thn amesh aporrich ths protashs Tzem-Ntenktas. Pws sxoliazete aytes tis plhrofories;

REPPAS: Gia thn anakoinwsh ayth kaname dhlwseis. Ekane dhlwseis o Proedros ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias k. Klhridhs, me tis opoies symfwnoyme apolytws. Ekanan dhlwseis kai alloi paragontes ths Kyproy. Den nomizw oti dikaiologeitai opoiadhpote enoxlhsh, an ontws yparxei enoxlhsh, opws lete sthn erwthsh sas, doqentos oti emeis yperaspizomaste thn politikh poy o OHE exei apofasisei. Kapoioi alloi, oi opoioi exoyn antiqeth politikh, qa prepei sto plaisio toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn na diatypwsoyn tis enstaseis toys, th diaforetikh toys apoch, prokeimenoy, me diafanh kai antikeimeniko tropo, na einai gnwsto ti akribws einai ayto to opoio epiqymoyn. Dioti, an apo th mia les oti endiaferesai na doqei lysh sto Kypriako problhma, me bash tis apofaseis toy OHE kai apo thn allh, sthn prajh, strefeis thn plath soy stis apofaseis toy OHE, den sebesai ayto ton idio ton Organismo h den sebesai tis xwres, oi opoies metexoyn se aytes tis diadikasies opoy apo koinoy apofasizontai qemata poy aforoyn to Kypriako, tote antilambaneste pws h stash ayth kaqe allo para mporei na qewrhqei epoikodomhtikh kai paragwgikh, prokeimenoy na yparjei proodos sto Kypriako.

* Elpizw shmera na katateqei to nomosxedio gia thn paroxh syndromhtikwn radiothleoptikwn yphresiwn.

FILHS: Xwris allages, ws exei;

REPPAS: Oi allages, oi opoies exoyn ginei apoteloyn proion dikhs mas ergasias kai synergasias me toys synarmodioys Ypoyrgoys. Prepei na pw oti epta Ypoyrgoi synypografoyn to nomosxedio ayto poy antimetwpizei to synolo twn qematwn twn syndromhtikwn radiothleoptikwn yphresiwn.

FILHS: Kai o k. Giannopoylos ypografei;

REPPAS: Metajy aytwn twn Ypoyrgwn einai kai o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs k. Giannopoylos kai alloi synadelfoi.

MIXAHL: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean h perifhmh prwtoboylia-idea ths Kybernhshs, gia thn gnwsth diatajh poy prokalese oles aytes tis antidraseis ton teleytaio kairo, perilambanetai sto nomosxedio to opoio eseis twra kataqetete -shmera, opws lete- sth Boylh;

REPPAS: To qema ayto ths diatajhs, to xeirizetai o k. Giannopoylos. Den perilambanetai h diatajh ayth sto ypo kataqesh nomosxedio. Einai ena qema to opoio o k. Giannopoylos exei apofasisei pws qa to xeiristei h Kybernhsh. Me thn eykairia ths erwthshs sas, sas lew oti to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs meleta ta stoixeia ta opoia prepei na labei ypoch toy gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma. Mporw, me aformh thn erwthsh sas, na sas pw oti kai sto galliko poiniko kwdika kai ston antistoixo germaniko yparxoyn synafeis diatajeis oi opoies antimetwpizoyn tetoioy eidoys yperboles h ektropes h paranomies. To arqro 187/A toy germanikoy poinikoy kwdika poy anaferetai sth dysfhmish kata proswpoy toy politikoy bioy. Einai sygkekrimenh h diatajh thn opoia mporw na sas anagnwsw, einai sth diaqesh sas. Epishs kai o gallikos poinikos kwdikas exei mia diatajh sto arqro 624 par.2, gia th "dhmosia diadosh mhnymatwn kata ths ajioprepeias". Ayta ta stoixeia, epeidh kai kapoia prohgoymenh hmera syzhthsame, an se alles xwres yparxoyn synafeis diatajeis, ta anaferw epikoyrikws, mia kai qesate kai pali ayto to qema. Alla sto sygkekrimeno nomosxedio den yparxei h diatajh ayth thn opoia -epanalambanw- xeirizetai o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs. Kai xeirizetai olh ayth thn ypoqesh kata tropo orqo.

FILHS: Anaferate oti yparxei ayth h diatajh toy germanikoy poinikoy kwdika poy afora ton politiko kosmo. O k. Giannopoylos omws eixe anaferqei se "kapoies gynaikes apo kapoies eparxiakes poleis" poy htan anagkaio na prostateytoyn apo ta M. M. E. poy tis diasyroyn. Na ypoqesoyme oti pame se perioristikh diatypwsh ths diatajhs, wste na afora mono thn prostasia toy politikoy kosmoy;

REPPAS: Na mhn ypoqesete tipota. Aplws, me aformh dikh sas erwthsh, brhka thn eykairia na anaferqw -mia kai exei teqei kai sto parelqon ayto to qema- se diatajeis oi opoies yparxoyn stoys nomoys, sto poiniko dikaio allwn xwrwn. Ola ayta to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs, to opoio, gnwrizete poly kala, parakoloyqei pws ejelissetai dieqnws h nomoqesia, h paragwgh nomwn, ta exei ypoch toy kai ta staqmizei.

MIXAHL: Mporeite na mas peite poia einai ta stoixeia ayta ejaitias twn opoiwn exoyn prokycei oles aytes oi prwtoboylies ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Poies prwtoboylies ennoeite; Den katalabainw.

MIXAHL: H idea-prwtoboylia peri qespishs tetoias diatajhs...

REPPAS: Ma, exoyme milhsei kat' epanalhch kai me leptomereies gi' ayto. Exete qesei kai eseis erwthmata. Me leptomereies exoyme syzhthsei gi' ayto to qema.

MIXAHL: Qa to epanaferw to erwthma, kaqe fora poy qa epanerxetai ayto to qema...

REPPAS: Ma, eseis to qetete to qema kai egw brhka thn eykairia na prosqesw kati akomh.

MIXAHL: Oso h Kybernhsh, den leei sygkekrimena gegonota ta opoia qewrei oti ejaitias twn opoiwn prokyptei ayto to opoio isxyrizeste, dhladh ejybrish dhmosiwn proswpwn h diapompeysh mesw metadoshs mhnymatwn, emeis ti na ypoqesoyme; Sygkekrimena gegonota mporeite na mas peite;

REPPAS: Na mhn kanete kamia ypoqesh. Gnwrizete pws exei ayto to qema, giati to exoyme syzhthsei kat' epanalhch.

KIAOS: Eipate oti, prwton, den perilambanetai sto diko sas nomosxedio kamia tetoia diatajh kai deyteron, to qema kai thn olh ypoqesh -opws eipate- th xeirizetai o k. Giannopoylos kai malista "kata tropo orqo". Mporeite na moy ejhghsete: Prwton, ti shmainei oti xeirizetai enas Ypoyrgos mia ypoqesh;

REPPAS: Shmainoyn ola ayta ta opoia eipa tis prohgoymenes hmeres, syzhtwntas gia to sygkekrimeno qema, otan eseis apoysiazate. Mhn epanelqoyme.

KIAOS: Oxi, epitrecte moy...

REPPAS: Kat' epanalhch kai me leptomereies syzhthsame gi' ayto to qema, epitrecte moy. Mexri thn prohgoymenh ebdomada syzhthsame polles hmeres ayto to qema.

KIAOS: Anejarthtws aytoy, epeidh lete twra -eseis men den exete diatajh, epanalambanw- "to qema to xeirizetai kai malista kata tropo orqo... ", paei na pei oti ap' th stigmh poy to xeirizetai enas Ypoyrgos, o k. Ypoyrgos ths Dikaiosynhs kai malista -epanalambanw- "kata tropo orqo" kata thn ekfrash sas, qa ferei th diatajh kai pote;

REPPAS: Poios sas eipe oti ayto einai to symperasma to opoio prokyptei;

KIAOS: Sas erwtw.

REPPAS: O orqos xeirismos egkeitai sto oti eqese ena qema gia geniko problhmatismo o k. Giannopoylos kai exei analabei thn prwtoboylia na xeiristei to qema ayto, afoy labei ypoch toy ola ta stoixeia ta opoia synqetoyn to qema. Kai s' ayth th fash eimaste twra.

KIAOS: Epitrecte moy, epeidh qelw na katalabw ti ginetai -den exw katalabei-...

REPPAS: Na bohqhsw na katalabete. Ti allo na kanw;

KIAOS:... kai epeidh taytoxronws anaferqhkate sto germaniko kwdika kai eipate gia th dysfhmish proswpwn toy politikoy bioy, ti sxesh exei me to xeirismo toy k. Giannopoyloy kai malista kata tropo orqo, to sygkekrimeno qema me to germaniko kwdika.

REPPAS: Egw den ta sysxetisa eyqews. Edwsa mia apanthsh poy perilambanei diafores protaseis: H mia protash anaferetai sto kaqestws poy isxyei se alles xwres. Se mia allh protash ekana mneia toy tropoy me ton opoio xeirizetai to qema o k. Giannopoylos...

KIAOS: Xqes, eipate oti den apasxolei thn Kybernhsh h epanafora ths "periybrisews Arxhs".

REPPAS: Ayto einai bebaio. Ayto, omws, to opoio epishs exoyme pei, einai oti to qema ayto ths sygkekrimenhs diatajhs apasxolei thn Kybernhsh kai paramenei pros meleth. Ti sxesh exei to ena me to allo; To qema to opoio mas apasxolei afora oloys toys sympolites mas.

FILHS: Toys politikoys apo o, ti katalabame.

REPPAS: Oxi, kanete laqos. H sygkekrimenh diatajh poy afora toys politikoys anaferetai ston poiniko nomo enos alloy kratoys. Mhn ta sysxetizete.

MIXAHL: Pws na mhn ta sysxetizoyme;

REPPAS: Einai ayqaireth h sysxetish.

MIXAHL: Giati;

REPPAS: Kanete laqos. Milame gia ta mhnymata, th drasthriothta h th leitoyrgia ekeinh h opoia mporei na apotelesei th bash h thn aitia parabiasewn. Ayto eipame, den eipame kati allo. Mhn to periorizete.

MIXAHL: Ma, einai safes oti periorizetai.

REPPAS: Aytos einai nomos alloy kratoys. Den einai ayth h dikh mas anafora. Oydepote emeis periorisame ton orizonta sta politika proswpa. Milhsame gia toys sympolites mas, milhsame gia thn ajioprepeia toys, milhsame gia to sebasmo ths proswpikothtas toys.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epitrecte moy, an egw metadwsw kapoio mhnyma me to opoio mporei na meiwnetai h dikh sas ajioprepeia, exete ola ta nomika opla...

REPPAS: Ayta ta anaptyjame sth syzhthsh poy kaname edw kai arketes hmeres.

MIXAHL: Me sygxwreite, exete ola ta nomika opla...

REPPAS: Exete kati kainoyrgio na rwthsete;

MIXAHL: To kainoyrgio poy qelw na rwthsw einai, giati ayth h epipleon ryqmish, th stigmh poy yparxei olo to nomiko kaqestws etoimo;

REPPAS: M' aresei poy sthn eisagwgh ths erwthshs sas eipate oti qa rwthsete kati kainoyrgio. Exete rwthsei akribws to idio thn prohgoymenh ebdomada.

MIXAHL: Kai qa synexisoyme mexris otoy na paroyme apanthseis. Paramenei ekei mia diafwnia.

REPPAS: Kai egw qa synexisw na parapempw s' ekeines tis apanthseis poy edwsa. Stis idies erwthseis antistoixoyn kai oi idies apanthseis. Den yparxoyn alles apanthseis.

FILHS: H erwthsh einai, epeidh anaferqhkate se mia paremferh, opws eipate, diatajh toy germanikoy poinikoy kwdika, an eseis ws politiko proswpo aisqaneste oti eiste anyperaspistos sthn katoxyrwsh ths ajioprepeias kai ths timhs sas apo to shmerino nomiko plaisio poy isxyei sthn Ellada.

REPPAS: Kanete mia ypoqesh. Mhn apeyqynete se emena ayto to erwthma, kai malista me proswpiko tono. Egw den niwqw pote anyperaspistos, an qelete thn apanthsh moy, me thn ennoia, oti opoia epiqesh ki an dexqw, opotedhpote ki an kapoios qewrei oti apeyqynomenos se mena, mporei na me kathgorhsei h na me kataggeilei, qa eisprajei apo mena mia poly eygenikh siwph. Einai ki ayta mesa ston tropo me ton opoio o kaqenas epilegei na xeirizetai ta qemata poy ton aforoyn.

MIXAHL: To nomosxedio to apogeyma qa to kataqesete;

REPPAS: Pisteyw entos ths hmeras.

Sas eyxaristw.

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